Viktor Orbán, the leading statesman of Europe

I’m not sure whether it is worth devoting a whole post to the latest Orbán speech at the Tusnádfűrdő/Băile Tușnad gathering of Fidesz leaders, especially after I waded through the dreadfully boring text. A reporter from one of the Hungarian internet sites asked some people in the audience after it was all over what particular sentence or idea they thought was most memorable. The less imaginative ones just stood there mum, while a clever middle-aged lady in a state of rapture announced that “every word the prime minister uttered” was equally unforgettable. How clever.

The most “exciting” moment of the event was a sight to behold. Muscled-up Szekler “gentlemen” began roughing up a woman who foolishly braved the crowd alone to protest the building of the Paks II Nuclear Power Plant. One of her attackers dragged her to the ground by her hair. Judging from what we can see on the video, the incident could have ended very badly.

I don’t know how other people will judge this speech, how others will interpret the speaker’s state of mind, but my overarching impression is that Viktor Orbán is afraid. This judgment might surprise some people, especially since most people, just like Péter Magyari of 444.hu, would undoubtedly find the speech little more than an attempt to explain “why he is the most important person in the world today.” It was precisely this extended and continuous self-aggrandizing that made me suspicious that the Hungarian prime minister is not as self-assured as he would have us believe.

Let’s start with “the strengthening of the Visegrád 4 countries,” which he considers to be the most momentous event for Europe in the last 12 months. Admittedly, there was the U.S. presidential election and the French presidential and parliamentary elections, which “swept away the whole French party system,” but they fade in comparison to the reality that “the cooperation of the Visegrád 4 has become closer than ever before.” Of course, he takes credit for this feat. But even a superficial perusal of the international media tells a different story. The coming reform of the European Union will most likely force these four countries to make choices that may vary according to their perceived national interests. Orbán’s claim that “Warsaw, Prague, Bratislava, and Budapest speak the same language” might have been true regarding their position on the refugee issue, but it is most likely a very temporary phenomenon. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s meeting with the Visegrád 4 may have served Israeli interests, but it had no appreciable effect on the cohesion of the alliance.

From his alleged diplomatic success he moved on to his incredible foresight in recognizing ahead of everybody else that the days of global, supranational elites are over and that the future will be in the hands of “patriotic national leaders.” Here, I believe, he is thinking of the U.S. presidential election, because the description fits only the political system Donald Trump is trying to create, for the time being without much success. In Europe, most likely to the chagrin of Orbán, those extreme right-wing leaders whom Orbán calls “patriotic political leaders” have not yet emerged–with the exception of Poland, and let’s hope that the European Union will muster its courage and ensure that the Polish “disease” does not spread across Europe.

It is a well-known fact that Orbán, who spent his first 14 years in a small village, is no friend of Budapest, where he never felt quite at home. Yet now he decided to brag about the country’s capital as the only city between Vienna and Istanbul that is a metropolis. As he put it, “our capital is capable of serving more than the Hungarian state.”

Naturally, a good portion of the speech was devoted to the refugee crisis and the dire situation that awaits Europe, which will inevitably be Islamized. He repeated his usual arguments, especially about the alliance of George Soros and the Brussels bureaucrats. The only noteworthy passage from this section of the speech was Orbán’s claim that his determined anti-migrant policies saved Europe “from the migrant invasion.” Therefore, “next year’s Hungarian election will be a special one because all of Europe will have a stake in it.” If he loses the election, his political opponents will take down the fence he built and will allow immigrants into the country. Thus, “they are ready to hand over the Europeans of today to a new future continent with a mixed population.” There are forces in Europe that want to see a change of government in Hungary because they want to weaken the Visegrád 4 alliance and, with it, the whole of Central Europe.

From this rant I think we can hypothesize that Orbán is actually worried about the outcome of the election, however crazy this sounds given the utter disarray in which the opposition finds itself at the moment. The incredible effort Orbán has expending lately urging all Romanian-Hungarians to vote is telling. At the last national election 97% of Romanian-Hungarians voted for Fidesz. So virtually all votes coming from there will be cast for Orbán’s party. Fidesz has managed to get close to a million people to register and the campaign is still under way. Second, the reference to certain political forces that want to weaken the Visegrád 4 alliance is also a telling sign of his worries about the stability of the group.

So, what kind of a picture emerges from all this? He is a politician who wants to portray himself as the leading statesman of Europe. In addition, he, and not Donald Trump, was the harbinger of the “patriotic leader” whose main concern is national interest. He was the man who saved Europe from a migrant invasion. Budapest is destined for greater things than being the capital of Hungary. And finally, his rule over the country is so important that all Europeans must keep fingers crossed for his political survival because otherwise Europe as we know it will be lost. It’s no wonder that the opposition claims that Orbán has lost his sense of reality. Yet, all that brings to mind the saying about the man who whistles in the dark although, in fact, he is fearful of the world around him.

July 22, 2017
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Ex_Hu_Can
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Eva, it is amazing how quick you are in publishing important articles. Your blog is a learning experience how to evaluate events such as the Tusnádfürdöi Orbán speech. I agree with you that “we can hypothesize that Orbán is actually worried about the outcome of the election” or rather I could go further to be sure about it as there in no sure victory before the votes are counted (e.g. Hillary Clinton’s lost presidential bid). For him I guess the number of seats rather than the re-election is at stake. He needs 2/3rd majority to continue his realm and he does whatever it takes to get it. Can you blame him? The other conclusion you came to “the reference to certain political forces that want to weaken the Visegrád 4 alliance is also a telling sign of his worries about the stability of the group” is also correct. In his view (and perhaps in reality too) as long as the group of V4 is strong and stick together they can have a powerful influence on what happens in the EU. Ironically the EU is in a peculiar situation because of the 100% rule and the four countries can stop practically… Read more »
exTor
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Well old1956, you’re an Orbánista, so you say what you feel to be a truth, namely Orbán will win in 2018. I’m antiOrbán [Orbán ellenes] and I will match your truth with my reality: Orbán will in 2018, however not with a two-thirds majority, notwithstanding your “finetuning the next ⅔ victory”.

Orbán knows full well that all the US polls predicted a Hillary Clinton win, yet Donald Trump won. All the current Hungarian polls predict a Viktor Orbán victory next year, however things can change mightily between now and then. A big issue can arise dumping Orbán on his ass.

The biggest worry for Orbán is the Trump factor: the antis, those who have kept their opinions to themselves, the people who were never polled. A lot of antiOrbán Magyars could be voting against Fidesz next spring.

MAGYARKOZÓ

old 1956
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ex tor, i am glad you are anti-o.
all decent people should be a-o.
it would be useful to understand the magic hold of fidesz to power.
can u explain it without the putin aspect?

exTor
Guest

Succinctly, because I dont want to dwell on Orbán for an Orbánist, Orbán’s hold on power has nothing to do with Putin. Viktor Orbán manipulates the Magyar public, which (amongst other things) he does with his various campaigns [kampányok], most recently his antisemitic antiSoros plakátok.

Those who support Donald Trump know that he lies, but they dont care. Those who support Viktor Orbán dont know that he lies, that he deceives. Orbán’s supporters believe that he tells the truth.

Orbán Viktor átveri a népet. A Fidesz zseb teljesít.
Ez a maffia kormány ellopja az országot.

MAGYARKOZÓ

petofi
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exTor

Shame on you, you rank apologist! Trying to make it seem as the hapless, moronic, Hungaricoes are responsible. Nope. Orban is in power after 7 years because the Russians want him there. I believe Vickie is ready to pop the corks and move out with his billions, but the Russkies still need him…and there’s nothing as powerful as Moscow persuasiveness with a couple of vials of plutonium to help discussions along-

petofi
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@exTor

The problem with your analyses is that both the American and Hungarian systems were/are manipulated. Vickie will give himself a 2/3…and three scoops of Haagen Daisz to boot.

Melanie Zuben
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Just for the record:
My URL was changed by somebody. The last three letters are missing (Z48). If someone clicks on my name, they are re-directed to a so-called “Amazon” site, with a following message: “Meet the dogs of Amazon”. Last night when I’ve noticed this the first time, Jeffrey Archer was on the top of the “search” list, when I clicked on “search”. (We all know that Archer is not exactly a Nobel Prize for Literature material, however, he had sold more of his books than some of the Nobel Prize winners.) You might think that this is funny, but I’m not laughing! (Photos taken of this for future reference)

Also, please note that I’m the ONLY person on this blog who provides alternative comments (my last comments can be found under “Andras Heisler’s speech”). So far the commentators here have destroyed (viciously and maliciously I might add) the credibility of every single person who dared to have a different view re: Hungarian issues.

My upcoming book title is: “Woman Destroyed”. (Cat lover publishers welcome)

Warty
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After this essay, Orban will be defeated.

Ferenc
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“incredible effort Orbán has expending lately urging all Romanian-Hungarians to vote”
About a week ago OV (as PM of Hungary) send a letter to Hungarians all over the world with a double nationality, encouraging them to register to vote and ‘informing’ them about what’s (for OV&Fidesz) at stake at the coming 2018 elections. The ‘info’ in the letter about the elections was similar as what OV told his audience at Tusnádfűrdő/Băile Tușnad.
In any fair operating democratic country such a letter is out of the question. It should be by an independent election authority or it could be by a participating political party, but NEVER by the PM himself, in name of his function.
The Egyutt party protested already against the letter at the election office, and claimed that this letter has to be considered a part of Fidesz&Co’s election campaign. The office replied that they are not able (yet) to judge the claim as the official campaign time incl.the offices competence only starts 3 months before election. Probably Egyutt will now go to the ‘Kuria’, the highest judicial authority of Hungary, but don’t expect a fair judgment from there, you all know why…..
https://444.hu/2017/07/17/orban-levelet-irt-a-kettos-allampolgaroknak
http://nepszava.hu/cikk/1135226-orban-level—erdemi-vizsgalat-nelkul-elutasitott-az-nvb comment image

Ferenc
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What really started ringing all my alarm-bells about the send around ‘info’, were the following OV lines in the letter:
“waiting for 100 years” and
“in the coming years we will have to take destiny-defining decisions, which will have impact on the Hungarian people in the whole Carpathian basin”

For me OV is here continuing in his very very wrong direction, which indeed can democratically only be stopped in next year’s election.
So please Hungarian people think for yourselves, and personally judge if this is the path you like your country to continue following? Note that there is very little time left to turn your ship and direct it back into real democratic waters.
If the direction will not be changed (preferably some 180 degrees),
I have as my biggest fears, that for you and all your compatriots [honfitársak] this will end in tears…

Guest

Eva, you nailed it:
<i Orbán has lost his sense of reality.
Germany and the other civilised Western EU nations are getting very angry at the little Balkan states (I always have to laugh when V4 claims: we are part of Central Europe …) and the EU will react to their actions.
The alternative would be to just ignore them – but take away the money, maybe that’s even better?

Ferenc
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About the sense of OV’s fear, Eva could be right, I suggest to start a new action:comment image

National Pottytation 2017 – 101% rejects bedwetting
“Don’t let ORBAN be wetting the toilet!”

gdfxx
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I am not sure who composed that sign, but the person does not speak Hungarian.

exTor
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Good point, gdfxx. I thought it looked/sounded bad, however I let it go. I’m surprised that Ferenc, who presumably is a native Hungarian speaker, did not comment on the grammar, which should have read “Ne hagyuk, hogy ORBÁN bevizezze az ágyat!”, translating to “Dont let ORBÁN wet the bed!”

MAGYARKOZÓ

Member

When asked about the assault on the female protester, my friend and yours, Fidesz caucus chairman Lajos Kosa, described her action as a provocation. “We condemn provocation as well as violence, it’s as simple as that. A normal person does not employ either violence or provocation.”

It is unclear whether his next comment was a direct quote (Index uses quote marks in one article, but not in the other.) In any case, the gist of it is “If a person wearing a jersey from another team sits in any B-center section, then security would take decisive action in that person’s own interest.”

Kosa is comparing Fideszers to football hooligans.

http://index.hu/kulfold/2017/07/22/kosa_lajos_tusvanyos_2017_balog_zoltan/

wrfree
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If this is football it conceivably is an initial ‘practice’ run for the upcoming event that VO wants to dearly win. Perhaps it’s not ‘F&D’ getting a pass to to get some running time in before the ‘big game?’ to deal with ‘provocation?’

‘Security’ is the name of the game now in the houses of VO and Trump. The latter looks a bit compromised in the mess around here he’s managed to bring about on that account. We just have to go to court down the line to get out of it and make POTUS answer for his actions. And VO ..well he’s a pro. He’s lining his ducks up in rows. He usually never has to worry about ‘courts’. Trump has to envy him.

Member
My thing with this (boring) speech was the lone protest-incident, then the videos shows a plain clothes person, without presenting himself as guard or any kind of of Law Enforcement Officer ‘saves’ the lone protester and throws her out of the restricted area. This person looks like a Law Enforcement Officer seems to belong to a personal protection detail, is wired (ear piece in left ear) and also armed (lower right back), which is not the norm for any hired guards for a public (but restricted) meeting. He also look more like an Hungarian Officer than a Romanian. He seem to be able to speak Hungarian as he interacts with the nearest crowd. My question is if he was part of Whorban’s Security detail and if he had a license from the Romanian Authorities to act as a Police Officer, armed and everything, on Romanian soil? If so, I would believe this will upset some Romanians, then I hardly think the opposite is allowed – Armed Romanian Police Officers roaming Hungarian soil keeping up order. If not, then this incident should qualify an International Incident. Whatever the actual handling of the protest shows that not enough uniformed local Police Officers… Read more »
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Thanks for this, Viking!

It becomes clear from this (as if one didn’t/couldn’t know beforehand …) that just like the other right wing populists (Trump, Putin, Erdogan, etc) O and his minions not only love the feeling of power – they love to use it (physically!) on anyone who doesn’t conform …
Why does this remind me of the SA/SS?

PS and totally OT:
How are you doing in this heatwave?
We only go out after 4 pm – to the Balaton beach …
So happy that we installed A/C in some rooms many years ago – 25 Celsius in our house is ok, but 30?

Member

Well, I reclaimed the space I initially built for my office in our house, but as it is on the roof, I am happy when the inside temperature is just 30 degrees…so far I am refusing air-conditioning, but this is the first Summer solely in Budapest for 15 years, so I may reconsider…on the other hand – 45 degrees for 6-8 hours should count as a sauna-session and being a Viking…

gdfxx
Guest

Can you imagine the reaction of that crowd to the presence of armed Romanian police?

Member

As long Whorban is on Romanian territory the safety and protection around him is a Romanian responsibility, even if whoever visiting official may be allowed to have an armed security detail for close protection.
What happened in Washington DC when Erdogan’s body-guards attacked anti-Erdogan protesters was on a similar diplomatic scale if this really was one of Whorban’s body-guards ejecting that lone protester in Romania. Obviously there was no security problem for Whorban that the Romanian Authorities could not deal with, if they were there (which seems to be a Good Question…).

Of course Fidesz refusal to let any other Police Force, even EUroPol, to act independently in Hungary just shows the normal hypocrisy by Fidesz. Fidesz/Hungary can do everything, nobody else may even think the thought.

Observer
Guest

Good point Viking,
I would have filed a complain with the Romanian authorities for being assaulted. Several such protests/ brawls and the fidesz goons won’t be able to do what they want in Romania.

Member

Beating up their womenfolk has long been part of right-wing Hungarian “culture” obviously now being exported by the Fidesz fascists.
All part of Orbán`s “Hungarian Family Values” presumably.

Peering too deeply into his diseased and evil mind and trying to make sense of the filth which festers there there is a futile exercise.

exTor
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Does this show the downslide of Hungary or of Orbán? Or of both?

Are we to believe that the photo you chose for Orbán the Mán, Éva, evinces an underlying insecurity that (despite the brave face) really manifests a basket of hidden worries about the 2018 election?

Perhaps we, the Hungarian Spectrum regulars, are merely projecting our near-universal dislike of Orbán Viktátor onto the Mán, mantling him with our wishfulfillment, however the reality (notwithstanding any presumed selfdoubt) is that Fidesz will win in 2018. That is the short-term future.

My hope for the long-term future of Hungary is one where Magyars will look back on Viktor Orbán as many Americans look back on Richard Nixon, seeing a deeply flawed individual, one who used the American presidency for his own ego, just as how many Americans now see Donald Trump.

It has been said that history is written by the victors, the implication being that the winners get to craft retroreality, however the winners of the future will be those who outlive today’s reality as Orbán slithers toward fascism.

MAGYARKOZÓ

petofi
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“A basket of hidden worries…”

Right.
I don’t know what basket or what worries I would have if I had billions of euros offshore at my disposal; and, most likely, a mansion in Kensington.

wrfree
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More and more it appears the winds and clouds hovering over the Magyar and Lengyel orszags and with a lttle help from Rossiya have slowly edged on over to cover Europe and haved move steathily on to the US. It’s as if the US exists in an almost murky poisonous fog making it difficult to peer through. Seems to tie in well to POTUS’ refusal to not get involved with the Paris climate change accords. This is a leader who apparently must love to breathe in the ’emissions’ that have traveled so far now to choke and bring on a sort of chaos to the country within the body politic and now to the interrelationships of government branches. Truth, transparency and honesty have appeared to be now replaced by evasion, successive prevarication and a dissembling to the American people that hasn’t been seen for awhile. Lately it’s been hard to get truthful sentences out of the mouths of some politicians including POTUS. We should not be surprised that this POTUS as a presidential tyro has learned much from sitting on the knee of his apparently erstwhile friend Putin and now is getting a lesson on how Orban and Kaszynski go… Read more »
Observer
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petofi

Having millions of euros stashed in secret accounts is good, until a state starts chasing with corruption and other indictments, witness assorted dictators, presidents and PMs around the world. Of course Orbán can find some respite in Azerbaijan or like places, but it will be still life on the run.

petofi
Guest

The best I know, London is a haven.

Besides, there is no people like the Hungaricoes ever ready to get their palm greased–Orban would buy himself out of any situation.

Ferenc
Guest

The latest poll by Vasarnapi Hirek/Publicus Intezet:
http://www.publicus.hu/blog/kulso_veszelyek_es_a_soros-kampany_megitelese/
“Dangers from Outside and Judgment of the (anti-)Soros Campaign”

Most interesting results:
-emigration by Hungarians (54%) is considered a bigger than the appearance/arrival of refugees (39%)
-Soros is by most considered as dangerous to Hungary (43% against 35%)
-way too much advertising for both the referendum and anti-Soros campaign (average 72 against 23%)
-anti-Soros campaign considered a complete waste of money (73 against 20%)

Fidesz ‘supporters’ showing of course opinions closer to the government’s policies, but far from showing to be an army of blind followers [does this indicate hope for a change? keep fingers crossed!]

exTor
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You need to grow up, Melanie Zuben, a perhaps-strange piece of advice that is not inappropriate even for someone on the cusp of her 8th decade.

Dont flatter yourself, there is nothing special about your proFidesz blather, which is rather easy to demolish, NWS your selfperspect. You are definitely no intellectual heavyweight, a parallel of your lit gravitas.

Nobody really cares about you, Ms. Zuben, except perhaps to respond to your occasional inanities. Nobody here would undertake to sabotage your alternate existence as an Australian Amazon-lit queen.

You bring out the worst in some people, and for sure our numerical wolfi should not have told you to eff off, but that’s the way it sometimes goes with someone who annoys this forum, as you do, like you do.

My advice to you, Ms. Melanie, is to forget trying to foist your dubious lit onto this readership, stick to the issue –MAGYARORSZÁG– at hand, offer your positions respectfully and thoughtfully, meaning that you should proofread your points to preclude semantic/spelling mistakes.

Remember, you are not special.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Melanie Zuben
Guest

Wow! I look pretty special for someone in her 8th decade, don’t you think? 🙂 Who would’ve thought that I will look this hot at my age!? 🙂
Re: correcting typos/ proofreading
As you know, I am not a regular member, therefore I don’t have access to the same facility as you have after I post my comment (as you should know). Also, I am not a paid commentator.
How about YOUR spelling mistakes or “petofi’s or “wolfi’s”? You guys are supposedly commenting in your capacity as “intellectual heavyweights”, what’s your excuse ?
Re: your advice to (ME) to offer my post respectfully
Are you kidding!? Are you addressing me?? YOU are talking about RESPECT?!
I have trust in the intellect of Eva’s readers, (regardless of their political persuasion), let them make an assessment.
Also, I need an urgent answer: who manipulated my URL and why? I’m afraid your usual abusive response will NOT be good enough this time.

Remember: I am special! 🙂 Do not ever forget that!

Guest

Wtf are you writing about?
Yes, you are something special – but I’ve been asked not to tell …
I am not a paid commentator.
That goes for everybody here – are you implying that Soros pays people for writing here, little loonie girl?
Yes, I know I shouldn’t write that – but your accusations are so over the top …
Or do you have an idea where I could get some money for my comments?

Btw, since the new system had to be introduced where comments are all moderated (because your friends tried to destroy this site …) I can’t edit/correct/change my comments anymore after I’ve sent them – but who cares about a spelling error?
And I also lost my English spell checker – and English is only my third foreign language (after French and Latin) …

Ferenc
Guest

Re: being special

You’re so f*ckin’ special – I wish I was special

But I’m a creep – I’m a weirdo
What the hell am I doing here?
I don’t belong here – I don’t belong here

from: Radiohead – Creep (1992)

PS: don’t overestimate
yourself… you’re as special as
everybody else… is unique…

petofi
Guest
Melanie IS special…she’s a special sort of idiot. But among Hungarians, there’s such a great variety to choose from. I just got done watching my favorite Hungarian tv show on RTL–“Help. I’m in trouble.” A wonderful segment: a middle-aged couple and their teenage daughter live in a duplex with the owner and his wife. They have problems paying the rent. The owners have an offer: the husband is infertile and they asked their tenant if he would be willing to impregnate the wife. The tenant’s wife was against it but finally agreed because it would allow them to live rent free for six months…if the wife became pregnant. If not, they would owe the back rent. (Nor a fair deal to my mind.) Anyway, the spouses, understandably, became suspicious as the monthly meetings became longer. Then, the owner decided–being the brainier sort–to have the guy’s sperm tested. Result? He was infertile. Yes, but now the gay blade wondered how he could sire his own daughter! Well, he couldn’t. Turned out that many years back, when he was often out of town, the lonely wife sought out the companionship of his brother. They did it only once, but she became pregnant.… Read more »
exTor
Guest

Nem rossz, mint a magyar mondana, Melanie.

I dont make misakes, at least the spelling kind (most of the time). What you presume to be MY spelling mistakes [eg: aint, cant, dont, shant, wont, etcetera] are my linguistic stylisms, my writerly prerogative (which should be pronounced ‘PREE·rogative’). So, I go my own way with my own words, mostly in the form of poetry, but in other ways as well. I cant speak for petőfi or for wolfi. Perhaps they’re not as anal as I.

You’re up late, MZ. It was past 2 AM in your Oz.

As for respect, Ms. Zuben, nobody should diss you, even if you’ve been stupid (or let’s call it ‘annoying’) with your comments. And as for the URL that you contend was “manipulated”, I doubt that anybody here would have done it, however if it does turn out to be something that you yourself did NOT cause, then perhaps your URL will find its way back to normality.

MAGYARKOZÓ

petofi
Guest

Alright, Melania, you look hot.
Certainly not someone who writes animal books but perhaps stuff in the vein of, “She Likes It Thrice”.
Anyway, if you come to town, we can do the hot-tub thing at Seychenyi…

Guest

Petofi, this is Melanie – not Cicciolina … 🙂

Melanie Zuben
Guest
1/ – petofi, I don’t write “animal books”. My last book: “The Adventures of Electra Sittie, 2025” happens to be a Science Fiction. Here is a bit of an intro: “The year is 2025. Electra Sittie has an inquiring mind. She’s on a mission to expose vindictive cyber criminals, who are threatening the country of her origin: Rafinaltland. With the the help of her dog, “I-Bite-U” and her cat, “I-Scatch-U”, they embark on an adventure to save the remaining “Rafinalts” before their final destruction.” 2/ – exTor/Ferenc/wolfi “Melanie Zuben may have a real problem with her account, however the greater likelihood is that she somehow caused it herself and cant figure out how to remedy the situation, being marginally computer-capable.” Re: my computer-capability In your twisted Liberal mind, you want to convince the readers here that I changed my own URL to get some attention. Unbelievable arrogance! How about reading “The Adventures of Electra Sittie, 2025”? You could get a real intro into my “genetically inferior” mind. Finally, I’d really love to spend more time on defending myself, but I have to visit my DENTIST to collect my new set of pearly whites. I might need them for next time… Read more »
exTor
Guest

I dont think you selfsabotaged your URL, a purposeful act. Likely what occurred was not advertent.

I am not a Liberal, however I am at least a liberal ethically, though my politics are far to the left of the center that liberals occupy.

No need to “eat [us] up”, Ms. Zuben, just vacate this forum and you wont incur further stomach upset.

MAGYARKOZÓ

SmokingGuy
Guest

Thank you very much for your prompt hard work troubleshooting the problem. I hope it is successfully solved now. If this comment appears than obviously is.

Also thank you for your kind invitation. I will try to integrate into your “society” as much as my time allows which is my biggest deterrent from getting involved with blogs.

I found yours very interesting and I read it as much as I can. Not amused by some of the commenters’ language but the value for me is always in your articles not the brain leakage of some un-intellectual people. As you experienced my comment is linked to your thoughts not others.

Thank you again,

exTor
Guest

Not to worry about “the brain leakage of some unintellectual people”, SmokingGuy. Comes with the territory. It’s less-bad than before when HS had a lot of troll action, which (unfortunately for Éva and to a lesser extent for us) necessitated putting Hungarian Spectrum on comment moderation.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Ferenc
Guest

Spraying around HU GovernMental ‘info’ wasn’t limited to OV, his minions were also given a chance at Tusnádfűrdő/Băile Tușnad.
Here a short video featuring a.o.Mr.Cleaner and Mr.Piece of Shit, official respective functions wrestler and security expert.
http://index.hu/video/2017/07/21/biztonsagpolitika_tusvanyos/
All giving their opinions aka.spraying more lies about migrants and migration, as usual putting refugees and terror in the mixer till everything is to pieces, even my patience. Luckily the XL bucket at hand was just big enough to catch all what spontaneously changed it’s direction from into to out of my stomach.
If I ever will meet Mr.Piece of Shit aka.Bakondi Gy., I hope he’ll keep his mouth shut, because otherways I might not be able to withhold myself delivering him in his own sh*ty pieces to his boss.

exTor
Guest

Now THIS is a gut response !!!

MAGYARKOZÓ

gdfxx
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Reaction from transindex.ro: “Az év egyik legfontosabb beszédét várták a magyar miniszterelnöktől Tusnádfürdőn, de ezúttal semmi újat nem mondott. – a Transindex.ro portálról” (It was expected that Orban will give the year’s most important speech but this time he said nothing importrant).

Source: http://itthon.transindex.ro/?pp=29

Observer
Guest

Orbán is not even the leading rat/skunk spoling the European environment, Kaczinski is four times bigger… Maybe Orban stinks more, don’t know..

Zoli
Guest

I think Orban is Europe’s Crazyhorse, and as such he should be afraid, given how things turned out for Crazyhorse and his people. All Europeans should be afraid!

Member

The Orbanist thug who assaulted the brave woman, Áron Borbáth, is actually a wedding photographer. Beating up the bride is one of his extra services?

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