A quick look at three recent events in Hungary

Medián’s latest opinion poll on parties and politicians

Today I will again cover several topics, all of which, I believe, deserve attention. I will start with Medián’s latest opinion poll, which shows a slight uptick in Fidesz support while the opposition parties’ positions remain fairly constant. I will not burden you with too many details and will provide figures only for those voters who claim they will certainly vote at the next election. In this group Fidesz leads with 53%, followed by Jobbik at 21%, while MSZP, which looks upon itself as the leading party on the left, currently garners only 12%. DK stands at 6% and LMP at 3%, which means that it wouldn’t meet the 5% threshold for representation in parliament. The smaller parties like Momentum, Együtt, Two-tailed Dog, and MoMa each have a 1% share of the active voters while the Hungarian Liberal Party and Párbeszéd have even less support. As it stands, about 10% of votes would be absolutely wasted if all these parties decided to run on their own. Given the fractured state of the left-of-center opposition, it is not at all surprising that 33% of the likely voters have no idea at the moment for which party they will vote at next year’s election.

Medián also asked people’s opinion of politicians. Hungarians have a very low opinion of politicians in general. Usually, János Áder heads the list, but his rank is due only to his office. People feel they must respect the president of the country. But even Áder’s “popularity” is only 49%. Viktor Orbán trails at 44%. The most popular opposition politician is Gergely Karácsony, mayor of Zugló (District XIV), with 39%. Currently he is Párbeszéd’s candidate for the premiership, which might be responsible for an 8% jump in his popularity in the last two months. On the other hand, MSZP’s László Botka hasn’t captured the imagination of the electorate. On the contrary, between April and June he has lost 8%. His current standing is a mere 26%. There are only two politicians who are less popular than Botka: Lajos Bokros and Ferenc Gyurcsány. Given Botka’s lack of popularity and the stagnating low support for MSZP, the socialist party’s prospects don’t seem too bright. I must say that I’m not surprised.

Egypt and Hungary are political neighbors

At least this is what Viktor Orbán claimed yesterday when Abdel Fattah el-Sisi visited Hungary to confer with the prime ministers of the Visegrád 4 and to have bilateral talks with Viktor Orbán.

El-Sisi arrived in Budapest in secrecy late Sunday night. MTI reported his presence in the Hungarian capital only after his meeting with Viktor Orbán yesterday. The Egyptian press was much more forthcoming. They announced the impending visit to Budapest already on July 1. As 168 Óra said of the strange circumstances of el-Sisi’s arrival, “the Orbán government first wanted to hide the dictator but at the end he was greeted with open arms.” Indeed, just as in the case of Erdoğan, Orbán went out of his way to flatter the dictator. He again came forth with some strange comments. Orbán, who likes to speak in the name of all Hungarians, claimed that when Hungarians look at other countries their first inquiry is “how much they are in love with their own independence.” I’m sure that this odd comment comes as a surprise to most Hungarians. But, the most incredible sentence was: “Egypt is not only a country close by but also politically speaking a neighbor.”

In addition to political matters there was again a lot of talk about the great economic opportunities and the prospects of more intensive trade relations in the future. All the talk about trade with Turkey a couple of days ago and now with Egypt prompted Bálint Ablonczy of Válasz to write an opinion piece titled “Wouldn’t it be time for a western opening?” He rightly pointed out that seven years after the announcement of the Eastern Opening the diversification of Hungarian trade relations hasn’t changed at all. In fact, in 2010 77% percent of Hungarian exports went to the countries of the European Union. Today that figure is 80%. This is so despite bilateral talks with leaders of countries east of Hungary. Meanwhile, Orbán meets European politicians only at EU summits. Perhaps, says Ablonczy, it would be time to turn toward the west. What Ablonczy doesn’t say but I’m sure he knows is that at present there are not too many European politicians who would like to be chummy with Viktor Orbán, friend of Vladimir Putin, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, Abel Fattah el-Sisi, Nursultan Nazarbayev, Ilham Aliyev, and other unsavory leaders.

Trade schools versus gymnasiums

I once wrote a post with the title “Hungarian politicians and learning: Not a good mix,” in which I listed a few truly harmful people in and around Hungarian education, starting with Rózsa Hoffmann, KDNP undersecretary of education between 2010 and 2014, László Palkovics, her successor, and László Parragh, president of the Hungarian Chamber of Commerce and Industry. The fact that a businessman might have such an outsize influence on public education might surprise most people, but the fact is that for one reason or another Parragh managed to convince Orbán that his ideas reflect the way Hungarian education should be structured for maximum economic benefit. Unfortunately, his ideas are totally misguided. He sees Hungary as a huge factory floor where blue-color workers toil on assembly lines. In his opinion, these workers don’t need a broad liberal arts education before embarking on a trade or profession. After eight years of general public education, they should be sent to trade schools. Orbán’s educational establishment has begun to promote trade schools over traditional high school education.

But there is one serious problem. Hungarian parents are smarter than László Parragh and want to have their children go through 12 years of academic learning. Interest in gymnasiums is still as high as ever. A furious Parragh blamed the municipalities for not shuttering gymnasiums. So, if the people don’t do something he and his fellow politicians want, the only way to remedy the situation is to force people to obey. A few days ago Magyar Nemzet received a copy of a background study on the subject which advocates “the introduction of an entrance exam to be taken in grade eight” that would determine the future of 14-year-olds. In addition, the authors of the study suggest “a gradual restriction on the number of gymnasiums.” Let’s kill children’s opportunities after a single test. Because once children are forced into these trade schools there is no way they will ever end up in college or university.

Let me include here a couple of recent photos taken in these “szakközépiskolák.”

My favorite is the one below that accompanies Magyar Nemzet’s article on the so-called educators’ plan for ruining a whole generation.

What in the world will these two guys do with what they are allegedly learning here?

July 4, 2017
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tappanch
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(Government support/ pupil) in parochial vs public schools

Academic year:
2016-2017: 160,000 HUF vs 61,000 HUF , ratio: 2.6
2017-2018: 200,000 HUF vs 58,000 HUF, ratio: 3.4

http://hvg.hu/itthon/20170516_Haromszor_tobbet_er_egy_gyerek_ha_egyhazi_iskolaba_jar

tappanch
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Number of students in parochial schools [number of parochial elementary schools]

Academic year:

2010-2011: 112,500 [197]
2014-2015: 204,000 [336]
2017-2018: ???

https://vs.hu/kozelet/osszes/duplajara-nott-az-egyhazi-iskolakban-tanulok-szama-0902

wrfree
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Sure looks as if more souls are getting on the line to heaven! On that it would be expected that for the future the Christian country will perhaps be the most beautiful, kind, understanding, pious country resplendent in its glorious charity and service to mankind. Though its actions at high levels in reality leave something to be desired and veer quite away from religious principle. It can be said Magyarorszag certainly has ‘freedom of religion’. But not ‘freedom from religion’ as Christianity is vocally and publicly raised the uppermost in VO’s land. And ironically it is used as a government cudgel in its foreign and domestic policies. Washington, that great democratic revolutionary, has to be rolling over in his grave as he felt religious principle has its place in government but that ‘One’ religion should not take precedence in a constructed pluralistic society. The potential of conflicts was too strong and destabilizing. On that we can safely say considering the changes in belief systems in our ‘secular’ age and how religious revolution has altered the globe that Magyarorszag will be steeped continually in modern conflict both within and without in the decades ahead. It will be interesting to view how… Read more »
old 1956
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There is a big difference between Putin/Erdogan and Abdel Fattah el-Sisi.

Egypt is pro-Western, together with the steadily reforming Saudi kingdom.

Qatar is in the Putin/Erdogan anti-Western camp.

williefogg
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This is an extreme simplification of the situation. El-sisi as pro-Western or the House of Saud as pro-Western? C’mon.

tappanch
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Minister Lazar on 2016-11-25

“The conviction of the current Hungarian State is that the MOST important actors in education are the schools run by churches”

“The most important thing we can give to a student is to raise her/him to become a good Catholic or Protestant and a good Hungarian”

Everything else in education is uncertain, he added.

http://hvg.hu/itthon/20161125_lazar_janos_oktatas_egyhazi_iskolak

Observer
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See, we are going fast, backwards to the 1930s. Hajra!

Member

Today’s news. Extra government money (22 billion forints) is allocated to five Catholic (Piarist) schools [Kecskemét 8.65, Mosonmagyaróvár 5.7, Göd 3.8, Nagykanizsa 2.3, Sátoraljaújhely 1.55]

http://index.hu/belfold/2017/07/05/22_milliardot_szan_a_kormany_ot_egyhazi_piarista_fenntartasu_iskolara/

Kicked out again
Guest

Thank you for kicking me out again. You just cannot rise above your pretty low self esteem can you Madam Fascist Dictator? Do you really think that you can suppress me? Poor little Eva B.S.

Member

Well with your crappy attitude and abusive language, I’d say you definitely deserve whatever you get.

Kicked out again
Guest
“Orbán’s educational establishment has begun to promote trade schools over traditional high school education”. If you knew (which of course you do have no idea about) how badly trade education has deteriorated under Magyar Bálint and his followers in favor of “broad liberal arts education” putting the manufacturing, construction and service industry into shortage of skilled workers thus bringing a generation up with no skills other than pushing empty rhetoric. Eva B.S. let me ask you a quick question. Whom would you call when your toilet stops working? a./ a liberal university professor, b./ a “broad liberal arts educated” arci-farci knows it all who questioning everything but knows nothing snob or c./ a “trade schools over traditional high school educated“ plumber? Eva B.S. you are old enough to have ample knowledge about the 50-60-70s Hungarian education system. Can you remember the “entrance exam had to be taken in grade eight” that “determined the future of 14-year-olds”! I am one of those “14 years olds” who got my first marketable skill as an electrician at the age of 17 and joined the workforce rather than a “broad liberal arts educated” gymnasium graduate at 18 with nothing to show for the years.… Read more »
Bowen
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Thanks for your post. Please can you supply your phone number? It will come in useful for Hungarian Spectrum readers, in case their toilet stops working. That was the most useful thing I got from your post.

Melanie Zuben
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Is that so? “Kicked out again” makes far too much logical sense for a Liberal thinker! It must be very painful for you guys to read his post.
Why don’t you work on perfecting stem-cell babies (mothers are not needed) and leave the running of traditional, decent societies to those who have a basic understanding of right and wrong.

Bowen
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Very true. And if your toilet ever gets blocked, then now you know who to call.

Melanie Zuben
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Bowen,
And who are you Liberals going to call when your toilet gets blocked?! A financial advisor?

Guest

Yes, the creature’s stupidities make as much sense as your idiotic lies – “Two thirds of Hungarians voted for Orbán”.
That’s what’s painful for any sane person …

And the fact that it (can’t call him a he or she …) repeats the same nonsense, copying it into different threads makes it even funnier – or worse, depending on my mood.
Why don’t you go and start your own blog together with “Reborn”? I’m sure you might get enough money from Fidesz for this!
On the other hand there already are thousands of well financed pro-government sites in Hungary from which you can choose.

PS:
Calling the Hungarian regime of Fidesz a “traditional, decent society” was a really good joke – though you probably didn’t intend to do this …
And you of course forgot to add “God fearing, Christian” and a few more like that, little illiberal girl!

wrfree
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Re: KOA: ‘Based on the foregoing we can conclude that the Orban government is on the right track “to promote trade schools over traditional high school education’ Have to say it reminds me of that Dutch kid who saved Holland by putting his finger in the dike. Now that’s how ‘kids’ 14 years no less and their lives save the state and their governmental ‘decisions” Once again as in earlier decades ineptness in ‘management of issues’ results in a crash moment of rush to solve a problem on the backs of various segments of society. Magyarorszag always seems to bark up the wrong tree. The fact that country always had a hard time educating its citizens and continues to do so just shows how stunning the situation is today where they still haven’t grasped some of the most important issues such as truly preparing the future work force with solid overall skills in our rapidly changing world. And the skills apparently shown in trying to deal with that are breathtaking in their lack of analysis. This ‘management on the fly’ is simply a stop-gap measure. Pretty soon more and more of those who are up on things will be ‘on… Read more »
petofi
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‘…saving Holland’

I always thought the sentence was,
“About the kid who put his finger in the dyke…” And in my teens, I could never figure out how that saved Holland–

wrfree
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Haha .me either. ..See petofi? We have become older and wiser now of all
the ways of the world’.😎

Kicked out again
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be careful what you write because you can end up on the BlackList, or being labeled (as in the PS started by wolfi7777) perhaps both.

Kicked out again
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Gladly. Here is the number to call: 203-393-2366, and the address to write: 199 Wooding Hill Rd, Bethany CT 06524-3144

Bowen
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Until you’re brave enough to put your real name here, let alone your actual address, you’re not fit enough to even clean toilets for a living.

But, I’m glad to see that this blog has agitated you.

olivebranch
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@ Bowen … hypocrisy at its height, is this your real name? Is your address published anywhere? However I must agree with you that I am “not fit enough to even clean toilets for a living”, I leave it to you and others who try to “agitate” me. I must disappoint you, I am as cool as it gets, no agitation so your happiness is curtailed to say the least.

Member

Do you really think that using such ugly and abusive language is going to convince anyone of your point of view?

And are you really surprised that someone who runs a blog would tolerate such ugliness?

Kicked out again
Guest

no to both of your questions.
I am ashamed by my own style but this site is so hypocrite that I must provoke heated debate to bring some openness and equality into the discussion.

Eva and her followers use similar or even more aggressive language and nobody objects to it.

At the beginning I was a nice boy, attempted to participate in productive dialogs but this site is under fascist style management that surprises (or ties to suppress with not much success in my case) opposing comments. I can promise you and all readers not to mention to Eva that I will put on my polite and culturally acceptable “illiberal” style as soon as the “BlackList “ is eliminated thus opening the blog for everybody to express their opinion.

Member

“I am ashamed by my own style but this site is so hypocrite that I must provoke heated debate to bring some openness and equality into the discussion.”

1) You SHOULD be ashamed! Your writing is foul and unworthy of this site and it’s not surprising no one wants you. I would kick you off my site too.
2) Your justification for behaving in this way is moronic and juvenile. I don’t know how old you are but you are about 9 years old emotionally.

PS. Also, you know what’s hypocritical? The fact that you support this current government but you LIVE IN THE USA. If you think this government is so great, WHY DON’T YOU LIVE HERE IN HUNGARY like I do? Maybe you wouldn’t think it’s so great if you actually had to go through what we all have to go through here on a daily basis.

It’s easy to criticize when you have your nice cushy life in the US and can tell us how awful we all are when we actually have to live here you don’t.

olivebranch
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@ shoopy … “Your writing is foul and unworthy of this site” is a disappointment for me as it shows complete ignorance of my explanation to your previous comment. “Amilyen az adjon Isten olyan a fogadj Isten”. It wasn’t me who started hostility, but when attacked I fight fire with fire … (quote from Pres. Trump). You missed out on my promise completely. Also you might want to look up the meanings of your words before publishing them. “I would kick you off my site too” as all left lib intellectuals would invoke the “my way or the hiway” attitude who are unable; therefore unwilling to debate issues with strong and determined opponents. “you are about 9 years old emotionally” thank you for the analysis dr. psychologist 🙂 “you LIVE IN THE USA” I am not sure where you got this but it is as far from reality as it can be. “you support this current government” is also not true, I support the government’s anti-invasions policy. The issue in this article is factual rather than political therefore I expressed my opinion on the need of improved trade education. You might pay attention to the fact that I have not… Read more »
Guest

“…..once children are forced into these trade schools there is no way they will ever end up in college or university.”

I expect the next new unlawful “law” to be introduced will be travel restrictions on all those who have finished in trade schools.

Just like in the days of communism (which Fidesz pretends to abhor) the state wants to control Hungary’s workforce. But if the trade school graduates have any sense, they will skidaddle out of Hungary quick as possible, and settle in other parts of Europe where they will be paid 4 times as much as in Hungary for their skills, and will have far greater opportunities for continuing higher education at any age and in any field of their choice.

A pox on the Hungarian house of Fidesz and its nonsensical pretence of being a government.

Observer
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It is interesting that even as H spends a bit below the European average the teachers pay is one of the lowest in the OECD and the results have significantly deteriorated during Orban’s reign (as most things he touches).

I suspect the inept/harmful education policies (envisaging muscular workers with hammers?) and the pervasive corruption is where the money is wasted (in the meaning of killed).

Guest

I am no expert in education but there are plenty of studies that show the more university graduates, the higher the GDP and the faster the economic growth. Way to go, Hungary…

Kicked out again
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My take on the GDP is that it is a mislabeled statistical fraud. It should be called GDCF (gross domestic cash flow) as it includes all activities where money changes hands s.a. lawyers and accountants fees etc., which are anything but production. I’ve never seen any “real wealth creating worker” with university diploma earning working class wage but some lawyers charge hourly rate in the million forint range. So you are right if everybody in Hungary had a university degree the GDP would be the highest on the world but nobody would be trained to hammer a nail in a wall to hand the picture of the Great Economist (GS) as there would be no walls built (anywhere else than the US-Mexican border of course.

Member

Yesterday, the Hungarian translations of Orwell’s “1984” and “Animal Farm” were deleted from the free Electronic Public Library MEK (mek.oszk.hu) for copyright reasons.

https://444.hu/2017/07/05/eltunt-az-1984-a-magyar-elektronikus-konyvtarbol

Member

A story from 1980. I was returning from the permitted (1 month/ 3 years) tourist trip in the “West”, and yes I had some books with me. And, yes all of the books were confiscated from me on the train at the Hungarian border.

Except one. It was the “Animal Farm” with a broadly smiling pig on its cover. I was able to convince the customs officer that the book was about pig raising.

Member

My memory must have beautifying tendencies. I have found THAT cover on the internet. The pig was NOT smiling.

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Member

I do not think I would have made it through the border with this cover !

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wrfree
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Great images tappanch. If only George was alive to see how influential he was and still is when it comes to talking about the pig. That guy was ‘prescience personified’…😎

petofi
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@wrfree
re: Orwell

If now alive, I don’t think Orwell would be amused at having been right. I think he’d be horrified that the notion of ‘progress’ no longer applies…

Member

: )

aida
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Orwell was not a fantasist. 1984 was not a prophecy. It was a book based on clear analysis of British life. Why would he have written a fantasy when he knew the hard facts.
We live in challaging times. We have lived in the world which is now being dismantled by Orban, May, Le Pen, Putin, Trump etc. We must combine to stop our lives becoming hell on earth. The simple message has nothing to do with populism. It is about the very rich and super rich wanting to be even more rich and beyond challenge.
We must defend the values and the future given to us by EU. We must fight the Orban regine, the Nazi May, the fascist Putin.and you know who else. We must do it.

wrfree
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Orwell hands down takes his place as one of the greatest writers in tbe 20th century. He is what happens when anger meets perceptive and critical analysis plus moral acuity in distilling the takeaways from observing the results and behaviors of great movements and actions of personalities within the turbulent age he lived in and reported on.

In hindsight talent rose to the top no matter even if his ‘fairy story’ Animal Farm was rejected by a US publishing house on submission. Reason? ‘No ‘commercial proposition’ when it comes to ‘animal stories’. With way things are going we may get as Hitchens noted a North Korean edition of that ‘fairy story’ one of these days.

wrfree
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Not surprised at all. Come to think of it books were as rare as hen’s teeth in my travels. And who read at all at the time? (Personally, I never saw books in family homes in the villages). Most likely it was the ‘intelligentsia’ of the ‘Party’ who were the ones who buried themselves in so-called ‘theories’ and observing ‘proles’ as the tehens got milked , fences mended and the csirkes fed in the coops. Books no doubt were ok for the ‘great unwashed’ so that they could learn and continue Marx’s work. But they had to be the ‘right’ ones. Looks ‘same old same old’ as the virtually arcane, stilted and tediously boring academic writing probably swore the peasants and rest of the electorate off from getting involved with the printed word. Perhaps it has made the konyv a repository of language, thought and ideas saying nothing to them. We may be seeing the fruits of all that today and once again the leadership insists on controlling intellectual life of the country with their potentially restricting educational goals for the country. Setting up trade schools is important however not at the expense of ‘broad liberal arts’ programs which at… Read more »
Member

It’s a perfect indicator of the hungarian state of mind. I have a similar experience when I wanted to buy a book of Kafka. They have never heard of the guy. : )

Guest

Not too much OT:
One of my favourite memories re books (I probably told that story here before – but it’s so nice) …
Once I was introduced to a Hungarian woman which I hadn’t seen before and we had dinner in a nice restaurant, trying to keep up a conversation with our limited language skills …
After I brought her home she asked me if I wanted some water before driving home and while she fetched it I looked at her bookshelves (!) – and between many Hungarian books whose authors I didn’t know I saw Thomas Mann’s Buddenbrooks and some Sinclair Lewis – and D H Lawrence … (You all know the title of the book …)
That woman is now my wife!

wrfree
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Happy reading. ‘A room without books is a body without a soul’. Marcus Tullius Cicero ….

and ….’There is no such thing as too many books’. 😎

wrfree
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You know on reflection after a few decades have gone by I did indeed receive a book or two from one of my cousins. Unfortunately I never did manage to meet her again but the books well they tell it all… Petofi’s poetry and ‘The Tragedy of Man’. These classics never get old.

Member

Publicly-owned real estate sold (at the right price to the right people)

2014: 0.4
2015: 5.4
2016: 8.0
2017: 26.8 billion HUFs (4* [2017 first quarter sales])

http://index.hu/gazdasag/2017/07/05/nemzeti_vagyonkezelo_ertekesitett_ingatlanok_listaja/

Kicked out again
Guest

@ Eva …
As you know (or should be aware of) that I am constantly monitoring your BlackList to see if and when you eliminate it.
By now you should have no doubt that my computer knowledge is way beyond your ability to block me without destroying your own blog.
I have 249 IP addresses at the moment to put on your BlackList and unlimited new ones when I reconfigure my software. It makes no sense to go on this route any longer as the result will be increasingly worse behavior on my part to achieve my declared goal; unfettered freedom of speech and expression for everybody on this site.

I am offering you truce in exchange for deleting your BlackList and opening the blog for free flow of ideas and opinions. If you want to improve the quality of comments perhaps you should publish a general guideline asking people to stay away from labeling and mad-throwing on each other for having different opinions and respect such.

Member

Eva,
…or you could change the commenting platform in ways that would neutralize harmful commenters like him relatively easily.

Popular blogs always attract psychos – it just goes with the territory, and the best thing to do is usually to implement a system that makes these people impotent. Just trying to offer a helpful suggestion:)

olivebranch
Guest

@ shoopy …
“always attract psychos” do you know that during the 80s in the Soviet-union the communists sent their intellectual opponents to mental institutions for being “psychos”? Nice new label. Are you proud of this? Is this the liberal way to silence opposing views? Of course it is. Rather than encouraging Eva to eliminate the blacklist you are strengthening her conviction that she is doing the right thing. Shame on you 🙁

Member

I give you another label. And you sir, are nothing but a despicable hypocrite.

You support a regime which permits no dissention in their joke of a state media (funded by taxpayers) a media which not only spreads hate and lies but destroys lives

,And you have the cheek to come on here to complain about free speech on a blog?

Go away please.
There are literally thousands of neo/nazi blogs which will welcome your sort with open arms. Why not get a grant from the Fidesz fascists and set up your own blog?

Member

Ms Balogh,
I would humby suggest switching off comments for a short period (I guess summer is quiet in terms of reader figures).

From experience of running my own site, trolls on the far-right are like a cancer. Gibe them any leeway at all and they will detract from the main issues you are trying to push here.

The vast majority read HS and dont comment and they read it exactlly because it gives an alternative to the fascist drivel the Fidesz media is constantly spewing out. They don`t want to read the same hatred on here that they get on Origo, Magyar Idok, MT1 etc.

Member
Any “government” which permits the paedophile enablers of the Catholic Church to play any part in its school system should be ashamed of itself. I would not let any child of mine within 50 kms of those sick and perverted bastards, yet Orbán sees fit to give them the benefit of oversubsidising their education system. Tells all you need to know about the evil amorality at the heart of the man. He would sell his daughters off as prostitutes if he thought it would win him one more vote in Borsodi county. Moving onto the main question…. actually, I think that the belief that a university education is the be all and end all of a successful life or even career is one which is given to much credence to by the middle-class of Hungary. Of course the fascists want to limit career opportunities to their own brat (and generally thick) offspring. Having said that even, the most expensive foreign education (as in the case of Orban and Aders daughters) can never bring brains to a place where none existed before. But in the absence of any concept of career advice at the age of 16-18 the average Hungarian teenager… Read more »
barnabás
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There are now a third as many students studying law than there were 6 years ago.

University education in Hungary basically collapsed, about 100,000 less students are there at universities then there were 6-7 years ago. This is a real danger in big university towns like Pécs and Szeged because sooner or later professors will have to be kicked out if the situation continues.

It doesn’t really matter what kids study at a college. They learn to be able to study and get a middle-class network of acquaintances. I know many Hungarian bölcsész (arts student) who learned to code and now work as coders for various companies. I know many lawyers who changed professions.

There’s just no way one can encourage or force high school students without a college experience to take up new professions and learn skills by themselves. They will forever remain an underclass. Hungary is not Switzerland or Germany where skilled workers without a college degree can join world class companies and remain well-off middle-class citizens.

Member

I just revisited the movie “Hello, Dolly” with Barbra Streisand (1969)

Around the end, there is a philosophical remark.

Dolly Levi:

“Money, pardon the expression, is like manure. It’s not worth a thing unless it’s spread around, encouraging young things to grow.”

Member

Parragh: “Yes, we should lower the number of students in the “gymnasium”s ”

http://mfor.hu/cikkek/makro/Parragh_Laszlo___Tudom__hogy_vagyok_a_fekete_ordog_.html

Member

Kövér: “The Soros organizations will start street riots and create civil war atmosphere in the autumn.”

https://444.hu/2017/07/05/kover-szerint-soros-gyorgy-hamarosan-nyiltan-kiserletet-tesz-a-demokratikus-intezmenyrendszer-megdontesere

exTor
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Melanie Zuben is far too impressed with facileness if she believes that ‘kicked out again’ [KOA] “makes far too much sense”. I have my doubts about the veracity of his claims about his achievements. Given his mindset, I’m not inclined to give him the benefit of my doubt. His Connecticut address is (likely) fake news.

Trade schools are needed, but not at the expense of regular schools. All types of schools are needed. The tying of schools to churches, as lauded by János Lázár (amongst others), is a cynical attempt to curry favor with the Church in return for Hungarian votes.

In the United States, Betsy DeVos, a superreligionist whose ideal is private schools, became the US Secretary of Education on a tie-breaking vote by Vice President Mike Pence, another superreligionist. According to DeVos, educational activism is a way to “advance God’s Kingdom”. Her father-in-law is a billionaire who founded Scamway [my interpretation].

As in the United States, as in Hungary, the Church is posited as the salvation of education, not its retrogradation. When will the teaching of evolution be banned in certain Magyar schools? KOA is trying to mock Éva with his brattiness. Notwithstanding his selfmischaracterization, he’s a bust.

MAGYARKOZÓ

tappanch
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“cuius regio”:

Analysis of the 2015-2016 agricultural land privatization to Fidesz friends and family:

https://fold.atlatszo.hu/

tappanch
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Interesting data:

Hungarians working abroad wired back around 3.5 billion euros in 2016.
(permanently abroad = 0.5, temporarily abroad = 3.0).

This results in the highest per cent (around 4%) of remittances/GDP in the EU.

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https://444.hu/2017/07/05/a-kulfoldon-dolgozo-magyarok-kuldik-haza-a-legtobb-penzt-europaban-az-orszag-meretehez-kepest

http://www.hitelintezetiszemle.hu/letoltes/a-kulfoldon-elo-magyarok-jovedelmeinek-csortos-orsolya-koczian-balazs.pdf

barnabás
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Question 1: How temporary are those workers? My guess is that 95% of them are full time living and working abroad even if they still have a permanent address in Hungary.

Question 2: how do you exactly measure remmittences? This is interesting because Fideszniks launder money which (at least part of it) ends up in Hungary as a transfer from abroad from a Danish bank account of a Cook Island trust which holds monies transferred from Hungary where it was stolen.

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