Who is planning physical violence on the streets of Budapest?

In the last few days more and more political observers have become aware of Fidesz politicians’ frequent references to the violent disturbances that will take place on the streets of Budapest in the coming months. The weak and desperate opposition, encouraged by the foreign enemies of the present government, will forcibly turn against the democratically elected Orbán government, they claim.

The fact is that Fidesz’s forecast of such an eventuality is not new. Already in March of this year three important government politicians, within a few days of one another, predicted a “brutal election campaign” accompanied by possible physical force.

On March 24, 2017, Zsolt Semjén (KDNP), deputy prime minister, was the first to speak of such a possibility in an interview he gave to Magyar Idők. What will make the election “brutal,” he said, is the fact that the opposition will be fighting for their “sheer survival,” and in their “desperation” they will be ready for anything. This will especially be the case if “there is someone abroad” who will give them a blank check and munition. Under these circumstances, Fidesz’s campaign slogan should be: “We must defend the country.”

A few days later László Kövér (Fidesz), president of the parliament, talked about street disturbances instigated by George Soros himself. Kövér envisaged “an undisguised coalition, which might be established between the Hungarian opposition and the Soros organizations with the aim of fomenting attacks against the institutional system of democracy before the elections.” The dirty work will be done by activists of the Soros-financed organizations. “They will try to create a civil-war-like atmosphere.”

The next day János Lázár (Fidesz), chief of staff, picked up the thread and called attention to the forthcoming election campaign that will be more brutal than any in the last 30 years. More recently, Antal Rogán (Fidesz), propaganda minister, frightened his audience by describing dreadful scenes that will take place on the streets of Budapest.

The charge that Fidesz would face a “brutal campaign” became more intense as time went by. Now, it seems, defensive measures are underway. The latest piece of news is that László Földi, a high-ranking intelligence officer in the Kádár regime, has been hired by István Tarlós, mayor of Budapest, to be his “security adviser.” Földi remained in the intelligence apparatus until 1996, when he was removed from his post by the Horn government because Földi and his men had a strange notion of “intelligence work.” They were watching and reporting on MSZP politicians. Földi is a devoted supporter of the Fidesz government, which uses him as a “national security expert.” I don’t think I’m alone in regarding Földi as raving mad. Unfortunately he spreads his outlandish interpretation of world affairs in the government-sponsored media. I devoted a post to him about a year and a half ago. There I expressed my suspicion that Földi may work for the Orbán government behind the scenes. This suspicion was reinforced by the news of Földi’s association with Tarlós.

I must say that I was stunned to find Földi in the city hall of Budapest, because although I have a low opinion of Tarlós, I didn’t think he was so naïve and gullible that he would listen to a man who is clearly a lunatic. But then, I remembered Tarlós expounding on the block that was masterfully crafted to fit the door of the Russian-made metro car in order to create public dissatisfaction. It was Földi’s voice talking there. In an interview Földi gave to Demokrata a few days ago, he expounded on “a new political style” developed by the opposition, which “will create chaos by attacking the city’s infrastructure,” as, for example, in case of the metro cars. But there will be other problems cropping up in the future, like in the water and gas supply or in garbage collection. The opposition will take advantage of these small problems to turn the population against the government.

In the fall, when the trouble starts, Földi said, the government must be resolute and the powers-that-be mustn’t retreat. Földi noticed that there were many foreigners among the demonstrators who went out on the streets during the spring and early summer. These are paid troublemakers who go from city to city all over Europe to create chaos. Behind them is the “clandestine power” Viktor Orbán and others talk about. But if you think that it is George Soros who is at the apex of this hidden power structure, you are wrong. According to Földi, he is just “the delivery boy.” The real decisions are made by hidden groups for whom his open society is only an instrument, not the goal. Budapest must be ready for this onslaught, and the police must act firmly. Tarlós seems to fall for Földi’s scenario, as was evident during his press conference after the transit authorities’ e-ticket disaster.

“Peaceful demonstrators” in October 2006

All in all, something is going on in the heads of Fidesz politicians and their “advisers.” Mátyás Eörsi, a former SZDSZ politician with many years in the Hungarian parliament, wrote a lengthier post on the subject on his Facebook page. In his experience, Fidesz talks about its “own sins” quite openly but with great finesse. Whatever they have done in the past or plan to do in the future appears in their parliamentary speeches as accusations directed at their opponents. It is a devilishly clever strategy because the opposition is immediately forced into a defensive posture. Those of us who follow Hungarian events know that the current Hungarian opposition has no intention of wreaking havoc on the streets of Budapest. So, based on Eörsi’s past experiences, he thinks it likely that Fidesz itself plans to provoke disturbances, which would be a bonanza for the Orbán government.

In addition, Eörsi makes another important observation. Let me quote him: “For me, the words of Kövér and Rogán about riots on the streets are the clearest proof of the true story of what happened in Budapest between 2006 and 2008. If anyone, it is the leaders of Fidesz who know exactly who stood where and what party interests were behind the street riots. Fidesz, when accusing others of organizing riots, is actually making a confession. From the words of Kövér and Rogán we can understand who generated the street disturbances in Budapest between 2006 and 2008.”

September 4, 2017
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tappanch
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“something is going on in the heads of Fidesz politicians ”

Orban would love to copy the “occupy the Istambul bridges” (or “burn the Reichstag”) solution to introduce an open Erdogan-style dictatorship.

It worked in Turkey! The EU leaders by now are silent about the massive cheating that accompanied the referendum which legalized Erdogan’s unlimited power. In addition, they started to pay him 3 billion euros a year in April 2016 to keep the migrants/refugees in Turkey.

Orban will have the violent skinheads, his body-guard units TEK, the Chief Prosecutor on his side.

It is not an accident that the skinheads who physically prevented the referendum filing of the opposition last February were not prosecuted.

It is not an accident that the convicted mafioso skinhead who has connections to propaganda minister Rogan and who killed two people while driving under the influence of cocaine with revoked license was allowed to have a pleasure trip in the Seychelles after his act.

The Orban regime counts on its Sturmabteilung skinheads like it did in 2006.

Ferenc
Guest

Agree with you, but you’re only thinking about what FID can do.
My main concern is, if such Turkey-like things start happening, what can the democratic opposition do best…

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The opposition can not do anything. Everyone is attacking Turkey. The West does not like Turkey. But the winner will be Turkey. Winner will be Innocent People.

Ferenc
Guest

What’s this? The Turkish basement team at work??

Bursa web tasarım
Guest

I wrote to the wrong page: /

tappanch
Guest

In addition, Orban might have received word from his friend Erdogan that Turkey will resume sending hundreds of thousands of migrants/refugees to Europe after the German election in three weeks.

North Korea has missiles loaded with hydrogen bombs, Turkey has hundreds of thousands of people to blackmail the “West”.

john starr
Guest

For well over a year the Fidesz government has been building its repression forces which they will not hesitate to use against the opposition ala Erdogan. The TEK has been militarized with armored vehicles, helicopters and heavy machine guns. Even the Parliament’s guards have been equipped with submachine guns, light mortars, etc.
The security people at NAV have been supplied with 9mm hand guns as well as other guards like at the MN Bank.

tappanch
Guest

Paks 3.

“Egypt has finalized a deal to build a nuclear power plant with funding from Moscow after nearly two years of negotiations.

The reports Monday came after Egypt’s President Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi met with Russian President Vladimir Putin in China, where they were attending a summit.

The nuclear plant will be built in Dabaa, about 130 kilometers (80 miles) northwest of Cairo on the Mediterranean coast.

Egypt’s presidency says el-Sissi has invited Putin to Egypt to mark the start of construction.

In 2015, Egypt signed an agreement with Russia to build a four-reactor power plant. It will receive a $25 billion Russian loan to cover 85 percent of the plant, with a capacity of 4,800 MW.”

https://www.voanews.com/a/egypt-finalizes-deal-with-russia-for-first-nuclear-plant/4014549.html

Ferenc
Guest

Nuclear power in Egypt does not make much sense from any point of view.
During a trip through Egypt some 10 years ago, I have seen enormous windmill parks near the Red Sea. Furthermore apart from the sea sides and the Nile Valley, the rest (>90%) of Egypt is desert (with some occasional oases), which especially west of the Nile Valley is perfect for Solar Power plants!!
(from wiki: Egypt is the driest and the sunniest country in the world!!)

dos929
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I am not a great believer of conspiracy theories, but here is one of my own. One of this morning’s BBC news reports is about the ‘secret 3 billion € slush fund’ that Azerbaijan operated. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41156933: “Azerbaijan’s ruling elite operated a secret $2.8bn (£2.2bn) slush fund for two years to pay off European politicians and make luxury purchases, an investigation shows.” Let’s not to forget Orban’s frequent visits to Azerbaijan’s President Ilham Aliyev and the still secret agreements and other shady businesses between the two regimes. Now, let put us the 2 together and contemplate whether or not the EU’s reluctance behaviour in condemning and punishing the Orban regime for the hundreds of cases of criminal activities that were taken out straight from the pages of Orwell’s ‘1984’, stem from the abovementioned co-operation between the corrupt EU officials and the Orban regime… So, this incitement by the various government officials and their cronies, and accusations levelled against the opposition for this imaginary ‘planning physical violence on the streets of Budapest’ is really laughable if were not for the fact that it is deadly serious and prepares the ground for actions that were not seen in Europe since the Nazi and… Read more »
Martin
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Let’s repeat this again and again because apparently people cannot comprehend it.

The EU is an economic association. It is the Common Market. It is nothing more and nothing less. It is a geographical area in which capital may freely circulate.

The EU will never act decisively in political matters because such matters can get out of hand and may eventually lead to the questioning of the EU’s very existence and that would put the jobs of thousands of nervous bureaucrats in danger.

The primary goal of any organizations is survival. This is also true for any smaller unit of the organization (eg. employee’s primary goal is keeping his cushy job by any means necessary.) The EU will never do things which might risk that goal. Never.

The EU already has many problems on its hands which stem from its original mission that is to be a common market. The EU is thus simply unable to cope with more problems such as non-economic, domestic political ones.

Guest

Why are you writing such nonsense?
The EU had democratic principles to defend, it was meant as a step in the direction of a United States of Europe too. Just read the EU “constitution”.
Yes, the EU is slow to react – because it is built on democratic principles like compromise.

Member

What you say is not true. The EU from the beginning is a gemeinschaft of faith. If you are a part of it or not is another question.

exTor
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While your cynicism about Eurobureaucrats is probably not too far off the mark, Martin, you’re completely OTL WRT the EU. The European Union is now a supranational organization that has power over its constituent countries. That includes Hungary, as Orbán well knows.

Countries may secede, but they have to negotiate their withdrawals, which may be costly, as the UK will likely learn.

The future of the world is globalism in the form transnational groupings acting in concert with each other.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Guest

The EU began as a common market, but later broadened its agenda to become a stalwart of democratic principles.

Unfortunately, it has no legislature in place to protect the very principles which have become its raison d’etre.

So nothing will happen when the Hungarian government
turns violent against its own citizens who are critical of it.

wrfree
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If the EU is business enterprise then it is fundamental that marketing and innovation are the goals within the democratic entity. If a community is to be the greater than the sum of its parts well it just may seem Magyarorszag does not wish to engage in pulling its weight as it continually sticks wrenches in the gears to the point that the EU is almost a toothless tiger due to Magyar ‘irritabilities’.

Guest

This however might be an “Eigentor” (using O’s beloved soccer terminology) – Turkey has seen a drastic reduction in tourists since it is now believed to be dangerous for foreigners!
The German government has already warned people not to go on holiday there.
Will something similar happen in Hungary?
Only a small minority of Europeans wants to spend their holidays in an authoritarian country, seen as a kind of fascist state …

bimbi
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wolfi7777, 2:28 a.m.

Hmmm. A few years ago I asked an Italian why so many people visited Hungary from Italy. He thought for a moment or two and then said, “It must be the women”. That’s a strong magnet – as you already know!

Guest

I didn’t come to Hungary because of the women – I was happily married and my wife and I just wanted a “cheap summer residence” and a place for a friend of the family who wanted to have a horse …

How I found a new wife (after my first wife died of cancer) on the other hand is a crazy story – probability zero to follow Douglas Adams …

Member

I like your seeing the facts of life. Who one will fell in love with is a mystery. Your comments are shiny. 🙂

Guest

Totally OT:
Albrecht, I have no problems telling the crazy story of how my wife and I met or rather were “forced” to meet because a common friend told us again and again (independently, we had never met before …):
I have the perfect partner for you!
So in the end, just to quiet her, we both agreed to a meeting – in a restaurant and found out:
We both were “progressive leftists”, liked Science Fiction, Jazz and Blues and Rock music. And we were both atheists (!) and globalists – and last but not least as we found out the next day we both still – being both over 60 years – liked sex!
What’s the probability for this?

PS:
And my dog immediately took a liking to her – and she liked it too!
Too many coincidences, unbelievable in a way …
But we’re veryy happy together!

wrfree
Guest

Sonething to think about. As a matter of fact Kundera can keep one going for hours on things to think about.

“Chance and chance alone has a message for us. Everything that occurs out of necessity, everything expected, repeated day in and day out, is mute. Only chance can speak to us.”
― Milan Kundera, The Unbearable Lightness of Being

exTor
Guest

Well wolfi, back in 1984 when I was bombing around Hungary on my Kawasaki 1300, I heard about the West Germans who would flock to Lake Balaton for more than the biggest lake in Central Europe. Back then, and perhaps even now, ‘magyar lányok’ had a reputation for not being uptight about sex. Probably hooking up with Western boys was part of the allure.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Martin
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Even in theory in order for people to be violent there has to be something which really upsets them — and upsets them much more than the idea of an internet tax, corruption at the highest level (ie, the US visa care), or the potential shutting down of CEU which provoked demonstrations but no violence. Of course the leftist-liberals are way too timid and bourgeoisie to act like Fidesz-sponsored thugs back in 2006 or the right-wing thugs in Ukraine at Maidan. It is exactly the right-wing – supported by Fidesz and the Hungarian domestic intelligence agencies – which is eminently capable of violence. There exist numerous right wing paramilitary ‘civil’ organizations in Hungary and domestic intelligence (which is 100% loyal to Fidesz) usually controls them just as they do skinheads and football hooligans. There isn’t anything even remotely comparable on the left-wing. The corollary of the fact that in Hungary only the aggressive right wing thugs love to use violence is that unless the right wing thugs start leaving Fidesz there won’t be any revolution in Hungary. It was exactly the right wingers in Ukraine who did most of the “leg work”. But since Fidesz/Sandor Pinter/intelligence controls these right wing… Read more »
exTor
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I dealt with many of your points in an earlier [6:46 AM] comment. While I doubt that those who comprise the left, such as it may be in BP, are bourgeois as you believe, they are certainly are of a different manufacture compared to the excess-tattoo rightwingers with a penchant for football. The lefties would certainly not be ready to rumble righties. For a number of reasons what Fidesz said may not be real. ONE … Even Fidesz would realize that talking about violence before anything that it might instigate would be too obvious. TWO … As I said earlier, talking about assumed opposition violence is a way to get Fideszniks primed for the party. THREE … Talking tough about violence supposedly likely from the left is a propaganda measure to spread the Fidesz brand: the party that protects Magyarország from its enemies [outside agitators]. FOUR … For violence to occur it would have to be manufactured or something extant would have to be a manipulated. Outside of the US with its sizable Antifa groupings, there do not seem to be anything comparable on the left in Europe and certainly not in Hungary, as you pointed out. I dont understand… Read more »
Martin
Guest

I meant that violent overthrow of the regime is only possible if the right-wing thugs, footbll hooligans would leave Fidesz’ orbit (and their fidesz-loyal handlers) and they themselves would join the democratic opposition – at least for a brief moment like they did on Maidan. At Maidan it was the extreme right wing elements which did the actual fighting — like it or not without them the Russians would still control the whole of Ukraine.

Since such a common action is unlikely (unless such handlers themselves would leave Fidesz which is out of the question because Fidesz allowed the Hungarian siloviki to make untold billions so they are 100% loyal) it is inconceivable that Orban’s system would be brought down by any violent action.

tappanch
Guest

“What is the Azerbaijani Laundromat?

A scheme to curry influence, pay lobbyists, apologists and European politicians and to launder cash. The $2.9bn (£2.2bn) operation ran between 2012 and 2014.”

[The money] “comes from companies linked to Azerbaijan’s president, Ilham Aliyev, state ministries and the International Bank of Azerbaijan, the country’s largest bank, which recently filed for bankruptcy protection. The cash was transferred into four offshore-managed UK companies.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/04/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-azerbaijani-laundromat

tappanch
Guest
tappanch
Guest

[Russian & Azeri government] —> $2.9 billion —> [European politicians & Azeri elites]

Member

There is (thankfully) zero chance of pro-democracy forces in Hungary using violence against the Orbanist dictatorship.
Violent thuggery is the sole preserve of the Fidesz/Neo-Nazi sector of Hungarian society.

If only there was any hope of overturning the fascist regime by genuine, non-violent street protest but the sad truth folks is that apathy now reigns supreme.

The dictatorship will not fall at the ballot box for the simple reason that the psychotic dictator will not permit it, end of story.
So where does that leave us?

First step is that pro-democracy and all anti-Fidesz parties should refuse to give the regime any legitimacy by partipating in the sham of the election next year.

wrfree
Guest

Re: ‘….zero chance of pro-democracy forces in Hungary using violence against the Orban dictatorship’…

That could change if violence is directed against those with a different opinion on looking at things going on in the country. It’s evident that a situation like the one here in Washington where Erdogan’s ‘security detail’ and others bashed heads against protestors can occur in Magyarorszag. Those involved in the fracas from Erdogan’s detail were told to hightail it out and will get arrested if they return to the US.

Fidesz’s ‘references’ to violence is disturbing. And Orban plays with fire when it comes to that if violence does break out. He and the acolytes just might go too far. And then Magyar society will exactly see what kind of government they have staring them in the face. It may sound a death knell then for ‘apathy’.

Member

Violent thuggery is an essential part of the Fidesz DNA.
If you want a recent exampe, look at Orbanist filth like Áron Borbáth who attacked the young girl at Orbans speech in Erdely during the summer. His fellow Fidesz scum cheered him on and even encouraged him to knock her teeth out.

Now, a uncivilised part of me (the same part that wants to see Orbans end to be swinging from a lamp-post in the Korut) wants to see people like Borbath to get a taste of their own medicine, the Fidesz thugs are only brave when they are faced by defenceless girls or OAPS.

But in truth can you imagine that kind of counter-reaction coming from LMP or Momentum activists or just normal decent folk no matter what the physical violence inflicted against them? Of course not. This is not a criticism, quite the opposite.

wrfree
Guest

Re: ‘Violent thuggery is an essential part of the Fidesz DNA’

D7D…..beats the hell out of me how Magyarorszag stands for it. The complicity is stunning. I do not understand. I do not understand.

Ferenc
Guest
FID talk about street disturbances, riots etc.against ‘democracy’ in Hungary. My first thought (again!): KI MINT ÉL, ÚGY ÍTÉL EVIL DOERS ARE EVIL DREADERS FID did so much EVIL in the past, and are now dreading for others to reply with similar means. That seems to be their current train of thought. So if they are thinking this, what methods are they thinking about to defend ‘their democracy’ against ‘those evil forces’. Is OV&Co able to go as far as, e.g.: -direct some ‘border-hunters’ to the capital to support the ‘democratic’ police forces? -call in supporters from the country-side to defend the capital? -when sensing election defeat, arranging things in order to be able to call for ‘state of emergency’ and suspend the elections? (remember first Nepszabadsag was only suspended…) I don’t know, haven’t got a clue how (too) far OV&Co are able and willing to go. One thing the real democratic parties should never do is go in defense, I mean it’s not them who started nor are responsible for non-peaceful protests, if such would occur. Best they should do is observe at the sideline, fairly report and judge about all happenings (from all sides!) and make clear to… Read more »
exTor
Guest

DEAR LEADER:
Your flock truly loves you.
This says our everything.
LOVE, MAGYARLAND

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MAGYARKOZÓ

Member

Where did you come across this gem?

exTor
Guest

Actually it’s rather easy to find topical picture files. The trick is to do a google search with the word ‘images’ or ‘pictures’ or ‘képek’ amongst the search parameters. I think that I included ‘viktor’ and ‘névnap’. The one I chose happened to be the first one listed.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Ferenc
Guest

New FID slogan apeared on their facebook – https://444.hu/2017/09/04/meg-csak-szeptemberben-van-de-a-fidesz-mar-kijelolte-a-valasztasi-kampany-szellemi-szinvonalat

If I had the choice: OV or Fence demolition
Well that’s simple, of course first OV!!

Ferenc
Guest

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simple choice, isn’t it…

Bursa web tasarım
Guest

Turkey will always win. The West will fall, the Middle East will triumph.

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Guest

Turkey will always win. The West will fall, the Middle East will triumph.
The genocide is done and we should raise our voice against this genocide.

Bursa web tasarım
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“There is a possibility of a cultural counter-revolution right now.” – Viktor Orbàn… + İlave olarak ‘Man of the Year’ Anti-immigrant Hungary PM Orban says Mass Migration causes “elimination” of “historical identities…

Observer
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tappanch
john starr

Yes.
It’s fascism and it bites, beats and kills, if resisted.

I bet Orban will try to raise mayhem if he sees a danger of loosing the elections, and, of course, if he actually looses it.

exTor
Guest
http://nepszava.hu/cikk/320254-2006.-október-23-a-hiteles-története Most modern events now have their own associated conspiracy theories. Witness Charlottesville, with many rightwing nutters trying to postulate it as an ‘inside job’. Just google ‘charlottesville setup youtube’ for a looksee at the ‘IJ’ videos. Lots of fertile imaginations percolating out there. Notwithstanding misbegotten conspiracy theories, conspiracies do exist. It is not beyond the realm of the possible that Fidesz is up to something to undermine the anticipated opposition to it in the leadup to the election. That said, it is counterintuitive to talk openly, albeit misdirectingly, about something that will (or is likely to) occur, because that kind of talk draws too much attention to the purport-to-be, as is already obvious. The learnèd consensus is that an individual acting on his own set the fire that consumed the Reichstag February 1933 and that Hitler used the fire to blame his enemies, primarily Communists. Others contend, however, that it was a false flag [inside job] planted by the Nazis to attack their enemies. Anything is possible with Fidesz, which may have used its early talk about disturbances as a way to psych up its party base for a rough election fight. Fidesz’s talk of upcoming trouble may actually… Read more »
bimbi
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“Who is Planning Violence on the Streets of Budapest?” Easy – the Orban Thug government is planning violence on the streets of Budapest. They did it in 2006 and then blamed the Gyurcsany government by turning facts upside-down. But do they need to? No they don’t, because the highly weaponized private armies built up by Orban and his thug cronies (as pointed out by another commentator above) carries inherent in them the threat of violence sufficient to make law-abiding citizens very afraid. Fideszniks know this works very well for it allows the continuation of the disgraceful rape of Hungary’s resources by the Fidesz ruling oligarchs and “servants of the people”, i.e., the members of the government. A little mathematics: Orban’s “strohmann” Meszaros Lorinc months ago was said to be Hungary’s 5th richest man – worth ½ a billion Euros. This alone represents almost €60 stolen from every member of the Hungarian population – and then Bözsi néni is happy with a 1% increase in her pension! And then there are all the other Fat Fideszniks…. Fidesz – Mafiosi, crooks, thugs, thieves and liars – but hey, they can live with that… Finally, in a “how to” article in today’s Guardian… Read more »
Aida
Guest

Is “strohman” the same meaning as “placeman”?

Guest

It’s from the German Strohmann = strawman

Ferenc
Guest

“strohmann” literally means a puppet filled with straw
in this case of “strohmann” Meszaros, it means he’s a “front (man)”

“placeman” (which I didn’t know before, so had to looked for) is a political appointee to a public office (especially in 18th century Britain)

Aida
Guest

I think it is a current term to describe those who have been put in place by Mafia boss politicians like President Zuma and in this case by VO, to collect their money. So our friend Meszaros has a more important role than just a puppet filled with straw.

exTor
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STRAWMAN … Many Hungarians (and certainly many English speakers) misunderstand what a strawman is. I believe that Magyars use the calque of ‘strawman’ [szalmaember] to mean a ‘scarecrow’ (as in the Wizard OV).

Magyars also use the soundalike ‘stróman’ to mean (per my online dictionary) ‘dummy’, ‘frontman’, ‘stooge’, ‘strawman’. I usually interpret the word to mean someone acting on another’s behalf.

In argumentation, a ‘strawman’ is the intentional misrepresentation of a debate opponent’s position. This falsity is then knocked down ‘logically’, thereby implying that the debate opponent’s position is similarly without logical merit.

MAGYARKOZÓ

exTor
Guest

You got me, Éva. I oopsed on this one. I actually remember seeing ‘madárijesztő’ somewhere. I did find ‘szalmaember’ online, which made me think that it was legit for ‘scarecrow’. My bad. Interestingly, my online dictionary gives ‘gereblye’ as an alternate Magyar word for ‘scarecrow’.

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Couldn’t find any scarecrows made from rakes.
https://hu.glosbe.com/en/hu/scarecrow

MAGYARKOZÓ

Ferenc
Guest

Found some good info on wiki about ‘strohmann’
in German: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strohmann , from there you can choose your favorite language, but note less info than on the German original…
‘Strohmann’ history: goes back to the Argei rituals from Roman times, during which straw filled puppets made some sort of procession, after which they were thrown into the Tiber River. Detail info (in English) at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argei
All in all ‘strohmann’ seems to have little to do with ‘scarecrow’ [‘madárijesztő’]

Guest

Anyway the more interesting person of course is always the “Hintermann” – the man behind the Strohmann/puppet, the person who pulls the strings …

Jan
Guest

Who has links for the 2006 riots?
Is there a post on it in this blog?
Thanks in advance.

tappanch
Guest

The Orban government plans to pass an amendment to a law, which would effectively hide the amount and the path of the taxpayers’ money that goes into “sport”, and from “sport” to private accounts.

http://index.hu/gazdasag/2017/09/05/adotitok_torveny_eloterjesztes_tao/

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Jean P.
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WHO IS PLANNING PHYSICAL VIOLENCE ON THE STREETS OF BUDAPEST?
Certainly not the opposition. They can’t plan anything. That’s for sure.

tappanch
Guest

Here is another analysis, which would have been timely seven years ago:

“Defending EU Values in Poland and Hungary”

“the EU’s legal and normative framework, which is essential to its deep economic and political integration, is under major threat. If the EU allows two members to get away with reneging on core values, the contagion effect will be huge, both in the union and its region.”

http://carnegieeurope.eu/2017/09/04/defending-eu-values-in-poland-and-hungary-pub-72988

tappanch
Guest

it is really me, made a typo in my fake e-mail address

Huk
Guest

Good luck to you all, my family and I have fled to Germany. It’s depressing to see such a wonderful country ruined . I sincerely hope the people come to their senses. In the meantime I hope the contributors to this blog stay safe.

Martin
Guest

OT about honorary degrees.

In 2002 OV was awarded an honorary law degree by Tufts University’s Fletcher School.

It is rumored that Orban originally wanted the honorary degree from Harvard but it declined (note that by March 2002 Orban was clearly on the right and showed his antidemocratic side). Tufts nevertheless eventually issued the degree.

I wonder if Orban’s antidemocratic accomplishments, his unabashed corruption (presiding over a fully-fledged kleptocracy) coupled with the slow strangulation of CEU could make Tufts to revoke this degree.

http://tuftsjournal.tufts.edu/archive/2002/march/briefs/index.shtml

wrfree
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They should to ‘get things right’ after 15 years. It’s like V.O. getting the M.D. practicing a little for a few years and then opens a barbershop using the laying on of leeches and blood-letting to kill the pain of a heart attack. Tufts might want to check his ‘practice’. He certainly thinks he can get away with it in the 21st.

Ferenc
Guest

Just watched HirTV Egyenes and the following came up there: WHY is Fidesz stirring up?
In the current situation it doesn’t make any sense: FID is by far the party with the biggest support, don’t have serious contenders (at least so far). In order to keep such a situation and support, it would be best to quietly continue with what they’re doing, so back to the question: WHY?
Why are OV&Co so afraid? For what? Do they know more, expect something seriously damaging their position to be made public? If so, by who? The only suggested possibility was Simicska, but there could be something else or more…
Curious for your thoughts on this!

Observer
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After robbing for so many years Orbán surely has stashed some loot abroad and surely someone else knows about those bank accounts (the scale of his corruption requires the involvement of specialisrs
Most provably Simicska, now Gyurcsàny mentioned some document, the rest is anybody’s guess.

Ferenc
Guest

I agree. But these ‘rumours’ don’t seem to influence popularity, so why would some kind of proof coming from ‘enemies’ change anything in that.
Furthermore in the program they didn’t look any further than the elections. Now I can very much imagine that all these building up of tension, enemies, etc.might have something to do what OV&Co have in mind for after the elections (EU, Russia, ‘100 years’…)

tappanch
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It looks like Orban received at least $7.6 million from the Azeri dictator 5 years ago for releasing the convicted Azeri murderer of an Armenian !

https://atlatszo.hu/2017/09/05/budapestre-dollarmilliokat-utalt-europai-politikusokat-is-korrumpalt-az-azeri-rezsim/

https://atlatszo.hu/2017/09/05/azeri-gurulo-dollarok-budapesten-a-baltas-gyilkos-kiadasa-idejen/

tappanch
Guest

Here is an eyewitness testimony below how Ramil Səfərov murdered Gurgen Margarian in his sleep in 2004.

http://budapest.sumgait.info/kuti-balazs-account.htm

petofi
Guest

$7.6 million…?

That’s ridiculous.
He must’ve gotten atleast 50 million EUROS, and not dollars….

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