The seeds of hatred taking root in the Hungarian countryside

What happened in Őcsény shocked people who have been watching with growing concern the Orbán government’s perilous anti-refugee campaign. For some time one could hear anxious comments about the dreadful consequences of the brainwashing that has been taking place in Hungary over the last two and a half years. Some professionals familiar with the repercussions of such mind-changing techniques predict it will take a generation to alter the mindset of the approximately two-thirds of the population that has been heavily affected by Viktor Orbán’s hate campaign.

Of course, this is not the first such incident. I reported on one about a month ago, which was followed by a second one in the same vicinity. In these two cases, the region’s Fidesz member of parliament, instead of calming the situation, inflamed it. The distinguished legislator showed a total ignorance of the law when he advocated restrictions on the free movement of refugees who had already received asylum in Hungary. These two incidents demonstrated that the constant lies with which the population, especially the rural population, is barraged through the government media have resulted in genuinely frightened people.

The first two incidents were, however, nothing in comparison to what happened in Őcsény. In the first cases mostly older women expressed their fears and said all sorts of silly, uninformed things. In Őcsény, on the other hand, there was solid hate. As one of the inhabitants said on a video I saw, 99% of the population of the village shared her hatred. Venom was pouring out of these people’s mouths and physical force was used. Death threats were uttered, tires were slashed, and bricks were thrown. I heard one person justify the use of force as a legitimate defense against the onslaught of migrants.  And those who didn’t go that far screamed inarticulately, without listening to the people who tried to calm their fears. They simply didn’t want to hear any of it. The only bright moment was an uneducated Roma with bad grammar who had more understanding of the world than the misled inhabitants of the village.

Connected hatred

The events in Őcsény are different from the earlier incidents in another respect. The hatred and violence were directed not only against the refugees but against those who help them. It would be high time for Viktor Orbán to face facts. The seeds of hatred he planted might be politically useful for him, but in the long run it is a devastating strategy. It is a strange election campaign in which everything turns on the largely bogus migration issue. As it stands now, the election will pit Fidesz, which is defending the country in the face of the migrants, against the left-of-center opposition, which, with the help of George Soros, wants to open the floodgates to the immigrants. Utter insanity.

Yes, this is a dreadful situation, but what came today is the greatest shame of all. Viktor Orbán, the prime minister of Hungary, stood by those who threatened to kill the people giving shelter to refugee children.  Speaking to reporters ahead of the European Union’s Digital Summit in Tallinn, he said that he sees “nothing wrong with the protest.” Hungarians “don’t want to accept migrants into the country or into their village. They have been so often lied to in migrant affairs that if they are told that they’d be receiving children, their response will be: ‘first children, then parents, then family reunification, and then we’re in trouble.’ It was quite right that they expressed their opinions categorically, loudly, and clearly.”

So, Viktor Orbán approved the actions in that village, actions that are contrary to existing Hungarian laws and as such are punishable offenses. This is how far he is ready to go. Where will all this lead?

September 29, 2017
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Member

“Viktor Orbán, the prime minister of Hungary, stood by those who threatened to kill the people giving shelter to refugee children”

Orban`s journalist friend and prominent member of Fidesz, Mr Bayer has previously justified the murder of Roma and celebrated the massacre of Jews in the White Terror. But this is the first time that the Prime Minister of a European Union country has openly stood full square behind the violence of the racist, nazi moronic scum which is presently infesting Europe.

Observer
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So there will be nothing objectionable if someone threatened to shoot this Orban character as a way of expresing his “opinion categorically, loudly and clearly”?

Welcome to Orbanistan.

Joseph Simon
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Hungary is simply not used to receiving immigrants especially from the third world. Remember the US Exclusion Act, no Chinese immigrants, or Woodrow Wilson`s comments on Hungarian and Polish immigrants.
In 1956 the US took in some thirty thousand Hungarian refugees, no more.
Some historical parallel.

Guest

You’re funny, Joe!
Now you’ve confirmed my thesis that Hungary is culturally and politically at least 50 or 60 years behind the civilised West – thanks a lot!

Btw what is your opinion on this?

Every year the World Economic Forum compiles a global ranking of the quality of public education. Ten years ago, Hungary ranked 37th of 138 countries, but last year it slipped to 96th position. Higher education has followed a similar path, sliding from 65th position in the ranking in 2006 to 114th in 2016.

According to Népszava, other statistics are not favorable either. The aim of the EU is for 40% of those aged 30-34 to have a higher education or equivalent qualification by 2020. This rate in Hungary was 34.3% in 2015, and 32.8% in 2016, while the EU average is currently 39%. The number of dropouts is also increasing, while it is falling in the EU.
https://bbj.hu/economy/standards-slipping-in-hungarian-public-education_139435

The dumbing down of Hungarians by Fidesz is very successful!
You don’t need education to raise pigs for Orbán …

Ferenc
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And: You don’t need education to vote for pigs like Orbán

Member

Please don’t insult innocent porcines, who are Orban’s victims (and ours), by likening them to him…

Ferenc
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OK, sorry, my excuses to them!

Observer
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Joe Fidesznik

You are not seriously implying that the US hasn’t/doesn’t accept enough migrants? If so, it it pretty cretinous.

Member

These seeds were planted many decades ago.

Ferenc
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Seeds (for fear of foreign/unknown) are in each and every human being.
It’s the cultivation by OV&Co that makes them root and grow!!

Member

These seeds were planted many decades ago!

Guest

In German:
Der Schoß ist fruchtbar noch aus dem das kroch.
Horthy and Hitler – Hungary’s idols …
Of course not all Hungarians are like that – just had a discussion with my wife’s young ones. They couldn’t stop laughing at the idiocy of the latest Fidesz-Soros campaign (like any civilsed person). I wonder what my German friends will say when we return there.

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Marty
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Oh, this is just the beginning. The prelude. Orban is just getting started. A few deaths here and there will not be the end of the world – look at Rodrigo Duterte. He’s insanely popular, no democratic politician can even dream of his popularity. Duterte simply “allowed” the murder of 4,000 people (and counting). Voters just love that. I know, I know. People will say, no, Orban did a lot of bad things, but he won’t do THAT. Then I repeat. Orban will do any and all things to remain in power. He is not leaving power as long as he breaths. If a few lynchings will help his cause he will engineer those lynchings. People anyway just love public executions. Historically they have always been a great public amusement and these days in many countries they are conducted in public before crowds. For many people it’s fun to see others being killed or tormented because it’s a great relief: it’s somebody else there who is being executed, sure, life is shit, but at least we get to survive, unlike those f***g losers. No surprises here. We are 9 years after the start of the Great Recession. 9 years after… Read more »
Member

Orban’s mafia gang is not causing anyone to “meet with an accident” yet because they don’t need to. There are no serious threats to their power. If the Gambinos had had no competition in New York City during Prohibition, would it have been necessary to order hits on members of the Morello family?

However, I will allow that Mssrs. Welsz and Váradi might have a different opinion.

Member

For balance, it must be remembered that MSZP also had a mafia gang. The country has for generations been run by a criminal elite, more obvious than in most other countries.

Ferenc
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What balance?
If you put MSZP past gang on one side and the current OV&Co gang on the other side. Do you consider them equally bad on all scales?????
If so your scales are seriously one-sided!!

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leegee

Please cut the nonsense, it is like saying there are murders in Stockholm as well, not only in Tijuana or Caracas.
You’ll need dozens of the MSZP sets to get anywhere close to the Orban orgy of corruption.

dos929
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If I may ask some rhetorical questions; if such events would occur in any western democracy and their PM would express the same opinion as Orban does, how long such a PM could stay in power? Furthermore, are the leaders of the western democracies deaf and blind to the horrific tyranny that took hold on Hungary under Orban? When will the ‘enough is enough’ be drawn on the EU leaders to finally act? I am utterly ashamed for having such an inept leadership and representatives in the EU Assembly…

petofi
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@ dos929

What ‘western democracy’?

Orban is a tribal leader–

Member

@dos929 “if such events would occur in any western democracy and their PM would express the same opinion as Orban does, how long such a PM could stay in power”

Have you not been following events in Trumpistan lately&

Ferenc
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So another example of BOTH NOT being a real democracy?

Member

For those who read Hungarian: I know Eva has mentioned this before, but it seems all the more appropriate these days.

Endre Ady: Let’s Get Back to Asia
http://mek.oszk.hu/05500/05551/html/adypr0183.html

Member

This does deserve emphasising:

“They literally threatened me, that they would separate my head from my body!”

I knew the position in rural Hungary was beyond hope but even I have been shocked by this level of barbaric savagery….the inhabitants of this village are threatening to behead one of their own neighbours for the crime of providing a bed for refugee kids. Get that? They want to behead one of their neighbours!

No more excuses for these “people”, they are evil scum, pure and simple.

In the civilised world they would be facing lengthy jail sentences for their hatred and violence, in Hungary the Prime-Minister congratulates them. That is the sick country we are living in.

Guest

Not too much OT – Since Azerbaijan seems to be such a perfect fit for Orbanistan these might be the people next on the Fidesz list, Bayer would surely agree and many other Fideszniks too:
Authorities in Azerbaijan’s capital, Baku, have begun a vicious crackdown on the city’s LGBT community, according to activists in the country. Reports suggest that over the past 10 days dozens of gay and trans people have been arrested. One person the Guardian contacted said he had been beaten in police custody.

Homosexuality is legal in the oil-rich, post-Soviet country, but a survey released last year by a rights organisation ranked Azerbaijan as the worst of 49 European countries in which to be gay.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/28/azerbaijan-police-crackdown-lgbt-community

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For those who read Hungarian, I recommend Krisztián Nyáry’s Facebook posting at http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10155778819704855&set=a.165101444854.116423.614474854&type=3&theater .
The illustration is a poster, possibly from 1920 comment image ), showing a caricature Jew in a red fool’s gown with a five-pointed star leading an endless-looking trail of blindfolded Hungarian men away from the triple hill with the double cross, and with the text “Our working brothers, you are being led astray!”. The text quotes an account from 1919, how after the Communist Tanácsköztársaság had been vanquished, the White patrols led by Horthy’s officers agitated the people in villages and small towns against Jews (making them as a group responsible for the Red terror), so that many Jews were lynched. Horthy himself never gave a direct order to lynch Jews. He didn’t need to. Of course, writes Nyáry sarcastically, the posters distributed everywhere had nothing to do with this. And, this is how Nyáry ends his posting, “it’s pure coincidence that I came to think of this now.”

wrfree
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Incredible. The ‘skills’for this kind of work are terribly ‘on show’. But to make a nation truly just and displaying character emphasizing the best of the land is found lost and wanting. The disjunct is profound.

Sigurd
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I love how the presupposition that accepting refugees is inherently a good and desirable thing and goes without question.

Any opposition to this paradigm comes with sanctimonious reproval and gasps of indignancy that such unenlightened discourse could possibly
exist in the current day.

Then you somehow think that forcing a cohesive people to accept a foreign culture and race into their small country is reasonable.

When the people are watching the news every day and seeing the results in London, Paris, Italy, etc. and then decide that they don’t want any of it, you label it “hatred”.

The United States still cannot integrate the black population and the Jews still remain a separate people.

I marvel and laugh at the sheer ignorance of the left-leaning mind.

Guest

Another troll? Paid by whom?

Hungarian racism at its best – you forgot to mention the Pirez!

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