Gay “freaks” threaten Hungarian values

It was twenty years ago, in 1997, that the gay community in Budapest first celebrated “the day of pride.” Shortly after I started Hungarian Spectrum, I wrote a post about the annual event that took place on July 7, 2007. The 2007 Pride marked the first time that the march was not entirely peaceful. Jobbik, then still a very young, small party, organized a counter-demonstration whose participants soon enough were throwing eggs, tomatoes, stones, and beer bottles at the marchers. Several people were arrested. At that time it was estimated that about 2,000 people took part in the celebration. Last year the Budapest Pride put on a show on Andrássy Boulevard with 20,000 participants.

Ever since 2008 the celebrating crowd has been squeezed between miles of metal barricades. The police claim that otherwise they are unable to protect the Pride marchers.

The heavy-duty metal railing is close to impenetrable

I remember how humiliated some people inside those barricades felt. They complained bitterly, but in the intervening years nothing has changed. The police plan to erect the barricades again this year. But this time around the organizers are rebelling. Not only, they argue, is the arrangement humiliating, but people cannot join the march along the way.

The Hungarian LGBTQ community is becoming increasingly and openly dissatisfied with the situation in Hungary. By the way, about a year ago an article published in Népszabadság called attention to the growing number of gay and lesbian couples who decide to escape abroad from the widespread discrimination in Hungary.

Although the actual parade will take place on Saturday, July 8, the Budapest Pride Week officially began on June 30 at the Tesla Budapest Cultural Center. Kriszta Székely, director of the József Katona Theater, was the keynote speaker. It was a good speech, personal and moving. Although she kept saying that she doesn’t want to give a political speech, there was no way of avoiding mention of the wretched state of Hungarian society where “unhappy people without a future are being manipulated.” The palpable hate that has spread in Hungarian society is truly shocking. “Life has come to a standstill. There is only a black hole.” She talked about a country that has no brain and no heart. She complained about her fellow citizens who “tolerate a situation in which [the government] treats refugees or its own Roma citizens as if they were animals. Has everybody lost his mind and heart? … Hungarians wake up!”

These events have been providing plenty of fodder for the government media. Echo TV spent almost half an hour on an interview with one of the leaders of Momentum, the new political formation, which urged people to attend the parade in order to show solidarity with the LGBTQ community. The interview was, I suppose one could say, educational. The ECHO TV journalist confronted Edina Pottyondi, an articulate, intelligent member of Momentum’s leadership. She handled the interviewer well, but even she was somewhat stymied when asked: “Why doesn’t Momentum work on leading gay and lesbian people back to heterosexuality?” Yes, I’m afraid this is the level of discourse in right-wing circles about homosexuality in Hungary.

The homophobic Pesti Srácok tried to convince its readers that Hungarian gays have nothing to complain about because “in comparison to some other parts of the globe” they “have it easy.” Here they are–“their greatest problem seems to be the presence of metal railings which are set up for their own safety.” And then the article lists all those countries where gays have it much worse: “Turkey leads in the prohibition of Pride,” “Putin has no mercy,” “In Serbia one couldn’t march for years,” “The situation is not rosy in Bulgaria either,” “In Chechnya there are concentration camps.” Our man just compared his own country to a group of countries he most likely considers inferior to Hungary.

But at least this particular Pesti Srácok article was not vicious, as was the one written by “Ratius” on the same site. He calls LGBTQ people “freaks” (torzszülött). “The majority looks upon these people with pity, perhaps loathing or fear … and definitely not with swooning respect or yellow envy.” These people are the opposite of everything we consider beautiful, good, and correct. “They are ugly, evil, deformed with perverse desires” and society shoves them aside in order to maintain the desirable life strategies, identity for the normal members of society. There are times when “deviance” spreads in society to such an extent that its members even opt for “terrible dictatorship, hoping to curb the rampage of abnormalities.” Our man doesn’t leave us in doubt for long. Yes, he is talking about Nazi Germany. Perhaps the Nazis went too far, but “the existence of marginalized communities is not justified. They don’t have to exist. Single people, gays, Down Syndrome idiots, cannibals, religious fundamentalists, and militant animal rights activists don’t need to exist.” He kindly adds that their destruction wouldn’t be justifiable, but “the revolt of the freaks threatens our values and through that our society.” This is not dubious social engineering. “It is just common sense that we refuse human experimentation, and accordingly we lock up the insane in loony bins and send marginal communities, strange physical and spiritual gnomes where they belong.”

Pesti Srácok is a heavily subsidized government publication. Should the Hungarian government be supporting fascist or Nazi talk? Of course not, but then….

July 6, 2017
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petofi
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Hungarian values?
What “Hungarian values”???

Michael Kaplan
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You are definitely sleeping as in no remorse for your ignorance and prejudice.

exTor
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This ‘response’ was actually a reaction to a per-usual idiotic squib from the now-depossessed olivebranch, perhaps soon to reincarnate loozerly.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Jean P.
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We need some sort of iron railing to protect us against olivebranch.

Michael Kaplan
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Sadly, You have no values of life, only of hate. The “Soros Imported newcomers” comment simply reflects your effort to hide a bad motive behind what you think is insight. A country that still can’t take responsibility for its history during the Shoah, let alone ongoing anti Semitic comments about George Soros will end up rewarding every other kind of prejudice such as anti gay views.

Member

One of the most beautiful Pride posters I have seen so far: “I support gay marriage” and the soon-iconic photo of Orbán’s meeting with Erdoğan.
http://zeroz3ro.tumblr.com/post/162445603992/az-%C3%BAj-pride-plak%C3%A1t

Melanie Zuben
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Sentroppa-Santra, re: “I support gay marriage” Live and let live! Do whatever you like, however I’d like gay men to respect heterosexual females, their needs etc. Respect goes both ways.You want to be gay? Great! Knock yourselves out! Enjoy your lives! To whomever this may concern: Last night I happened to watch: “Who Wants to Marry a Millionaire?” The hostess was casually educating a shy young girl about sex, etc. and somehow the conversation ended up discussing anal sex. The young girl said (blushing) the following: “Oh, THAT. . . I’ll keep THAT for my husband as my wedding night present. This will be my precious gift to him.” This is PROMOTION of the worst kind. Targeting the young and the impressionable. Shocking stuff! You might be able to enlighten me: Why would a heterosexual male want to have “anal sex” on his wedding night? What is this ongoing campaign to make it acceptable and “sell” anal sex to heterosexual males/females? How many females out there would be forced into this sexual behaviour just because their so-called “heterosexual” male partner was brainwashed on one of the porn-sites, thinking that women actually “enjoy” anal sex? (Women can suffer from periods, childbirth… Read more »
exTor
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Listen Melanie Zuben, I try to avoid interacting with you, for I see you as a disturbed soul who somehow feels the need to post your pestilences to this forum. Your claim to rectitude is your having been born in Hungary.

Your current post, while not bannable or anything like that, is troublesome for it evinces a mind retreating from reality. Anal sex and its relationship to women, hetero or otherwise, is not relevant here (at this time).

Gay males do not bother straight females.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Guest

Latefor obviously has a problem with sex – she had many comments on “dingalings” and you name it not so long ago.
Sometimes she’s funny in her stupidity (she doesn’t really know much about life in Hungary) – when not it’s best to ignore her aka the village idiot …

Melanie Zuben
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ExTor,
In my capacity as a “disturbed soul” (with an ever questioning mind) how come that they’ve supposedly found a cure for AIDS but women are dying (all over the world in their thousands) of breast cancer? (There is an epidemic, in case you didn’t know)
Anti-bacterial drugs are available for gay men (they can take it prior to going on “investigative sex”) but this information is not available to women, who can become victims of their promiscuous partners. You say: “gay males do not bother females” but bisexuals do, don’t they? Instead of educating young women about the joys of anal sex, should’t they be supplied with information on how to protect themselves?

exTor
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Listen Melanie Zuben, you need to get over yourself. As I suggested to olivebranch, another pest bedeviling this forum, you need to grow up, a strange bit of advice for one to have to proffer to a woman in her mid60s.

Whether you see yourself as a disturbed soul or not is irrelevant, bringing up AIDS, breast cancer, anal sex or other issues of putative personal relevance is a misdirection, a clogging of the Hungarian Spectrum stream.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Melanie Zuben
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As per the link I’ve provided:” People with HIV live happy, healthy and productive lives. And their life expectancy can be as long as someone who doesn’t have HIV. If not longer!”

Unfortunately, breast cancer victims do NOT have this privilege. (Not enough money for research, obviously). If I could bring attention to this very serious issue, then my day was spent on something that is very important and close to my heart. Women’s health might be “irrelevant” to you and you look at it as something that can be dismissed as “clogging” your (Eva’s) blog, but for the majority of females, spending more money on research is a matter of life and death!

Also, when is the better time than today to bring up the importance of antibacterial drugs for the sexually promiscuous?

tappanch
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Results of a scientific study of heterosexuals :

Look at the purple dot at 90% !

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http://www.lehmiller.com/blog/2013/8/9/sex-question-friday-do-women-enjoy-anal-sex

exTor
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As with Melanie Zuben, as with you tappanch, what is the point of this post? How is the Hungarian Spectrum readership enlightened with respect to the gay situation in Hungary by poring of the details contained herein?

MAGYARKOZÓ

Observer
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Tappanch

KUDOS !!
Pity facts don’t count with “faithfu” crowd

Melanie Zuben
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tappanch,
Your “scientific study” does NOT include an important factor: what type of drugs were used by the participants?

Guest

I wonder how many members of the Fidesz government are gay, or have children who are gay? And if we should “….send marginal communities, strange physical and spiritual gnomes where they belong..”, exactly where is this place where gays should be sent?

Once again Orbán has delegated his dirty work to others (in this case “Ratius”) so he can look innocent, but he is directly responsible for the accelleration of hate talk and violence in Hungary, just as he has been since 2006.

exTor
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https://hungarianfreepress.com/2015/08/05/fidesz-mayor-mate-kocsis-and-the-hysteria-around-refugees-in-hungary

https://hungarianfreepress.com/2015/10/30/calling-someone-a-homosexual-is-defamation-in-hungary

Referencing the above-linked Hungarian Free Press articles, Máté Kocsis, the Fidesz mayor of Budapest District VIII [Józsefváros], was outed [2015] by Klára Ungár, a liberal politician, herself gay by admission. Ungár also outed József Szájer, a married-with-children Fidesz biggie. Not sure what came of those two outings.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Member

I use a rough rule of thumb that the more homophobic a politician is, the more likely he (or she) is a closet homosexual. There have been a number of American politicians (and even some pastors) in the past several decades for whom this was the case. As a retired scientist, I will point out that this is purely anecdotal evidence and thus will not stand up to scientific scrutiny.

Member

These are typical reactions, described by Freud as defence mechanisms if you don’t accept, that you are gay.
Mate Kocsis became an absolute homophobic gay hater (projection) after he was outed by Klara Ungar.
The funny thing, he lost a trial against Ungar. The judges found it isn’t discriminating calling someone gay because there is nothing bad about being gay.

Guest

And now we’re waiting for your groupies to come dancing with you – down with gays, Jews, Liberals, who else do you hate?

The Pirez are a good candidate for you imbeciles!

Wondercat
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“Ratior”. From ratus, well-advised. The comparative, the better-advised. Temptation to re-spell as “Rattior” from rattus, patkány — I must resist.

The Amish approach to “special children” is worth a comparison with the “ratty” approach, that of “Nem kell lenniük szingliknek, melegeknek, Down-kóros idiótáknak…torzszülötteteknek”. (Leaving aside “singletons”. Some people simply are not marriageable, for all sorts of reasons.) Special children (including those with Down syndrome), to the Amish, are opportunities to learn how to love and to serve.

Interesting, too, the word torzsülöttet. Not a chosen path, at least for homosexuals. Homosexual behaviour can of course be an option for heterosexuals, but as a nephew of mine once said to me, “It’s whom you fall in love with, and I fall in love with men.” Born that way. Born twisted? Whether “yes” or “no”, born that way. Then, surely, as human beings, opportunities — like special children — for those not born “that way” to learn how to love and to serve (or, for Patkányosabb, to hate and to maltreat).

exTor
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http://hungarianspectrum.org/2017/07/05/george-soros-and-george-orwells-emmanuel-goldstein/#comment-135072

This is offtopic, but I had to write it. I just revisited my reply [above link] to that brat formerly known as olivebranch, when I noticed that Éva finally gave him the boot, which is too bad in a way, because that racist brat wont have a chance to reply to me in his current (now-former) incarnation. Sad for Éva, that racist juvenile will again inflict his loozer reincarnation on HS.

MAGYARKOZÓ

wrfree
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Re: the description of freaks namely those not considered ‘normal’..

Perhaps for reflection: when the ‘nep’ are made notice of from political orations on high it would appear that some are more equal than others. What exists seem to be only the ‘deviants’ vs the ‘normals’. ‘Deviants’ here really could also be including those who do involve themselves in a sort of ‘thoughtcrime’ by not towing the main political lines.

If the translations are any indications language expression towards the negatively charged ‘exceptionals’ is well pretty free- flowing in the wind as it hangs out like dirty laundry within the media. Next up perhaps is they’ll make some movies on it. They already have the scripts.

exTor
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I viewed the video of the EchoTV interview of Edina Pottyondi before I read Éva’s piece. Edina impressed me with her poise. Although I understood most of what went down, my ability with Hungarian isn’t sufficient that I can always ascertain nuance [finomság]. I did pick up on the stupidity of the interviewer (a near deadringer for that racist scumbag Zsolt Bayer) who asked whether Edina (or anybody) would try gay-to-straight conversion, which only idiot Republicans in the United States now propose. I’ll have to check out the Budapest Pride events one of these days. My hometown Toronto is reputed to have the 2nd-largest or the 3rd-largest homosexual population in North America, perhaps after San Francisco. Pride Week is a big party in Toronto. The Pride parade, which I checked out once or twice, is a huge event. Pride Week is such a nonissue that straight politicians have no problem endorsing it. Until a new government comes to power, gays in Hungary will still be marginalized compared to the West. The visible inclusion of gays in Momentum is a good thing, but it cannot be seen as a gay party. While Momentum has no chance in 2018, it has room… Read more »
Istvan
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For decades and decades the US Army has had soldiers and officers who were gay or bisexual and they were hidden. I knew several and never reported them, nor did they make advances towards me. Others also did not report those they believed were gay or bisexual. Their lives in the service were likely ones of deep fear, yet the few I knew of served with honor and distinction. Gyorgy Faludy the famous Hungarian author of “My Happy Days in Hell” served in the US Army during WWII as a closeted bisexual man and he served with honor. At one point in his famous story while serving prison time in a Hungarian Stalinist prison after his idealistic return to Hungary to help build democracy following WWII he reflects on a day dream. He dreams that his brothers in the US Army would come and be his liberators from the Stalinist hell he found himself in for the crime of being a social democrat. He dreams that his brothers would beat the shit out of the converted fascists who became Rákosi’s prison guards, he did not dream of his missed chances to have had sex with his brothers in arms. That… Read more »
wrfree
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Re: ‘new low’

Fascinating ad. Advertising historically seeks to bring about reflection and a change of perception to a stimulus whether it be a product, service or person that is being ‘sold’ to various groups. This one is interesting in that by coming across the advert a rider is invited to participate in reacting with it thus closing the circle of the whole ‘buying’ process.

But also as the crowd pours on they do not even know how unknowingly complicit they are with their leaders’ intentions. With each step their shoes do the dirty work of ‘action’ oriented propaganda.

Member

“They don’t have to exist. Single people, gays, Down Syndrome idiots, cannibals, religious fundamentalists, and militant animal rights activists don’t need to exist”

I read that a few times…this piece of Orbanist filth has not only classified Down Syndrome folk as “idiots” but also classified them in the same bracket as “cannibals”. I did get that right? Is this official Fidesz policy now? Will we see a question about their (along with gays and singles!!!!) demonisation in the next “National Referendum”?

Are they the next target for the scum regime?
Orban is evil, every single “journalist” that writes in his support is evil.
End of story.

Member

Democrat: “Is this the official Fidesz policy now?”

Of course not official.
Official: Zero tolerance.
Unofficial: Paying the hate mongerers

The same with antisemitism.

Observer
Guest

The anti gay attacks are just another lash out of the hate policies
Similarly to, e.g. US anti abortionists, animal rights or religious extremists would jump on any opportunity to brim withbrightous anger and unleash another wave of hatred. But they are in fact doing the devil’s job.

tappanch
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Orban is not willing to stop his anti-Soros propaganda campaign, this is his answer to the request of the head of the majority Jewish community.

https://888.hu/article-ezt-valaszolta-orban-viktor-a-mazsihisz-levelere

If Orban is so much worried about the invasion of refugees and migrants, he should be waging a propaganda war against Mrs Merkel and his good friend Erdogan !

Member

A.
A new low in the anti-Goldstein campaign.

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Le style est le régime même.

B.
Orban is not willing to stop his anti-Soros propaganda campaign, this is his answer to the request of the head of the majority Jewish community.

https://888.hu/article-ezt-valaszolta-orban-viktor-a-mazsihisz-levelere

If Orban is so much worried about the invasion of refugees and migrants, he should be waging a propaganda war against Mrs Merkel and his good friend Erdogan !

Member

This is the most morbid thing I have seen so far. The whole anti-Soros campaign has already reached a North Korean level of naïve fanaticism, but this – my God, that’s a human being, and whatever one thinks of Soros and his activities, having people symbolically trample on a human being’s face is something a civilized person / a civilized government simply doesn’t do.

Gretchen
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On my second visit to Hungary, maybe 2005, I went into a shop and saw door mats with two men’s faces printed on them. I had no Hungarian and knew little politically. So this isn’t so new–but the mats one had to buy, with the Soros picture one has no choice.

Member

Comparison of Slovakia, Romania and Hungary. The Hungarians are the least competitive, their economy grows slowest, they pay the most tax, and they are the least happy.

http://images.hvg.hu/image.aspx?id=283dc17e-7f17-4dd3-a0cb-a4a94ebb5272&view=106D89B2-7F05-44DF-917D-93EF40E228F7

exTor
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A couple of months ago, my concluding paragraphs had the following: “I am reminded of the Budapest explosion of September 2016, one that injured a cop, one that stenches of an inside job, occurring shortly before Orbán’s antirefugee referendum, perhaps something akin to the September 1999 Russian-apartment bombings, postulated by some to be inside jobs perpetrated by the Russian government to target Chechens.” “Who knows, if next summer Viktor sees the writing on the wall, he might consider taking out a wall (or more) to strengthen his propaganda hand.” That was May 4th. Last week I spoke with a neighbor, who is as antiOrbán Hitler as I. Reffing Gyurcsány’s Öszöd speech, he feels that the subsequent Budapest disturbances had been caused by proFidesz elements. Whether Fidesz itself caused [read: orchestrated] the mayhem or whether elements Fidesz-sympathetic (though not tied to Fidesz) took it upon themselves to stir shit up is not clear. More likely the former: another inside-Fidesz job. Remember the petition incident [February 2016] where goons (likely Fidesz-connected, read: Fidesz-paid via the Fradi soccer club) impeded a petition István Nyakó attempted to submit to the National Election Office. Dirty political tricks exist worldwide, however we know more about the… Read more »
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