Viktor Orbán rails against the European Commission’s “reasoned opinions”

This morning Viktor Orbán delivered one of his most ferocious attacks on the “Brussels bureaucrats.” He usually relegates this kind of conduct to his minions. He himself tries to maintain the level of decorum fit for a “serious” politician of a “serious country,” as he called Hungary and its government in the midst of his rant.

It is hard to tell whether Viktor Orbán was really as upset as he sounded in this interview on state radio or whether it was feigned indignation, preparing the ground for a meeting initiated by Jean-Claude Juncker with the Visegrád 4 countries. I suspect it was the former. I think he meant every word of his harangue, and I am almost certain that this strident attitude of the Hungarian officials led by Viktor Orbán himself will only be magnified in the coming months.

The immediate cause of Orbán’s outburst was the European Commission’s latest “reasoned opinion,” which Hungary received two days ago. In June the Orbán government passed a law on the status of foreign-funded non-governmental organizations that the European Commission considered to be in violation of the right of freedom of association and the protection of private life and personal data, which are safeguarded by the European Union’s Charter of Fundamental Rights. The law was, they argued, also a breach of the principle of free movement of capital. In July the Commission initiated an infringement procedure, to which the Hungarian government had three months to respond. If the response was unsatisfactory, the Commission would take the next step in this legal process, issuing a “reasoned opinion.” It was this “reasoned opinion” that reached Viktor Orbán’s desk with the message that “if Hungary fails to reply satisfactorily to the reasoned opinion, then the Commission may refer the case to the Court of Justice of the EU.” In July Hungary also received a reasoned opinion on the higher education law, which disproportionately restricts EU and non-EU universities in their operations.

On October 2 Jean-Claude Juncker invited the prime ministers of the Visegrád 4 countries to a dinner on October 18, which was labelled a “conciliatory” one. But Viktor Orbán, judging from this interview, is girding himself for battle, or at least he is very skeptical that Juncker can offer them anything that will be satisfactory. In any case, Orbán, in his current frame of mind, is not ready for any kind of conciliation. In fact, he has a profound contempt for the whole institution and its politicians, and he finds the European Commission’s legal pronouncements unworthy of serious consideration.

First of all, these two infringement procedures “have nothing to do with the Charter of Fundamental Rights or the European Constitution.” They “smell of politics even from far away.” The opinions issued are “the objects of general derision everywhere in Europe. A sensible lawyer wouldn’t even touch it…. It is clear that this document is the result of a political diktat… A lawyer—how shall I say—can’t even talk about it in all seriousness and without laughing. This is so ridiculous that one doesn’t even know what to do with it…. Perhaps the most ridiculous argument is about the free movement of capital. What does a donation have to do with the free movement of capital? These are ridiculous things…. If we accepted them, we would become laughing stocks. This is a serious country which even after a month of deliberation cannot say more than that this whole thing is ridiculous. Therefore, the case will end up in court.“ Orbán’s conclusion is that “the people like the European Union but they can’t stand its leadership.”

Viktor Orbán’s attitude toward European Union politicians and administrators is well illustrated by his story about the European Parliament’s delegation that visited Hungary about a week ago to assess some EU-funded projects. During the course of their visit members of the delegation went to see one of Orbán’s pet projects, the narrow-gauged train built in Felcsút, the village where he spent his first 14 years. The delegation found everything in perfect order. Why did they come in the first place?, Orbán asked. Because “they must occupy themselves with something while we are defending Europe instead of them.” These no-good MEPs attack the valiant Hungarians whose soldiers and policemen defend Europe. But he doesn’t give a fig.

After this diatribe he moved on to the Soros network and the Soros “plan,” introducing some new elements and twists. One is that his government was the one that “accomplished a very important task. It uncovered “the network of George Soros which until now had been hidden.” He declared that Fidesz politicians will daily prove the connection between the European Parliament’s committee that is investigating the Hungarian government’s undemocratic ways, which may lead to the triggering of Article 7 of the Treaty of the European Union, and George Soros. Because all the members of the committee are Soros’s men. “They are his allies who eat out of his hand.” The report they write will reflect Soros’s conclusions. The cards are stacked against Hungary. The Soros “plan” works.

Orbán came up with an entirely new interpretation of the origin of the Soros “plan.” In his opinion, it was a direct answer to his own plan, which he submitted to the European Union as a solution to the migration crisis. Although it is not entirely clear, I suspect he is talking about Soros’s 2016 essay “This is Europe’s last chance to fix its refugee policy.” Orbán recalled that he had published a comprehensive plan at the height of the crisis, which consisted of several points outlining “how Europe should be defended, offering some solutions.” At this very moment, “as an answer,” Soros made public another plan that had several points just like his. Instead of his own ideas, it was this Soros “plan” that was adopted by the European Union. Brussels will deny this, but it is time to let the bureaucrats know that “Hungary is not a country of imbeciles.” They know what’s going on. The EU politicians cannot pretend that all this is just a coincidence. Hungarians “are not simpletons.” On the contrary. They know that “George Soros bought people, organizations … and that Brussels is under his influence. As far as immigration policy goes, the Brussels machinery is carrying out Soros’s plan. They want to dismantle the fence; they want to bring in millions of immigrants; and they want to forcibly disperse them among the member states. And they want to punish those who don’t submit.”

Orbán apparently “smiled mysteriously” when the reporter referred to the “friendly dinner” the Visegrád 4 countries will have with Jean-Claude Juncker. He indicated that he is not sure the meeting will be all that friendly. Of course, we know that Viktor Orbán behaves differently in Budapest and in Brussels. Perhaps today’s tiger will be a bunny rabbit by October 18.

October 6, 2017
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Joseph Simon
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Re Wolfi7777

When we talk about cities in Erdély, why should we not just say Kolozsvár, Nagyvárad, etc., without those tortuous Romanian make-up names for those places.

seinean
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Well, maybe because most of those cities from Transylvania have a Romanian majority population IMHO… “Tortuous” , “make-up names” ? Really ?

Marija
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It’s always amazing and a bit scary to see how much mileage they’re getting out of the “Soros conspiracy” claim.

Off-topic, but apparently Trump fancies a meeting with Orbán in the near future:
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/10/06/trump-strong-brave-hungarian-pm/
The note that he needs to solve the small issue (?) of North Korea first makes you wonder how enthusiastic the current US government really is about the a meeting. Then again, this is all according to Szabó, so whether such a conversation even took place is anyone’s guess…

Guest

I cannot help but wonder how long it will take for Orbán to take Hungary out of the European Union once EU subsidies stop…

Mihaly
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It’s really outrageous what he is implying and it’s coming right from the mouth of a Prime minister himself. He is basically saying that the European parliament and Commission are corrupt as hell. By saying that Hungarians aren’t imbeciles, but know what’s going on, he is also saying the rest of the European population who don’t know the Soros plan are imbeciles.
This cannot go unanswered by the EU without making themselves completely ridiculous. It’s not only what is being said, but infringement procedures or European courts decision are not respected

Istvan
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“He is basically saying that the European parliament and Commission are corrupt as hell.” Well that is fundamentally a true statement (see https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/01/jean-claude-juncker-blocked-eu-curbs-on-tax-avoidance-cables-show ) and of course so is PM Orban corrupt as is the Fidesz Mafia state, or Putin’s Russia, or in Vietnam where Orban recently visited where pay offs to communist party officals are the normal practice (see http://www.business-anti-corruption.com/country-profiles/vietnam ).

We saw how the supporters of Brexit utilized EU bureaucracy and corruption to facilitate their own goals of getting the U.K. out that did nothing to fix the EU’s problems. Orban is effectively doing the same thing he effectively points at drunken Juncker and his insider dealings with Amazon while he has done far worse himself.

Marty
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Juncker and Martin Selmayr, his German head of cabinet, must be total idiots if they in late 2017 thought that any conciliation with Orban is possible. Alas they can’t be anything other than fundamentally weak Western citizens. How many times do we have to repeat it? Orban, just as Putin and other strongmen viscerally hate conciliation, the very idea of conciliation or compromise makes them mad. They have goals, visions and principles (however twisted and corrupt). They got where they are exactly because they never made any compromises – they destroyed their opponents instead of concluding compromises. To give up anything from those goals just to satisfy some rich Westerm European bureaucrat is a total no go. To translate Orban to these political lightweights (ie. Juncker, Selmayr): “F*** those rich liberals”. This is what Orban thinks even if he can fool some people at a dinner party. Orban can only be *forced* to change his mind. That presupposes that there is real leverage over him, real power, real influence over him. Like Putin has a kompromat about Orban and the tap which he can turn off. What does Juncker have? Gentlemanly talks will lead nowhere. Orban may be a great… Read more »
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@Marty:
We have a saying in German:
If you have visions, then go see a psychiatrist!
Being able to compromise is in the definition of democracy – so what you are saying implies that O etc are not democrats but power-hungry fascists!
I rest my case …

PS:
So you think a rich fascist is better than a rich liberal?
O may look to you like a winner but that means that the rest of the Hungarians are losers.
For the EU all this is just some fly sh*t on a wall, in the wild, wild East (I’m tempted to quote Karl May: In den Schluchten des Balkans) – far away where civilised Europeans only go for a cheap holiday and people toil for a meagre living …

Ferenc
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OT – case of Lili Bayer
European Federation of Journalists issued alert in the case of Lili Bayer being attacked by spokesman Kovács
http://www.coe.int/en/web/media-freedom/all-alerts/-/soj/alert/29265782
In the additional information linked under the alert, especially the 2nd one (Kovacs. Mar.02: “how liberal media manipulate PM’s remarks”) is very peculiar. K.’s post is about the media outcry after OV spoke about ‘ethnic homogeneity’ in his speech at Feb.28. While on the same day, Mar.02, in their weekly “government’s ‘info’ circus-act” the two clowns K & L tried to hide exactly that part of that very speech!
Who’s complaining here about manipulation by others, while simultaneously performing it himself?
Details at http://hungarianspectrum.org/2017/03/02/scandal-after-scandal-trying-to-hide-the-real-meaning-of-ethnic-homogeneity/

bimbi
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Viktor Orbán – never at a loss for words especially of anger, contempt, dishonesty and lying. Day after day we must witness new examples of his speeches and actions, now in full “campaign mode”.The Orbán government: the boil on the backside of the European Union. These days in Hungary the only political advertisements that one can see are those pushing the preposterous National Consultation, itself based on falsehood and lies. Until a few days ago we could see in the streets of Budapest the familiar faces labelled “The Boss”, “The Strawman”, “The Liar” and “The Bondholder” but these have been removed no doubt by some new arbitrary law or edict from “The Boss”. Meanwhile, over in Britain, itself undergoing severe travails, there emerges from the shadow of eclipse a revitalized party offering a government “For the Many, not just for the Few”. Hungary should be so lucky to see such political honesty put into practice! In this little Balkan state – population about the size of London – we have seen crafted, step-by-step a government “For the Few, not for the Many”. The Few being Orbán, Tiborcz, Rogán, Lázár, Habony, Matolcsy, Penztáros and the Fidesz faithful band of oligarchs. The… Read more »
Member

It is very difficult to tell if Orban is being clever or simply deranged. I tend to think the latter. It appears to get worse and worse with time.

Ferenc
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OT – Ocseny and aftermath go international
Financial Times (Oct.06): “Hungary’s anti-migrant campaign takes root as villagers vent fury”
https://www.ft.com/content/4ae32ad0-a9cb-11e7-ab55-27219df83c97
includes following English subtitled video (made by Index)

Guest

These rantings sound like the hallucinations of a madman!
“Constiption theories” like NWO – straight from Alex Jones? Next he’ll maybe quote The Elders of Zion?
If you turn some of O’s utterings around …
“Hungary is a country of imbeciles.” They don’t know what’s going on. The EU politicians cannot pretend that all this is just a coincidence. Hungarians “are simpletons.”
As we say in German:
Umgekehrt wird ein Schuh draus … 🙂

PS:
My wife is thinking that O bears an old grudge against Soros:
He showed him with his English stipend what he had missed growing up in Socialist Hungary – and now he thinks it’s all the fault of Soros …

wrfree
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Re: VO as point-man of the Vis 4 against the EU If he means what he says the EU might want to put the question to him on staying or going. Truly the compass just might be pointing more to the East. Patience is a virtue but it is unbecoming to continually hear the appalling disrespect to an institution without doing anything about it. VO looks to want to be in a relationship but conceivably it’s on his terms and it cannot be anything but contentious where the EU will be continually beleaguered and consequently exhausted with Magyar affairs. And leaders in the East love the squabbling. Pretty soon the law of diminishing returns may well up if this situation continues for the EU. Is it worth it then for this kind of affair to be occurring as a member is obviously having trouble cooperating with others with all the wasteful concomitant issues brought up as a result of it? Perhaps the most telling observation in the relationship is the fact that illiberalist countries are simply not interested with democratic give and take and norms any more. They’d rather be on the forefront to be the growing cancer which poisons… Read more »
Joseph Simon
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Lázár Vilmos ezredes, aradi vértanú levele feleségének Arad, október 5-én 1849. estve ​ Kedves szentem, egyetlen Marim! Mindenem e földön! – Egy sejtelem mondja nekem, hogy holnap reggel, mielőtt még egyszer láthatnálak – elvérzettem – és velem több becsületes, derék bajtársaim! Marim! Te, aki szívem minden hézagját bírtad, Te magad maradsz e földön. – Te voltál mindenem, Te leszesz utolsó sóhajtásom. – De marad még neked egypár jó embered, és az én és a Te szegény gyermekeid. Ezekben találd fel minden földi boldogságodat, ezekben összpontosítsd szeretetedet, és az Isten kebledbe fogja önteni a vigasztalás malasztait – és arra törekedj is, ezt kívánja nyugodalmam a másik világon, melynek rejtélyei előttem nemsokára megnyílnak! Én érted és nyugodalmodért fogok az Istenhez imádkozni – Te, édesem, mindenem, hasonlóképpen értem imádkozz. – Károly szavát bírom, hogy rólad és gyermekeinkről gondoskodni fog. Szerencs hátravan ugyan, de jóakarat ki fogja pótolni a hiányzót. – Isten Veled! Isten veletek! Szeretném beléd lehelleni utolsó sóhajtásom – de az úgyis meg fog történni. Én mártír vagyok, és ártatlanul halok meg. Az Isten, aki még sohasem hagyott el, most sem fog elhagyni – én pedig szellemképp körül foglak lebegni mindenha! Légy nyugodt, és élj boldogul – örök szerelmemben. – Ott fenn… Read more »
Istvan
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“Én mártír vagyok, és ártatlanul halok meg.”

I think: a polgárháborúban kevés ártatlan.

Aida
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Joseph, thank you for the pretty letter. It is moving, of course. One can forgive this young man his delusion of innocence just as he was staring death in the face. But, patriotic he may have been, and some will question just exactly what the Hungarians were doing and why in 1848/49. If asked, I would not have agreed with killing him. He was of no danger as a Colonel in a defeated army. He might have been more use for peace and the future if pardoned.
However the fact remains that he, just like, I think all those shot at Arad in October 1849 had been commissioned in the Imperial Army. He left and later took up arms against his King. General Bem who was notone of the Kng’s officers was able to make his way to Turkey where he died not much later. Those were sad times. Hungary has too many such memories and they cloud the future.

Istvan
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A Kaiserliche Armee ragasztója megkövetelte a kivégzést. A népek börtönképe Ausztria volt, és a hadsereg is. Another way to look at it is in relation to the suppression of revolts in other armies that led to mass executions. In the US Army during the Mexican American war that was happening in 1846-48 we had a revolt of largely Irish soldiers who joined with the Mexicans called the Saint Patrick’s Battalion. Once the Mexicans were defeated fifty Saint Patrick’s battalion members were officially executed by the U.S. Army. Collectively, this was the largest mass execution in United States history. It was meant as a lesson for draftees from minority groups in the USA, just the same as the Austrians saw the executions of the revolting Hungarians. Enforcing discipline is sometimes a bloody and horrible affair. As a young officer sent to Vietnam in 1972 I was warned of what was called “fragging” where enlisted soliders killed their officers by tossing a hand in our sleeping quarters. There were 12 such instances while I was in Vietnam, during the entire war there over 800 such attacks with at least 92 officers or non-commissioned officers killed, and more than a few times I… Read more »
Aida
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Well, shooting 13 senior officers who fought their King to whom they swore loyalty is hardly “mass executions”. Very unpleasant and should have been avoided.

These guys took a calculated gamble. They win and they live in luxury and as heros of a grateful nation. They lose and they get their brains blasted out.
Gorgey was a pharmacist not one of the King’s officers. He lived to a great old age.

I doubt very much that the entire enterprise to take on the King, or rather his mother and Prince Metternich was thought through. What was going to be the result? At what cost? Downside risks? An early example of the bollocks behind Brexit. In the latter case the price will be paid by the fools who wanted it. My heart bleeds.

Aida
Guest

Another thought on this grim event. Petofi dealt with a similar subject with greater brevity and great poetry in his poem to his wife:”September vegen”.

Member

“Hungary is not a country of imbeciles.”
” Hungarians “are not simpletons.”

Once again Orbán is daring to claim to speak on behalf of all Hungarians, the majority of whom are in no way “simple” or “imbeciles”. However, a substantial amount of his own voters possess no intellect whatsoever and indeed for that section of his society, “simpleton” or “imbecile” would be the kindest description. They would believe him if he told them tomorrow that Soros was ordering an invasion of Martians who would be arriving very shortly to steal their pigs and palinka.

As the recent events in the Ozveny have proven, the typical rural Fidesz voter are on the very lowest rung in terms of brainpower and I do wonder if the amount of in-breeding which takes place in such villages and towns has contributed to this moronic sublayer ensuring his popularity in such hellish backwaters.

Ferenc
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Re: közröhej = public ridicule = silly (in simpleton MP language)
Breaking, breaking, herewith we can make public the so far secret next step of the ‘közröhej’ government, picture supposedly taken yesterday when the ridiculed leader left the public radio studio after his interviewcomment image

Ferenc
Guest

This the info, that the diliruced dealer has sent to all the members of his simple movement, they got the order to imbe-silly study it during the weekend as preparation for coming week’s circus acts

Guest

Does Orban’s spewing of amazing unreasoned opinions indicate that he is mad? No, they indicate that he is evil and has discovered that there is a bull market for evil ideas.

wrfree
Guest

Nothing like a ‘democrat’ going bad. Democracy must have made him tired and ill. Too much trouble toil and more trouble.

Guest

Rather OT but really interesting:
https://www.poynter.org/news/ultimate-guide-bust-fake-tweeters-video-toolkit-10-steps
An analysis of some fake (bot …) Twitter and Facebook accounts used to spread fake news on the German elections – propaganda for the AfD, sourced in:
Russia – of course!
The article describes tools which help you find out whether a site is human or the product of some program – really clever.

ambator
Member

Well, in his moral outrage he forgot to mention to his audience that the Visegrad project is as good as dead and the dinner at Junker’s will most likely be a wake.
Now, ain’t that too bad?

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