The agony of Hungarian football

The “humiliating defeat” of the Hungarian national football team by the amateur players from the tiny Principality of Andorra has prompted a nationwide uproar. One might retort that football is just a game and there is no guarantee that teams considered to be inferior always lose and the better ones always win. Why all the fuss? Perhaps the best answer came from Bence Jávor, sportswriter for Index, who, in connection with the Andorra-Hungary 1-0 game said that “at the moment the greatest problem with Hungarian football is that it is not really about football.” Viktor Orbán made the game a vehicle for the much coveted national greatness. An incredible amount of money and effort has gone into the sport since 2010 without any improvement in the quality of the players.

Hungarian football and Viktor Orbán exist in a symbiotic relationship. The defeat in Andorra is a defeat for Viktor Orbán and his vision. Last summer when during the European Football Championship games Hungary scored a couple of victories, Orbán obviously believed that his strategy of making Hungarian football great again was working. Those who are aware of the depth of the problems, however, knew from the start that all the billions of forints spent on the sport had been in vain.

The government media has been circumspect. Origo, for example, tried to minimize the defeat by publishing a long article listing all the horrible Hungarian losses suffered in games with inferior opponents, starting with the Olympic Games in Paris in 1924. Government propaganda outlets must be careful. One doesn’t joke around when it comes to football. After all, that is Viktor Orbán’s domain.

Thus, it is mostly the opposition papers’ sportswriters who offer penetrating analyses of the state of Hungarian football. Index pointed out that while last year, after the two Hungarian wins against Austria and Portugal, Orbán immediately posted on his Facebook page “Na, ugye” (You see), claiming that his strategy had worked, this time he was silent. Not a word about the fact that Hungary hasn’t won one game yet in the preliminaries to the World Championship, to be held in Russia. This defeat is also Orbán’s defeat. As Bence Jávor said in his Index article, “In Hungary, football is a sector of the national economy, even a nation-forming sector which, as a result of the exclusively divine political will, is able to return the lost confidence of our people so they can continue to rise again because their talented children in the stadiums will enforce at last the much deserved appreciation of the world.” But there is a wide chasm between Orbán’s imagined role of the sport and reality, which despite all efforts cannot be closed.

In Népszava Iván Hegyi, formerly sportswriter at Népszabadság, wrote an excellent article titled “Magyar Dwarfs in Lilliput.” He points out that the “cheap propaganda” that can be read in government papers’ sport sections or in such papers as Nemzeti Sport, the favorite newspaper of Viktor Orbán, only matches the level of Hungarian football. In the last few years pro-government oligarchs have poured 190 billion tax-free forints into football clubs and into Orbán’s very own Puskás Academy in Felcsút. The Orbán government has spent 400 billion forints on building stadiums. As Hegyi says, “almost 600 billion forints for practically nothing.” That is a sizable amount of money: 2.2 billion dollars more or less down the drain. Some “experts” even tried to “analyze” what happened but, as Hegyi puts it, “this kind of analysis is made only in Humbugistan.” This is where Orbán’s vision of football as a “strategic sector” has led. To Humbugistan.

Another article that created quite a controversy appeared in HVG. It bore the title “[András] Hont: Na ugye.” This is a take-off on Viktor Orbán’s by now infamous bragging last summer after a couple of wins during the European Football Championship. “You see? Didn’t I tell you? It was worth it!” All that in two short words. But now Hont says to Orbán, “Na, ugye.” It means, didn’t we tell you, Viktor Orbán, that all the money you’ve been pouring into football has been a total waste? All that money that was given to football instead of to education and healthcare.

But what really upset the Hungarian right was Hont’s devastating words on the Hungarian football hooligans who accompanied the national team to Andorra. As usual, they wreaked havoc when they were ready to remove the players’ shirts because “they didn’t deserve to wear their uniforms.” Even though Hungary’s defeat in Andorra was described in the media as “shameful,” “what we really ought to be ashamed of is that from time to time we let a few hundred unhinged Neanderthals with Nazi tattoos invade Marseilles, go to Lisbon to attack gays or to Bucharest to make a racket. They should be left somewhere where no-go zones or zoos should be built to accommodate them.” The following video will give you an idea about the behavior of the Hungarian “fans.”

Well, the members of the “Carpathian Brigade,” who created the upheaval in Andorra, were not happy with Hont, whom they kept calling “Andráska.” Even Magyar Idők felt that it had to weigh in on the issue. Although the article quoted Hont’s exact words on the tattooed Nazis, it still accused Hont of a lack of patriotism. “What kind of man is it who is happy when his country loses and sad when it wins?” This is the level of “government journalism” in Hungary nowadays. Despite the fact that Hont said not a word about being happy that the Hungarians lost.

What do we know about Viktor Orbán’s reaction to the Andorra fiasco? The little journalists managed to get out of him was the following: “We have the same leadership at the head of the Hungarian Football Association that was able to find the appropriate answer after the devastating 8-1 loss suffered at the Hungarian-Dutch game. Now we must all trust that President Sándor Csányi and his team will make a wise decision after proper deliberation.” This leads me to believe that Viktor Orbán is still incapable of realizing that his strategy has totally failed, that everything he has done has been for naught.

I’m also sure that today he regrets the words he uttered only a few days before the disastrous performance in Andorra. “Hungarian football is doing much better today because we have football academies. The system of academies is the greatest value in Hungarian football. We must preserve and strengthen it. This is what we have learned in the last ten years. This is what we are good at…. In brief, I think that if we stabilize the system of academies we will have world-class Hungarian football.” We are indeed in Humbugistan.

June 12, 2017
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Tappanch
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Dear Eva, there were no ” couple” of victories for Hungary at the 2016 Euro cup. There was a single victory against Austria, two draws (Iceland and a nice 3-3 against Portugal), followed by 0-4 defeat from Belgium.

Member

The strange thing was, Hungarian fans (in Budapest, at least) celebrated the 2016 ties against Iceland and Portugal AS IF they had been victories. In most other countries, the mood would have been rather dour.

aida
Guest

Alex, this is not how it works. Hungarian football has underperformed in the context of its history. The results were comparatively good and rightly regarded as success. It will never match the stars of the great team.

Member

That argument seems similar to the one advanced by Fidesz educational experts: Hungary does poorly on the PISA tests, therefore Hungarian students should be measured by a different standard.

When my son has a fever, I wish Hungary would leave the Celsius system of measuring temperature. That way, he would no longer be sick.

Damn good thing I don’t have any kids.

A win is a success. A tie is not. Perhaps Hungary could wish for a system in which a tie will win the World Cup. As you say, this is not how it works.

aida
Guest

When you get a draw against a team which should win on form that is a good result. The supporters will see it as straws in the wind.
Of course you are right that the aim should be to be the best. But the best is the best and the rest are second best and worse. That is how it works in football.
Health provision, education and housing are not a sport played to entertain fans. Hungary should do much better in every area you look at. Whether it can without radical changes is another question. The final question is whether it can implement radical changes and even if it does, will it make any difference?

Member

I think, the last four losses of the National Team with a 0:9 goal deficit (Sweden 2:0, Portugal 3:0, Russia 3:0, Andorra 1:0) puts a reflection on the quality of the Hungarian society and mainly the work ethics and degree of mental and monetary corruption.

Zoran Sztevanovity sings it well in his song; “It is good this way too”
“We learned about the wins,
That participation is more important,
Loosing also pays, and
The winner becomes much more tired.”

Mészáros Lölő, Rogán, Andy Vajna and Habony exemplify the total lack of morals and the most corrupt business models in Hungary.

In any country, where the so called Government corrupts completely the political system, the economy, the education, the arts, the sports and everything else, occasional success depends solely on luck, but failure is guaranteed.

Observer
Guest

Amen.

petofi
Guest

Precisely, Gyula.
You covered all the bases nicely.
Hungarians? No grit.
(In the American movie, the title, “True Grit” was entitled “Egy Szemu”, which means “One Eye”. It never occured to the translator to use, “Igazi Batorsag”.)

Observer
Guest

This is about the Orbán touch, as opposed to the Midas one everything Orbán touches turns brown, very softv and …

wrfree
Guest
Mr. Javor: ‘….at the moment the greatest problem with Hungarian football is that it is not really about football’. That the puts the labda in the old onion bag! Worth a hat trick in defining the malaise of Magyar futbol sport. VO I think might want to take a page from the Germans. Took them years to know they weren’t doing the things to advance their program where finally it all came together to win a World Cup and raise the stature of the German game. Everything to do it came from concentrated hearts and minds attending to the task. Not by the blabbering mouth. And they won because of tons and tons of great effort through cooperation. Many years ago I had the opportunity to receive a letter from a former professional player who was director at one of the most famous and well known football academies in Europe. Nothing was ever about ‘winning’ but emphasizing the tasks which need to be done in developing young players so that they could achieve. Perhaps others in a particular football program do not realize ‘it’s a long way to Tipperary’ when lip-service is paid to grandiose football dreams. At the last… Read more »
Wondercat
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“The following video” — no link in your post that I can identify.

Husky
Guest

Meanwhile my youngest child’s year are begging us parents for a huf91,000 photocopier.

Member

Never mind try stopping Brussels, Fidesz fascists….try something a bit more realistic, try stopping Andorra!

If anything, club football is in an even worse state- in the latest ranking for the 2017/2018 ranking the Hungarian champs BP Honved are regarded by UEFA on the same level as those other giants of European soccer, Liechtenstein!

The Fat Dictator has Mussolini Syndrome with regards his football dream- go for the grandiose, short-term, spectaculars without thinking about spending the time and thought on building up the grassroots. Why? Because the grassroots is organic and cant be controlled. Schools have been startved of financial resources in terms of playing facilities. Only those very few boys clubs with ties to the local regime hooligan scum get any help.

Well done, Mad Vik. Hungarian football certainly wasnt in good shape before your regime stole power. But you have taken it to a whole new depth… defeat to Andorra while multi-billion stadiums built with stolen taxpayers lie empty. The perfect metaphor for your regime.

Guest

600 billion HUF spent just for Orbán’s crazy hobby – what is that as a percentage of Hungarian GDP?
It must be a new world record – even real dictators didn’t spend as much on their lunacies …
PS and OT:
I never was a fan of soccer – even when in 1954 Germany won the world cup against Hungary I was reading a book while everybody else was in the neighbour’s living room watching their tv. We didn’t have a tv (yet). Those were the days!
And nowadays watching some millionaires (at least in most of Europe) play seems so ridiculous to me…

The reality
Guest

Even German players admitted they used WW2 drugs in the Word Cup.

Ferenc
Guest

re-illity: you’re still using those?

Guest

Even German players admitted they used WW2 drugs in the Word Cup.
And what drug are you using in your kind of reality?
And I always thought it was Soros who had paid Puskas (who was a German btw – his birth name was Purzelt or something like that) to make the proud Hungarians lose – that’s why Puskas, fearing for his life, had to flee to Spain to be protected by Franco …

aida
Guest

Wrong Wolfi, wrong. Puskas together with the National team were not in Hungary in October/November 1956. Some of the players, including Puskas decided to continue their careers outside Hungary. They received a 12 month FIFA ban, why I do not know.

He played for Real Madrid and became one of the best of their players in History. Kocsis played for Barcelona. Grosics and Bozsik returned to Hungary.

Franco, or threats to his life have nothing to do with what happened. I watched him play at Highbury and he scored the only goal. His performance was just as it had been when I last watched him in 1955/56 in the Nepstadion.

Guest

Aida, you didn’t get that joke about Soros it seems …

Anyway the facts speak for themselves:
1) Puskas was of German descent
2) He had a successful career outside Hungary after 1954 – 1956 and the trouble in Hungary doesn’t matter here …

Ferenc
Guest

Re Puskas in 1956
Recently found some 1956 newspapers, in a small item was news about rumours that Puskas, fighting as a major in the Hungarian army, was killed around 1956 October 25.
In a later edition, end of October, it was reported that those rumours were not true and Puskas was alive and kicking in Budapest.

aida
Guest

That is very interesting. He may well have been there at the time of the articles etc, but they left, I thought to head for Australia.
The 1956 Summer Olympics just as the Suez crisis coincided with the Hungarian Revolution, more or less.

The Hungarian National Football team qualified for the Olympic Football Competition, but together with a number of other National teams it did not show up. The competition was won by the Soviet Union with Yugoslavia second. I do not now recall why they failed to arrive in Melbourne. For example the Waterpolo team did and they played a blood soaked match against the SU.

Member

How did the boots get on the table?

Ferenc
Guest
Guest

You made my day!
Traveling along the Balaton a few days ago we saw too many of these billboards and my wife tried to calculate how much these cost the Hungarian taxpayer, i e her and her family.
No wonder verybody is trying to avoid taxes, the black market is really alive – no AfA!

The reality
Guest
Guest

Everybody in sports uses drugs – the Russians were “good” examples of doping! Now were the Hungarians not clever enough to get drugs or what?

PS:
And what drugs did the Andorrans use to win against the Mighty Magyars?

Istvan
Guest

Well Wolfi we do know that the Banca Privada d’Andorra has been heavily involved in laundering money for organized crime groups involved in the drug trade. See http://www.fcpablog.com/blog/2015/3/13/fincen-andorra-bankers-took-bribes-to-launder-money-for-chin.html So all things are possible.

If one looks at the European remaining European tiny nation states, many serve a purpose as tax havens, and money laundering operations along with being quaint. Of course the same applies to some island nation states in the Caribbean, or the pacific with Samoa, the Marshall Islands, the Cook Islands and Vanuatu being the largest centers, but there are also small niche offshore financial centers in the region, such as Nauru and the Federated States of Micronesia.

Guest
Istvan, it’s a sad fact of life that many banks, small and big, are involved in money laundering – from the Vatican bank to the Deutsche Bank and the Swiss banks are well known too. I did some IT-consulting in Zürich and Basel many years ago (well paid …) and people there knew and acknowledged that it didn’t really matter wher the customers’ money came from … I’ve heard and read many stories about Germans driving to Switzerland and back being checked by customs people who found hundreds of thousands Franks/€s/$s. Someone told me how the customs people operate: They look at flashy cars, their inhabitants and their luggage – when there’s no real luggage they get suspicious: Maybe this was just a day trip? What for? Switzerland has become very expensive – 40 years agoit was cheap (not only chocolate, gas and tobacco – all Italian food…) and we would go there for shopping, but now? So they ask and when people get nervous … In Andorra it’s similar for the French and the Spaniards – they get checked often, when I traveled there they let me pass even with my beard and long hair! 🙂 But I see… Read more »
Istvan
Guest

Actually Wolfi Andorra has a better financed youth football program than Hungary, its corrupt banks support several clubs too. Here is a link to one such program run during the summer https://www.ertheo.com/en-us/camp-rialp-andorra.htm#div_info_general

There are 8 semipro teams in tiny Andorra and they all have sponsors.

petofi
Guest

Oh stop it, Istvan. Why are you always defending moronic Hungarians?

All you need to beat the Hungarian soccer team is an unsoiled pair of underwear…

Istvan
Guest

Petofi you are aware that the Andorra’s dismal record gives them a lowly reputation in world football as does Hungary’s football record for many years. Andorra’s national team has only won two competitive fixtures, World Cup qualifying games against Macedonia in 2004 and now Hungary in 2017, both by 1–0; and three friendly games against Belarus and Albania at home and San Marino away, all of them by 2–0.

But explaing that Andorra uses some corruption money for football just like Orban does hardly constitutes a defense of the Hungarian national football team. Neither Andorra nor Hungary would likely hold up well against team USA, and we are hardly a soccer supporting nation, with real massive corporate investment in it. The 1-1 draw with Mexico in the Azteca Stadium this week with the entire coutry of Mexico hoping for a victory against USA especially because of the election of Trump was without question a big acthivement for team USA in World Cup qualifying. By the way Trump did not even tweet about it, really who cares here in the US about soccer, certainly not many Trump supporters.

wrfree
Guest

Maybe the sports fellows could follow Lincoln on the way to ‘win’.

Seems his best military general was a winner yet there were those who had ‘proof’ he was not and then threw in he was a drunkard.

The witty Lincoln then suggested then to please find out the whiskey brand he was drinking. VO now might be more attentive to know which kind of ‘palinka’ his sports generals are drinking. Results shown look to be in the proof of the ‘brand.

Joe Simon
Guest

Hungarian football has not yet recovered from the heavy handed mismanagement of the sport by the Communist regime in the fifties. Great clubs with tradition and patina were nationalized changing their names to Vörös Lobogó, etc. The roots were eroded, the foundation destroyed.
Even sport institutions are like living things. Orbán realized this and tries his best to bring back the glory of the golden team.

Member

How to be a Fidesz apologist:

If something goes right: Orbán’s a genius

If something goes wrong: it’s the Commies’ fault

Rinse and repeat.

wrfree
Guest

Re: ‘Orban realized this and tries his best to bring the glory of the golden team’

The glory of the golden team was won by a set of the coming together of particular individuals at a particular point in time. It was a very unique situation considering the repressive environment.

VO’s exhortations of bringing back the glorious football past is a virtuous goal. But his Magyarorszag though has moved on itself through time with different individuals, priorities and of course politics. It is difficult to see lightning striking twice under the current circumstances considering the state of lax cooperation, obsequiousness and a virtual top down view of government and institutions. How to get ‘greatness’ within this setup arguably is outside comprehension.

Member

“Hungarian football has not yet recovered from the heavy handed mismanagement of the sport by the Communist regime in the fifties”

Ferencvaros competed in the group stages in the late 90s, Debrecen and Zala competed well in the CL in the early 2000s, so bang goes that theory. Orban is not the only reason to blame for the joke that is Hungarian football but his building of mega-stadiums (filled by 2,000 at most) and his employment of football hooligan gangs as the Fidesz personal thug army has directly led to the same that was Andorra.

wrfree
Guest

Re: ‘hooligan gangs’

Right away that gives away the notion anything good can come when punk violence from a ‘Praetorian Guard’ is a calling card. Come to think of it though that raises an ‘Emperor’ but not the gladiators in the arena.

petofi
Guest

‘football hooligans’–Hungary’s cheap version of the nazi brown shits. Why buy shirts?

Member

It is not that complicated and there are no valid excuse for this kind of failures.

Pancho Pushkash
Guest

In the words of Thomas Jefferson (and Lajos Kossuth too): that is absolute bullshit. Hungarian football will likely be put to the grave by Orbán’s useless money squandering, as the public will not stand for that too long.

Fonseka
Guest

Orban decided to spend unlimited funds for sports. As long as he remains in power stadiums will be built (constructed by companies owned by Orban’s family), sportspeople will get rich, sport fans will be valued members of the community. There will be no stopping.

Sports is for the lower classes and they do value that Orban spends money on them instead on the liberal elite (like urban arts).

OK, Hungarian football sucks, but at least Orban tries. “He means well because at least he wants to make Hungary great again”. This is what average joes conclude and this is why rural folks are content with Fidesz.

Don’t underestimate Orban’s support in the working class. Educated people only make a fraction of Hungarian society and average joes love Orban’s right-wing policies sad as it is.

Guest

No, the average Hungarian doesn’t understand Orbán’s politics – the high taxes (27% AfA) and other measures like no money for education and healthcare.
He believes that the government is working on his behalf though – he sees the faults somewhere else. Claiming that Soros is responsible for everything is idiotic of course because there is absolutely no connection there but the Hungarian “lower intelligence class” like to believe this kind of cr*p!
When we talk with our neighbours my wife sometimes looks at me and invents a reason why we have to leave – because they spout such nonsense and she can’t stand it anymore …
The people see and feel their problems every day like the horrible state of the health system, the infrastructure (roads etc), education, corruption etc – but they don’t see the connection with the government:
It’s always someone else’s fault!

zsóka
Guest

Orban’s voters are loving the sports program. The liberals just hate it. This is the best combination. The second is at least as important as the first.

Money is only an issue for the liberals. They and the leftists always want to cut pensions, welfare, whatever. Orban is only cutting energy prices. He is increasing salaries.

Orban knows that a real leader doesn’t care about money in the budget. He has goals and he is executing his plan. Meanwhile the leftists are having the biggest infighting in years. There’s no voter who would seriously consider voting for the leftists who would keep on playing their childish games in government.

At least Jobbik is united. Too bad Orban is controlling the Jobbik guys too.

The opposition should’ve prepared for this election earlier. It’s in a terrible state – even the disgruntled voters hate this current bunch.

Observer
Guest

Here comes the Fail Brigade of the propaganda forces – it doesn’t get more primitive very often.

Member

Good evening Moscow.

wrfree
Guest

Re: Liberals…. leftists…Jobbik….opposition…

Maybe we should pity the players. Who are they playing for anyway? Confusion must reign in each and every kick. Kind of makes the word ‘national’ seem inappropriate.

petofi
Guest

re: zsoka

Again, someone has come and soiled all over this blog…
Please go back to your day-job of cleaning out the pig stys..

aida
Guest

Why do you think it helps an exchange of views to abuse those you think do not agree with you. I am far from sure you actually understand what Zsoka wrote.

Ferenc
Guest

Can’t imagine that zsoka himself understood what he wrote!!!

petofi
Guest

@ aida

You’re easily misled: it’s not an exchange of ‘views’ with someone like zsoka. No, he tries some KGB nonsense out and if people rise to it like salmon swimming up stream…well, all the better.

Once you engage someone like zsoka, he’s got you playing his game-

aida
Guest

Therefore do not engage. It is rubbish, I agree

Ferenc
Guest

OT
Interview with Zsolt Enyedi about the actual situation about CEU (incl.good explanation of the Lex CEU itself)
http://budapestbeacon.com/featured-articles/lex-ceu-may-sign-hungarys-reorientation-east-says-enyedi/47551

Idefix
Guest

“Lex CEU may be a sign of Hungary’s reorientation to the East” – this talk is exactly what average voters hate.

Orban IS a Russian asset. All top Fideszniks are terrified about the topic because they know exactly that the Russians grabbed Orban’s testicles and won’t ever release that grip. They know that in Hungary they may be kings (regional despots) but their Russian overlords are way more powerful.

Orban is working tirelessly to bind Hungary to Russia with long-term legal structures which cannot – for all practical purposes – be undone (the Russian counterparty is helping him in that).

Lex CEU and the Lex NGO were translated literally from Russian originals.

What is Enyedi talking about?

Lex CEU IS in fact one of the many signs of Hungary’s pivot to Russia. Orban long ago receive his GRU or FSB decoration. He may in fact be a Russian-Hungarian dual citizen for all we know. The Russians are smart they know how to place and run an effective agent.

petofi
Guest

Quite so, as I’ve said for atleast 5 years.
But Orban’s balls are free and unsqueezed–no need to serve as an apologist for VO.

Member

Just a note: I am predicting that the CEU will not be in Budapest by 2020 or even before.

petofi
Guest

@ Gyula

I don’t agree.
In chess, there’s a saying: a threat is as good
as the execution. So with Orban. His trick is to spread Fear, and the notion that the government is free to act on whatever front it choses. Whether it’s so or not is another matter…

wrfree
Guest

Re: VO and the opposition

Chess instruction for the latter as they have a hard time positioning fir the checkmating of de ‘Kiraly’. They should lay off going after hanging pawns. And they need to make him worry for which square to run to.

‘When your house is on fire you can’t be bothered with the neighbors. Or, as we say in chess, if your King is under attack you don’t worry about losing a pawn on the Queen’s side’. Kasparov

I_reborn
Guest

@ Idefix … did you read the Russian originals?
Perhaps you were the Russian Officer bestowing the GRU or FSB decorations on Orban? Ponyemaj pa rusky towarish or you are BS-ing like all other liberals without knowing what you are BS-ing about? Just to display your super brain?

Fonseka
Guest

The text of Lex-NGO contains verbatim excerpts from the Russian original. This is fact.

I hope you don’t think individual Hungarian MPs can speak or read Russian and do this.

This is a results of an inter-agency cooperation between the Hungarian intelligence and the Russian intelligence services. Both sides apparently concluded that the NGOs are imperialist enemies.

Lex-CEU and Lex-NGO are Russian-inspired, supported, sponsored intelligence operations. Orban is working for Putin the only question is why?

https://444.hu/2017/04/20/felfedezheto-az-orosz-minta-a-kulfoldrol-tamogatott-civil-szervezetek-regisztraciojat-eloiro-torvenyjavaslatban

Ferenc
Guest

OT – Lex NGO
Hungarian parliament passes controversial NGO law
http://budapestbeacon.com/featured-articles/breaking-and-bad-hungarian-parliament-passes-controversial-ngo-law/47546
“Cosmetic changes to the law in response to the Venice Commission have not altered the law’s true intent; it seeks to suppress democratic voices in Hungary just when the country needs them most. It attacks Hungarians who help fellow citizens challenge corruption and arbitrary power, and who stand up for free and independent media and for open debate.” –Goran Buldioski, director, Open Society Foundation, Europe

So, 3 points (Lex CEU, Lex NGO, Consultation) of the EU resolution of May.17 are clearly not followed by the HU government. Hopefully a very fast and strong response will come from the EU institutions (incl. a very very strictly monitor the use of EU funds by the Hungarian Government! Why doesn’t the EU just take the funds out of HU’s hands?)

Ferenc
Guest

And to all people in Hungary start demonstrating continuously from today on!!

Observer
Guest

EU was established by democracies to improve their peoples’ lot, nobody thought they’ll have an utterly immoral and tottaly corrupt regime in the club, so no controls and penalties were envisaged.
Best is to make the EU tax payers aware who steals their money and what it is used for
So everybody, keep working on these.

I_reborn
Guest

@Ferenc …you would like to shortchange the Hungarian People because the Government doesn’t want to lay down to the EU unelected and/or bought bodies? The answer to your question “Why doesn’t the EU just take the funds out of HU’s hands?)” is very simple: they know that Orban is right just they cannot admit it in public. They know that most NGOs in Hungary (and in many other countries) are foreign interest paid agencies having no moral, no patriotism, they know no God other than MONEY and for that they would sell their own mother never mind the country. CEU is the same.

Ferenc
Guest

U_gotevenmorelost…..

petofi
Guest

No greatness without character.
Where would Hungarians, with their upbringing in the lap of church doctors, find the upbringing to build character?

I remember a few years back when Hungarians invited a once-great German player to be the national coach. They got rid of him in a year: too tough on the players.

So, let’s go ahead with turning stadiums into plough-shares…

Ferenc
Guest

Sorry, I think even the Hungarian football players, association and supporters all noticed that the ‘once-great German player’ was not a good coach.
And for the football matches he played in his carreer, I mostly enjoyed the match ‘he’ played against Manchester United in 1999, the last minutes of that match (BTW after ‘he’ has left the field) were magic, for ManUnited…

Member

A good coach can do wonders, if he gets well developed, (mentally and physically) players with a talent for the game. Even a good coach cannot retrain the players completly, who are from various teams, where they are mismanaged and mishandled continuously.
From the present supply of soccer players, even God could not make a World Class team in a short time.

I_reborn
Guest

@Petofi … my humble suggestion to you to use some other name as the great poet of he Hungarian Nation turns rotates in his grave for such a basing that you are doing about the Hungarian People. You should shame yourself, ad so should your Mother for bringing you up like this. If anybody is lacking character it is you.

petofi
Guest

Sorry, reborn, but my mother was busy making a tour of Auschwitz and Bergen Belsen at the age of 17 to get a grounding on parenting. After the war, she laid 3 of us kinder and proceeded to work, somedays, from 3 am on to help feed us. So you see, I grew un-tended…much like a weed.

And, by the way, Hungarian people are shit. They sent 400,000 jews to Auschwitz in a matter of weeks in 1944…and proceeded to rob the empty apartments and businesses.

Presently, Hungarians (with Orban) have exactly what they deserve…(The morons still haven’t cottoned on to the fact that the rotund little gypsy is making complete fools of them all the time.)

Guest

Rather OT:

Today an admirer of O on politics.hu again used the phrase “The Leader” – most of you probably know how that is translated into German …

Many years ago my parents told me a (once dangerous) joke – informally the abbreviation GRÖFAZ was used:
Größter Führer aller Zeiten – this translates nicely into
The GLOAT – The Greatest Leader of all Times

Could someone try to translate this into Hungarian?

Pancho Pushkash
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Spot-on article. I need to point out a couple of inaccuracies though: Orbán made his (in)famous “Na ugye?” Facebook post after Hungary qualified for EURO 2016 by beating Norway in two play-off matches in 2015 November. Also, the boys have beaten Latvia (2-0, away) and Andorra (4-0, home), in the current World Cup qualifiers – which doesn’t really make a difference as Portugal and Switzerland comfortably occupy the first two places in the group. The main point is totally correct, those 100 billions of HUFs are shovelled into football completely in vain. The relative success of the national team had nothing to with Orbán. HFA president Csányi made a good move when he sacked the laughing stock manager Pintér (currently employed by Orbán’s Felcsút) after losing the first EURO qualifier at home. He also had the good sense to bring on Pál Dárdai, who learned his profession at the German Bundesliga, and realized that a mediocre team can only succeed by playing well-drilled defensive football. Bernd Storck followed the same path after Dárdai was no longer allowed to work in two positions by his German club Hertha. I’m sure Storck is also aware the limitations of the squad at his… Read more »
I_reborn
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Éva! How can someone hate the three times democratically elected PM of a foreign country with such a passion as you hate Orban Viktor and his government? How can you find the smallest issue to get on his case? How can you be so limited in views and at the same time so expert in every aspect of life that you attribute liability for losing a soccer game to the PM? I believe the answer has to be found in money. Beside that you are suffering from major Orbanophobia and Hungarophobia you must be well paid for such a relentless daily attacks on OV by one of the World S… Disturbing NGOs. I wonder if you report such payments to the IRS as a foreign income or evading paying tax on it. I guess it worth a phone call to find out.

Pancho Pushkash
Guest

I hope you are aware that you sound exactly like a hopelessly stupid Orbán lover.

petofi
Guest

“democratically elected”??

What a schmuck.
You mean heaving the OSCE out at election time was part of ‘democratically elected’?
Or, having 900,000 Romanian Hungarian votes at your disposal is part of the process of ‘democratic election’?

You must be a very cheap, low-grade troll…You need a re-tread at KGB headquarters!

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