Andrea Ladó says: “I’m the one who is at home in Tusványos, not Viktor”

Yesterday I read an article in The Washington Post about the two Republican female senators who, because of their opposition to the GOP health-care effort, face backlash from men in their party. Some of the comments even included possible physical retaliation. The author of the article believes that “the language of retribution” adopted by Republican men “reflects Trump’s influence.” When the leader of a party shows that it’s okay to use the kind of language Donald Trump used during his campaign, it “catches on at other levels.”

This development is nothing new for those of us who have watched political developments in Hungary and are only too aware of the shabby treatment the few female members of parliament have had to suffer in the last seven years by brutish males whose socialization in Fidesz circles practically destines them to behave in a manner that is anything but civilized. Viktor Orbán himself has never uttered any openly demeaning epithets about women, but he has made it apparent that he doesn’t consider them to be quite equal to men. Moreover, because of his firm belief that Hungarians should “be fruitful and multiply,” women necessarily must take a back seat behind the head of the family. After all, having five children, as the Orbáns do, is pretty much a full-time job for at least fifteen-twenty years of the mother’s life.

These thoughts came to mind when I was reading articles by government-hired hacks on the “provocation” by Andrea Ladó, a native of Transylvania, who had the temerity to go to Tusnádfürdő/Băile Tușnad with the intention of expressing her opposition to Viktor Orbán’s policies. She was armed with a parasol to which was attached a sign protesting RDE Hargita Kft., a Hungarian-owned company in Székelyudvarhely/Odorheiu Secuiesc whose activities apparently pollute the environment. In addition, she carried a whistle which she planned to use to express her frustration with Orbán’s policies.

Initially she hoped for a larger crowd because she had called on friends on Facebook, but in the end she was alone. A day before Orbán delivered his speech Tamás Pindroch, nowadays of Figyelő, Mária Schmidt’s recently acquired publication, got wind of the plan and predicted that whistling in Tusnádfürdő might not be such a good idea because “the Szeklers are not such long-suffering folks as those in Budapest. Their answer to a whistle blow is a punch.” He advised them to prepare for the worst. It’s not a good idea to take advantage of the hospitality of the Szeklers.

And indeed, in no time Andrea Ladó was grabbed by her hair and thrown to the ground. A brave Szekler warrior attacked her from the back, and after a brief struggle with a security guard she was led out of the crowd among screaming men and women. The attacker turned out to be the husband of an employee of the Hungarian consulate-general in Csíkszereda/Miercurea Ciuc. Since then Péter Szijjártó announced that the man’s behavior was “totally unacceptable,” and therefore he will no longer be employed by the Hungarian foreign ministry as an occasional photographer.

Since this incident, we have learned a fair amount about Andrea Ladó, who was not a stranger to the region. She was a Szekler herself, originally from the small town of Lövéte/Lueta. For the last seven years she has been working in Budapest as a software engineer. She describes herself as a former devotee of Viktor Orbán, but she slowly came to the conclusion that her idol is marching in a direction she finds abhorrent. The last straw was Orbán’s turn to Putin’s Russia. She is also passionate in her opposition to the extension of the Paks Nuclear Power Plant. The events in Tusnádfürdő provided the final push. She is planning to join LMP.

The government press published at least six or seven slanderous articles in which they spared her no abuse. She was accused of being on drugs and therefore incoherent. She staged the whole episode in cahoots with the “liberal media hyenas” to take attention away from the gravely important message of Viktor Orbán that sets the stage for Hungary in world affairs. How else could it happen that the cameraman of HVG photographed the scene from the very first minute on? Of course, the “journalists” who write this trash also try to minimize the seriousness of an attack by a musclebound man against a small, skinny woman, especially attacking her from behind. According to László Szentesi Zöldi of Pesti Srácok, one of the most despicable right-wing journalists around, the opposition papers make “a mountain out of a mole hill.” It might not be very brave to pull a woman’s hair, but “a provocateur must be ready for the worst.” Anywhere in the world provocateurs will be beaten, will be thrown to the ground, and eventually will be led away. “It’s not nice but it’s understandable.” Moreover, Szentesi-Zöldi continues, “this is Szekler land and not Dob utca,” which is a not too subtle reference to a possible connection between Index’s journalists and their Jewish background.

Another journalist from Pesti Srácok, Szilveszter Szarvas, on Lőrinc Mészáros’s Echo TV expressed his surprise that the good Szeklers didn’t grab a knife or an adze. His companion, also a right-wing journalist, even provided a video his crew took, which naturally didn’t include the actual attack on Andrea Ladó. Those who know some Hungarian should definitely spend a few minutes to get the flavor of this so-called panel discussion.

Ladó might have been slightly incoherent at the time, but she certainly wasn’t after she returned to Budapest and gave an interview to Olga Kálmán of HírTV. Her best line was: “I’m the one who is at home in Tusványos, not Viktor.”

And that leads me to an article I received from a reader of Hungarian Spectrum. It appeared in Transindex, an internet site from Kolozsvár/Cluj Napoca, and was written by Szilárd Horváth-Kovács, a faculty member at Babeș-Bolyai University. The title of the piece is a take-off on one of those Hungarian-language posters addressed to the “migrants” which warned them that they have to respect Hungarian culture. It reads: “If you come to Transylvania, you must respect our culture.”

Horváth-Kovács finds the Hungarian government’s efforts to force its own views on national-cultural identity based on “stable ethnic composition” on Transylvanian Hungarians unacceptable. The kind of nation state Orbán advocates is incompatible with the interests of the Hungarian minority in Romania, for obvious reasons. What if the Romanian government adopts such a policy? What will happen to the Hungarian minority? Further, he argues, cultural identity doesn’t depend on ethnic homogeneity. A slogan like “Europe belongs to the Europeans” also means that “Hungary belongs to the Hungarians.” Does it mean that “Romania belongs only to the Romanians”?

Orbán’s fight against Brussels is not in the interest of the Hungarian minority in Romania. It is the European Union that guarantees their rights. Transylvanian Hungarians cannot logically be opposed to George Soros’s open society because it is that concept translated into reality that allows them to keep their ethnic identity while they are loyal citizens of Romania. At the end of the article Horváth-Kovács explains that Viktor Orbán’s ideas about nation states, his attacks on NGOs, his denigration of human rights are all against the interests of the Hungarian minority. “We used to think that Hungary is our future, but now we believe that we are the future of Hungary,” which may bring a more peaceful, more tolerant, more open Hungary. The message is quite clear: please leave us alone. Your presence is suffocating, it takes the air away from us. Please go away.

July 28, 2017
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Jean P.
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“A slogan like “Europe belongs to the Europeans” also means that “Hungary belongs to the Hungarians.” Does it mean that “Romania belongs only to the Romanians”?”

No. It means that pre-Trianon Hungary belongs to the Hungarians.

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Jean P.
By your reasoning, that also means that America belongs to England.

Jean P.
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It is the Trianon obsessed Hungarian’s reasoning, not mine. Your example shows how absurd it is.

exTor
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Jean P. is correct in her rejection of the extension made by time4change. The point underscoring ‘Europe belongs to the Europeans’ is what Viktor Orbán makes of it, namely (per Orbán’s racist mindset) nonwhites should be excluded from Europe (or restricted).

There can be no slogan analogue involving America and Britain.

Jean P. is also correct in supposing that wetdream Hungarian irredentists could conceivably extend the Orbán slogan to go after those areas in Romania that have sizable ethnic-Magyar populations.

Of course, Romania could counter by saying that there are (now) more ethnic Romanians in Erdély, notwithstanding a few areas.

MAGYARKOZÓ

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Of course the crazy side of Europe belongs to the Europeans is that if Europe hadn’t colonised all the African and Asian countries we’d probably have no problem at all with their inhabitants …

And a note aside:
Most of the terrorist attacks in France, the UK (not sure about Germany) were done by people who as descendants of these colonised people had grown up and were living in their “new” home countries – so obviously something was wrong there, no successful integration – at least for some part of these people.
Why? Maybe because they were considered as a reservoir of “cheapworkers”?

vzir
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That map shows two independent modern day countries (Slovakia and Croatia) completely under Hungarian rule.

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It would be interesting to hear what the Romanians think of Viktor Orbán’s meddling in Romanian politics. I doubt they welcome it. The most hostile could even use it as a reason to drive the Szeklers out of the country, should the situation deteriorate…

seinean
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Rest assured that most Romanians deeply dislike Orbi’s annual “visits” in Transylvania. However he is entitled to come and go as he likes. Romania is a liberal democracy.

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I would like to post parts of an article from Sout Carolina, on the Reptilian brain, and the full link is below for those who are interested- “The basal ganglia, mid-brain and the brain stem are all part of the Reptilian Brain or R Complex. It’s the most primitive portion of the Mammalian Brain. The Reptilian Brain is our “basic animal self”. It does not encompass compassion, charity or love. There is nothing selfless or courageous about the Reptilian Brain. It is literally where we left “Caveman” status to become Thinkers and Philosophers and Conscious Beings”. “There is no religion in the Reptilian Brain because it contains no logic. There is no LOVE or IDEALS in the Reptilian Brain. It fears everything. It sees paranoia in all. It is always the victim of some future assault and it always considers anything outside of itself (including anything that looks, smells or sounds different) to be a threat. It does that because it considers everything as prey, predator or mate/family.” Andrea Ladó was clearly the prey of government sanctioned thuggery, initiated by the reptilian portion of Orbán’s brain. We should not be surprised at this acceleration of violence, since the goverment has… Read more »
wrfree
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‘Reptilian brain’. How apt.

Some geography. Life now by the Magyar ‘pond’. And apparently making lives for themselves ‘across the pond’ as well. The reptiles have slinked out from the Potomac.

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And regarding Ms. Lados it might behoove the ladies in Congress to consider inviting her to come together and spearhead some positive movement on the divisive health care issue. She’s an individual who puts action in the activist.

exTor
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“There is no religion in the Reptilian Brain because it contains no logic.” Huh? The logic of this sentence is: the brain with logic HAS religion. There might be a few atheists who would contend with that pearl of whatever.

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What Andrea Ladó did WAS a provocation, as many Fideszniks have said. I would not have done what she did, certainly not alone, as she supposedly was, which I find difficult to believe.

“Andrea Ladó was [NOT] the prey of government-sanctioned thuggery”, merely the victim of a Fidesznik’s reactive ‘heroic’ hairpull. Péter Szijjártó did the obvious thing and dumped the miscreant, a symbolic gesture since the ‘hero’ was merely a photographer at the Csíkszereda consulate, likely not getting much work there anyway. The wife of the ‘hero’ works there.

What Andrea Ladó did was a tactically idiotic (albeit brave) thing to do at that Orbán lovein. The crowd comprised 100s of Orbán heroworshippers, maybe even 1000s. Still, I’d give her a medal for her dumbass move.

MAGYARKOZÓ

seinean
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What topics were addressed by Orbi in his speech this year ? Apparently Andrea Ladó made everybody discuss about her instead of Orbi and his illiberal ways.

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Very well said!
Many Hungarians now seem to believe that “fascism light” is totally acceptable (Do you read me, Olga?) and the next step for the “Helfershelfer” will be real fascism – like with Trump.

Istvan
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None the less Trump, Orban, and Putin have their vast cadres of supporters. Their news is filtered for them and the world looks to them just fine with their strong leaders in control who are supposedly decisive. What is so bizarre here in the USA is we can have a former right wing fringe Senator, Jeff Sessions now the Attorney General under attack by Trump, whose appointment to federal judgeship in 1986 was rejected by a US Senate committee because he had made numerous racist statements. The committee had reviewed affidavits from a variety of Justice Department officials, documenting the racist remarks, one of which called a white civil rights attorney “a disgrace to his race” and another where he expressed admiration for the Ku Klux Klan. Yet now Sessions is being defended by the liberal media that wants the Russia investigations to continue and fears Trump will use removing Sessions as a prelude to to the dismissal of Robert Mueller who was appointed by the Justice Department as special counsel, overseeing the investigation into Russian involvement with the Trump campaign and administration. When the ideological pendulum swings so far as it has in Hungary, Russia, and now the USA… Read more »
wrfree
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Just want to add that in looking at the administration which can simply called ‘The Donny Trump Variety Hour’ where there are so many acts vying to ‘go down’. And it’s not a matter of if but when.

Trump is loved now by the illiberal Eur-Asian power mavens because he’s backed off from applying the democratic ‘pedal to the metal’. ‘Bizness’ with ‘deals’, the luxurious decadent life and not the complicated by politics of the day is the engaged strategy. Life in government service looks a ‘cabaret’ now for the sybarites. They’re in ease to please their acolytes.

Trump arguably is the best thing that could have happened to them. Now they can still be called ‘democrats’ and yet use the clubs in the closet when need be. It’s not a matter anymore of pushing ‘liberty’ around in a wheelbarrow but making sure the green stuff gets hauled back into it. Trump et al know gelt buys everything. But they should remeber like the Beatles… ‘Money can’t buy ya love’.

exTor
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https://www.youtube.com/embed/SnSMBwjZaGY

I recommend this riveting 48-minute BBC documentary about the Trump family, starting from the grandfather coming over from Bavaria, Germany.

There are many interesting revealed details that, when linked to Donald Trump, are unsurprising. The DJT psyche is put in its place.

MAGYARKOZÓ

wrfree
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Fascinating insight of his life. After what this country has enabled him to do I’m afraid it doesn’t appear to register at all in his lack of empathy with those who perhaps view the country as ‘new life’ or ‘reinvention’. That’s what happens perhaps with provincial ‘Queens’ guys when they get too big and too near ‘powah’.

His brother Freddy wasn’t made for the ‘biz’. It’s just possible Donald Trump wasn’t made to be POTUS. Each to his own in the game of life. We shall see though how it goes in Trump’s world where there are new and zany adventures every day. To paraphrase Mr. Kovacs, ‘hey there’s always a story!’.

exTor
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There is NO empathy in Trump for anybody, as the video stated, because empathy is counterproductive to ‘good’ business. Fred Jr, the first son, the one who drank himself to death, couldn’t cut it as a businessman, having been chosen to take over for his father, so the ‘calling’ was passed over to the Donald. The video alludes to eugenics, the science of improvement through gene selection, with which the Nazis became involved. Donald Trump more than once mentioned (or alluded to) genetics as the necessary precondition for creating good businessmen, which his father also believed. The video said that Trump’s father [Fred] was a better businessman than the son. https://www.youtube.com/embed/SnSMBwjZaGY?start=2808 Check the link, which takes you to the section where the video talks about the belief the Trumps [father & son] have about the superiority of their genes. It then shows the DJ bragging about his son Barron –a pretentious name that speaks more about Donald Trump’s ego than anything else– whom (as a 9-month-old) Trump is introducing to the public. Some –not I– might consider it ironic that Trump, with his supposed superior genetics, could beget a son whom some presume to be autistic, which may have something… Read more »
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Yes, older men run a greater risk of begetting autistic children – also happened to a friend of mine: Asperger syndrome …
Just a small correction re Trump’s ancestry:
The Trump family comes from the “Pfalz” (west of the river Rhine) which in the 19th Century belonged to Bavaria – just as my hometown near the Black Forest belonged to Austria (and therefore was mainly Catholic, surrounded by Protestants …) until Napoleon cleaned up.

exTor
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I dont understand your “small correction”, wolfi. Didn’t I write that Trump’s grandfather came from Bavaria, which is what you wrote.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kallstadt#Heinz_and_Trump_families

Friedrich Trump came from Kallstadt (also the home of HJ Heinz, the founder of the food conglomerate and related to the Trump family) which was a part of Bavaria, but now is a part of Rhineland-Palatinate.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/SnSMBwjZaGY?start=571

When I wrote that “the grandfather coming over from Bavaria”, that was then true and remained true until after WW2, when Bavaria was relocated.

You should see the video. If you click my link, then the video starts at the point where the grandfather goes back to Bavaria, which would not grant him a renewed citizenship because Friedrich had not done his military service. He was deported from the country of his birth, so Trump went back to America again, and the rest (as they cliché) is history.

MAGYARKOZÓ

vzir
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Propaganda is portraying this lady drugged up and paid by Soros, I mean by Facebook comments.

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ExTor, Kallstadt has nothing in common with Bavaria (the country of conservative beer drinkers :)) it was just under the rule of the Bavarian kings – it’s not even geograpically related to Bavaria, lying far away, west of the river Rhine (it’s a big wine producer also).
That’s all I wanted to add.

PS:
People there probably wouldn’t even understand a real Bavarian speaking his dialect – and vice versa …

exTor
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http://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-ancestry-forefathers-kallstadt

Interesting article about how Kallstadters feel about Trump, wolfi. Some Trump relatives still ‘reside’ in Kallstadt.

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Saying that Kallstadt has nothing in common with Bavaria is like saying that Toronto has nothing in common with British Columbia. Both are true statements, but so what. Kallstadt and Bavaria are both parts of Germany, Toronto and British Columbia are both parts of Canada, the difference being that Toronto was never a part of British Columbia, however Kallstadt was once a part of Bavaria (when Friedrich Trump was born). My point.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/SnSMBwjZaGY?start=571

I get your point about the regional differences, however you did not make the direction of your “correction” obvious to me. If you haven’t yet seen the Trump video, do so. It will be very instructive. If you click above, then you will understand why I said what I did, wolfi.

How did you end up nested under vzir’s comment?

MAGYARKOZÓ

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Extor, re nesting – probably my fault …
Re “belonging to Bavaria”:
My point was that these kingdoms were kind of random – someone inherited some piece of land (including the inhabitants !!!) and suddenly you and a few thousand people were suddenly Bavarians, or Austrians or Prussians – without having any connection at all to your new ruler …

Why I remember this crazyness in Germany:
(I wrote about this before)
One of the aspects of this was the rule:
Cuius regio eius religio – if your new ruler was Catholic then everybody had to convert to Catholicism, and the same went for protestantism …
So I grew up in an island of Catholics because the town had belonged to Catholic Austria two hundred years ago while all the villages around us were protestant…

Luckily for us this is all history now, religion is dying out.

Jean P.
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“Luckily for us this is all history now, religion is dying out.”

In your parish or in the world?

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Afaik in all civilised coutries in the West eg young people re no longer interested in religion – for the rest of the world it’s just a matter of time.

Rather OT:
I met an Egyptian professor again on a friend’s birthday and we had great fun exchanging stories from our past. He remembered clearly when that friend (biology prof) visited Egypt as a scientist many years ago and his parents tried to convert the visitor to Islam – of course they didn’t know that their son was as atheist as the visitor …
Both of them are friends of R Dawkins btw – I got one of hos books as a present with a dedication …

But of course with simple minded people it might be different everywhere – look at all the Flat Earthers and fans of Noah’s Ark in the USA …

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