Life in the Hungarian transit zones

The other day I happened upon an opinion piece in Magyar Idők written by Georg Spöttle, one of the many somewhat mysterious national security experts attracted to the Orbán government. He is allegedly a retired German army officer who has permanently settled in Hungary. His background is murky, as one can see from an interview he gave to Magyar Nemzet in 2002.

Spöttle’s op-ed piece was supposed to quiet the hysteria created by Magyar Idők, a Fidesz MP, and three mayors in the Lake Balaton area over the vacation plans of Migration Aid for a few asylum seekers. But Spöttle spent about half of the article on the conditions in the two by now infamous transit zones set up by the Hungarian government for refugees waiting for an official decision on their cases.

Access to the zones at Röszke and Tompa is severely limited. In addition to organizations of the United Nations, six aid organizations can visit the camps. Spöttle, due to his privileged position, had no problem paying a visit and gave a glowing report on the circumstances that exist there. If he had to choose between “a transit zone in Berlin and Röszke,” he would choose the latter. Let’s not quibble over the fact that Berlin has no transit zones like the ones the Hungarians set up along the Serbian-Hungarian border. The Hungarian accommodations are actually prisons, from which the only escape route leads back to Serbia. According to Spöttle, the mostly Afghan families who currently live there are enjoying the few weeks they have to spend in containers enclosed by a barbed-wired fence and under heavy guard. He saw many smiling and waving children playing football.

This description is in stark contrast to what others who are familiar with the conditions in these transit zones report. A couple of refugees who, after spending some time in the Tompa camp decided to return to Serbia, described the conditions there. Apparently, this particular camp has five separate “sectors” sealed tight with a four-meter barbed-wire fence around each. Inhabitants of one sector cannot cross to another. Each sector has about 70-80 people, including 20 children who had to share a 10×10 m area. The metal containers are not air-conditioned and are therefore unbearably hot, especially given the sweltering weather this year in Hungary. There is no shade, not even any grass, only white gravel. Each person is heavily guarded. A UN official described a scene where a sick man was escorted 20-30 meters to the doctor in the other sector by five armed guards. People who had to visit a hospital are handcuffed. All in all, the conditions are horrendous and, what is more important, illegal. Also, apparently the quality and quantity of food is inadequate, especially in the case of children and pregnant women. Add to all this uncaring officials and guards. The two men could recall only one decent person in the whole bunch, a blonde woman who would actually say hello and smile at the children. Of course, the Hungarian authorities deny these charges and claim that there are all sorts of amenities the former inmates and UN observers failed to notice, like the availability of Arab-language television channels and playrooms for the children.

Source: Index / Photo András Földes

All this sounds pretty bad, but the story Index reported about a week ago is truly hair-raising. It is about an Iranian-Afghan couple with three children and a fourth on its way. The wife’s first husband was killed by members of the Taliban and she was raped, but eventually she managed to escape to Iran where she married an Iranian. The family for political reasons left Iran and ended up in Greece, where a human trafficker insisted that they split up. The woman and the children went by car and the husband hid in a truck. The husband made it, but the wife and children were caught in Macedonia.

In our technologically advanced age the husband knew precisely the whereabouts of his family and decided to go to Macedonia to pick them up. He made the mistake of traveling through Hungary on his way south and was caught and placed in a sealed refugee camp. In order to get out of the camp as soon as possible, he decided to seek asylum in Hungary. After four months spent in what amounted to jail and having been denied asylum, he crossed the Serbian-Hungarian border on his way to Macedonia, where he was reunited with his family. They turned north and in April 2017 reached the Hungarian border, where they were placed in one of the transit zones. But then came the real surprise. Since the husband had been denied asylum by the Hungarian authorities, he is not entitled to food rations while locked up in the transit zone. So, he must live on the leftovers of the rations his wife and two older children receive, which are meager. The smallest child gets powdered milk. In the last three months he received three food packages from the Red Cross, the Hungarian Reformed Church, and the Hungarian Ecumenical Aid Organization.

The paddy wagon / Photo taken by the Iranian husband

The wife, seven months pregnant, would need regular medical checkups, but the only means of transportation is a paddy wagon travelling on a dirt road. She is afraid to sit down on the very narrow wooden seat, fearing injury, but standing is not exactly a safe solution either. She is fearful of losing the baby and is getting more and more distraught. According to the husband, “one of the officers told us that if we want a car in which she can sit down they will bring one for 50 euros, which we don’t have.” How absolutely disgusting.

I haven’t found this particular story yet in the foreign media, but news of the cruel treatment of asylum seekers by Hungarian authorities has been spreading all over the world. Although it is the current Hungarian government that in the final analysis is responsible for this inhumane treatment of the refugees, unfortunately there are just far too many enablers who are ready to lend assistance and support to the government. The powers-that-be have been inculcating fear in the citizens, which by now has morphed into widespread hatred of all outsiders. Index asked at the beginning of its article on the Iranian-Afghan family: “What do you think of a country, dear reader, which treats a family with small children this way?” Indeed, what do you think?

August 17, 2017
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Zoli
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They are all free to return to Serbia, so it is false to call them prisons. One cannot choose to leave a prison. Furthermore, I have an aunt who stayed in a camp in Yugoslavia and an uncle who was in an Austrian camp. Those places were not exactly five star hotels either. So enough of the “sacred refugee” stuff already! They are not even refugees, because not a single one of those migrants came to Hungary from a conflict zone. Most of them passed through several safe countries before they got to Hungary, meaning that unlike my aunt and uncle, they are roaming around looking for the good life, making them economic migrants. Some honesty would be nice in this conversation. It is this kind of dishonesty which got EU elites into trouble to begin with, having to now resort to drastic measures to stop the invasion, such as deals with Turkey and murky Libyan factions.

Lydia
Guest
Dear Zoli – it’s exactly what they are – detention centers – i.e. prisons. The European Court of Human Rights even said so. Turning back to Serbia means abandoning your asylum claim – which is really not an option for most people so they have no choice but to stay in these containers and when they do, they are forced to accept that they are in a prison for an indefinite period of time. Detention should always be a last resort in asylum cases and should be decided on a case-by-case basis. This is in accordance to law – a concept that often falls on deaf ears when it comes to the Hungarian government. the government instead applies automatic detention to everyone, including children. The worn line of “these guys are not really refugees” and “didn’t arrive from conflict zone” is ludicrous. Again, most of the countries these guys past through are not considered safe countries by UNHCR nor the European Court of Human Rights, simply because of the fact that e.g. Serbia has a flawed asylum system and have provided status to about a handful people since establishing its asylum authority in 2008 – i.e. people stand no real… Read more »
Birthright
Guest

Lydia,
your arguments are somewhat tainted. If all countries you mentioned are not considered safe why would Hungary be the one to pick up the slag? How about the arab countries that strive on oil wealth? Why do they not feel obligated to welcome their own kind? And what about the USA with its three consecutive presidents turning the Middle East up side down and creating the migration mess single handily?
Hungary has one and only self defense mechanism… deterrent.
The World should learn that there is no red carpet for the invaders here; therefore better to go somewhere else.

Observer
Guest

Zoli

I suggest u (with your children) try living in a container for couple of days, under the sun withou shade or in a tent at -10C. I’ve been there, done it, it’s close to torture and this is exactly what you scoundrels are doing. Otherwise a couple of tarpaulins would have helped at penny cost, not to mention the recently closed facilities of old.
Ditto for the inhuman and humiliating treatment.
And of course the perennial lying e.g. escorting a sick man in hand cuffs between several armed guards – Orbàn’s kind of heroic posturing, he’s protecting… from nobody, since all leave Hun asap.

Finally, according to the your “logic” once people are asking for something they can be kicked around and humiliated. What about licking my shoes or else before I give u a job? This attitude IS present in Hun society and it makes the Hungarian the most anti social one in Europe I know.

Birthright
Guest

What the government is doing neither illegal nor inhuman. As you stated it was done to you too and nobody blamed the hosts, did they? Hungary has one and only self defense mechanism against the madness policy of EU and Soros bought politicians, deterrent.
The World should learn that there is no red carpet for the invaders here; therefore better to go somewhere else, perhaps Germany.

Observer
Guest

Idiotic answer with some lies for good measure. Tedious.

Ferenc
Guest

“it is false to call them prisons”
Of course it’s just Hungarian ground closed off with barbed-wired fence, with a small ‘open’ gate towards Serbia. If one passes that gate, the application for asylum automatically rejected and when one returns one isn’t entitled anymore to food rations inside the Hungarian barbed wire area, because of previous leaving.
Furthermore refugees are refugees, no matter from which piece of land or water or air they are coming, so no excuse like others have to help them, refugees need to be helped where ever they are at that moment.
You are bullshitting around: making false comparisons, blaming others and NOT doing anything yourself, except agreeing with barbed-wired Hungarian ground on which refugees receive inhumane treatment, disgusting AND a disgrace for a EU citizen.

Birthright
Guest

Ferenc
You are right. They should not be fenced in, rather let them go wherever they want to. After all they speak the language, know the law and have their means to support themselves.
or
They lack of all these but have the right to set the terms of support in accordance with the Soros doctrine. Perhaps they should be dwelled in your house and sleep with your daughter?
It is time to stop idiocy and look around Europe.
Turku, Cambrils, Barcelona?

Ferenc
Guest

Incarnationright
If Hungary as a country wants to fence itself, that doesn’t mean that it has any right to fence another group of people for any reason whatsoever!!
For the rest you are only using wording and thoughts (refugee=terrorist) from the “Orban-anti-Soros-doctrine”. Better use your right by birth to show that your are a human individual. Best don’t repeat the words and thoughts spewed into your head by the Hungarian government, but use your own texts and thoughts.

Birthright
Guest

Ferenc
are we going into exploring whose head is filled with words by whom, and advising each other what to say and what not to? And let me say to you in the most polite way, I need no education about humanity. Perhaps you want to teach the parents of the dead Manchester children how to be human, or the victims of Paris, Brussels, London, Barcelona, etc., to be happy because they died as real Humans?
My stand is firm: we do not need these people because of their mission, not because we are not humans. Being a human includes being able to think rather than just spewing the Soros propaganda.

But I give you a chance to go head to head in an open debate if Mrs. Balogh allows us in order to prove each other wrong. My only condition is that both of us must stick to facts that can be proven and under no circumstances would labelling each other be allowed to keep the conversation on the subject and fair. Are you ready?

Ferenc
Guest

Unfortunately again you didn’t simply answer a simple question, so:
I try to summarize your words:
“You do not want in Hungary any foreign people with a religious mission, that is to convert others to their fate by whatever means.”
I assume with fate probably mean faith.
Please confirm and/or correct, if needed, but without not-relevant additions.

PS1: you see I kept it plain and simple, by leaving out all possible propaganda and cloudy bla bla bla.
PS2: the fate of all humans, and all other life-forms, is that after being born will someday come death.

Guest

Did you a**hole read that article at all?
Yes, these people were on their way to another country – nobody wants to settle in Hungary where looking different is already a kind of crime! (just consider the Roma …).
Of course it’s different if you bring along enough money – then you’re welcome …

Reality Check
Guest

“Furthermore, I have an aunt who stayed in a camp in Yugoslavia and an uncle who was in an Austrian camp.”

My mother’s side of the family stayed in camps in Austria and then France after WWII. After seven years they were allowed to enter the US as refugees. They had stayed in two safe countries, but they were still considered refugees.

You’d think having family that stayed in camps, someone would have a bit more sympathy.

Observer
Guest

Be earned: once a system of inhumane treatment is set up it can later “process” anybody, Hungarians too, just stick on them the bad lable in fashion.
Witness the history of the Spanish Inquisition, the French Revolutionary Committee for Public Security, the Bokshevik Gulag, – their initial purpose and later function were quite different.

Preaching to the converted, but: fight these utrerly cirrupt and immoral fascists any way you can.

AlexN
Guest

I’m no fan of Orban but I agree with his migrant policy. If conditions in these detention centers concern you, why don’t you start a collection to provide the migrants with food, or spend some time with them or their children? Seriously. I don’t think there would be opposition to private support, as long as it doesn’t reach a point where it would encourage more migrants to cross through the country. Until there’s a better process to weed out economic migrants from genuine refugees, I don’t see an issue with maintaining a level of disincentive to illegally entering the country.

You make a broad jump to detention centers being a precursor to gulags and concentration camps- I wouldn’t worry. I don’t think the Orban or any other government needs any ‘practice’ facilities. The knowledge and expertise is already out there in the world. Disincentive is the point here, not punishment.

Guest

You can’t read and don’t understand, alex the fascist, it seems …
No one is allowed near these camps and to bring food etc to the refugees is either forbidden – or the gulag guards will take it for themselves …
Nice of you to show “Wes Geistes Kind you are”!

AlexN
Guest

The article states “In the last three months [the husband] received three food packages from the Red Cross, the Hungarian Reformed Church, and the Hungarian Ecumenical Aid Organization.” So, once again, go put together some food packages if you’d like. Develop a better process for separating economic migrants from refugees and I guarantee our fellow citizens would be way more supportive than they are now.

Birthright
Guest

Observer
Setting up the “system of inhumane treatment” is the direct consequence of the Soros doctrine. As far as future use of it I am sure you would love to lock up all those you consider “immoral fascists” so you might be thankful for the existence of it.

Ferenc
Guest

Former “pólyás”
You’re wrong, it is a consequence of the Orban-anti-Soros-Doctrine of the HU government!
BTW: Soros Gy.doesn’t have a doctrine he is for open minds!!

Birthright
Guest

Ferenc
I love your way of twisting facts around. In your educated opinion the Hungarian Government initiate the rift between them and Soros or Soros started the fight by pushing his agenda to force EU countries to take their “fair” share of the flood of migrants of the US created human tragedy?

If Soros is so open minded than he is willing to give us the right to decide our future by abandoning the idea of importing migrants to Hungary? Great news, please publicize it in the hope it becomes reality.

Member

“…..unfortunately there are just far too many enablers who are ready to lend assistance and support to the government.”

Those “enablers”, to their eternal shame, include the hierarchy of the “Establshed” “Christian” churches in Hungary.

They have “enabled” their priests to raoe and sexually abuse young innocent children so it is no surpirse that they continue to support Orban`s iinhumane anf evil abuse of kids and pregnant women in the concentration camps at Roske and elsewhere.

wrfree
Guest

You know I will never forget viewing I believe it was the border rendorseg throwing packets of food or whatever into the massed crowds enclosed in set off areas. They were penned in like cattle. It’s a nasty and inhuman image
that gets propagated.

The great fears of modernity impinging upon the leaders of the country today has made them do outrageous things when it comes to human relationships. At bottom they’ve lost their empathy to humanity as they billet themselves behind their fence. A fence perhaps not of life but of a slow descent into more and more unfeeling and entering into a dark ‘separateness’ in human affairs.

From a moral point of view, the Church and leadership have lost any sort of credibility as they pronounce hypocritically that they are with all …..’in Christ’. On this it is truly a wonder how can they and the clerics sleep at night?

petofi
Guest

Why is a woman, with three children, having a fourth?

(A “gift of God”? Nice religion this Musselmania.)

Ferenc
Guest

Petofi, it would really become you if you take all you wrote above back!
You are:
-questioning all women with more than three children, which is their private decision and NONE of your business
-showing respectlessness to each and every person thinking (for their own private reason), that a child is “a gift of God”
For me this time you stepped over the line of unacceptability!

Birthright
Guest

Ferenc
you are absolutely right. Or would be if it was really the choice of the women in that culture. By now you should know it better. Women are sex slaves and baby factories by the force of their religion. So stop blaming other churches and religions while these poor women are practically speaking being raped into carrying more babies. Is that not a shame in your moral dictionary?

petofi
Guest

@Ference

Take a drink of warer, sit down and think (if you are able).

(a) I DID NOT question ALL WOMEN who have three children….NO, I questioned the sense of responsibility of a woman with three children who was planning to take the refugee’s route to Europe.

(b) The ‘child is a gift of god’ is a dictum from the Koran. It has induced thousands of teenage, African girls to have children early in life.

If you are not able to think clearly, please resist from making judgements…

(And that goes for all the knee-jerk, political correctivests who agreed with you.)

Ferenc
Guest

your next step behind the line of unacceptability…

Reality Check
Guest

I am overwhelmed by your show of compassion.

dos929
Guest
This is a Fascist regime without doubt. Under the disguise of ‘fighting terrorism’ they are fighting everything and everybody who is not with them. The inhuman nature of the Orban government is not just evident in their dealings with the meagre number of refugees, but with dealing with their own population as well. The deliberate running down Hungary’s health and education systems and their relentless lies and deceptions, falsifying past and present history, changing (actually dismantling) the Constitution, and the countless and limitless corruption practices by the FIDESZ; all leading to a totalitarian state where the refugees are no more than just pawns in this awful policy of tyranny. Where are you leaders of the free world to speak up and proclaim loud and clear their standing about this Fascist government? When will enough be enough? When will they declare ‘black and white’ that all business and subsidies from the EU to this regime will stop right now? Because if not, they are just as much to blame for the deeds of Orban as he is… By practising the policy of appeasement towards the Orban regime those leaders and politicians are digging their own and the EU’s grave day by… Read more »
Bowen
Guest

Why should the ‘leaders of the free world’ care about Hungary when it’s pretty clear that huge swathes of Hungarians don’t? Fidesz will probably their third election victory in a row next year

Compare with Romania, where people will protest on the streets every day, every night, if necessary, until something changes. In Hungary, the nearest equivalent to that is some CEU students (not all of them Hungarian) protesting until the summer recess started.

Guest

Just look at this:
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If Hungarians want it that way …

Ferenc
Guest

some sidenotes:
-shows only the part of the electorate, which has (already 2017.April!) made it’s decision for a party (in 2018.April?)
-Szazadveg Alapitvany = Fidesz ‘thinktank’ (I think currently mostly financed by the government…)

Guest

Ferenc, you’re right of course, but:
With the current wave of propaganda, aided by the ISIS terror – do you think Hungarians will turn away from Jobbik/Fidesz?

My wife has decided some time ago no longer to talk about politics with many of her acquaintences (can’t call them friends …), too stressful for her to hear that kind of “small fascist” propaganda …

Ferenc
Guest

Answer to your question: I don’t know what to think, but consider it not impossible.
Regarding my sidenotes, I only wanted to make clear for non-regular visitors here, background info for the graph you posted.

Ferenc
Guest

PS: did you think that djT would win the US elections?
So it’s much better to think about what you can do now to make the ‘unthinkable’ less impossible

Ferenc
Guest

PS2: first best don’t think what OV&Co would like you to think!!
…then, during all that thinking, do whatever is in your possibilities to prevent OV&Co winning!!
…so when the time is there you can watch with a clear conscience who really wins…

Birthright
Guest

Ferenc
Do you want to prevent Orban and Fidesz to win the election?
Start listening to the Hungarian People not Soros and his EU traitors.
Nobody will have the slightest chance to win unless they take a firm stand against forced intake of migrants into Hungary. This is the issue that will decide 2018 and beyond.
George Soros cemented Orban Victor into the PM chair with is migration policy. Say thank to him.

Ferenc
Guest

To answer your question: YES.
Do you wanna help?
If so, start with forgetting and deleting the rest you wrote from your brain. And then continue to think about how to “dethrone” the real traitor of the people in Hungary (and the EU).
For inspiration watch the film “Don’t Be a Sucker” and compare with recent actions by the Hungarian government (consultations, referendum and the many Lex-es)

Observer
Guest

Birth….
Pls take your pills to ease your nightmares of fire breathing dragons Soros and the end of the world.
And the Earth is not flat…

Birthright
Guest

Bowen

Why should the “leaders” of the free world pay attention to anything that is not coming out of their circle? Why would they care what the People of the World want? Why do you think Fidesz will win their third terms in a row? Who is the main supporter of Orbán Viktor?

You won’t believe my answer to the last question? Soros György.
He alone lined up the vast majority of the Hungarian voters behind Orbán Viktor. The left can thank him for being wiped out for a long time because they adapted his vision of the ethnically cleansed Europe.

We, the Hungarian majority do not want to have anything to do with Soros’ agenda and will vote for Devil himself if that is the price of our protection from the invasion. We had 150 years of Ottoman rule in our Land, we need no more of the same.

We stand united to protect our Homeland against Soros, his surrogate NGOs=our own traitors, and of course the US created flood of migrants. We will keep having our internal struggles for our everyday issues but our borders are not negotiable. That’s it folks.

Ferenc
Guest

Like I commented here before: Hungarian people not agreeing with this kind of transit zones and the treatments within, best show to the Hungarian public what’s going on there in ‘their name’. Play real life transit-zone examples at places where many people are, in the middle of Budapest, on the Balaton beaches, at Aug.20 celebrations, etc.
Escort with five guards a person on his way to the local doctor, handcuff people who are in need of medical care and on their way to the hospital, distribute food selectively (tell some people they are not entitled to get something to eat), etc.
SHOW IT, PLAY IT REAL LIFE IN THE FACE!!

Member

“Like I commented here before: Hungarian people not agreeing with this kind of transit zones and the treatments within, best show to the Hungarian public what’s going on there in ‘their name’.”

Something sticks in my mind from 2 years ago, it might even have been in report from “Fidesz” Nick Thorpe from the BBC.
Orban had stranded 1000s of refugees at Keleti with no food, water or medical treatment.

It got so bad that something snapped and the refugees started to walk towards Vienna (250 Km plus).

A mother was walking with 3 young kids, on of whom was in serious need of medical treatment. The Hungarian middle-class in their middle-class cars rushing off to the Balaton for the weekend were delayed as the throng of humanity began their march. Not one offered a lift to the poor mother and her sick kid.
The excuse given to the reporter from a more civilized country was that they were scared of !repercussions! of helping out that poor mother.

I blame Orban for exploiting that racist cowardly mentality but let`s not beat about the bush, he didn’t create it. There is a sickness at the heart of the Hungarian soul.

Ferenc
Guest

I think there are a lot of potential sicknesses at the heart of each and every soul, and with that I mean even my own!
So before exploiting that ‘racist cowardly mentality’, OV&Co have done their utmost best (surely since 1998-2002, but possibly even earlier) to let that from potential go to making roots and grow inide the people in Hungary. So apart from exploiting OV&Co are also to blame for that!
Other political parties, except of course MIEP and Jobbik, who did and do the same, can be blamed for not opposing enough OV&Co’s cultivation…
All of this does of course not give anybody any excuse for doing or letting others do inhumane treatment of other human beings.

wrfree
Guest

OT perhaps but maybe not since the overall theme is ‘hate’

Right now we have the two great ‘enablers’ sitting in their station. It’s the Trump and Orban Express. Railroading hate on. The cry from Budapest and Washington? ‘All aboard!’ For those with a chip on their shoulder, for those who espouse ill will, resentments and revenge. Buy your tix. They won’t last!

In a nutshell, the two appear to be the locus of enabling hatred to flourish. As a Senator Graham has pointed out in his attack on Trump’s remarks on Charlottesville, ‘History is watching us’. But as we know both Trump and Orban have their own peculiar thoughts on history. And they’ve dipped themselves oh so virulently in its deadly whirlpool.

Birthright
Guest

As sequels to “Charlottesville from a Hungarian perspective”, I am looking forward to” Las Ramblas promenade in Barcelona from a Hungarian perspective”, “Cambrils from a Hungarian perspective”, and “Finnish city of Turku from a Hungarian perspective”.

Birthright
Guest
Girl and the Snake A young girl walking along a mountain path to her grandmother’s house heard a rustle at her feet. Looking down, she saw a snake, but before she could react, the snake spoke to her. “I am about to die,” he said. “It’s too cold for me up here, and I am freezing. There is no food in these mountains, and I am starving. Please put me under your coat and take me with you.” “No,” the girl replied. “I know your kind. You are a rattlesnake. And if I pick you up, you will bite me and your bite is poisonous.” “No, no,” the snake said. “If you help me, you will be my best friend. I will treat you differently.” The young girl sat down on a rock for a moment to rest and think things over. She looked at the beautiful markings on the snake and she had to admit he was the most beautiful snake she had ever seen. Suddenly, she said, “I believe you. I will save you. All living things deserve to be treated with kindness.” She then reached over, put the snake gently under her coat and continued toward her… Read more »
Ferenc
Guest

Clarification: the snake in Hungary is OV&Fidesz

Birthright
Guest
PERSONAL NOTE TO MRS. BALOGH, I really do not care about your views on the Fidesz and Orban Viktor. I also cannot be worried about the daily struggle between the left and the right. I am not interested about the corruption issues whether Orban or Gyurcsany is the bigger thief as I am withdrawn from politics. There is one part of life that I am unwilling to compromise and that is the integrity of my country and her people. As you have seen I am a devoted opponent of the migrant distribution system and in general I despise the EU and Mr. Soros for their continued efforts to force my country to accept a disastrous decision of the politically corrupt leadership in Berlin, Rome, Paris and Brussels. I am dismayed by the writings of some of the people on this blog who are living in well protected countries, perhaps most of them in the USA where President Trump does the same as OV in Hungary, or in Canada where at least the influx of migrants are pre-vetted. I would like you to dedicate an article to how you envision the future of Europe in 10, 20 and 50 years if… Read more »
Guest

I think it’s high time to send this fascist creature “birthright” (and Alex can accomopany it …) back to where it came from – breitbart or Russia Today or the Daily Stormer?
This one trick donkey shouldn’t find a platform here to spout its racist ideology. There are enough sites for this …

Birthright
Guest

Eva S. Balogh
I believe that it is time to put some restraining order on wolfi7777 for being an uncontrollable abuser of the blog with his dirty mouth and baseless label distribution system showing that he is being the most unintelligent, rude and disrespectful participant on this blog.

I know his goal is to provoke me into his low level dirty exchanges which he has no chance to achieve. I asked him nicely to steer clear from me but as a wild beast keeps coming at me with such a despicable way that is clearly way below the level of this blog.

Could you consider sending him to the penalty box for a few days to cool down pls?

Guest

So now you want to take over this blog, you’re really funny!
So my provocations were successful in the end – just get away from here!

Birthright
Guest

There are unfortunate people born with less grey mass than others. Their intelligence never had the chance to develop to the level of understanding of issues and manners. As a society we protect them and nurture them, provide them the same opportunity as all others enjoy. But nature is a merciless guiding force, there is no rule or law that could make up for the initial blunder.

Some of these people in time turn into aggressive bullies in the quest of making up for the shortcomings of natural abilities. Whilst they seemingly gain some territories, in fact on the long run they are just what they are. In the case of an uneducated unintelligent commenter on this blog it manifests itself in calling others by names, mostly fascists, while the person has no clue of the meaning of such word.

Such IQ shortage people cannot realize their inferiority; therefore they relentlessly participate in discussions and debates without adding anything to the deliberation. He feels threatened by the superiority of others with ample knowledge of the subjects and methodically tries to force them out of the playground. Eventually anger will blow his fuse …

Observer
Guest

Birthbart

Your repeating the Orbán propaganda panels is tedious, it will not turn these lies into any truth with this audience even if you do it 1000 times. Lenin knew intellectual people won’t fall for his “revolutionary” ideas, so take note (and buzz off).

Birthright
Guest

Observer
Lenin obviously did not talk about you.
Truth is relative what is true for you most definitely isn’t for me. But obviously you don’t understand this either. Facts are nothing for you until you will be one of the mowed down with open scalp on the pavement.

Guest

You wrote yesterday:
What the government is doing neither illegal nor inhuman. As you stated it was done to you too and nobody blamed the hosts, did they? Hungary has one and only self defense mechanism against the madness policy of EU and Soros bought politicians, deterrent.
The World should learn that there is no red carpet for the invaders here; therefore better to go somewhere else, perhaps Germany.

There is a very simple solution for all of Hungary’s problems with Soros, the EU and the refugees:

Just leave the EU!

I wanted to say it in stronger words originally …

petofi
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The Hungaricoes never leave money on the table. They’ll leave when the pocket-money runs out; and then they’ll go to Azerbaijan for handouts…

Hajra Magyarok!

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