Viktor Orbán’s government: “The manifestation of God’s grace”

While the Catholic Church celebrates November 1, All Saints’ Day, Protestants this year are remembering October 31, when Martin Luther is said to have nailed his 95 theses challenging the Catholic Church to the door of Wittenberg’s All Saints’ Church five hundred years ago. Celebrations of the event abound, not just in Germany but everywhere that Protestantism has sprung up since.

Historical Hungary is the eastern bastion of Protestantism, so remembrances have taken place in Slovakia, Hungary, and the Transylvanian part of Romania. A committee was set up to stage a “national” celebratory gathering to commemorate the event in Budapest. As far as I could ascertain, only the Magyarországi Evangélikus Egyház (Hungarian Lutheran Church) and the Magyarországi Református Egyház (Hungarian Reformed Church) were involved. The Catholic prelates stayed away, unlike in Germany where both Lutheran and Catholic clergy participated in church services and celebrations and vowed to do more for the unity of Christianity, according to the Associated Press.

The event took place in the László Papp Budapest Sports Arena that can seat 12,500 people, but the organizers slightly overestimated the interest. Quite a few seats were empty. Mind you, attendance was not free. It cost 500 forints (about $1.50), though for that one also got a sandwich and an apple. Before Zoltán Balog and Viktor Orbán delivered their speeches, a Lutheran bishop gave an invocation and a Reformed bishop a full-fledged service, called “istentisztelet” (veneration of God) in Hungarian.

But let’s move on quickly to Viktor Orbán’s speech because, let’s face it, most of the people paid the 500 forints to hear him. As far as Orbán speeches go, it was short, but it raised quite a few eyebrows among those who find Orbán’s governing style increasingly intolerable. The sentence that created the greatest stir was the prime minister’s claim that it is no accident but an “expression of God’s mercy” that Hungary currently has a Christian government. Hungary Today, an English language internet news site that is financed through hidden channels by the Hungarian government, reported on the speech in the briefest possible manner, which might have something to do with the fact that there were some truly unacceptable statements in his text.

“Impetus for Renewal” / MTI / Photo: Zoltán Máthé

Orbán defined himself as a Calvinist prime minister and said he was asked by the church leaders to deliver a speech to this crowd solely because of his religion. But surely, at a “national” celebration of the Reformation the prime minister’s religion is irrelevant. He is there as the political leader of the country. Just as Angela Merkel was at the German celebration not as the daughter of a Lutheran minister but as the chancellor of Germany. Orbán continued the Calvinist theme by recalling that “exactly 99 years ago anti-Christian forces killed our pre-eminent Calvinist prime minister, István Tisza [1861-1918].” This statement is untrue. Tisza’s death had nothing to do with his Calvinism. His murderers didn’t kill him for his Christian religion but because they considered him responsible, rightly or wrongly, for four years of brutal war. But such minor details don’t bother Viktor Orbán.

That was just the warm-up. He claimed that “our lives and our work are determined by a higher force and power.” It was God’s decision to place the Hungarians in the Carpathian Basin just as it was God’s ordinance that he is the prime minister of Hungary today. One mustn’t see the existence of a Christian government leading Hungary today as the “caprice of fate” but as “the manifestation of God’s grace.” He doubled down on this theme by saying that “we consider it a privilege that in this renewal [of the country] Providence has used us, our churches, the government and the free community of Hungarian citizens in the whole Carpathian Basin as instruments [of His will].” He added that Hungary will be a country “where all forms of work, from street sweeping to governing the country, serve the glory of God.” What can one say?

The final thought of the speech is perhaps the hardest to interpret. Orbán was talking about the unification of the nation across borders, which is a very difficult undertaking. But “the Biblical force that five hundred years ago received an overwhelming impetus entrusts us with one more task,” which seems to be “the ultimate and great unification of the nation.” What this ultimate and great unification means exactly, it is difficult to say. It might be a spiritual union of Hungarian souls, but I still don’t know what do with “the recognition of truth which frees us,” which is supposedly necessary for the accomplishment of this task. I really wonder whether he himself knows what he is talking about.

Hungarian newspaper articles more or less came to the same conclusions I did, except that they didn’t even try to solve the puzzle of “the ultimate and great unification of the nation.” But György Gábor, a philosopher of religion who is always enlightening and often amusing, commented on Orbán’s “laughable ignorance” in matters of religion. Orbán described his government not only as Christian but also as “hitvalló,” literally “professor of faith.” The problem is that in Hungarian “hitvalló” means “confessor,” which originally meant someone venerated as a saint, Christian martyrs, people who were known for their moral perfection or who lived an ascetic life. Gábor added: “So, imagine now for a moment the pure and moral members of the government who are beyond reproach.” And, of course, there is the additional problem that “confessor” is a strictly Catholic title associated with sainthood.

I think it might be instructive to read what Angela Merkel had to say on this day. She stressed the importance of tolerance toward the wide variety of beliefs. “Those who embrace plurality must exercise tolerance—that is the historical experience of our continent,” she said. “Tolerance is the basis for peaceful togetherness in Europe.” This is exactly what Viktor Orbán rejects. Instead, he asks for “assistance in the form of prayers from [his] Protestant and, naturally, Catholic brethren” for his work for a Christian and Hungarian Hungary.

November 1, 2017
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Alex Knisely
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The recognition of truth that frees us — surely an echo of John 8:32, And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make ye free. That verse is embedded in remarkably angry back-and-forth between Christ and the Jews, with the Jews accused as servants of sin who refuse to hear that truth. Hungarians not yet entered into the Church of Fidesz, take note.

dos929
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Christian Orban????? In the history of Hungary Orban and the FIDESZ is the most destructive force since WW2. Orban is a habitual liar, which would not matter were he just a private citizen. But as the PM of Hungary he made it his primary task to feed the citizens of Hungary and the EU with litany of lies and propaganda for the likes of which one has to go back to Nazi Germany and the Rakosi regime. The ‘dear leader’ with his ‘Christian heart’ doesn’t care about the old, the sick, the neglected and the general demise of the population at large, he cares only about the robbing of the country’s assets. His ‘fortune’ under the disguise of his buddy, Meszaros, has doubled-tripled in the past 1-2 years whilst the general condition of the hospitals and their medical equipment are in a state of disrepair, where old-peoples homes have to close down without the needed state assistance, etc… etc… Orban has no religion, no beliefs, no moral stand, and he has only one God; himself… If there would be justice in this world he would have been ex-communicated by all religious institutions, governments, organisations and political parties. His speeches and… Read more »
Observer
Guest

Hear, hear!
Not only the most destructive, but also the most corrupt for sure and morally disgusting figure of the last 150 years (save for Ràkossi maybe).

Guest

A bit OT again:
Driving our friend to the hospital this morning again I wondered at all the “Soros” billboards, large and small, in the villages that we passed. As I’ve written before my wife got that national consultation paper with the 7 statements – Eva wrote about them here:
http://hungarianspectrum.org/tag/national-consultation/
But imho there wasn’t a literal translation of these statements, the sources and the questions – where can I find it to show it to my German friends, so they can have a good laugh?
Sorry if I’m too stupid to find the translation myself …

PS:
It’s especially funny that for some of the alleged statements the English sources are given like the Financial Times, Bloomberg etc which 90% or more of the voters can’t read anyway …
Poor “Christian” Hungary!
Maybe it would be a good idea to have the different “sects” fight against each other in an arena/football stadium (like in Roman times) to reduce their number.
Enough empty stadiums are available in Hungary …
Panem et circenses!

Ferenc
Guest

Well Eva has posted this http://hungarianspectrum.org/2017/10/01/national-consultation-on-the-soros-plan-questions-and-infoboxes/ based on the texts as first published in Magyar Idok (did they forget some letters? Idiotak?)
For another complete translation of the whole NC paperwork, check this https://theorangefiles.hu/2017/10/27/national-consultation-on-the-soros-plan/

OV: “We are counting on your opinion!”
Really? Do you believe OV’s statement? YES – NO

Guest

Thanks, Ferenc! The orange files text is exactly the one on that letter – with all those silly refernces.

PS:
Next O will tell Hungarians that it’s of course Soros’ fault that there is no toilet paper in the hospitals – he gave it all to the refugees/immigrants …
And they (or at least a large number of them …) will totally believe it!

Ferenc
Guest

Re: (football) stadiums
On monday were talks between Sebastian Coe (Athletics boss) and HU government about Athletics WC in 2023. It seems serious, so expect building of more (and bigger!) stadiums (which after 1 use mostly stand empty…, for the rats and mouses…)

Ferenc
Guest

Wolfi, ever thought of making a video for your friends, about what you pass along the way, to show them ‘how Hungary looks like’ in the autumn sun?

wrfree
Guest

Re: foci…foci…foci….foci..and more foci….People have to be ‘focied’ out. Don’t know how that puts food in the table.

You know this all seems to show that real ‘small’ big ideas constantly need big mouths to make sure the word gets out.

Guest

Ferenc, no – then maybe they’d be afraid of visiting us …

Many of us have special insurance which means in case of an accident we can be flown back to Germany.
And the university town where we live in Germany is famous for its hospitals, we also have several Max Planck Institutes and Amazon has right now announced they’ll finance some AI scientists there.
Following wikipedia it’s the youn gest town in germany and the one with the highest quality of life – with around 100 000 inhabitants, 28 000 of which are students, also several thousands work for the university and the clinics …
I’m not complaining – neither is my wife who was astounded (and really happy …) about the way she was greeted by my friends and family when she came with me …

Marty
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This is bullshit of course but Orban takes Christian religions seriously. No opposition party cares about them. Why? It’s one thing that Orban decided to channel astonishing amounts of money to the main traditional Christian churches and worked with them to effectively privatize rural education (basically transfer white folks into well-funded parochial schools and leave problematic roma kids illiterate in the underfunded state schools) but the underlying message from all these Christian theatrical performances for the average voters is that Orban is “one of us”. He is “a Christian who thinks that Christian roots/values are important”. Voters like that. Hungarians are not religious at all but Christianity is one of the many details based on which voters conclude whether a politician is “one or us”, “we think he is familiar”, “he means well”, that “he has values”, that “he is orderly”. Hungarians are atheist Christians, but Christians nonetheless, its part of their identity. When traditional identity markers (e.g. I am a manly white male machinist, the main breadwinner, head of the family) are diminishing or are being questioned, other identity markers must take over such as Christianity, being Hungarian (“nemzeti érzelmű”) etc. Thus Christianity is not much more than a… Read more »
Jean P
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”…Orban takes Christian religions seriously. No opposition party cares about them. Why?”
Because their potential voters are atheists who think that church people are hypocrites, power hungry and corrupt.

Marty
Guest
Jean, you misunderstand this. People are not religious, do not attend mass, think that church people are hypocrites etc. yes, but still they think that Christianity as such is valuable, something that is worth keeping. It’s the same thing with Fidesz – many people are not happy with Fidesz, they think Fideszniks are corrupt etc. but will still vote for Fidesz because Fidesz to them represents stability, ability to decide, unity, discipline, tradition, zealous defense of Hungary against foreign interests, utility cuts whereas the left-wing represents, I don’t know, constant bickering, impotence, surrender to foreign interests, love of dangerous migrants etc. People think that at the end of the day Christianity does represent a lot of positive things (just as Soros is a symbol of many bad things) and those positive things are now associated exclusively with Orban and Fidesz. If the strategies of the opposition parties would be so good, Fidesz wouldn’t have increased its popularity in two months by more than the entire stagnating popularity of DK or LMP (which have been stagnating every since the formed 5-8 years ago). The opposition is stuck and many issues are at play including ceding the entire Christian discourse to Fidesz… Read more »
Jean P
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Fidesz is gaining because of its press monopoly which is established with stolen money.

Marty
Guest

Fidesz is gaining for a host of reasons – including the stupidity, lack of vision and lack of leadership offered by the opposition (which is a pretty usual situation in any autocracy) and yes because of Fidesz’ media monopoly.

Member

You nailed it.

Ferenc
Guest

Some more quotes from the speech, ‘all in celebration’ of 500 Years Reformation:
“Hungarian universities are being built in Transylvania and hundreds of kindergartens throughout the Carpathian Basin.”
“Today Felvidék, Transcarpathia, Vojvodina and Transylvania are celebrating together.”
“The reality of a peaceful unification of the nation across borders is visible.”
“For a final and great unification of the nation, we shall need the truth that will not only set us free, but that will also keep us together – uniting not only the parts of the nation, but also Hungarian souls.”
Well what does this indicate? Think back 100 years!
Personally I very much fear for the future of the people in Hungary in this respect, so far things are peaceful in the sense that there are no fights over borders. But can’t imagine any really peaceful border modifications to happen, surely not when pushed by such an, at heart undemocratic, government!!

Guest

Yes , the money is there for parochial schools and kindergardens outside of Hungary – but inside Hungary?

I got so angry today when I took our friend home from the chemotherapy, you can’t imagine how angry I still am!
I had to wait so I looked around the run down hospital and even went to the toilet – of course no toilet paper or paper towels or cleaning stuff …
The people are trying their best at cleaning the really old rooms, ongoing repairs – and this is an oncology station for people with life threatening cancer, unbelievable!
Has Hungary become a third world country again?

Do Hungarians just accept this – seeing how the Fidesz honchos become billionaires at the same time? Are they that stupid – or just resigned to all this like my wife? But at least she would never ever vote for Fidesz unlike the majority …
And then you read that “Hungarians love Orbán” – are they pervert masochists or what?

The best joke is O and the other mafiosi claiming to be Christian – I thought “love thy neighbour” was part of this funny belief system …

Ferenc
Guest

Re – state of hospitals
If I was in the opposition in Hungary, I would start to convert all money, budgets, costs, etc.into things and/or services clearly needed but lacking currently in the Hungarian healthcare system.
The figures in Forints or Euros could be too abstract for most people, but when converted into something, they know to be missing, this would much better confront them with what is currently going wrong in Hungary.
Don’t know which unit is best (nr.of toiletpaper rolls seems too primitive, and in itself not life threatening), but there have to be lacking other essential things, which speak to most people in Hungary for sure!

Guest
To anwer your questions – just taked to my wife’s younger son and his wife and they told us the most abominable stories about hospitals in Budapest (not somewhere in the far outreaches of civilisation …): Toilet paper (and missing food and food utensils, towels, bed clothes etc) is just the tip of the iceberg! Before an operation the standard procedure in some hospitals is now to give the patient’s relatives a list of necessary things like gaze, special drugs to inject and other materials which they are to get at a pharmacy (at their own cost of course …) and bring to the hospital before the operation can start. And if you have a rare blood type the docs might tell you that they can’t operate on you, because they don’t have and can’t get the necessary blood conserves. The simple solution for this: The family should post a request on facebook e g – everybody with blood type AB1Rh- (or whatever, I’m not a doc) please come to the hospital XXX and donate blood – declaring that this blood is for your friend, patient YYY … If enough people donate, the operation will be done! Can you imagine… Read more »
wrfree
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Re: the state of the hospitals

I have heard some people actually want to ‘retire’ there. Unbelievable. Must be a death wish or something. When will they get a ‘program?’ I sure have alot to understand of why things are as they are. The country is a weird place on some things.

Guest

The next step might be “Soylent Green” – one of my favourite dystopian SF movies …

It was really unbelievable walking around and sitting there waiting for my friend and looking at the building/watching the people moving around.
PS:
My first wife worked in a German university hospital and we had many friends there so I have an idea how people working in a hospital usually feel and behave …
Though not all is well there (far from perfect actually) the contrast to the situation in Hungary is still extreme!

Andy
Guest

C’on Cuti… ’twas in 1994, 23 years ago that the patient was epected to bring h/h toiletpaper to the hosp… in major Bp Hostpitals.

However I have never found it necessary to bring my own medications for my treated illnesses to the hospital.

All in all, I can report that after 25 years in LOCO and numerous stays in various hospitals, I’ve come out indemm….

Hooray – undougbtedly God played his PART !!!!!!!!!!!!!

🙂

Andy
Guest

Wolfy, no need to stress yourself no moe… You’ve watched the flow for a good 10 years plus…

In the past you had seemed to revel in the opportunity Hungary gave for you to bathe yourself in this great healthy balm.

Seeeeeeeeeeeems like yar deep understanding is cathing ON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

🙂

Guest
Andy, I’ll tell you a secret: I never wanted to go to Hungary – never went to any of the “Communist” countries. In 1996 one of my sisters lived in Bp, her husband worked for one of the big global players. He was told that he’d be moved after 3 years to another country (like all his colleagues in finance&control) and he told me ugly stories about the corruption in Hungary. After that I went to the Balaton – didn’t like it, but Hévíz was nice. In 1998 we (or rather one of our daughters …) had a “problem guy” at home in Germany. To get rid of him my first wife had the idea to buy an old house in Hungary near Hévíz for him to work on – which we and our extended family might use for holidays. We always worked part time, so we had enough free time which we used to spend in Croatia, but that was getting more and more expensive. In 2000 we had to throw the guy out and I did some renovations myself. In 2003 my wife was diagnosed with cancer – no chance for her even though I left my IT… Read more »
Istvan
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Eva is is not surprising that the Catholic Church in Hungary is not recognizing the 95 theses against the Catholic Church. Just last year this article appeared in the US based National Catholic Register just last year justifying the excommunication of Luther http://www.ncregister.com/blog/darmstrong/50-reasons-why-martin-luther-was-excommunicated Given your general critical perspective to organized religion Eva I am surprised your essay did not point even I passing out Luther’s horrendous 1543 thesis titled: On the Jews and Their Lies. Luther proposed seven measures of what he called “sharp mercy” that German princes could take against Jews: (1) burn their schools and synagogues; (2) transfer Jews to community settlements; (3) confiscate all Jewish literature, which was blasphemous; (4) prohibit rabbis to teach, on pain of death; (5) deny Jews safe-conduct, so as to prevent the spread of Judaism; (6) appropriate their wealth and use it to support converts and to prevent the lewd practice of usury; (7) assign Jews to manual labor as a form of penance. As hard as it is to believe Luther was probably not an anti-Semite in the racist sense. His arguments against Jews were theological, not biological. But the net affect was equally as horrendous as Nazis race based anti-semitism.… Read more »
Guest

Istvan, Protestants can be just as crazy and inhuman as Catholics – that’s the high point of religion for me.
You should read up on the other “reformers” like Calvin and Zwingli …
When I was younger I hated them with all my heart for what they did to society – now I just detest them!
Of course there are nice religious people, but …

Aida
Guest

Istvan, you are apparently a troubled man.i am sorry you have been less than happy with the Catholic Church. I was decades ago. We soon parted company to my entire satisfaction. Unlike Pope Francis I do not need to pray to fall asleep.

What you wrote on Luther’s is most interesting.

Observer
Guest

Istvan

Luther’s Warning against the Jews is in the same spirit. Add the excesses of Calvin and Zwingli, the horrors of the religious wars, etc.

Ergo, religion is BAD, like most things based on authority/dogma/faith instead of evidence supported reasoning.
In Dawkins I trust.

Guest

Again for those who can read German:

Karl Heinz Deschner: Kriminalgeschichte des Christentums – 10 volumes!
Partielle oder vollständige Übersetzungen des umfangreichen, über 5000–seitigen Werks erschienen in italienischer, spanischer, griechischer, polnischer und russischer Sprache.
Though it’s never been translated into English, there is detailed info in English available:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriminalgeschichte_des_Christentums

wrfree
Guest

Sometimes the ‘manifestation of God’s grace’ for earthy reasons run into a dead end. It is there with some high-sounding defenders of the faith that the ‘odor of sanctity’ stinks to high heaven.

It can be assured. They will give another view of ‘unification’ and Christian piety as they veer out of their pews for the nearest exits as the ‘great unwashed’ come to receive God’s grace. All in the upside down world of a ‘religious’ Magyarorszag.

Zsolt
Guest

A funny thought struck me. While Western Europeans are predominantly atheist they care about the needy immigrants. At the same the predominantly Christian Eastern Europeans prefer to let those immigrants in need rot in their misfortune. What does this tell us about Christianity and /or Eastern Europeans?

wrfree
Guest

That if they thought about it in their hypocritical reveries they would come to the realization that reality shows them to be a sort of unloving blunders of God where those who embrace a ‘nothingness’ rather wash the feet of the indigent and flourish in the dirty waters. In that those of ‘no God’ are holier than those who sing prayers by rote from their hymnals.

Observer
Guest

The self laudating “Christians” here don’t care about anyone, not even about their local Hun brethren in need: witness the pitiful or non existing unemployment benefits, the humiliating system of fostered labor paid well below min wages, the world record 27% VAT, the nominally unchanged in years family support, the recurrent sporadic actions agains homeless and gypsies, the propaganda against those, etc.

petofi
Guest

For Hillary Clinton lovers: google, “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Takeover Of The DNC”, by Donna Brazile…

Istvan
Guest

Lets recall Petofi who Donna Brazile was. She was a CNN contributor who actually resigned over revelations that she sent questions to be used to Hillary Clinton’s campaign in advance of a CNN debate and a CNN-TV town hall.

But what I find most interesting about Donna Brazile’s take on what happened with Sanders is that she paints herself as shocked by this corruption and blameless herself.

We know, thanks to the DNC Russian email hack, that Donna Brazile gave the Clinton campaign questions in advance for a debate against Bernie Sanders. It’s hard to both claim to be shocked by the Clinton camps running of the DNC, while we know for a fact that she actively participated in it. After all, if she had given the questions to both campaigns she would have said that when the news of her feeding the questions leaked. Instead she resigned from CNN. Brazile is a Democratic Party hack, who was involved in blocking the socialist Sanders from getting near the nomination. As you have pointed out before Peofi, as I recall, Sanders polled better than Clinton against Trump. She did her part in getting Trump elected too.

Wolfgang Aschauer
Guest

The content of V.O.’s speech is not as crazy as it sounds. An important part of calvinist doctrine is predestination, which means – in Calvin’s words – that “all events whatsoever are governed by the secret counsel of God.” Therefore, “nothing happens but what [God] has knowingly and willingly decreed.” This excludes “fortune and chance.” (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/) That means that e.g. success is the result not of one’s efforts but of god’s grace. So being the prime minister of Hungary and getting rich is not the result of the will of the people or of successful manipulations or other types of human acting but the effect of god’s will respective his grace. I think V.O. is a good calvinist.

Guest

Yes, an old adage of Laser Johnny (Lazar Janos) is:
If you have nothing then you are nothing!

PS:
But I always believed that a majority of Hungarians was Catholic (at least on paper)?

Ferenc
Guest

in 2011:
38.9% Catholic (37.1 Roman, 1.8% Greek)
27.2% Undeclared
16.7% Non-religious
13.8% Protestant (11.6% Calvinist, 2.2% Lutheran)
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Hungary

tappanch
Guest

Poll, taken between September 6 and 17. Sample size = 1000

Don’t say / don’t know: 40%
Fidesz: 31%
Democratic opposition combined (7 parties) 20%
Jobbik 9%

http://republikon.hu/media/38449/republikon_kutatas_prez_1709.pdf

Member

Republikon’s October poll is even more exciting! Fidesz at 32% among the entire population, 54% among decideds.

http://kozvelemenykutatok.hu/2017-oktoberi-kutatasi-eredmenyek-republikon/

tappanch
Guest

“Total Survey Error includes
Sampling Error and three other types of errors :
Coverage Error,
Measurement Error, and
Non-Response Error.”

Sampling error, margin of error at

at 99% confidence ≈ 1.29 / sqrt{n}
at 95% confidence ≈ 0.98 / sqrt{n}
at 90% confidence ≈ 0.82 / sqrt{n}

If the sample size n= 1000, the margin of error is

at 99% confidence ≈ 4.08%
at 95% confidence ≈ 3.10%
at 90% confidence ≈ 2.59%
at 31.7% confidence ≈ 1.00%

The change in the October vs the September poll was 1% only, Fidesz 31% –> 32%, Democratic opposition 20% —> 19%,
therefore we can be only 31.7% confident that the 1% change have actually occurred.

Another thing. Look at the huge, 40% non-response rate !
The pollsters should raise the sample size at that rate to 1700 to maintain the 3.1% sampling error with 95% confidence.

tappanch
Guest
Correction: 31.7% should be replaced by 50.59% above. If you want the margin of error to be less than plus-minus 1% with 95% confidence, you need to ask at least 9604 people in the poll. At least how many people do we have to ask in order to state with c% confidence level that the support measured for Fidesz is plus-minus m% of reality ? c; m= 0.5%; 1%; 2%; 3% 50%; 4550; 1138; 285; 127 60%; 7084; 1771; 443; 197 70%; 10742; 2686; 672; 299 80%; 16424; 4106; 1027; 457 90%; 27056; 6764; 1691; 752 95%; 38415; 9604; 2401; 1068 99%; 66349; 16588 4147; 1844 Pollsters usually like 95% level of confidence, but they frequently forget to mention this fact.
tappanch
Guest

If the sample size is only 1000, the margin of error is plus-minus

4.073% with 99% confidence
3.099% with 95% confidence
2.601% with 90% confidence
2.026% with 80% confidence
1.639% with 70% confidence
1.331% with 60% confidence

Andy
Guest

Tappancs: !

99 + 101 = 1999,876543210

This note was of MOST importance

🙂 🙂

Ferenc
Guest

Today was 2nd day of retrial Ahmed H.
Live tweets from court room at https://twitter.com/demeteraaron
Some examples (chrono order):
-Police: defendant wore a red shirt.
-AhmedH: I did not.
-Police: Maybe not, I do not remember exactly.
-comment: so far hearing brings no surprise as we listen to contradictions in police testimonies
-police testimony read out now effectively confirms AhmedH was 1) calling for calm 2) not leading crowd that turned violent; crucial details
-AhmedH: I cannot recognise myself, I lost my identity. Am I a man of georgesoros*, a terrorist or a journalist?! [some laughter at the court]

Retrial will continue Jan.8-12, Ahmed has to await this in jail (now for more than 2 years his ‘home’)

*Fidesz published Oct.30 (1st day of retrial): “Ahmed H. is a member of the Soros organization, that why they want to get him free” (and which media copied this text? well no surprises: origo, magyaridok, mti, etc)

Jean P
Guest

We, Viktor I by God’sgrace King of Hungary, Prince of Transylvania, Duke of Vojvodina, Zakarpatia and Komárom declare that we do not wear this crown without humility. 

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