Two “Unite The Right” organizers and Hungary

A couple of months ago I wrote a post on far right western politicians in Hungary who found Budapest a place very much to their liking. At that time I talked about two Britishers: Jim Dowson and Nick Griffin. Viktor Orbán in his “address to the nation” told his audience that instead of admitting migrants from the Middle East and Africa, “we will let in true refugees: Germans, Dutch, French, and Italians, terrified politicians and journalists who here in Hungary want to find the Europe they have lost in their homelands.” The fact is that a number of people—nationalists, opponents of liberal values, members of extreme far-right parties or movements—have been gathering in Hungary for some time.

Today I will concentrate on two men who have had relationships with Hungary and who are closely connected to the “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville: Richard Spencer and Daniel Friberg. Both were involved with the organization of the rally and were scheduled speakers, but their speeches were scrapped due to the tragic end of the white supremacists’ demonstration.

Maybe I should start with Daniel Friberg, a Swede, who has been living in Hungary for some time. He is the co-founder and editor of AltRight.com, in addition to being a businessman connected to the Swedish mining industry. He is the co-founder and CEO of Arktos Media Ltd., which altright.com describes as “one of the world’s leading publishers of traditionalist and right-wing literature.” As for “traditionalist literature,” Arktos titles, according to Carol Schaeffer, “largely promote a viewpoint it characterizes as ‘alternatives to modernity’ that are critical of liberalism, human rights, and modern democracy.” It was Arktos that published full-text English translations of Russian theorist Alexander Dugin, “the intellectual guru of Putinism.” Friberg and his American editor-in-chief John B. Morgan moved the operation from the United Kingdom to Hungary in January 2016. (I should add that since then Morgan left Arktos and joined Counter-Currents, a white-nationalist publishing house and website also partially based in Budapest.)

With Friberg and Arktos moving to Budapest in early 2014, it made sense for Richard Spencer, president of the National Policy Institute, a white nationalist think tank, to organize The National Policy Institute Conference in the Hungarian capital in October of the same year. Although by that time several American, French, and Swedish right-wing extremists lived in Hungary, Viktor Orbán decided not to allow the gathering on Hungarian soil, allegedly because propagating white supremacist messages is unconstitutional. Therefore, he instructed Sándor Pintér, minister of the interior, to prevent the speakers and organizers from entering the country. But there was a problem: there was no legal way of stopping these men from entering Hungary. And indeed, no one interfered with Richard Spencer, who after landing in Vienna took the train to Budapest.

Once it became clear that the Hungarian police had no authority to deny him entry, the decision was made to forbid the conference. But as TASZ, the Hungarian equivalent of the American Civil Liberties Union, pointed out, such an action was also illegal. Even white supremacists have the right to express their opinions. But the Hungarian authorities’ bag is full of tricks. Spencer and about 40 of the would-be participants decided to spend the evening prior to the opening of the conference in a pub. Suddenly at least a dozen policemen arrived on the scene and asked Spencer for identification, which in this case would have been his passport. Hungarians are required to have their IDs on them at all times. Spencer, however, wasn’t carrying his passport. He was therefore arrested and held in jail for 72 hours, after which he was deported from Hungary. Because of the Schengen Agreement he was banned from all EU countries for three years.

Source: Népszabadság / Photo: Miklós Teknős

Before he was arrested and deported, Népszabadság had an interview with Spencer, from which we learn that one of the reasons the Institute chose Budapest as the venue for the conference was the presence of Arktos. He never contemplated holding the conference in Germany because of that country’s anti-hate laws. He thought that in Hungary they would be safe. And now, he said, he is confronted with “this political persecution.” He also expressed an aversion toward Jobbik because of the party’s “Asian fantasies,” which emphasize Hungarians’ relations with the Turks and other Central Asian people. From the interview we also learn that Spencer had friendly contacts with some Hungarian journalists. I assume these journalists came from Magyar Hírlap and perhaps Magyar Nemzet. Certainly, in later years Friberg was a welcome visitor at Magyar Hírlap. In the middle of 2016 the editors ran a whole series of articles about him as well as interviews with him.

Despite this unpleasant encounter, Spencer keeps his eyes on Hungarian events. For example, he reads The Hungarian Free Press, which he labelled as “neither Hungarian nor free nor a press,” in which he found an article about Zsolt Bayer. Bayer had just published an article in which he portrayed the current refugee crisis in Hungary and Europe as a racial war intended to annihilate white people. Based on this article, Christopher Adam, the author of The Hungarian Free Press’s opinion piece, concluded that “Fidesz is now more extreme than the ominous opposition party” Jobbik. Spencer agreed with Adam because “from an identitarian perspective Orban and his party are far sounder ideologically than Jobbik, whose leaders believe, perhaps accurately, that Turks are their brothers and sisters. Orban, on the other hand, has spoken of ‘Europe for Europeans.’” He found the Orbán quotation in an article about the prime minister’s 2015 speech at Tusnádfürdő/Băile Tușnad, which appeared in Hungary Today, a government propaganda publication. At the end of the article Spencer comes to the conclusion that Bayer, and perhaps Orbán also, have been reading the literature of the alt-right because “Bayer does not speak the language of your standard European ‘ethno-nationalist.’ And it is Hungarians—and not us … at least not yet—who are in the position to realize the ideals of identitarianism.” So, Hungary’s prospect for achieving Spencer’s ideal society is far greater than that of Western Europe and the United States. Obviously kindred souls.

August 15, 2017
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Istvan
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I think Richard Spencer is feeling pretty good about the world right now. President Trump just went on an ideological rampage against what he called the “alt-left.” He basically said the fascists in Charlottesville had a permit to march and the counter protestors did not and the left has to be seen as having at least equal responsibility for the violence. He went further stating monuments to America”s slave owning past had a right to stay where they were, pointing out to the stunned media that both George Washington and Thomas Jefferson owned large numbers of slaves. Trump’s chief of staff, General Kelly, hung his head and stared down at his feet refusing to look at anyone. Numerous fascists, white supremacists, and supporters of the Confederacy sent out congratulations to the President for his fine and thoughtful comments. Spencer sent out these comments: “Trump’s statement was fair and down to earth. #Charlottesville could have been peaceful, if police did its job.” and “I’m proud of him for speaking the truth.” I need a break from the world, off with all news, phones and the internet. On with very loud Jimi Hendrix and down with several very strong cocktails. See you… Read more »
wrfree
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What a POTUS, eh? The mind set truly boggles. I am afraid we really did bad on this ‘presence’. He goes from bad to worse. I do not think there can be an upside on the horizon.

With Spencer and those of his kind they like Frankenstein perhaps see glorious torch-lit life beckoning now as a result of Baron Trump’s equivocations. What comes out of it is we will be living through nights of the living dead.

If Spencer is akin to being a far- right vegetable he seems with the help of Magyarorszag and now with the US and POTUS to have opportune fertile fields of soil to be growing in. Orban and Trump are a sort of insidious and vacuous water carriers for enabling the hatreds to spout and spew all over the place. They with their prescriptions and convoluted prouncements on events cannot grow anything good from the poisoned fiels they work in.

exTor
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It doesn’t seem that Richard Spencer’s “propagating white supremacist messages” would ordinarily be a concern for Viktor Orbán, so VOrbie likely didn’t want to run afoul of the European Union in some manner.

If Christopher Adam now considers Fidesz “more extreme than … Jobbik”, have we now positioned Fidesz to the right of Jobbik?

Since Spencer believes that Orbán and Bayer have been reading altist lit, which isn’t likely, does that mean that Spencer is expecting an invite to return to Hungary once his three-year banishment has expired?

MAGYARKOZÓ

Observer
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As far as the policies a are concerned, Orban has implemented 8 of the 10 points Jobbik program (if I remember well). As far as narrative and messages are concerned the Orban regime moved to the far right.

The voters positioning is another matter, but witnessing the idiotic bleathing of the anti Soros lines by the faithful I’m affraid they are primed for the full fascist monty.

Guest

You’re not the only one thinking that Fidesz is trying to move to the right of Jobbik:
http://www.politics.hu/20170814/trading-places-on-the-hungarian-right/
But while Fidesz is adopting rhetoric once reserved for the fringes of the political spectrum, Jobbik is moving in the opposite direction, desperately trying to appeal to centrists and save itself from political irrelevance.
Who would have thought this possible 10 years ago?

Ferenc
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Two possible reasons spring to mind:
1.OV&Co had this more to the right always in them, but were afraid to show, because thinking he/they would gain less power when exposed.
2.OV&Co consider increasing power most important, and see more to the right as the easiest way to gain more power (and at the same time decrease left-over potentially dangerous opposition)
Of course it’s also possible the whole move rightwards is fully natural and not preprogrammed, but this I consider most unlikely.
Don’t know (yet) which the two first options I consider most likely, curious for opinions here.

PS: thinking back 15 years ago (the 2002 ‘kokarda elections’), I’m actually less surprised by OV&Co’s move than by a former ultra-right party (now Jobbik, not yet in 2002!) moving centerwards.

Observer
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Ferenc

Orban has no morals or scruples, and no ideology for that matter. For him and like anything goes as long as it helps them on their quest for power and wealth.

However, at certain stage of growth such regimes develop a momentum and dynamics of their own along the interests of the armies of minions and faithful. From there on only external forces (revolutions, civil wars) or radical efforts by their own dictators can change the course (best examples Franco/Spain, Gorbatchev/USSR). Otherwise it’s down and down as Argentina, Albania, Zimbabwe or N.Korea examples show in the extreme.

Jobbik is trying to occupy the space closer to the center vacated by Orban’s regime. I think it is a realistic option, witness Orban’s stroll through the whole political spectrum. And I disapprove of the many democratic politicians refusing to give Vona a chance to prove.

Member

“Bayer does not speak the language of your standard European ‘ethno-nationalist.’

indeed. Bayer, close friend of Viktor Orban and leading Fidesz propagandist has declared on occasions his wish to see Roma, Jews and liberals not only seriously beaten up but actually murdered by the good ole boys of Hungarian nationalism.

The Neo-Nazi filth espoused by scum like Bayer and his Fidesz journalistic cohorts is flourishing in Europe and it seems the US. Yet Bayer wins national literary prizes from the Orbanist regime?
Trump may be an apologist for far/right hatred, Orban sponsors it.

Guest

Interesting times – the CEO of Walmart wrote a letter to his workers criticising Trump!
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/business/trump-councils-ceos.html

exTor
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THE CAPITALISTS ARE REVOLTING

Yet another CEO, one who swims the same swamp in which Trump dogpaddles, has stroked for far shores. I wonder how the Donald will respond. After the Merck CEO quit the confab, Trump rejoined with a dig at Merck’s “ripoff” drug prices, which is probably accurate. Oh well, nothing’s perfect, not even in the capitalist paradise enveloping Washington.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Guest

Snopes again has info on infamous Alex Jones trying to pin the Charlottesville killig on Soros:
http://www.snopes.com/charlottesville-killer-radical-leftist/

Ferenc
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Just a detail in the ‘right wing real news’ make me (where’s the bucket) puke:
“WOW! DUDE HIT THE WRONG CROWD!”
For those media and people the most important word here seems to be wrong, no first condemning this kind of attack, nor any care for anybody being deliberately hit by a car at all!!

tappanch
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Famous writers came out against Trump’s speech yesterday:

J K Rowling: “One good thing about that abomination of a speech: it’s now impossible for any Trump supporter to pretend they don’t know what he is.

Stephen King: “Trump must be removed. Republicans, stand up to this obscene man.”

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jarrylee/heres-how-famous-writers-are-reacting-to-trumps-defense-of

Arnold Schwarzenegger is also against Nazis:

https://www.facebook.com/notes/arnold-schwarzenegger/charlottesville/10155766543359658/

tappanch
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The speech in full:

Ferenc
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“Maybe I should start with Daniel Friberg, a Swede, who has been living in Hungary for some time. He is the co-founder and editor of AltRight.com”
The bold text is a link, which I wanted to check, but when opening that ‘altright.com’ page, there appeared a strange page with “checking your browser, may take time, etc”. I never like strange pages, so I immediately closed my browser and cleared the browser cache.
Questions: What is that “checking your browser”? Can it do any harm? Can it gathering any data from me?

Ferenc
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Through the wiki page (only in Swedish) about Daniel Friberg – https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Friberg_(f%C3%B6rl%C3%A4ggare) – I found this book:
“Lions of the North: Sounds of the New Nordic Radical Nationalism” by Benjamin R. Teitelbaum (2017, Oxford University Press).
https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=8ljODQAAQBAJ
Looks interesting, there’s quite something about Friberg (28 search results), and even some mentioning of Hungary (7 search results), though the quote “a 2012 performance [by Saga] at the massive white-nationalist festival Magyar Sziget in Hungary” got me confused.
Further searching made clear that Magyar Sziget exist(ed?) and isn’t the Sziget Festival in Budapest, but a ‘real Hungarian’ festival started by László Toroczkai (now Jobbik) in 2001 as an alternative for the “anti-Hungarian” Sziget Festival. And in 2012 there really performed the ‘Swedish white nationalist singer-songwriter’ Saga.
https://web.archive.org/web/20120713094600/http://www.magyarsziget.hu/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saga_(singer)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magyar_Sziget

Ferenc
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And guess what searching: Friberg “Magyar Sziget” revealed that in 2016 Daniel Friberg was dedicating his books at ‘Felvidéki Magyar Sziget’, including also Toroczkai László on the bill. FMSz looks to be the (or one of the) successors of Magyar Sziget (which seems to have been stopped in 2015).
https://alfahir.hu/felvideken_tovabb_duborog_a_magyar_sziget

PS: considering the chronology of events, it might very well be that in2012 at the Magyar Sziget in Verőce, Friberg (together with fellow Swede, Saga) made first real life meeting with Hungarian alt.-ult.righters.

Ferenc
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Here’s a ‘çoub’ made at a related conference:
http://coub.com/embed/sqgeb?muted=false&autostart=false&originalSize=false&startWithHD=false
2017.March, Stop Operation Soros! – International Conference against The Open Society, present a.o. Nick Griffin, James Dowson and Daniel Friberg (all probably in above ‘coub’, but didn’t check)
Full report at http://magyarnarancs.hu/belpol/identitesz-konferencia-103015

PS: the Magyar Naranc reporter mentions that during a pause at the conference was played superb music (note connections alt.-ult.right and music in my previous comments about the book “Lions of the North: Sounds of the New Nordic Radical Nationalism” and the “Magyar Sziget”)

Ferenc
Guest

Unfortunately the ‘coub’ picture doesn’t show in the comments, so here again:
A related conference:comment image
2017.March, Stop Operation Soros! – International Conference against The Open Society, present a.o. Nick Griffin, James Dowson and Daniel Friberg (all probably in above ‘coub’, but didn’t check)
Full report at http://magyarnarancs.hu/belpol/identitesz-konferencia-103015

wrfree
Guest

Re: ‘intellectual guru of Putinism’

Dugin also must be reveling in the turbulent events currently being seen in the US. His construct of ‘eschatological tension’ where liberalism would be in a position to be destroyed looks to be exposed in the demonstrations we’ve seen where historic memorialized statues are dragged down and a sort of revolutionary fervor has hit the streets.

Right up the Russian philosopher’s alley. To see the US distance itself from its charter of establishing and protecting individual and collective liberty and rights for all. To reign in chaos as its liberal ideas die a slow death. And to hand over the globe to Russia where the ‘collective’ and a narrow rigid cultural identity is all. Dugin appears to have his war.

tappanch
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“Controversial Trump Aide Katharine Gorka Helped End Funding For Group That Fights White Supremacy”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/katharine-gorka-life-after-hate_us_59921356e4b09096429943b6

Ferenc
Guest

Interview with the makers of ‘Buzadara’ (=Grits), this summer’s big hit in Hungary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPooGeOhrsY
“Azt hiszem, aki rasszista kommentet ír, nem boldog az életében.”
“I think, that somebody, who writes racist comments, isn’t happy in his/her life.”
a good counter against the spew of all the alt.-ult.righters!

Ferenc
Guest

OT – HU and multinational companies
Budapest Beacon: “after 3 years of litigation by LMP: Between 2012 and 2014 the government of Hungary granted a $154.5 million tax allowance to Audi Hungary for undertaking a $11.3 million investment. (No, that’s not a typo)”
More info at http://budapestbeacon.com/news-in-brief/hungary-granted-multinational-companies-308-million-in-tax-allowances-over-two-year-period/49761
In Hungarian: https://mno.hu/belfold/forditott-robin-hood-80-milliard-adokedvezmeny-a-multicegeknek-2412504

tappanch
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Ferenc
Guest

Here’s the original, uploaded in 2002: “Don’t Be a Sucker” (1947, U.S. War Department)
https://archive.org/details/DontBeaS1947
Watch and/or download in whatever format you prefer…
cut with added Hungarian subtitles: https://www.facebook.com/agostonlaszloartist/videos/1212051398898956/

More about Paul Lukas: born as Lukacs Pal in 1894 in Budapest. Became an actor, was internationally successful and arrived in 1927 in Hollywood, made many films there and even won an Oscar in the 1940s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Lukas

PS: what about making a ‘Hungarian’ version of “Don’t Be a Sucker” with adding of some OV&Co texts and propaganda material (e.g.billboard slogans, leaflet texts) to the original
usable locations for additions: foreigners with money [Soros] / jobs that belong to me and you [2015 Nat.Consult.] / find it [the truth] here in this little pamflet [2016 Ref.leaflet] / until it’s a country without / without…..[???] / I saw it in Berlin – I see it in Budapest / Stupid fanatics [NSz-Kosa] / prejudice as a practical weapon [???] / it isn’t going to be you [OV&Meszaros]

tappanch
Guest

This is the same 1947 revision. The 1944 Normandy landing is mentioned at 14:52 and after.

Ferenc
Guest

I know, I meant original as first original internet version.
Do you know what are the differences between the ’43 and ’47 version, only the Normandy text, or more?

Guest

Snopes also reports on this movie – coincidence, like minds?
http://www.snopes.com/dont-be-a-sucker-film/

tappanch
Guest

Timeline of the erection of Confederate monuments & naming of schools after Confederate leaders.

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https://www.splcenter.org/20160421/whose-heritage-public-symbols-confederacy

Istvan
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Well this story http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/16/politics/joint-chiefs-charlottesville-racism/index.html gave me some hope for my country today. To have the four US Joint Chiefs are issuing public condemnations of neo-Nazis, the Klu Klux Klan and white supremacist groups following the statements by President Trump yesterday was just amazing to me. While the joint chiefs may be supporters of a aggressive military stance and the increase in funding President Trump has promised, they none the less had the morality to do this. It is exceedingly rare for any active duty officers to publicly make statements of a political nature about current events internally in the USA. I am particularly proud of Chief of Staff of the Army Gen. Mark Milley. By the way membership in the Klan or any the white supremacist groups that organized the march in Charlottesville, is a violation of the military code of conduct. For example see this case https://www.uscg.mil/legal/cca/Court_of_Criminal_Appeals_Opinions/Year2008/20081114%20United%20States%20v.%20Blair%2067%20MJ%20566.pdf Secretary of Defense Casper Weinberger issued this order years ago, which still is in effect: “Military personnel must reject participation in white supremacy, neo-Nazi and other such groups which espouse or attempt to create overt discrimination. Active participation, including public demonstrations, recruiting and training members, and organizing or leading such organizations is… Read more »
Jean P.
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OT. The K-telephone of the communist era will be back.

The K-telephone system was a parallel telephone system reserved for the intercommunication of the communist big-wigs. The K-telephone was red and everybody wanted to decorate his desk with such one, but it was hard to get.

Now the government has announced that it will install a parallel telephone system reserved for govenment institutions. It has been theorised that the purpose is to give certain people a prestige symbol and, of course, to create an expensive project which can be milked.

I believe that the sudden emergence of this project out of nowhere is due to an afterthought after the decision to create a giant information collection center. It has dawned on the Fideszniks that their telephone conversations will be collected and stored together with everybody else’s. This is so undesireable that they deem it necessary to create a parallel telephone system that is exempt from surveillance.

http://budapestbeacon.com/news-in-brief/government-to-revive-communist-era-direct-lines/49786

Observer
Guest

And which will function after they have shut down the public mobile phone systems when they have to suppress some “unsuccessful putsch” or like.

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