A new declaration of war: Justice for Hungary!

I had no intention of writing about Trianon today. The truth is that I had completely forgotten about the “Day of National Unity” until I began skimming the Hungarian media’s headlines this morning. Some of these headlines piqued my curiosity and prompted me to read further. What I found astounded me.

I assume that most people even vaguely familiar with the history of modern-day Hungary know that the Treaty of Trianon was the peace treaty between the by then independent Kingdom of Hungary and the Allied and Associated Powers. It was signed somewhat belatedly on June 4, 1920, almost two years after the end of World War I. The demand for a day of remembrance originally came from Jobbik, but it was promptly adopted by the new Orbán government.

My decision to read an assortment of articles on Trianon turned out to be wise because I found some real gems among them. From the interpretations there emerges a fascinating sociological and psychological portrait of the Fidesz regime. It’s not pretty, but it may help us to understand the thinking of Viktor Orbán’s propaganda machine. In light of the official government announcement by János Lázár, this particular Day of National Unity may be a turning point in the Orbán government’s handling of the Trianon issue.

The first problem is the false historical background these far-right, nationalistic authors present in their writings. The general thesis is that Hungary was the blameless victim of those nationalities that Hungary’s rulers allowed to settle in Hungary at various times over history. In their interpretation, the nationalities in pre-1918 Hungary had extensive rights, and their continued national existence was in no way threatened. In fact, it was the cursed liberalism of the Hungarian political elite that was responsible for the growing number of non-Hungarians at the expense of Hungarians. This statement, by the way, is erroneous.

In almost all these writings journalists and politicians portray present-day Hungary not terribly differently from the “victim” that was being torn apart by hostile neighbors in 1918-1919. At least one of the commentators, György Pilhál of Magyar Idők, who labels the members of the Little Entente hyenas, considers Hungary’s present neighbors just as antagonistic toward Hungarians as their people were 100 years ago. Hungary is still being besieged and unfairly treated, just as in the past.

Moreover, Pilhál continues, cataloging Hungarian woes, before Trianon there was the Mongol devastation in 1241, the Battle of Mohács in 1524 which signaled the beginning of 150 years of Ottoman rule, and the surrender at Világos in 1849 after a lost war of independence. Pilhál ends this greatly distorted historical summary with the following remarkable words: “Do you want to flood this mutilated, blood-soaked remainder of the homeland with migrants? No, No, Never!” Thus, the migrant question today is being elevated to the level of the most significant dates in Hungarian history. Just as Hungarians had to face the Mongols, the Turks, and the hostile Austrians and Russians, now if they don’t stand fast they might end up being victims of the onslaught of migrants, which would be the equivalent of a second Trianon.

György Pilhál’s son Tamás, who works as a journalist for Pesti Srácok, also wrote an opinion piece that in some ways is even more interesting than his father’s. He also has some harsh words for members of the Little Entente, but in his eyes the real perpetrators were the allies. “The West, with capital letters, cut our hands and feet and threw us among to-this-day antagonistic neighbors that had been fattened by our body parts.” These new neighbors hate the Hungarians because they know that they were conceived in sin and received their territories as a result of unforgivable injustice. Therefore, they don’t feel secure within their own borders. They are not really robbers or thieves, “they are only fencers of stolen goods.” The real criminals obviously are the western powers. “The West is Trianon itself. They have never apologized, they have never tried to rectify their sins and lessen the damage.”

How can Hungary regain its former position as a mid-sized power in Europe? Just as the historian of the Trianon Museum suggested, Hungarians must “repopulate the Carpathian Basin.” Well, he used a more amorous, untranslatable expression “szeressük vissza Magyarországot!” which more or less means getting Hungary back by love-making. This is not a very different formulation from the one Szilárd Németh, Fidesz vice-chairman, uttered a while back, according to which the world belongs to the nation that populates it. So, the only way of getting back Hungary’s former glory is through “the modification of the national scale.” And the horizon is not the “mock borders” of Trianon but at least the confines of the Carpathian Basin.

The third piece is by István Stefka. His ideas might strike readers as outright bizarre, but he fervently believes everything he says. It was about a week ago that I saw him on a television program where three other journalists, including a conservative one, tried to convince him in vain that his theories are untenable. He too sees a second Trianon coming through the activities of George Soros, who is “the Béla Kun, György Lukács, Oszkár Jászi, and Mihály Károlyi combined, who with his civic organizations wants to ruin the country.” Hungary 27 years ago regained its sovereignty, but “now not with weapons, but with scheming, lies, ignominy, hard financial influence, and paying off internal enemies” Soros and like-minded people want to take away Hungary’s mastery over its own affairs. If the Hungarian socialists and left-liberals don’t stand by the people and follow Soros and Co., “they can no longer be considered part of the nation.” In that case, they are also working toward the destruction of Hungary.

Let me now turn to a more official source: the second most important man in the Orbán government, János Lázár. In a speech yesterday he sent the following message to Brussels: “It’s time for our neighbors and the leaders of Europe to acknowledge and adjust their policies accordingly: the Hungarian nation is the victim of Trianon and not its originator and perpetrator.” It is unacceptable that the only thing the leaders of the neighboring countries can say is that it’s time for the Hungarians to get over their old grievances. “The Hungarian nation should receive if not material at least moral reparations for the greatest injustice in world history.” He added that “we don’t want any change of the borders and especially not ethnic tension … new wars in Europe … but that doesn’t mean that we will tolerate the provocations, the repeated violations of our national sensibility for another 100 years. Yes, we can say even now: “Justice for Hungary!” which was the cry for revision after 1929.

I strongly suspect that these new words were not born in the heat of a fiery nationalistic speech. The Orbán government seems to have decided to open another front in its war against Europe, this time for a reinterpretation of the Treaty of Trianon. This is a serious turn of events that may not bode well for peace in the region.

June 4, 2017
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Istvan
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American Hungarians were raised on the tragedy of Trianon in the 1950s and early 1960s. In some ways it was also an apology or explanation to American Hungarian children as to how Hungary joined the axis and declared war on the USA the country of our birth. The American Hungarian Federation effectively still argues along those lines, for example Frank Koszorus, Jr. in a response to an article in Foreign Policy magazine http://www.americanhungarianfederation.org/docs/AHF_Trianon_Traub_2015.pdf Of course totally missing from the AHF narrative is the fact that Henrik Werth, the General Chief of Staff of the Hungarian Army in WW II devised a plan that was in line with the Nazi ideology but with his own special twist.  All non-Magyar populations living in the territory of Greater Hungary would be resettled in the “liberated territories” of the former Soviet Union and provide living space for the Magyar people exclusively in his vision of Greater Hungary.  A racially pure Magyar nation: the hope and dream of Magyar nationalists for centuries would arise. The AHF much prefers to discuss Pal Teleki instead of Werth, its understandable but both are part of our history. Werth urged his government to prepare for the recovery of Transylvania… Read more »
dos929
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One may ask those ‘revisionists’ about the right of Hungary over neighbouring nationalities or about minorities within its own border, when the historical fact is that Hungarians are a nation of descendants of ‘migrants’ that got to this land by conquest, via murder, pillaging and the likes… How far one must go back into history in order to justify their political goals? These sickening Trianon inflicted people should realise that they are the very force that will destroy Hungarian society through their blindness, ignorance and arrogant false ideology…

The reality
Guest

Germanic and Celtic migratory people occupied their lands via murder, pillaging. Even Greeks and proto-Latins were aggressive migrants from Asia, just learn about their early history.

Slovak
Guest

Can you name a single ethnic group that did not conquer by force the territory it currently holds? Even in Iceland there was a small population of Irish monks before the Norsemen conquered them.

tappanch
Guest

I find it outright perverse that Horthy [and Orban] [re]erected an enormous statue of István Tisza next to the Parliament.

Tisza was the premier between 1913 and 1917. Hungary entered the war and lost it under his watch. The war resulted in the Trianon treaty.

Horthy [and Orban] continuously celebrate[d] the defeat to stay in power.

In Trumplish: “Bad. Perverse”

intrex
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Tisza vas murdered,by the GANG of the ‘Lenin boys’ from Moscow; Akai- Kun Bela member of the Hungarian parliament who was later hanged by the free Hungarian army for treason, cut with large sum of cash in Vienna .

Observer
Guest

Eva,

FCSake, don’t waist your prescious time on idiots, we can easily dust them off.

Guest

Lazar: “…we can say even now: “Justice for Hungary!”

War and justice have nothing to do with each other. He who declares war declares that he will not rely on justice but on military power. If he loses the war he cannot claim justice, he can only acquiesce to the decisions of the winner. Hungary declared war and lost. Unlike many othe European countries in the same situation Hungary will not post its loss and forget it.

Guest

The “good” side of this is that all this activity tells the EU and Hungary’s neighbour states that Fidesz is not to be trusted – talking about war etc all the time makes them appear like North Korea – crazy and dangerous in a way, just like the ISIS terrorists …

Member

That is ok. We do not trust EU and the neighbours either.

Guest

The why don’t you leave the EU and join Putin?
Oh, I forgot : We’re in it only for the money!

kazmer istvan
Guest

The Governement of Austrian- Hungarian state declared war, not the hungarian nation population! The austrian and czech ministers forwarded the war, Tisza, the hungarian prime minister tried cold down the emperor… Punish an entire nation is a collective punishment. The collective punishment is an inhumane, anti-democratic, fascist act. My family is victim of that. In the present. Many of members of my family had to flee because they had no future in Romania as hungarian…

Mayhem
Guest

Just because others sought the freedom that you denied them (but at a point in history you also sought it) that does not mean that your nation was collectively punished. Like it or not, you had plenty of time to divide your nation based on YOUR OWN terms. You wanted to keep it all, and you ended up even smaller than you could have been if you would have cast aside senseless ultra-nationalism and allowed common sense to rule your thoughts.

Slovak
Guest

This is true. Slovak politicians in 1861 proposed an autonomous region for Slovaks in northern Hungary and its borders were way more to the north than the borders of Vienna award in 1938, but Hungarians dismissed it and persecuted the creators of the idea. If they agreed back then, I think today that would be the border between Slovakia and Hungary.

Guest

Will these loonies never learn? Do they want their neighbour states to remmember Magyarisation and the following actiities under Horthy/Hitler?

And now for the fun part re getting Hungary back by love-making:
You probably all know that Hungary is the porn center of Europe – now if all that activity on screen would lead to producing babies Hungary would soon be filled with happy little children …
Maybe ask Mandy Bright for help, latefor?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandy_Bright

Member

And check this out: Hungary has won five of the 15 Female Foreign Performer of the Year awards. Talk about restoring national greatness!

Aleska Diamond beat out the competition twice. She went on to become a member of the morning show team at TV2, because that’s what we want our kiddos watching after cartoons are over.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVN_Award_for_Female_Foreign_Performer_of_the_Year

Observer
Guest

Kudos for the pun guys!

Gyurcsàny got it right – ” ebben a kurva orszàgban”.

Observer
Guest

Wolfi

Again, they don’t learn, they are too dumb or blinded by hatred to see the realities and finally here’s the tradition to shoot themselves in the foot or to commit suicide.

Yes it’s porn everywhere, just the real one is much better quality than the political one.

Melanie Zuben
Guest

Wolfi,
Are you promoting her site? How far would you go? The dirty old men in here must be getting bored with politics! Why don’t YOU send YOUR wife for a few lessons? Or
Maybe you can get her to read some of my books . . . plenty of ” lessons” there! 🙂

Guest

Little girl, you’re late for this as usual (pun intended) – we have sex twice a week, don’t need any help.
PS:
It’s you who always brings these things up – out of frustration maybe?
So please come back to the topic:
HUNGARY and all that is wrong with it right now – there are enough voices singing of Hungary the Greatest – or was it Greater Hungary? Well, who cares …

Melanie Zuben
Guest

Wolfi,
Why don’t you take a good look at me . . .starting wit FB. Do I look frustrated to you? 🙂

bimbi
Guest

The Orbán/Fidesz propaganda apparatus is like a mincing machine – you put in crap at the top and you get crap out at the bottom. These journalistic lackeys of the regime seem to be competing with each other in their description of imagined Victimhood of Hungary and in stupidity. Maybe Orbán will award the winner with some crazy Horthy-era knighthood for journalistic falsehood!

Hey, Fidesz knows how to fix Hungary. Just keep on a-stealing from the population, keep lying and keep getting re-elected and everything will be just fine.

More power to the Magyar Mincing Machine – Muck in, Muck out.

exTor
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This year the Trianon anniversary coincided with Pünkösd [Pentecost], which may be important given that (as I suspect) many Magyar revanchists are also fervent religionists, therefore the postTrianon wetdreamers may undoubtedly interpret the calendar coincidence as another sign from God. I doubt that most Hungarians are invested in the ramifications of Trianon, other than the occasional wistfulness of a “Wouldn’t it be nice if Hungary were as big as it used to be.” thought. As I understand it, the [June 4th] Day of National Unity is not yet a public holiday in Hungary, however its promulgation is another Fidesz tool usable to direct attention to itself. Fidesz feels beleaguered and it is not at all assured that it can win a two-thirds majority in 2018, although it is reasonably certain that it will form the government in some way. Re Éva’s link [https://youtu.be/EWHDA0MfwNE] two articles back, I spoke to the librarian who formerly worked in the building in front of which many people were being interviewed on their way in. Margit, the former librarian, surprised me by revealing that she is antiOrbán. I had always thought that she was proOrbán Viktor. Margit was very critical of the misguided opinions held… Read more »
Guest

Thank you Eva for the post. The link to Pihál Tamás article: http://pestisracok.hu/magyarorszag-tulelte-csonkolast-trianon-ledontheto-jegyzet/. Keep up the good job, congratulations. (A reader from Hungary)

aida
Guest

Thank you Eva for the latest round up of Trianon coverage.
My rather simplistic view is that if you feel you must enter, or even start, a war make sure you end up on the winning side. I have zero sympathy for whinging Hungarian Trianon bemoaners. Even after they were given the Trianon lesson in 1920 they refused to learn and made nuisances of themselves as well as a laughing stock in WW2.

kazmer istvan
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“Trianon lesson”? For whimin, small children and innocent and simple peoples? Do you know that your words are words of hate? Are you think really, that it’s good to punish a whole nation?! This is the thinking of nazi troops in WW2!

aida
Guest

Those who argue ceaselessly for the merits of the nation state and even those who do not will accept the shared fate of the citizenry. They share the benefits of economic success, provided these are not stolen by the oligarchs. By the same token they share the downside when a war is lost.
I wish I could relieve their suffering. Orban who is in a position to, simply exploits the situation and their suffering for his ends.
Do not anyone build false hopes. I have set out why I think that Trianon bemoaners will not achieve a reversal of the border adjustments. If Hungary had joined WW2 on the winning side and if it had not murdered our Jewish brothers and sisters, there may have been a case in Paris to take a second look at Trianon.

Guest

“Hungarians must repopulate the Carpathian Basin.” — Hungary cannot even keep its own population from shrinking…

Observer
Guest

Remember “1984” – freedom is slavery, add war is love, stealing is progress and living is truth (if you repeat it often enough).

Observer
Guest

Sorry. “Lying is truth”

wrfree
Guest

Irredentism looks to be on the march. Orban ‘kiraly’ apparently knows there’s much to mine with the dictum ‘Magyarorszag intact is the Divine Will’. That seems to never get old. Just saying it helps to deflate the ignominy of being dictated to at Trianon. Inspiration like this will perhaps keep the country going with ‘enemies’ around them and yet they should indeed be mindful of the history book.
Leaders should be careful for what they wish for when it comes to ethnic nationalism.

Years on from Trianon shows Europe in reversal in particular with two countries, Germany and Magyarorszag. Both were in a sense first prior to the dismemberment of their empires. Then one rose again from the ashes with its accomplices to punch back at Versailles and lose once more but yet altered itself to be a now great Euro democratic power who indeed has understood its ignominous past. And the other? The study of history has been lost. A trail perhaps begins back to the future of ‘small power imperialism’. As if Europe needs this now. VO et al have a great sense of timing.

Guest

Well, since our pugnacious war-mongering PM prefers to live in the past, I say we should return to the days of the Roman Empire, when not only Hungary, but most of present day Romania too were all ruled by Rome.

I think we should rally the Italian community of Budapest and, in the words of Lázár, “should receive if not material at least moral reparations!”

Love Italian food, and they buit some nice villas too.

Slovak
Guest
The current borders of Hungary were not outlined in 1920 but in 1947 in Paris (The Paris peace treaty). Slovakia gained 3 more villages near Bratislava populated mostly by the Croats back then. So Orbán needs to undone this treaty after Trianon. You may ask: since the Hungarians were not willing to grant the right of self-determination to the minorities 100 years ago, isnt there more justice now, that they have to live with the consequences of their actions? For every crime, there is a punishment. Not to mention, that nowadays Hungarians in Slovakia live in a free society, their political party is in the government, they have whole education system from kindergartens to university entirely in the Hungarian language, they dont even need to speak Slovak ever in their life. Compare it to the life of Slovaks 100 years ago, when my great-grandma was beaten with a stick in school for uttering a word in Slovak (the only language she knew btw.) Of course almost no-one in Hungary knows this. Btw., I am a radical democrat, a real minority, I dont mind the Hungarians in southern Slovakia seceding or joining Hungary or even Zimbabwe for that mater. But it… Read more »
Observer
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Many years ago new in Hungary I asked why it seems all neighbour a dislike or hate the Hungarians. Without denying the statement in my q. it was explained to me rather incredibly that the reason was the Hungarian cultural superiority, the envy in those peoples towards Hungary.

I learned the truth later.

The reality
Guest

Current borders of Hungary (and Eastern Europe) were designed by Stalin, Western European powers accepted every Soviet wishes, where the Soviet armed forces were present. It is a general consensus among all academic historians about the borders of the post WW2 communist satellite countries.

Slovak
Guest

So you think that Stalin was more powerful than Truman in may 1945 when the US was the only atomic superpower in the world? A truly revolutionary opinion. The borders are the results of many different actions and factors in play, Russia and the US being just the most important of them.

The reality
Guest

Yes, in the East Stalin was the only decision maker, the real overlord of the occupied territories. The West simply don’t care about that area, and don’t want an unnecessary conflict for a backward region after WW2.

Slovak
Guest

If you think this you should read some book about the Paris peace treaties of 1947 preferrably not by a Hungarian author.

Therality
Guest

Whats your problem with hungarian authors? All western academic historian will tell you. That only Stalin decisions was important in eastern Europe

Slovak
Guest

I have no problems with them, but I guess you read mainly Hungarian authors and considering your opinions I doubt their accuracy/honesty.

The reality
Guest

I suggest to read books about Paris peace Treaties (1947)
The American British and French politicians had not any influence in Eastern Europe. These region was considered as part of Soviet sphere of influence after the WW2. The total soviet supremacy over Eastern Europe was already settled in Jalta and Potsdam Conferences.

https://www.google.com/search?q=stalins+plan+borders&oq=stalins+plan+borders&aqs=chrome..69i57.11579j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=stalin++borders+%22paris+peace+treaties%22&tbm=bks

Slovak
Guest

No it was not settled. There were many political fights over the fate of eastern Europe after the war. Your knowledge of post-war history is rather sketchy. e.g. the communists didnt rule in Czechoslovakia until the coup of 1948 so in 1945 there was still some possibility of Finlandization. read Tony Judts postwar as an introduction.

kazmer istvan
Guest

Dear Slovak, the Hungarian Governement and the state don’t want change the borders. The current hungarian state should apologize for everything what happened in the past, and the slovak too. The hungarian and slovak society should accept that for a thousand years the two nations lived together in peace, their history and their country were common till the end of WW1.

Slovak
Guest

But they act like they do. They should talk frankly about the history and dont spread these myths to every generation of Hungarians. The Slovak chairman of the National Council František Mikloško has already apologized for the wrongs done by Slovaks to Hungarians. Havent seen the same move from the Hungarian side yet.

The reality
Guest

Wrong. All Hungarian PMs apologized for the wrongs done by Hungarians to other people. Slovakia is generally considered as “Ethnic democracy” by Western Social scientists and Observers

Observer
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irReality

Can you elaborate, which of the Hungarian PMs apologized ?
(Not Orban, for sure.)

Istvan
Guest
The reference by György Pilhál to the Mongol invasion of Hungary caused me to reflect on my grandfather of all things who told my father the story of the Mongol attack on Esztergom our family’s ancestral home town and its destruction which was related to me and is as far as I can tell reasonably accurate. Esztergom in 1241 was called Gran. The Mongols attacked Gran from what is now Slovakia following the outside curve of the Danube bend to reach the shore opposite Gran late in December. The river had frozen over, providing an ideal way of crossing, so Gran was fiercely attacked. Its defenders fought back bravely from the citadel overlooking the Danube where the cathedral now stands. The Mongols bombarded Gran’s wooden fortifications with 30 catapults to make a breach, and filled in the ditch using sacks of earth. When the city was entered on Christmas Day 1241 the inhabitants set fire to their own homes and supposedly buried their valuables so that the Mongols would not have them. Many people were roasted over slow fires to make them disclose where they had hidden their treasures. Being true Hungarians they preferred a painful death to giving up… Read more »
Guest

Thanks Istvan!
My sister’s husband is a real history buff, that story of yours might be a reason for him to visit Esztergom again.
The pity is that there probably aren’t any relics of the Mongols – except of course the “Mongolian spots” that some Hungarians seem to be so proud of. 🙂
Sorry for the bad joke – that just had to be!
It’s really unbelievable in a way how much time and energy were spent in those ages with invading other areas – when usually after some time you had to expect the next wave which might try to take you over. So many lives lost …
.We talked often about this and there was a consensus:
If someone got the extra title “The Great” he must have killed more than the usual share of innocent people – anyway they don’t count in the eyes of many, especially today’s Fidesz politicians, so we are back on topic.

Slovak
Guest

A small correction: Gran is the lower part of the town of esztergom where the river gran flows into the danube. The name is of celtic origin and a cognate with french river garonne. Emperor marcus aurelius stated in his philosophical monologues from the 2nd century that he is writing them on the banks of river gram so even the germanic markomans whom he was fighting used this name. Nitran slavs who came there around 500 AD inherited the name from seubes, the last occupants. Same goes for the hungarians around 900. Esztergom is originally the upper part of that town. The slavic word striegom meant a lurking place from slavic striegnuti – to lurk. In modern slovak its striehnuť and the towns name is ostrihom, cause the slavic g morphed into skovak h in thd 11th century. River gran is hron in modern slovak. The hungarians retained the pronunciation of the 10th century nitran slavs. Anyway its a great place for lurking, you can see far and wide from up there 🙂

wrfree
Guest

Nice to get a sense here of Gran’s past. Istvan’s post brings me back to walking around the ancient city and once again in my mind viewing various sites. One thing we can indubitably say of Magyarorszag is that more than not in history we can see she was always in the middle and thick of things.

Have to wonder about the irony though espousing a religion which endorses ‘turning the other cheek’ under the circumstances. But Magyar history which is alive today proves that they have a penchant for utilizing the ‘pugnaciousness’ they’ve obviously bitterly learned in the modern age. They’ve learned to perhaps bob and weave expertly to escape the punches and constantly use the jab.

The reality
Guest

You are wrong. Esztergom and Fehérvár had so-called “latinus” (Northern French) population during the ewign of the Árpád dynasty.

Slovak
Guest

can you provide any evidence for this? because all the sources I have encountered (including the western ones) stated that the whole pannonian romance population was slavicised before the 9th century. clearly the overwhelming presence of slavic toponyms in the northwestern hungary testify to this.

The reality
Guest

Wrong. “Latinus” (Romance speaker) population in medieval Hungary had not any link with the Romans. Latinus term in medieval Hungary means Western Frankish migrants in some bigger cities (Mostly from Normandy and present-day Belgium)

Slovak
Guest

well I am not writing about medieval Hungary, but about the 9th century pannonia, there was no hungarian state back then. but there were pannonian romance language speakers mainly in the area of Kesthely (Castellum) still living in the 6th century when the Nitran and Alpine Slavs started to slavicise them. do you get it?

The reality
Guest

Slovak is one of the youngest ethnonym in Europe, the “Slovak” term was born only in the early modern era. Without own ethnonym, we can’t even speak about identity or ethnicity. Slovaks were early modern mixture of immigrants: Czech hussites in the west, Polish immigrants from the north, Local Hungarians, Vlach settlers in Eastern Slovakia, German settlers and Rusyn people in the east.

Slovak
Guest

The term Slovakia for upper part of the Hungarian kingdom was first used in the Constance chronicle by Ulrich Richental from years 1414-1418. I can quote the exact text for you tomorrow when I get home, I have a Slovak edition there. Later Slovakia as a distand land of Slavic speaking people in Hungary was mentioned innumerous times by travelers visiting the kingdom. You are not taught these things in school, cause your elite wants you to claim our land which was settled by a Slavic-speaking population continuously from the beginning of the 6th century. Yes modern Slovaks are a mixture of different peoples, same as Hungarians. Check out the genetic map of Eurpe published on this very blog: http://hungarianspectrum.org/2015/05/03/genetic-map-of-europe-and-the-tisza-people-of-the-hungarian-great-plain/

Slovak
Guest

I meant distinct not distant.

Slovak
Guest

And concerning the ethnonym “Slovak”, it was first an exo-ethnonym (name that the Poles and Czechs gave us). Our endo-ethnonym (how we called ourselves) was “Sloven” from old Slavic “Slovienin”, hence slovak name of Slovakia – “Slovensko”. Later we adopted the exo-ethnonym as an endo-ethnonym. But the ethnonym is from the 11th century when the Hungarian kings conquered the Slovak territory from the Polish kings. And a small region of eastern Moravia that was ceded to Czech kings by Hungarian kings in the 12th century is still to this day called “Slovácko” and was called “Slovensko” by locals until the 19th century.

Observer
Guest

irReality

You don’t understand the basics of medieval history, there were no Slovaks, Czechs, French or Germans, etc. as we see these now. You could read something on 8-9th cen Moravia, etc.

The reality
Guest

Despite of propaganda, the Morvian Empire has noting to do with Slovaks.

Slovak
Guest

I wonder where do you get your nonsensical historical info from. Have you read a single book about the Moravian principality, or about the Slavs of the principality of Nitra, or about the Principality of Kocel around Balaton (from Slavic “balto” meaning “mud”)? Or about the foreign policy of pope John VIII? Or any book about the 9th century history? Name one book that you have read, I dare you.

Hank
Guest

Another factual history question: as far as I know, there were no great plains back in the 13th century. Most of the Alföld was densily wooded and/or swamp area back then, and what we now call the puszta (great empty space) was only created in the 16th and 17th centuries (the Turkish war campaigns and the various civil wars caused massive deforestation) and afterwards, when the first cattle heards roamed that space (18th century) and then large-scale irrigation works created agricultural lands (19th century). So no way the Mongols felt like it was just as back home.

Slovak
Guest

I am not sure about that. The Hungarian word puszta comes from slavic „pustá zem“ which means barren land or empty land. So when the old Magyars came there in the 9th century they adopted the original name from the Slavs and that means the land must have been somewhat barren, at least compared to the surrounding hills.

The reality
Guest

You are wrong again. Alföld was a forested area with a lot of lakes and marshland. Just watch the map about the pre 19th century Hungary: :comment image

Slovak
Guest

if you read my post carefully, I dont state that it was not forrested, I just say its unlikely, based on the name of the area. in fact, no-one can really know it, the 9th century being so far in time from us. but clearly you cannot argue that the hungarian word puszta doesnt come from slavic pustá. But if you prefer slavic loanwords in Hungarian that refer to water, there are some, too, like “patak” from old slavic “potok” – meaning stream, or the toponym “Tokaj” from “stokaj” – meaning confluence.

kazmer istvan
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Dear Slovak! The hungarian language integrated a lot of slav words. But it’s normal: the 1000-1500 years long period, when the hungarians lived together in peace with different slav language population changed the hungarians…

Slovak
Guest

Thats true. I have nothing against it. There are many Hungarian toponyms in Slovakia too. Every language has its history and its fascinating to uncover its mysteries.

Liviu Runcan
Guest

There is not healing in this, but is good to know that all the nations in this Central-Eastern area have similar feelings for one or another historical moments.Few years ago the dream of a higher integration in Europe and survival of the nations as mostly cultural entities was a hope. Not any more, the underground local nationalism is definitely too strong and becomes official politics.

aida
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Alas, you are right. The temptation to fight wars against people who have done you no harm is too great even at the expense of greater prosperity.

The idea of the restoration of pre Trianon borders has zero chance. It can never be achieved bilaterally without wars. Hungary winning any war? Hahaha.

No international treaty will ever be agreed to help an expansionist fascist and racist country.

On a practical point: how would the Hungarian administration cope with Transylvanian Romanian minority of 6 million and a Slovak minority of similar size?

The reality
Guest

Racist fascist country? Interestingly, Western European and American social scientists and many UN observers call Slovakia and often Romania and Serbia as “ethnic democracy”. However modern Hungary had never had such a degrading marker in the books of western sociology scholars.

aida
Guest

OK, without my uncomplimentary desciption, which country can you tell us would line up behind Hungary to scrap the Trianon/Paris borders? Not one NATO country would. That is the real point, not whether is running a racist, fascist mafia state, which he is.

Slovak
Guest

you can talk the talk but can you walk the walk? can you provide any evidence? because otherwise you sound just like another hungarian chauvinist.

Guest

Slovak, thanks for your insights!
You don’t have to try to engage with “The reality” – he’s a troll that appears here regularly and always does the same kind of “explaining”:
It’s all someone else’s fault!
Of course Hungary was always the first and the best country – that most of the respect that Hungary got until 1930/1940 was based on the success of the Jewish Hungarians he obviously doesn’t like to mention.
And of course Hungary was totally innocent and a victim – in WW1 as well as WW2 and of course during Communist times too …
So the troll’s name really shows what he’s not: living in the reality …

Slovak
Guest

well that is sad. i am for the open discussion and I dont mind talking to him. but if he just copy-pastes same texts whole day, thats a sad life I guess. I used to be a Slovak nationalist myself but not anymore. after studying history I know that Slovaks and Hungarians have much in common (mainly the genetics, its almost an exact match, together with Czechs and Austrians: http://www.eupedia.com/ ) but also a long era of cooperation during Arpád dynasty times, where almost all the kings were billingual Hungarian-Slovak. and there are nations that were persecuted much more severly than us, like the Jews or Armenians. I have many good friends who are Hungarians.

kazmer istvan
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“…Arpád dynasty times, where almost all the kings were billingual Hungarian-Slovak…” I can imagine, but some fact, please. I”m sure that they spoke well latin, german, maybe polish… They had strong relation with polish, german, czech, byzantian and kijevien rus dinastys. So the “strange” mothers could teach his own language. As i know, the “slovak” language separated later to independent…

Slovak
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The language of Nitran Slavs that occupied the territory of present-day Slovakia since the 6th century when the Suebes had migrated to the present-day Swabia was mutually intelligible with all Slavic speakers roughly until the 11th century. That is the same time when the Hungarian kings gradually conquered the Slovak territory from the Polish kings, ending cca 1100. So we can say that Slovak language was born in the 11th century, slowly changing fom the proto-Slavic of Great Moravia since the 10th century. When Nitran Slavs (christians) made an alliance with Saint king Stephen against the insurrection of Kopány and his pagans they gained strong political position in the state and afterwards a young prince usually was a duke of Nitra before becoming the king of Hungary. Saint Stephen was a duke of Nitra himself when he was young, hence the alliance. He was probably fluent in Slovak too. Nitra of course being a Slovak speaking court back then. Afterwards almost all of the Arpád dynasty kings had a Slavic language speaking mother and their fathers being billingual I imagine their parents speaking amongst themselves in Slovak. Some of the princes spent their chilhood on the court of Kievan Rus… Read more »
Slovak
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Ok a small mistake on my side, not most of them, but exactly 9 out of 24 kings of the Arpád dynasty had a mother from a Slavic speaking country. But the Slavic (more exactly Slovak) language was present and well understood on the court. Some kings had a Slovak name (Ladislaus) even if their mother was not form a Slavic speaking country.

The reality
Guest

Just type in google book searcher: “ethnic democracy”

You can found 1000 book results from Western scholars:

https://www.google.com/search?q=Slovakia+%22ethnic+democracy%22&oq=Slovakia+%22ethnic+democracy%22&aqs=chrome..69i57.7268j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=Slovakia+%22ethnic+democracy%22&tbm=bks

The most basic ingredient for a so called Ethnic democracy is a chauvinist society.

Slovak
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when I type Hungary “ethnic democracy” I get 17000 results. now how is that possible?

Therality
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You cant get such a results on google book searcher.

Slovak
Guest

thats right and you havent searched google books but google com. same as me

Therality
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I searched google books. Do not click on the link,but copy the whole url to the browser, and you will see

Ferenc
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Well I did, same results.
After selecting books: results as you stated (ca.1000 for Slovakia).
Then I changed Slovakia for Hungary (keeping the books search tab) and number of results went up to ca.1.700.
Overall Result:
Slovak – Thereality = 1 – 0

The reality
Guest

You can’t link a single concrete book from google books, which stated that Hungary was ethnic democracy. You can found only such books, which mention Serbia Slovakia Belorussia.

Slovak
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I dont care, whats really the point? Hungary is the same “ethnic democracy” as you call it, in fact a national state build to serve just one ethnic group, as Slovakia, Poland or any of your neighbors. Thats the way thiongs work in this region. We wont get to American level of civil liberties anytime soon. Hungarians just have one more disadvantage, their linguistic isolation, so its more difficult for them to follow western trends and Slovaks have at least the Czechs to follow.

Observer
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irReality

The Orban regime is a fascis one, you work out what does this make Hungary. This regime is “anti” against so many things and groups that it is “racist” by default.
No judgement re Rom or Serbia changes this.

aripke
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Sorry for the most of hungarians,they are normal people,but the politicians and some so called intelectuals are sovinists and iredentists,they are living in the past,they forgot the bad things caused to romanians and other nations,nothing but a bunch of scums.

The reality
Guest

Interestingly Serbia Slovakia and Romania were called as “ethnic democracy” by Western social scientists, which is a strong degrading marker. Hungary has never got such a degrading marker. How is it possible?

Observer
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Again,

The Orban regime is a fascist one, you work out what does this make Hungary. No comments about other countries changes this. Re the ” ethnic” I thing it is the Hungarians that are the loudest here, even the tobacco shops are “national”.

The reality
Guest

Again, you can’t found the ethnic democracy label about Hungary in the books of Western academic scholars. You can found that label only about Belarus, Slovakia and Serbia. Isn’t it interesting? Mabye because you (average Joe) know it better than the scholars….

Mayhem
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I just made a search by using ‘Hungary and ethnic democracy’ on Google books. Guess what?

https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=hungary+ethnic+democracy

34.300 results. Also, I do not know what dimwitted western scholars you point out (who can, since you cannot name a few), but whoever thinks that Hungary is not ethnocentric is deluded. In fact, Hungary is much more of an ethnocentric state since they make up 95% of the population, whereas Slovakia, Romania and Serbia are around the 80-85% mark.

vzir
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And may I ask, how did you come up with those percentages?

vzir
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The very expression “ethnic democracy” is nonsense. Eastern European countries have transplanted Western European models of nationhood.

Zoli
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Well Eva, got to hand it to you, they love you in Romania. Another Romanian chauvinist, who makes it is public bread and butter to vilify ethnic Hungarians has quoted you in an article in a major newspaper. It is at least the fourth time I have seen this. I said it before and say it again, with friends like you, us Hungarians most certainly don’t need any enemies.

The reality
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In July 1849, the Hungarian Revolutionary Parliament proclaimed and enacted the first laws on ethnic and minority rights in the world. It gave minorities the freedom to use their mothertongue at local administration, at tribunals, in schools, in community life and even within the national guard of non-Magyar councils. However these laws were overturned after the united Russian and Austrian armies crushed the Hungarian Revolution. After the Kingdom of Hungary reached the Compromise with the Habsburg Dynasty in 1867, one of the first acts of its restored Parliament was to pass a Law on Nationalities (Act Number XLIV of 1868). The situation of minorities in Hungary were much more better than in contemporary pre WW1 Europe. Other highly multiethnic /multinational countries were: France Russia and UK. See the multi-national UK: The situation of Scottish Irish Welsh people in “Britain” during the English hegemony is well known. They utmost forgot their original language, only english language cultural educational institutions existed. The only language was English in judiciary procedures and in offices and public administrations. It was not a real “United” Kingdom, it was rather a greater England. See the multiethnic France: In 1870, France was a similar-degree multi-ethnic state as Hungary,… Read more »
Guest

“What about newspapers of ethnic minorities in Western Europe? They did not exist in the West..”

They certainly did exist.

The Jewish Chronicle is a London-based Jewish weekly newspaper. Founded in 1841, it is the oldest continuously published Jewish newspaper in the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jewish_Chronicle

Hufvudstadsbladet, a Swedish language newspaper in Finland, was founded in 1864.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hufvudstadsbladet

A Nosa Terra was a Galician newspaper in Galician language, first founded in 1907 in A Coruña, Spain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Nosa_Terra

Flensborg Avis, a Danish language newspaper in Germany, was founded in 1869.

https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flensborg_Avis#Historie

Dolomiten, a German language newspaper in Italy, was founded in 1882.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolomiten

The reality
Guest

The Jewish Chronicle is an English language Newspaper, and not Hebrew, but we speak about the Irish Scottish and Welsh language newspapers. They were forbidden in UK, like their mother tongue in schools.

Nobody speak about Spain, but about UK France Germany.

” Danish language newspaper in Germany”

Slavic language newspapers for Sorbs and Poles were not allowed, only the “übermensch” germanic brother’s newspaper. Because slavonic people were second class people in Germany.

“Dolomiten, a German language newspaper” German was not an indigenous minority in Italy. IT was a newspaper for foreigners.

So Britain don’t allowed the Irish Scottish Welsh language in offices and media and schools. Germany don’t allowed Polish or Sorb langiage in offices and media and schools. France didn’t allowed its indigenous minority languages in offices and media and schools.

None of these countries had ethnic minority parties and fractions in their parliament.

This is the sad reality.

Slovak
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Looks like you live in a parallel universe. Slovaks were brutally opressed by the Hungarians in the 19th century, their high schools closed and the property stolen, their cultural institution Matica pillaged in 1875 and its funds from the grass-roots campaign used to deport Slovak children to the Hungarian territory to be magyarized (comment image ) There was not a single upper school with Slovak as a language of instruction in 1907 in the last phase of the magyarisation, although the Slovaks made up 9 percent of the pop. even according to falsified Hungarian censuses. The founder of Czechoslovakia, M.R. Štefánik writes in his memoirs that as a student he was held by out of the balcony by his Hungarian classmates and threatened to be pushed out and killed if he doesnt shout Éljen Kossuth. This is what your cultural people did to mine. If the Hungarians excelled in something in the 19th century, it was clearly the quenching of national minorities. This was jnown at that time throughout Europe thanks to Bjornstjerne Bjornson, Seton Watson and other western intellectuals.

The reality
Guest

Matica was considered as a puppet of Czarist panslavist propaganda.

In 1902 there were in Hungary 18,729 elementary schools with 32,020 teachers, attended by 2,573,377 pupils, figures which compare favourably with those of 1877, when there were 15,486 schools with 20,717 teachers, attended by 1,559,636 pupils. In about 61% of these schools the language used was exclusively Magyar”[64] E. Britannica 1911.

54% of the Kingdom population were Hungarian, but only 61% of the Schools were Hungarian schools.

In Western Europe, minorities had not own language schools, and they had not even parliamentary parties in Western European parliaments.

Slovak
Guest

Considered? By whom? Some Hungarian chauvinists?

And btw. I can copy-paste from the wikipedia page about the Magyarization too:

The Hungarian secondary school is like a huge machine, at one end of which the Slovak youths are thrown in by the hundreds, and at the other end of which they come out as Magyars.
— Béla Grünwald, adviser to Count Kálmán Tisza, Hungarian prime minister from 1875 to 1890[59][60]

Mayhem
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In 1892, indeed, there were plenty of Romanian elementary schools in Transylvanian, but only 4 high schools. For 3.2 million people, 4 high schools? Seriously? No professional schools, no colleges, not to mention a university in Romania. And you talk about minority rights? Based on what? The 1868 act? Well my friend, that act has pretty much been not applied from 1870 onwards. When Romania joined the Entente in 1916, guess what you did? Closed all Romanian schools and instituted a similar repressive policy as the ones against Jews. And you wonder why Romanians wanted to be part of Romania? It would take me days to point out them.

The reality
Guest
Trianon was against Wilson’s self-determination theory,because it WASN’T based on democratic referendums (general equal&secret ballots). It was not a wonder that Czech, Romanian and Serbian politicians PROTESTED against the very idea of democratic referendums about the borders. Czech politicians didn’t trust in Slovaks, because only very few Slovaks joined to the so-called “Czechoslovak”army against the Hungarians in 1919 (and Slovaks represented only 48% ratio in Northen parts of Hungary). Romanian politicians didn’t trust in Transylvanian Romanians, perhabs they didn’t want to join to backward & poor Romania (the ratio of romanians were only 53% in Transylvania). Serbs were small minority (22% !!!) in Voivodine. Similar to Romania, Serbia was also a very backward Orthodox country without serious urbanization or industrialization. It was not wonder that the USA and president Wilson did not signed this anti-democratic dictate. There were only one democratic referendum about the borders between Hungary and Austria: The Sopron area referendum in Western Hungary in 1921, where Entente officers were the leaders of the voting districts, there were general equal and secret ballots with electoral registers (or poll books) of the LOCAL residents, and every local citizen could take part in the elections over 18year, regardless the ethnicity,… Read more »
Mayhem
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1. Romanians did not protest against the democratic referendums. We held our plebiscite at Alba Iulia and Timisoara, and we allowed Hungarians to hold theirs at Cluj, szekelys at Tg. Mures, Saxons at Sibiu and Swabians at Timisoara. The result was overwhelmingly in the favor of the unification with Romania as Saxons, Swabians, Romanians voted for it, Szeklers abstained and Hungarians voted for unification with Hungary. 2. The 1910 census is recognized by the historian community as a fraud, as it took into consideration linguistic, not ethnic criteria. For example, Jews, as they usually were bilingual, were labeled Hungarian, although the Jewish population was estimated to be around 5%, they do not appear in the census. Furthermore, a small minority of Romanians were also bilingual (they either spoke Hungarian or German) and they were usually considered either German or Hungarian. The fact is that the 1919 census is the reliable one as it takes into consideration the ethnic criteria. And it shows that Romanians were around 58%. 3. The idea that Romanian politicians did not trust in Transylvania Romanians and that there was no support from the population to unify with Romania is bullshit. Over 100 thousand Romanians gathered at… Read more »
Botond
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It would be a great article IF … … a minority-law had been adopted by the Romanian legislature in 100 years, … the Mures county prefecture would not have closed in 2016 a Hungarian language school of the catholic church leaving hundreds of children without a core-institution of there future, just because in Targu Mures (134.290 inhabitans, 43% Hungarians/89.3% in the age of Trianon) it is forbidden to establish Hungarian-speaking schools (why? of course to cut down 89.3% even more, hopefully to zero). Oh, off course in the two hundred years old buildings of the catholic church was given to a Romanian language school. … a few days ago the Mures county prefecture would not ordered all bilingual street signs to be taken down because the law prohibits such things, … and so on. So dear Eva, you are very kind paying interest to Hungarian issues in the Carpathian Basin, but unfortunately you know very few things what really influences our lives here. This wouldn’t be a problem if the Romanian press doesn’t underline, based on your “brilliant” writing, that Hungary declared war on Romania. It’s spectacular, but it’s totally faulty. Do you really want facts: in the year of… Read more »
aida
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I am very sympathetic to the hardship of any minority population which suffers discrimination on account of its ethnicity. It would be helpful to consider to what extent the policies of successive Hungarian governments contribute to this hardship? Does the Orban Government have their interest as a priority or are they using the “Trianon” rhetoric to strengthen their domestic power base?

Zoli
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The kind of treatment described there, is true and precedes Orban. It is more or less what has been going on for almost 100 years.

aida
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Assuming you are right, what has the Orban government done to achieve improvements? I suspect their rhetoric which may resonate with their power base, rings alarm bells in Bucharest and for that matter probably in Bratislava.

Mayhem
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Like 95% of it is false or inflated bullshit from the same old Hungarian chauvinist rhetoric.

Guest

I remember reading that after WW1 the Germans in Transylvania voted with the Romanians to get away from Hungary – now why did they do that?
Because they loved the Romanians so much or because of the way they had been treated by Hungary?
And of course after 1989 everybody who could left for Germany (some were lucky to get away earlier) – I’ve often written about my friends German/Hungarian descent who came from Romania, very nice people and on their way back to their hometown they often stay with us for a night – or a week near the Balaton …

The reality
Guest

There were not democratic plebiscites in Hungary about the borders. So what are you talking about?

kazmer istvan
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The “proud, rich and civilized” Saxons believed that they could rule over the “poor and balkanian” Romanians. But the 800 year old saxon towns and villages became romanian and gypsy in the last 100 years. 250.000 germans to 12.000. In the “old-bad” Hungary they could stay rich and politically independent, but the “new-goog” Romania ousted them.

Adi
Guest

“I remember reading that after WW1 the Germans in Transylvania voted with the Romanians…”

I remember it wrong: there was no voting about leaving or staying.
That’s why it’s called the trianon dictate and that’s why it was unjust.

Guest

Adi, If you understand German:
Die Siebenbürger Sachsen begrüßten in der Mediascher Anschlusserklärung im Februar 1919 die in Alba Iulia gefassten Beschlüsse, in denen den Siebenbürger Sachsen umfangreiche Minderheitenrechte zugesichert wurden, und den Anschluss an Rumänien. Auf dem Sachsentag in Schäßburg wurden die Erwartungen an den neuen rumänischen Einheitsstaat formuliert, der diese jedoch weitgehend enttäuschte.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siebenb%C3%BCrgen
The Rumanians were of course as bad as the Hungarians in suppressing the Germans …
But all that was almost 100 years ago – and you Hungarian fascists are still whining about it! Get real – nobody else cares …

Adi
Guest

The Jews are still “whining” (as you put it) about the Holocaust, even though they have been compensated and got their country back.
I don’t see why we should subject ourselves to an obviously unjust decision.

Have you ever heard about double standards? You’ve just made a perfect example.

Ferenc
Guest

Hey, are you nuts?
Comparing Holocaust with ‘Hungary’s tragedy’ shows all too clearly your own double standars!

Guest

Life is unjust …
And there is a big difference:
Hungarians living in the states “cut away” from Greater Hungary were not killed – unlike the Jews.
But anyway you probably are just a troll – this blog is about what’s going on in today’s Hungary and how things will develop, so please stop the Trianon nonsense – it’s boring as hell!

Mayhem
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There was. Check for the Saxon plebiscite at Sibiu and for the Swabian one at Timisoara. You remember it wrong. Change the brain, it is rotten.

Mayhem
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Romania had not 1, but 3 minority laws in 100 years. The first was enacted with the 1923 Constitution. Back then it was one of the most liberal minority laws in the world. The second during the communist regime, and the third one in 1990, which was amended and expanded several times. The issues with the Hungarian school was due to a corruption case. The school was functioning illegally. Many Romanian schools were closed for the same reason, so I fail to see the discrimination. It is not forbidden to establish Hungarian schools. But establish them by respecting the law. Plenty of former Romanian-Hungarian mixed schools were transformed into purely Hungarian ones, with Romanian students having to either walk many miles to a Romanian only school or to move to another town or city to attend one. Nobody cared when such tragedies occurred. And they still do. In Szekelyfold there are cases where Romanian schools in villages were dismantled and Romanians either choose to abandon schools or to attend Hungarian ones. Yes, magyarization partly continues even today. There have been reports of Romanian families being paid by local RMDSZ politicians to send their kids to Hungarian schools instead of Romanian… Read more »
Mayhem
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The historical Romanian community in Hungary post-1920 numbered 80000 souls, a little bit including the billingual persons. Fast forward to 1990, the historical Romanian community was reduced to, 3500 people. Now it is around 25000 thanks to recent migration. Yep, a 90% downfall. And people blame Romanian for being ethnocentric. LOL

kazmer istvan
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Dear Eva Balogh, to living in Romania as hungarian it’s very heavy now. It’ worst and worst years to years. The romanian state, the lawmakers, the policemans, the authorized peoples do a lot for that. My family members can’t learn theirs mother tongue in elementary, primary and high schools, they have’nt university where they can make studys. Can you imagine it for example in Swiss, Belgium? The romanian stete should apologize for not the past, but for the recent!

Adrian
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Ferenc
Guest

Do you know that there is a Hungarian-American, who might seriously like to help you with your education problems? He’s recently portayed a lot in Hungarian public media. If you like you can contact him, or any of his organisations…

Adi
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(Magyarul írok, mivel groteszknek tartanám, hogy két magyar angolul írogasson egymásnak.) Kényelmetlen ilyen írásokat magyaroktól olvasni, nem csak azért mert ostobaság szerepel ostobaság hátán, hanem azért is, mert az empátia legcsekélyebb nyoma sem lelhető fel benne. Az írásra úgy találtam rá, hogy már románok is hivatkoztak erre (gondolom közben kértek egy kávét) és tényleg elhiszik, hogy a magyarok a trianoni tragédiát maguknak köszönhetik, valamint nem mint áldozatok, hanem mint elkövetők részesei (ez esetben kérnénk mindent vissza, hiszen az elkövető nem lehet azonos a károsulttal ugyebár) és hogy Erdély valaha valóban Románia része volt. A legnagyobb bűnösnek Antal Józsefet tartom, mivel a rendszerváltás után sosem lett volna szabad elismerni egyik környező műállamot sem (amely 3-ból 2 elég hamar szét is esett), ezzel legitimálva a trianoni döntést. Hiszen félreértés ne essék, csupán ekkor lett minden legitimálva és vált védhetetlenné a jogos (vissza)követelés, mivel mind az 1920-as, mind az 1945-ös lemondás legitimációja finoman szólva is megkérdőjelezhető. Mindezeket figyelembe véve tényleg siralmas, hogy még mindig vannak olyan magyarok (nagyon kevesen, de sajnos létezik még ez a kommunista időkből származó maradvány), akik egy oldalra helyezkednek a Magyarországot megnyomorítók szellemi örököseivel. Kedves Balogh Éva! Ha a számtalan butaság (ön szerint jogszerű volt a diktátum, ön szerint… Read more »
Guest

Aren’t there enough right wing Hungarian sites for you ?
Maybe you should apply at Magyar TV aka North Korean TV?

Adi
Guest

Németországból írsz?

Nálunk Magyarországon szólásszabadság van, oda írok ahová akarok 🙂

Observer
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Adi
“Magyarországon szólásszabadság van” (In Hun there’s freedom of speech)

Egy lóf.. van. (utter BS) bz a lying fidesznik:

The Orban regime controls 95% of the printed publications (copies).
Has turned the state media into a party mouthpiece.
Has closed, bought out or financially destroyed all but a couple of outlets broadcasting in Budapest only. The latest victims in 2016/17: Népszabadság, Figyelő, 12 regional papers, Origo.

Just as all fascist regimes do.

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Un ostas al lui Vlad Tepe
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Un ostas al lui Vlad Tepe
exTor
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It is disappointing that so many Hungarian Spectrum regulars are getting caught up answering/dealing with posts that are obvious troll bait. There is no need to answer nonEnglish posts written in Hungarian or Romanian.

These troll posts and responses clutter. As I write, there are 165 posts to this article, more than 3 times the normal response output. It is tedious having to deal with that kind of quantity, especially when responses produce skinny strings of letters.

I just gave all that shite a pass.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Guest

But if no one answers this also gives a wrong impression. A standard answer by one “master” would be enough: TROLL! 😉

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Solok Attila
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For all this reasons introduced by this Hungarian politicians, a good nationalist hungarian is a dead one.

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Justice for Romanian Vict
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Printre cele mai cunoscute şi bine documentate masacre: Masacrul din Treznea Masacrul din Ip Masacrul de la Ciumărna Masacrul din Moisei Masacrul de la Aita Seacă Masacrul de la Sărmaşu Masacrul de la Luduş Masacrul de la Hărcana (Turda) Masacrul de la Nuşfalău, Sălaj Masacre au avut loc şi în alte localităţi: Vișeu de Sus – Dosu Tăului, Cerişa, Marca, Breţcu, Mureşenii de Câmpie, Mihai Bravu, Zalău, Huedin, Belin, Zăbala, Halmăşd, Sântion, Cosniciu de Sus, Camăr, Aghireş, Sucutard, Ditrău, Suciu de Sus, Tărian, Prundu Bârgăului, Cătina, Răchitiş, Şincai, Turda, Ozd, Gădălin. Armata horthystă intrând într-un sat din Transilvania, septembrie 1940 Date generale şi premise ale acestor atrocităţi După Dictatul de la Viena, din 30 august1940, nord-vestul Transilvaniei a trecut sub jurisdicţia Ungariei. (Prin Ardeal sau Transilvania se subînţelege în tot articolul atât regiunea istorică Transilvania, cât şi provinciile Crişana şi Maramureş.) La începutul lui septembrie 1940, România a cedat Ungariei o suprafaţă de 43.492 km pătraţi, reprezentând jumătate din teritoriul Transilvaniei, cu o populaţie de 2.667.000 locuitori, dintre care:[2] 50,2% români 37,1% maghiari şi secui 12,7% germani, evrei şi alte naţionalităţi. Dictatul de la Viena – teritoriul cedat Ungariei Teritoriul ocupat de maghiari în timpul celui de-al doilea război mondial… Read more »
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I didn’t read all that cr*p by “reality” – it’s just a rehash of hateful statements that we’ve seen from the creature here and on politics.hu.

Just one remark:
It’s telling that the creature “thinks” that writing ugly stuff about the other nationalities around Hungary makes Hungary a better place – funny in a way but sad. On politics.hu there were several commenters with similar ideas and I often had fun reflecting their stupidities back at them.

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Crimele împotriva românilor se prescriu din oficiu și se lasă uitării… Crimele împotriva românilor se prescriu din oficiu și se lasă uitării… 15 septembrie 2016 de Ion Coja Doctrină naţionalistă , Textele altora 3 comentarii Masacre în Transilvania de Nord, 1940-1944 Masacrele din Transilvania de Nord, 1940-1944 au fost comise de unităţi militare ale Ungariei horthyste sau de trupe paramilitare româneşti[1] împotriva populaţiei civile. Cuprins 1 Cadru istoric general 2 Date generale şi premise ale acestor atrocităţi 3 Masacrele împotriva populaţiei româneşti din toamna anului 1940 3.1 Nuşfalău, 8 septembrie 1940 3.2 Treznea, 9 septembrie 1940 3.3 Ip, 13/14 septembrie 1940 3.4 Cerişa, 15 septembrie 1940 3.5 Marca, 15-16 septembrie 1940 3.6 Breţcu, 16 septembrie 1940 3.7 Mureşenii de Câmpie, 20 septembrie 1940 3.8 Cronologia altor masacre 4 Masacrele împotriva populaţiei româneşti din toamna anului 1944 4.1 Band, Grebeniş, Oroiu, septembrie 1944 4.2 Sărmaşu, 15 septembrie 1944 4.3 Tărian, 29 septembrie 1944 4.4 Prundu Bârgăului, 10 octombrie 1944 4.5 Moisei, 14 octombrie 1944 4.6 Cronologia altor masacre 5 Urmările masacrelor din Transilvania de Nord 5.1 Date oficiale privind abuzurile comise de autorităţile horthyste 5.2 Membri participanţi 5.3 Reacţiile maghiarilor faţă de atrocităţile comise sub ocupaţia horthystă 6 Bibliografie 7 Note… Read more »
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Omule or fi fost – nu zic nu. Dar daca o luam iar de la Burebista si Arpad nu ajungem nicaieri. Mai bine lasa trecutul si ocupa-te de prezent. Mai bine ne-am intreba cum sa facem sa ne fie tuturor ( romani, unguri sau ce-om fi noi) mai bine acum.

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Acesti criminali de razboi nu au fost judecati si sunt omagiati!!

Li se fac statui si li se dau nume de strazi!!!

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Tratatul de la Trianon a fost inaintea acestor genocide nerecunoscute!

Voi sunteti cei care se intorc in trecut contestind tratatul din 1920!!!

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Care “noi” ? The very message of this post was that Hungary’s political leaders from Orbi’s FIDESZ are wrong in their nationalistic, provocative and revanchist approach to Trianon. Flood the post with your cut and paste irrelevant info and you will only make the message less keen.

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EXCLUSIV. Criminalul de război Wass Albert omagiat în două orașe din Covasna cu primari UDMR EXCLUSIV. Criminalul de război Wass Albert omagiat în două orașe din Covasna cu primari UDMR February 27, 2014 • Wass Albert • Views: 809 Share on Facebook0 Share on Twitter0 0 WhatsApp0 E-mail0 Criminalul de război Wass Albert Criminalul de război Wass Albert Potrivit cotidianului de limbă maghiară Haromszek (apare în Covasna), criminalul de război Wass Albert a fost omagiat în data de 1 februarie a.c. în Sala Elisabeta din municipiul Târgu Secuiesc, în care primar este UDMR-istul Bokor Tibor (detalii aici). Vezi și EXCLUSIV. Evreii din România se opun comemorării FASCISTULUI József Nyirö la Gheorgheni. ”…s-a pronunțat în favoarea scoaterii evreilor din viața socială a Ungariei…”. PARCHETUL GENERAL solicitat să intervină! În data de 24 februarie a.c. criminalul de război Wass Albert a fost omagiat și în municipiul Sfântu Gheorghe, în care primar este UDMR-istul Antal Arpad Andras. De această dată omagierea criminalului de război a avut loc în incinta Casei cu Arcade din Sfântu Gheorghe, instituție publică de cultură aflată în subordinea Primăriei Sfântu Gheorghe (detalii aici). Vezi și EXCLUSIV. E OFICIAL: Guvernul Victor Ponta își asumă ÎN INSTITUȚII PUBLICE cultul scriitorului fascist… Read more »
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UDMR a folosit numele lui Albert Wass, CRIMINAL DE RĂZBOI, PENTRU O STRADĂ din Târgul Secuiesc. Attila Korodi i-a luat apărarea celui CONDAMNAT DE JUSTIŢIE: „Este publicat în toată lumea”

http://evz.ro/udmr-a-folosit-numele-lui-albert-wass-criminal-de-razboi.html

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by BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/monitoring/media_reports/1764036.stm Hungary honours ‘war crimes’ generals Hungarian priests celebrating a mass for the fallen A special service was held in memory of fallen soldiers A memorial to two Hungarian generals executed after World War II on war crimes charges has been unveiled in the capital, Budapest. Justice Minister Ibolya David laid a wreath at the memorial for Gusztav Jany and Ferenc Szombathelyi in the grounds of the Military History Museum. Jany was the commander of the Second Hungarian Army Corps, which fought on the German side on the Russian front. Detail from a memorial plaque A memorial plaque remembers the executed generals After 1945, the Budapest People’s Court sentenced Jany to death as a war criminal and he was executed on 26 November 1947. Jany was rehabilitated after the fall of communism, when in October 1993 the Hungarian Supreme Court annulled the earlier ruling. The second general, Ferenc Szombathelyi, was the Hungarian chief of general staff between 1941 and 1944. After the war he was sentenced to life imprisonment, extradited to Yugoslavia and executed there as a war criminal on 5 November 1946. Szombathelyi has also been rehabilitated in Hungary since the end of the communist era. The… Read more »
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Cronologia altor masacre În satul bihorean Mihai Bravu seria atrocităţilor împotriva etnicilor români a început la 7 septembrie1940. Până în acea zi, nordul judeţului Bihor a fost ocupat complet de armata ungară. În localitate, 22 de ţărani români, printre care şi doi copii, au fost adunaţi pe câmp şi împuşcaţi de soldaţi unguri.[5] La 8 septembrie1940, în satul Ciumărna din judeţul Sălaj, trupele ungare au ucis 11 persoane, în timpul înaintării lor spre partea centrală Ardealului de Nord.[7] La 9 septembrie1940, la Zalău, soldaţi maghiari rămaşi neidentificaţi au intrat în casele românilor Grigore Vicaş şi Gheorghe Prunea, unde i-au împuşcat mortal, împreună cu soţia şi fratele lui Vicaş, precum şi pe soţia lui Prunea, însărcinată în ultima lună. În colţul casei lui Vicaş, aceiaşi soldaţi l-au mai ucis pe Nicolae Pop, ţăran din Treznea care venise cu lapte la Zalău. Numărul victimelor a fost de 27.[11] 10 septembrie1940: la Huedin, trupele ungare, în marşul spre Cluj, i-au maltratat şi omorât pe protopopul ortodox Aurel Munteanu şi pe poliţistul Gheorghe Nicula.[6] La 13/14 septembrie 1940, în comunele Belin şi Zăbala din judeţul Trei Scaune, astăzi Covasna, trupele ungare sosite în aceste localităţi au atacat şi vandalizat casele românilor, oamenii fiind bătuţi… Read more »
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“Men between 16 and 55 were assigned for slave labor, women 18-45. The method used was an idea born of devilish minds: Late in the evening, gendarmes would appear at those selected and delivered the expulsion order, which was dated for the following morning. A truck would stop in front of the house and whatever fit on the truck was taken, with the family members, to the boxcars waiting at the nearest railway station. Their estate left behind, real and movable, was confiscated by the state. The already stressed families were then faced by several days’ travel in the unheated boxcars. Arriving at their destination, the Czech farmers would circle the wagons and, as in a slave market, chose those families with the most members able to work.”

Czechoslovakia: Barbarian Slave-market after WW2 in Central Europe which was supported by the law… Thank you president Benes…..

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And Hungarians packed all those Jews into railway cars meant for the transport of cattles and sent them to where?
And then they diveded their belongings among themselves – knowing that the people would not return.
Thanky you, Admiral Horthy!

PS:
I promised myself no more answers to our “reality” but here I just could not resist. However if the creature continues its idiocies I’m all for banning it!

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Wrong. The Wehrmacht occupied Hungarian puppet state was forced to send the Jewish Hungarians to German-established labour camps. Czechslovakia (Benes) did the slave-markets legal even after the horrors of WW2, and nobody forced them to did it so.

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Hitler hated President Beneš, you sound like a raw Nazi.

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Stalin and Benes were personally the “best friends”, So you are a communist according to your logic. Benes even gave up the independence and democracy of his country after WW2, to do his ethnic cleansing accepted as puppet of the Eastern Block. He knew that the democtratic capitalist West wouldn’t accept such deeds.

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You’re a fantastic example of the biggest Hungarian crazyness!
It’s always someone else’s fault!
I didn’t want to take my Jewish neighbour’s valuables and move into his house – Hitler made me do it …
How many millions of Hungarians used this kind of logic?

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Well at least they survived (and most of them returned from the Czech lands after few years). Tell it to the Slovaks killed by Hungarians during the occupation of southern Slovakia after the Vienna award and to those Slovaks killed by Hungarian army in the march of 1939 when you tried to conquer the rest of Slovakia before being stopped by Hitler. And NOT A SINGLE ONE of your politicians apologized for this, while Slovak chairman of the National council apologized for the deportations.

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Wrong. Slovakia was invented by Hitler. Hungarians didn’t want to occupy of all slovakia, only parts where Hungarians were the majority. Even the Western powers accepted that before WW2. Hungarian army didn’t killed any civilians. Partizans and CZ armymen are not considered civilians by international law. They restored even the Eastern Slovak language the Slovjak, because the newly created artificially united Slovak official language was forced in the region, and we restored the Rusyn language (because of former forced Slovakization)

Nobody will appologize for fantasy events, which was invented by some chauvinist screwballs.

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Yes they wanted and they tried to. Come here and tell the relatives of those killed by Hungarian forces during the small war that their loved ones havent died. Tell it to their haces. I can show you the graves of civillians killed by Hungarian bombardment in Spisska Nova Ves in March 1939, I go there often, my in-laws are from there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak%E2%80%93Hungarian_War Or tell the relatives of people shot by the hungarian police in Šurany after the christmas mass of 1938 just for singing the Slovak anthem that there was no shooting there: https://sk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stre%C4%BEba_v_%C5%A0uranoch Your alternative reality crumbles when met by THE REALITY. My great-grandfather was not Czech, but he had to flee Košice in 1938 hidden in hay on a wain, because all Czechoslovak cops were sought and killed by Horthys killers. You even dont know your basics and mix apples with oranges: Slovjaks were a project of Hungarian government invented for destabilising Eastern SLovakia, but in 1918-1920, NOT in the thirties. Can you speak SLovak that you know the difference between the various dialects? Newly created language? Official Slovak was codified in 1843 by Štúr and orthography was reformed in 1852 by Hattala and ever since its… Read more »
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Tratatul este un document foarte detaliat și greu de rezumat aici, dar esența sa este următoarea: Ungaria, țară învinsă în Marele Război, revenea la granițele sale etnice, adică recunoștea – silită de puterile aliate și asociate (Anglia, Franța, SUA, Italia, Japonia și multe altele) – că o mare parte din fostele sale „provincii istorice”, cu majorități altele decât cea maghiară, aveau să facă parte din Croația, Cehoslovacia, România, Austria. Prin urmare, Transilvania, Banatul, Crișana și Maramureșul deveneau din punctul de vedere al dreptului internațional părți integrante ale României, așa cum hotărâseră românii înșiși, în mod democratic, la 18 noiembrie/ 1 decembrie 1918, la Alba Iulia. Prin urmare, Tratatul de la Trianon, din 4 iunie 1920, ca de altminteri tot sistemul de tratate de la Paris, din anii 1919-1920, nu a făcut decât să recunoască justețea deciziilor luate de românii înșiși. Conferința de pace de la Paris a fixat noua hartă a Europei valabilă, în multe privințe, până astăzi și reprezintă prima decizie din istorie a marilor puteri, care au ținut seamă, în mare măsură, de voința popoarelor (polonez, ceh, slovac, român, sârb, croat, sloven, lituanian, leton, eston), consfințind și destrămarea imperiilor multinaționale (german, austro-ungar, rusesc, otoman). Pentru România, Trianonul a… Read more »
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Tipuri de națiuni în Europa Care sunt elementele constitutive ale unei națiuni? Limba, o credință religioasă, o populație, un spațiu comun, o cultură, sângele, atașamentul față de anumite valori? Și în teoretizarea națiunilor sunt mai multe interpretări. Unii consideră națiunile drept alcătuiri politice statale recente, formate prin voința deliberată a oamenilor. Pentru aceștia, statul se confundă cu națiunea. Alți exegeți văd evoluția îndelungată a comunităților etnice până la stadiul de națiune, adică privesc națiunile ca unități organice, născute de-a lungul secolelor, începând cu Evul Mediu sau chiar cu Antichitatea, și bazate pe limba, originea, credința, obiceiurile, tradițiile comune. Primul set de opinii invocate fac parte din viziunea modernistă, care consideră națiunile drept realități limitate și temporare, aflate acum pe cale de disoluție, într-o lume globală. Celălalt set de teorii se bazează pe primordialism sau perenialism, susținând că na­țiunile s-au născut dincolo de voința unor indivizi și că au o existență îndelungată, care nu poate fi decisă de organele statelor sau de cele suprastatale. De exemplu, Franța este prototipul sta­tului-națiune, în care toți locuitorii care au documente oficiale de francezi sunt consi­derați „de naționalitate franceză”. Cu alte cuvinte, aici cetă­țenia și națio­nalitatea se confundă. În multe alte locuri de pe pământ,… Read more »
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n toamna anului 1940, ca urmare a dictatului de la Viena, în mai multe localităţi din Ardealul de Nord realipit la Ungaria, trupe militare sau paramilitare maghiare au masacrat civili români, ţigani şi evrei, în intenţia de a determina prin teroare un exod din populaţiile conlocuitoare nemaghiare. Atrocităţi similare au avut loc şi spre sfârşitul anului 1944, îndeosebi pe fundalul stării de beligeranţă în care frontul de est s-a mişcat relativ rapid în direcţia est-vest pe linia care traversa teritoriul Ardealului de Nord, mai ales după 23 august 1944, când România a ieşit din coaliţia Puterilor Axei şi s-a alăturat Puterilor Aliate. Printre cele mai cunoscute şi bine documentate masacre: Masacrul din Treznea Masacrul din Ip Masacrul de la Ciumărna Masacrul din Moisei Masacrul de la Aita Seacă Masacrul de la Sărmaşu Masacrul de la Luduş Masacrul de la Hărcana (Turda) Masacrul de la Nuşfalău, Sălaj Masacre au avut loc şi în alte localităţi: Vișeu de Sus – Dosu Tăului, Cerişa, Marca, Breţcu, Mureşenii de Câmpie, Mihai Bravu, Zalău, Huedin, Belin, Zăbala, Halmăşd, Sântion, Cosniciu de Sus, Camăr, Aghireş, Sucutard, Ditrău, Suciu de Sus, Tărian, Prundu Bârgăului, Cătina, Răchitiş, Şincai, Turda, Ozd, Gădălin. Armata horthystă intrând într-un sat din Transilvania,… Read more »
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Locotenentul Csordás a trimis în casa preotului Bujor o patrulă de 12 soldaţi înarmaţi cu ordinul precis de a-l extermina împreună cu toată familia, precum şi cu cei arestaţi în aceeaşi după amiază: cantorul Ioan Gurzău şi soţia Valeria, învăţătorul Gheorghe Petrea împreună cu soţia Natalia, fiica Rodica în vârstă de 5 ani şi soacra Ana Miron. Soldaţii trimişi i-au împuşcat pe toţi cei prezenţi în casa parohială – şi anume pe membrii familiei Bujor – în camerele de culcare, iar pe ceilalţi prin curte. Aceeaşi soartă a avut-o şi servitoarea preotului, Şarolta Juhász, de etnie maghiară. Victimele, în număr de 11, au fost îngropate în aceeaşi noapte în curtea casei. S-a dovedit apoi în faţa Tribunalului Poporului că masacrul a fost comis la îndemnul contelui Albert Wass, care îl ura pe părintele Bujor din cauza unui teren de vânătoare şi pentru că vedea în el un român naţionalist. Cronologia altor masacre În satul bihorean Mihai Bravu seria atrocităţilor împotriva etnicilor români a început la 7 septembrie1940. Până în acea zi, nordul judeţului Bihor a fost ocupat complet de armata ungară. În localitate, 22 de ţărani români, printre care şi doi copii, au fost adunaţi pe câmp şi împuşcaţi de… Read more »
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Masacrele împotriva populaţiei româneşti din toamna anului 1944 Seria crimelor împotriva populaţiei româneşti din Transilvania ocupată a fost reluată în toamna anului 1944, imediat după ce România a încheiat armistiţiu cu Aliaţii. Atrocităţi au fost săvârşite şi în câteva localităţi din partea de Ardeal care aparţinea României, acele aşezări aflându-se în imediata apropiere a graniţei. Band, Grebeniş, Oroiu, septembrie 1944 Imediat după armistiţiul României cu Aliaţii, localnici etnici maghiari înarmaţi, în colaborare cu grănicerii de la pichetul ungar din comuna Band, judeţul Mureş, au atacat prin surprindere frontiera română şi l-au omorât pe sergentul Predescu. Zeci de români din satul Mărăşeşti au fost ridicaţi din casele lor şi închişi, cu cătuşe la mâini, într-o pivniţă, iar gospodăriile le-au fost vandalizate. Trecând apoi frontiera, aceiaşi făptaşi au jefuit comuna Grebeniş, unde au împuşcat trei localnici şi i-au ridicat pe românii care nu apucaseră să se refugieze. Ducându-i până la graniţă, maghiarii i-au umilit, silindu-i să sărute pietrele de hotar şi să mulţumească că au ajuns pe „teritoriul sfânt al Ungariei”. Alţi doi români din satul Oroiu au fost bătuţi şi ulterior ucişi.[16] Sărmaşu, 15 septembrie 1944 Articol principal: Masacrul de la Sărmaşu. Cimitirul de pe dealul Suscut de la marginea comunei… Read more »
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Urmările masacrelor din Transilvania de Nord După ocuparea Ardealului de Nord în toamna anului 1940, pentru populaţia românească a început unul dintre cele mai întunecate capitole ale istoriei recente. La acţiunile de răzbunare ale unor maghiari naţionalişti ardeleni împotriva românilor s-au adăugat abuzurile militare, măsurile poliţieneşti de teroare impuse de noile autorităţi, arestări ilegale, execuţii sumare şi aroganţa agresivă a reprezentanţilor noilor structuri administrative. În cursul unor acţiuni de depistare erau vizaţi, în primul rînd, etnicii români consideraţi naţionalişti, în primul rând preoţi şi învăţători. Aceştia au devenit victimele unor cetăţeni maghiari zeloşi, ale trupelor ungare şi ale unor formaţiuni paramilitare: au fost batjocoriţi, torturaţi şi unii linşaţi.[25] Date oficiale privind abuzurile comise de autorităţile horthyste Într-un raport statistic al Secretariatului de stat pentru naţionalităţi, din Bucureşti, privind situaţia din Ardealul de Nord în perioada 30 august1940 – 1 noiembrie1941, sunt menţionate 919 omoruri, 1.126 schingiuri, 4.126 bătăi, 15.893 arestări, 124 profanări, 78 respectiv 447 devastări colective şi individuale.[25] Conform unui articol de William Totok apărut la data de 02.09.2003 în revista Observator Cultural, intitulat Febra răsăriteană a reabilitărilor. Cazul Albert Wass La câteva zile de la instalare, autorităţile de ocupaţie au început deportarea românilor în lagăre. Potrivit unui raport… Read more »
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This is an English language blog. I cannot read your language. If you want to make your points please do so in English, but keep them brief and to the point. If you do not then Dr Balogh will stop you contributing and then you points will not be seen.

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