Extradition of Yerzhan Kadesov to Kazakhstan, with Hungarian assistance

In order to understand the ins and outs of today’s post about the extradition of Yerzhan Kadesov, a Kazakh national, from Hungary to Kazakhstan, I’m afraid I have to start with Mukhtar Ablyazov, the founder of Democratic Choice of Kazakhstan (DCK), a political party which was supposed to be a counterforce against the regime of Nursultan Nazarbayev, the Kazakh dictator who has been in power ever since 1984. Soon enough Ablyazov was accused of embezzling $5 billion from Bank Turan Alem (BTA).  He fled the country and settled in France, where he was subsequently detained by French authorities. Russia sought his extradition, but the human rights groups Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch took up his case. Last December he was released on the grounds that Russia had a political motive in making the extradition request.

Yerzhan Kadesov / Source: Interfax.kz

It was not only Ablyazov who fled Kazakhstan but several of his colleagues, whose extraditions were also sought and denied for the same reason. One of the lesser associates of Ablyazov was Yerzhan Kadesov, who escaped from Kazakhstan in 2009, first settling in Ukraine. After a while, however, fearing that the pro-Russian Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych might extradite him, he moved to Hungary in 2012. Two years later Kazakhstan issued a warrant for his arrest, and in 2016 the Hungarian authorities detained Kadesov on the grounds that he was a national security risk. A Polish human rights group called Open Dialogue Foundation moved into action on Kadesov’s behalf. They released an urgent call to stop the extradition, pointing out that there is a good possibility that “Hungary is in the service of the Kazakhstani dictator” in handling the case.

Kadesov’s case is closely tied to that of Zhaksylyk Zharimbetov, Kadesov’s supervisor at BTA, who in January 2017 was kidnapped by Kazakhstani security forces in Turkey, where he enjoyed refugee status. Soon enough Zharimbetov began “to reveal Ablyazov’s crimes.” Based on his testimony, the Kazakh court sentenced Ablyazov to a 20-year jail term in absentia.

The Kazakh authorities seem to be using Zharimbetov to convince other fugitives to return to Kazakhstan. This is what happened in Kadesov’s case. It seems that the Hungarians helped the Kazakhs in their endeavor by allowing telephone calls from Zharimbetov to Kadesov while Kadesov was in jail in Hungary. Moreover, Kazakh diplomats in Budapest were free to visit him. But ODF claims that Hungarian human rights organizations were prevented from providing legal assistance to the incarcerated Kadesov. The Kazakh fugitive steadfastly denied his guilt for about six months, but in the middle of June he confessed and asked to be extradited to Kazakhstan. ODF claims that Kadesov was pressured via threats to his relatives in Kazakhstan “with the knowledge and assistance” of the Hungarian authorities.

Index also got hold of the story, though fairly late in the game. Index’s source, I assume, was the Polish ODF. In the middle of June Index sent inquiries to the ministry of interior concerning the Kadesov case but got no answer whatsoever. This surprised the journalists because in the past they always got answers, even if they were fairly meaningless.

The first thought that came to my mind when reading this story was the Hungarian decision to extradite Lieutenant Ramil Safarov to Azerbaijan. During the summer of 2004 NATO’s Partnership for Peace organized a two-month program for officers from the member states in Budapest. Both Armenia and Azerbaijan joined the Partnership when it was established in 1994. The young officers were supposed to study English in the Hungarian capital. Ramil Safarov, an Aziri national, purchased an ax locally, and one night when the Armenian officer Gurgen Margaryan was asleep, he brutally hacked him into pieces. He practically severed the Armenian officer’s head. During his trial Safarov freely admitted that his only reason for killing Margaryan was that he was an Armenian. He showed no remorse for his crime. In addition, while in jail he attacked the guards, for which he received two and a half years in a separate trial. In 2006 the verdict was announced: he received a life sentence for premeditated murder.

Between 2006 and 2012 the Azeris tried to convince the Hungarian government to let Safarov serve his sentence in Azerbaijan, but the Gyurcsány and Bajnai governments steadfastly refused the request, knowing full well that he would immediately be released since the Azeri government and people considered Safarov a national hero. However, after Péter Szijjártó’s visit to Azerbaijan in June 2012, a deal was struck between the Orbán government and the government of Ilham Aliyev for Safarov’s release from Hungarian custody. And indeed, just as predicted, Safarov was greeted at home as a national hero and immediately received clemency from the president. The minister of defense bestowed on him the rank of major.

A Kazakh fugitive who is extradited today won’t be as fortunate as Safarov. Other countries where Kazakh fugitives sought shelter–Great Britain, Spain, the Czech Republic–have all refused to extradite them to Kazakhstan and/or Russia. Hungary is the odd man out. I assume that by now Kadesov is already in a Kazakh jail, where apparently he can’t expect a fair trial. Of course, this case will not create such an outcry as the Safarov case did. After all, it was a murder case. Safarov’s release by the Hungarian government also had serious diplomatic consequences. After the incident the Armenian government broke off diplomatic relations with Hungary, adding that “the Armenian nation will never forgive” Hungary for what happened. Diplomatic relations between the two countries haven’t been restored since.

On the other hand, Hungarian relations with Kazakhstan have been close ever since 2012. Who can forget Viktor Orbán’s speech during his visit to Kazakhstan: “We believe that we are equal partners within the European Union but originally we were strangers there. When we go to Brussels, we have no relatives there. But when we come to you in Kazakhstan we are at home. This is a strange feeling that people have to go to the East in order to feel at home. Therefore, it is always with great pleasure that the Hungarian delegation comes here.” Surely, one cannot say ‘no’ to such a good friend. Denying extradition might spoil their wonderful friendship.

August 10, 2017
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Ferenc
Guest

RE: OV’s speech in Kazakhstan (2015.Apr)
About the “we” in his quote, was there done research/poll under the Hungarian people about where they more feel at home, in the EU/Brussels or in Kazakhstan? I’m very interested in results, if any!
PS: will OV ever ask residence permit (or even asylum) in Kazakhstan? You can place your bets now…

wrfree
Guest

Perhaps a country’s lament…

‘The world breaks everyone and afterward many are strong at the broken places. But those that will not break it kills. It kills the very good and the very gentle and the very brave impartially. If you are none of these you can be sure it will kill you too but there will be no special hurry’. Hemingway

So Kazakhstan it is and on to the comforting and calling ‘Eastern’ beacons as it has apparently taken a few millenia to finally ‘uncover’ the dangerous light of the lost cradle of the ancient homeland. Dangerous it is for those who fumble and continually ‘put themselves on’ as to who they are.
For it’s almost as if ‘going home’ is just an off-kilter cultural trek to go off into a part of the globe’s ‘corner’ and simply die.

Birthright
Guest
Reading the Foundation Statue of the Open Dialogue Foundation, especially the financial part raises the question; Who is behind this organization? I try to understand what ODF has to do with this case and why do they reach over borders rather than keeping their activities within Poland. Hungary has enough NGO’s that could pick up Mr. Yerzhan Kadesov’s case and if none of them did so it must be because they see this issue unjustified to get involved with. Let’s face it, there are many-many corrupt people in the former Soviet Union and it doesn’t require wild imagination to accept that the individuals named in this article indeed embezzled sizable assets from the Bank Turan Alem. This wouldn’t be the first time in the history of the” after the fall of the Berlin wall era”, would it be? Just think of our own MNB’s Central Wechsel- und Creditbank AG (CW Bank) 70 billion HUF scandal. So why is Hungarian Spectrum so concerned about Mr. Yerzhan Kadesov’s when we have so much to worry about. Is there any benefit to the Hungarian People or the Nation refusing extradition of a fugitive who is being sought by the country he escaped from… Read more »
Ferenc
Guest

“Hungary has enough NGO’s that could pick up Mr. Yerzhan Kadesov’s case and if none of them did so”
Amnesty Int. Magyarország picked up, they wrote to Trócsányi, minister of justice, although this seems to be done after the Polish ODF and Index.hu articles.
http://www.amnesty.hu/news/2392/ne-adjak-ki-a-magyar-hatosagok-jerzan-kadesovot-kazahsztannak

“is there any benefit to the Hungarian People or the Nation”
The benefit is that this case makes clear to the public that the policy of the Hungarian government considerably differs from other EU (and V4) countries, i.e.HU co-operates with dictatorial regimes!

PS: regarding ODF actions over the Polish border, well they started from contacts with Ukraine and devote special attention to Russia, Ukraine and Kazakhstan – see http://en.odfoundation.eu/p/11,faq1

Birthright
Guest

I understand Ferenc, but my problem is that so many entities stick their nose into Hungary’s affairs that the field is getting overcrowded. We are not cronies to copy other countries and if we think that what other EU countries do is not in our interest we will not do what is expected from back-boneless servants. Even if it is the EU, which in the opinion of the majority of Hungarians living here and not abroad is “running fast in the wrong direction”.

Everybody should try cleaning up in front of their house rather than the neighbors’. We are fast approaching the time when real Hungarians have no say in their own affairs because foreign players push themselves into our life.

It is time to leave us alone and worry about the civil rights of the
USA, GB, DE, FR and the Middle East, not mention China, North Korea.

I have the feeling that foreign players are working up the general population in Hungary to commit atrocities so they can use it to promote sanctions against us. Very dishonest but it will not work.

Ferenc
Guest

“the EU, which in the opinion of the majority of Hungarians living here and not abroad is “running fast in the wrong direction”.”
As per Einstein everything is relative, so “running fast” and “wrong direction” are never absolute, but depend on the observer. I believe ‘your majority’ sees things ‘your way’, but I have strong doubts if ‘your majority’ is the real majority of people living in Hungary.
Furthermore you have strange feelings; been in or near to Turkey in the summer?

PS: speaking about Turkey, don’t you, like me, find it peculiar that a person with official refugee status can be kidnapped out of Turkey by foreign security forces? I have a strong suspicion of Turkish and foreign security working together in this case…

Birthright
Guest
I guess we could agree and also disagree on issues but let me shock you, I really do not give a flying f…k -I read this expression on this site and I like it- about Turkey, kidnapping of some potential criminal fugitive snatching. We started it in Argentina with Eichmann, remember 1962, and I feel no remorse over that either. Speaking of foreign security forces intervention in Turkey … how much worse is it than infiltrating the minds of a whole generation of the continent by foreign interest to destroy our Judeo-Christian Europe? How much better is it than Hitler’s mind control of the German nation before the Holocaust? Turkey and other countries can fight armed security operators on their land but there is no defense against decades of brainwashing. See the US universities free speech problems and you will understand this. ps. Einstein and you are both right about relativity but there is an absolute value of life, which with your intelligence -yes I see that you are one of the few on this blog with such- I trust you can appreciate. I know that this site is anti Orban, and believe you me I am also not a… Read more »
Guest

Wtf!
our Judeo-Christian Europe
In our German Grundgesetz e g the freedom from religion is explicit.
I’m neither Christian nor Jewish but was born in Europe and I want equal rights for everybody!
Are you one of those lunatic right wingers, birthright?
Doesn’t really matter which god you pray to – you’re all the same!

PS:
re religion:
Considering the large number of pedophile priests – shouldn’t we then ban all those sects like the Catholics, the Anglican Church etc?

Birthright
Guest

Sorry to disappoint you but I am not a “winger” and I also agree with you on the separation of state and religion.
Judeo-Christian is a culture not a religion, that has been cultivated for a thousand plus years by great European Masters and common people for the enjoyment of all.

What we are facing is not the potent of praying to different god -interestingly almost all religions teach that there is only one god, but they fight over whose god is the real… idiotic lunacy- rather the expression of the religions.

Unless your head is in the sand you cannot avoid witnessing the atrocities committed to please their god by the followers of the religion we are standing firm against to infiltrate our land.

When someone is raised with the quest from early childhood by the clergy to kill the practitioners of other faiths because it is what his god likes, than your Grundgesetz worth less than the paper that is printed on assuring “freedom from religion”. Speaking about Germany, the police dispersed the citizens protesting against organized assault on the local women, but did nothing to prevent it to happen. What a reassuring security…. gesundheit.

Jean P.
Guest

“..foreign players are working up the general population to commit atrocities….”

Here we go again. Yesterday putsch attempt today atrocities. Fidesz is laying the groundwork for blaming others for what they are planning to instigate.

Birthright
Guest

JP. I am sorry but you are not in my league. Please stay clear of me with your unintelligible remarks.

Observer
Guest

Quite right.

Remember the 2006 well organized “spontaneous” demonstrations when even an old tank was started and driven against the police by “peacefully demonstrating citizens”.

Nothing new here, agent provocateur, Reichstag fire, discovered plots, attempted putsch… the fascist regime is preparing their next assault.

Observer
Guest

Birthwhatver

Sticking their nose into Hungarian “government’s” orgy of embezzlement of piblic/EU funds and in the building of a fascist state is long overdue.
After all it’s EU taxpayers’ money and it’s EU directives and principles that the Orban mafia is breaking.

Yes, Orban’s mafia indeed feels at home among currupt dictators like Nazarbaev, Aliev and Erdogan. I’m sure most Hungarians don’t and wouldn’t. But they don’t have a voice in a system where 43% of the votes gives 67% of the seats in parliament and where the same gang controls 95% of the media, etc.

Hungary is going down and it has no oil/gas to prop it up, so think Tadzhikistan. Hajra.

Birthright
Guest

Dear Observer,
Thank you for the info. Pls also explain it to me how is it whenever political differences expressed the EU money jumps out into the front line. Is there anything sacred in your life other than money? Speaking of which it seems that lately democracy became equal with possession of money on both sides of the spectrum. Mr. Soros buys up the corrupt bureaucracy of the EU, “Orban’s mafia indeed feels at home among currupt dictators”, breaks “EU directives and principles” while “embezzlement of piblic/EU funds”.

Btw, would you please direct me to the documents that has been lawfully declared and implemented to be EU directives and principles with the blessing of the hundreds of millions of European Citizens? or this is just another – unelected EU bureaucrats imposed upon us- list of modern age freedom limiting dictatorship.

I went to Rakosi’s kindergarten, attended Kadar’s schools, but my life education is from the University of Freedom. The EU can stick all the money they take from other countries up into their rectum, because my Homeland and the Freedom of my fellow citizens is not for sale.

Guest

unelected EU bureaucrats imposed upon us
Why do you repeat the same nonsense that we hear from the fascists every day?
The EU is more democratic than Hungary e g where 45% of the votes lead to a two thirds majority.
You really are an idiot spouting the standard nonsense that we hear/read all the time from the right wingers!
And using “Soros” in every answer is a sure sign of stupidity …

Birthright
Guest

wolfi7777
see below please …

Observer
Guest

Wolfi

No point responding to the Soros is ruling the word and the Earth is flat type of statements.

These sick people don’t even quite realize that their homeland has been taken from them by this gang and that they have sold their freedom for a fleeting
feel good delusion and eventually a bowl of lentils (tàl lencse, since the ones writing here are not driving Audi 8 and buying country manors with the embezzled money).

Guest

Observer, I do this only when I have time on my hand to relax after a good meal like right now- my wife’s a wonderful cook! She does not only Hungarian dishes (in a “light” version, not too many calories …) but also Mediterranean cooking, wjhich she saw/learned on holidays with me and I help out with some Schwab stuff and my special hobby:
Gringo Mexican dishes which the family also enjoys …
Have a wonderful Sunday, everybody!

PS:
I just thought that comments by creatures like birthright should not remain unanswered here – reminds me too much of the bad old times on politics.hu …

Jean P.
Guest

How about a dinner invitation?

Observer
Guest

wolfi

Sure. As u can see I use such nonsense only as a prompt to shoot …

Enjoy your dinner too and add a glass of wine. (I was pleasantly surprised to find some good Slovak wines)

tappanch
Guest

Venice Commission on the anti-CEU law

Preliminary Opinion on Act XXV of 4 April 2017 on the amendment of Act CCIV of 2011 on Tertiary Education

http://www.venice.coe.int/webforms/documents/?pdf=CDL-PI(2017)005-e

tappanch
Guest

123. the law “appears highly problematic from the standpoint of rule of law and fundamental rights principles and guarantees”

124. “the Commission recommends to the Hungarian authorities:
to exempt operating universities from the requirement of a prior international agreement with their home state
to exempt operating universities from the obligation that the foreign university should provide education in the country of seat”
etc

Birthright
Guest

As it has been said so many times and so many ways on this site and others and by so many publishers -credit given to Mrs. Balogh here- and so many commenters; the CEU is in the cross for being a Soros institution. But for god sake, would you people come to terms with the fact that this is a personal chess game between S.Gy and O.V., in which both wants to outsmart the other at the sacrifice of the ponds? This is not rocket science, it is politics. Dirty politics. Sit back and enjoy it. At the end we all will lose no matter which one wins. Our best chance is a tie, that’s it folks.

Ferenc
Guest

Do I understand it correct, as you only want to watch, that you are neutral in CEU’s case? Possible reason it doesn’t affect you personally?
Well I consider that the most disgusting position (and reason) in this case.
In my opinion it isn’t some kind of chess game at all. I consider it a part of OV’s dirty, undemocratic and inhumane policies concerning refugees. OV misuses CEU and Soros (and also NGO’s) to keep up the hate spraying over (and into) the heads of the people in Hungary. So CEU and Soros (and NGO’s and REFUGEES) are innocent victims of OV’s dirty, undemocratic and inhumane policies.

Ferenc
Guest

kerebme tleznép latlá ygröyG soroS kannav si nabgásttoziB iecneleV A :asóKcomment image
https://444.hu/2017/08/13/kerebme-tleznep-latla-ygroyg-soros-kannav-si-nabgasttozib-iecnelev-a-asok
— Fidesz new secret code!! don’t you understand?? —

Ferenc
Guest

Here’s a decoded version:
“Kósa Lajos szerint Soros György, Soros, György és Soros György”
“According Lajos Kósa George Soros, George Soros nad George Soros”
http://index.hu/belfold/2017/08/13/kosa_lajos_szerint_soros_gyorgy_soros_gyorgy_es_soros_gyorgy/

Observer
Guest

On the Safarov case I was stunned to hear the explanation by the Fid “Christians” that why would we spend money on keeping foreign criminals in our jails…

After that …. .

Birthright
Guest
wolfi7777 and others I am surprised of the continuously reappearing of the mathematical non-sense that you and some of your uninformed pals keep throwing in the face of the readers as a proof of something undemocratic in Hungary. Let me try to bring this into understandable format for you pls. Since you live in Germany I do not expect you to be up to par with the allocation of seats in the Hungarian Parliament. This is not a mathematically calculated majority rather a three prong process that has been in place since 1989 until 2013. It should be known that the system was the brainchild of the MSZMP and the most complicated method in Europe was implemented to assure their survival in the long run. It worked for over two decades because it required 2/3 majority to apply changes to it, which happened in 2011. The system is as it is and as it was in play until 2014 also at the time when the leftist parties won elections. In 2014 and beyond the number of seats are much less, the system is simpler and the directly won seats are 53/47% compared to the previous 45/55%. Let me assure you… Read more »
Guest

To add to Mrs Balogh’s comment:

The funny side of this is that one often reads claims (even here …):
Two thirds of Hungarians voted for Orbán – the majority of Hungarians adore him!
Similarly Fideszniks often write:
In a referendum 95% of the people voted against immigration – when the voter participation was below 50%, so the referendum was invalid …

PS:
Comparing Fidesz to MSZMP is funny too! 🙂

Birthright
Guest

Wolfi7777
In the referendum 95% of the people -WHO PARTICIPATED- voted against immigration. – I was one of them and I am not ashamed of it. You can read my opinion on the subject in this and other articles. DO NOT INVITE ANY GUESTS TO MY HOUSE AGAINST MY WILL.

The invalidity of referendum was OV’s “öngól” – because he raised the validity level to 50%+ I guess in order to prevent opposition by referendum to his policies. It hit back in this time as a self-inflicted wound. Dirty politics sometime back-fire.

I can safely predict that this single issue will net OV. huge amount of new votes in 2018 because the pressure from foreign sources to force the acceptance of migrants that we do not want, ushers Hungarian voters toward him.

Guest

migrants that we do not want
Yes, you’ve said it often enough and that defines you imho as a tyopical right winger, your other blah blah re not being an Orbanista is irrelevant!

Re the Hungarian election system:
The fact remains that it is undemocratic, whatever the constant changes mean.

And last:
Your continuous repeating of alternative facts (aka lies) regarding the refugees doesn’t make them true – it tells us however a lot about you!

Jean P.
Guest

“DO NOT INVITE ANY GUESTS TO MY HOUSE AGAINST MY WILL.”

It sounds self-evident, doesn’t it? Well, it isn’t unless you are the sole owner of the house. If you share a house with others you must accept their guests as they must accept yours. If by “my house” you mean “my country” you have overlooked that you are not the sole owner of your country. Try to look up “democracy”.

“…the pressure from foreign sources …”

The heaviest pressure from foreign sources on Hungary stems from the foreigners who have got voting rights in Hungary without having to suffer the cosequences of their votes.

Birthright
Guest
wolfi7777 and others who are so quick to insult ones not sharing their views… I envy you. Life must be very simple for you. Left or right, black or white, big or small, full or empty, migrant lovers or fascists, etc … You are practicing the Stalinist doctrine of “those not with us are against us”. Our own Kadar turned it around by declaring “Those not against us are with us” which resulted in relative political stability in Hungary for decades. It feels you are a Gulagsist who would “get rid of them ….” -quote from you-” rather than engaging discussions and finding compromises. I wonder what” winger” you are. Contrary to you I do not have the unmistakable ability to judge one’s character by his/her stand on a single issue. But I have the tolerance for opposing views and the patience to debate if I see that the other is in the same league. I wonder if you are. Regarding the migration issue I believe it is much more important and has a much deeper effect on the life of current and future generations of not only Hungarians but all Europeans and even on the World entire population that… Read more »
Guest

Thank you, dear one trick donkey!

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