George Soros’s messages and the Hungarian government’s reactions

George Soros, simultaneously with releasing his rebuttal of the Hungarian national consultation on the alleged Soros Plan, gave an interview to Andrew Byrne of The Financial Times, in which he explained his decision to break his silence. He cannot remain quiet any longer because the Hungarian government about a month ago announced its intention to investigate the so-called Soros network. Under these circumstances, he felt he had to “set the record straight in order to defend these groups and individuals who are going to great lengths to defend European values against persecution.” At the same time he urged EU countries to raise their voices against “Orbán’s treatment of civil society and address fears over the rule of law in Hungary.”

“It is a tragedy for Hungary”

It is hard to know for sure whether this interview and rebuttal by George Soros came as a surprise to the Orbán government or not, but I suspect that it did. After all, the campaign against Soros has been going on for almost two years, yet Hungary’s benefactor hasn’t publicly criticized the Orbán government’s treatment of him and hasn’t come out in defense of the NGOs he has been supporting. During these two years he spoke out only once, thanking the 20,000-30,000 people who demonstrated on behalf of the beleaguered Central European University he founded. The devilish idea of a national consultation on the Soros Plan was born months ago, the questionnaires were sent to eight million voters more than a month ago, yet Soros said nothing. So, I assume Orbán believed that Soros would not engage verbally but would simply take all of the abuse showered on him and the employees of the civic organizations that have been the beneficiaries of his largesse.

A relatively new internet news site called Független Hírügynökség collected all the early responses to the rebuttal and the interview from pro-government sources and came to the conclusion that most of these slavish organs of government propaganda needed a few hours to recover from the shock. As is normally the case, these so-called journalists wait for the word from above. Once the government mantra is handed down, the “parrot commando” takes over. This time the magic phrase is “frontal attack.” It was Gergely Gulyás, the new Fidesz parliamentary whip, who got the assignment of sounding the trumpet. We can be assured that from this time on we will encounter the same phrase in all pro-government publications. According to Gulyás, George Soros until now has attacked Hungary and its government only “through organizations he finances, the European Parliament, and his Brussels allies,” but now he has personally joined the fight. He is attacking the government’s nationwide public survey, “making accusations, threats, and slanders.”

Gulyás, who has shed his gentlemanly demeanor since he became the Fidesz whip, wasn’t satisfied with criticizing Soros’s interview. Obviously he was told that he must announce that the investigation of the NGOs George Soros is worried about might be extended to Soros himself. Here is exactly what he said: “Civic organizations function freely in Hungary within a constitutional framework, but if there is an organized attempt at discrediting Hungary from abroad, this activity must be investigated.”

Let’s step back briefly to the Hungarian government’s “investigation” of the partially Soros-funded civic organizations. It was about a month ago that Viktor Orbán called these NGOs a threat to national security. Last week János Lázár announced that the government had asked Sándor Pintér, minister of the interior, to report on the possible dangers these civic groups pose to Hungary. This afternoon Pintér was to report to the parliamentary committee on national security about these alleged dangers. Before the hearing took place, Magyar Idők published an editorial which hypothesized that George Soros had timed his attack on Hungary in order “to divert attention from Pintér’s report” and “ahead of time to discredit it.” That sounded like a plausible theory, but to the obvious chagrin of the Orbán government, Pintér was unable to come up with any national security threats these human rights organizations present to Hungary. According to information that reached Index.hu, Pintér sidestepped the question. Obviously, he cannot go against the government’s position, but at the same time professionally he couldn’t find any national security risks stemming from these organizations’ activities. He apparently simply repeated what he had told the media a few days ago: “I don’t know whether George Soros poses any danger, but ideas he promulgates do not conform to the Hungarian conceptions and to Hungarian law. An open society, a society without borders are not accepted at the moment. They are futuristic.”

Yes, Soros stood up and fought, not so much for himself as for the people who as human rights activists are being threatened by the regime. Once he broke his silence he decided to go all the way. When RTL Klub asked for an interview, he sent a video message in Hungarian which the network immediately put up on its own website. It is a very moving video that lasts maybe two minutes. “It is a tragedy for Hungary that its present government is trying to keep itself in power by distorting reality and by misleading the population…. I’m terribly worried about Hungary; I think a lot about Hungary, and I want the Hungarian people to know that I will continue to do everything to support them.” It’s good to know that there are still people like George Soros around. The RTL Klub’s segment on Soros on its news program can be viewed here.

November 21, 2017
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Melanie Zuben
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In my humble observation/opinion, George Soros is underestimating the power of one of the most read books by the Hungarian people:
”The Stars of Eger”, by Geza Gardonyi. In order to understand the obvious (the Hungarian psyche), maybe this important book could provide some much needed insights to the “Open Society” supporters and to the Orban critics. Just a thought. 🙂

dos929
Guest

I am afraid Melanie that you are overestimating “the power… of ‘The Stars of Eger’….”. Most of the young and not so young of the present Hungarian society are so much removed from literature and general knowledge that the name of Gardonyi perhaps doesn’t ring a bell for many of them. Just as they couldn’t tell who were the ’13 martyrs of Arad’, or who is Mugabe… The general disinterest in the traditional arts, history or any subject outside their immediate sphere is widespread to such an extent that most Hungarians even in the big cities would fail in any test probing their general knowledge. To top that, the regime’s educational (?) policies had such a detrimental affect on the young that they in most areas of appraisals, such as the P.I.S.A. Test, they are on the bottom of the achievement lists… Thus, in the Hungarian population the regime’s sick propaganda has a fertile soil to strive in… And in the meantime the regime’s aggressive and sick litany of lies and imaginary threats to the people of Hungary continues unabated…

Melanie Zuben
Guest

Dos929
“The Stars of Eger” is read by every Hungarian. . . as far as I know

Guest

My wife told me that they had (!) to read it in school – but it’s not amongst her favourites, and the movie made of it is so la la” …
So is this kind of the “Hunky Bible”?

wrfree
Guest

Re: ‘ The general disinterest in the traditional arts, history or any subject outside their immediate sphere is widespread…….’

If this is true it is worse than I thought. But in a way the disinterest doesn’t surprise as the country has taken a great leap inward. The consequences will be very telling later on in developing ‘relationships’ even as they are hurting now. For as we know narrow-mindedness and isolation only help to develop skills and experience in variations of avoidance to what life presents.

Member

My favorite part of the book, whose English title is “Eclipse of the Crescent Moon,” is the part where the Evil Jew tries to give a dirt-poor Gypsy kid a book to read, and Dobo swoops in with the cavalry and lays waste to the entire village.

Farkas
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So as to teach those ignorant, malevolent and anti-Hungarian “Open Society” supporters an object lesson about how a handful of heroic Hungarian defenders of Eger Fortress fought like lions in the face of “Muslims at the gates,” and brought that fight to a successful conclusion against an entire Ottoman Turkish Army gathered under the walls of the fortress? Put to paper by Géza Gárdonyi, born Géza Ziegler, who elevated that battle to the status of a patriotic myth that inspired and lifted the spirits of generations of Hungarian teens?

Yes indeed! It is after all such a wonderful and original idea to give this “important” book to those nasty supporters of “Open Society,” so as to provide them with at least some profound insights into the errors of their ways in Hungary, apart of course from getting them to read a cracking good tale of Hungarian derring do! As always, your logic overwhelms my puny intellect. I think you should write to Orbán at once and urge him to act without delay on implementing this suggestion of yours, which is without doubt of peerless worth and brilliance.

Melanie Zuben
Guest

Farkas,
What is my “suggestion”? As far as I know, I was only brainstorming . . . I did NOT suggest anything. Victor Orban is the leader of Geza Gardonyi’s (Ziegler) people. And I’m proud of my logic. 🙂 You are just jelous that you didn’t think of something this “simple”, aren’t you?

Farkas
Guest

I don’t think that perception of mockery or sarcasm is a strong suit of yours, Melanie. Csak ugrattalak. De úgy látszik, hogy nem veszed észre a gúnyt, hogy egyem a begyedet. Hát egészségedre váljék . . . :-)))

petofi
Guest

Melanie,

the only ‘logic’ I can detect in you…is to turn up the hot water from time to time. If Leonard C. had written a song for you it would’ve been named, “So You Want It Warmer”.

Guest

Melanie as crazy and as far from reality as ever! To underline what others wrote and back to reality instead of the good (?) old times:
http://www.portfolio.hu/en/economy/hungary-disastrous-at-retaining-talent-imd-reports.34775.html
Hungary is almost last in Europe in keeping talented people at home – and it’s been getting worse under Orbán.
And this gives concrete numbers:
https://bbj.hu/news/doctors-continue-to-leave-hungary_141798
In the first six months of this year, a total of 324 doctors, 78 dentists, 327 healthcare workers and 19 pharmacists in Hungary requested permits for working abroad. This is almost as high as the number of permits issued in the full year of 2016, business and economic news portal vg.hu reports.
Melanie, come to one of these derelict hospitals in Hungary – but don’t forget to bring your own toilet paper, soap, towels etc …

Huj
Guest

Slightly OT. There is a gushing article concerning OV and his greatness in the Daily Mail online today. Several factual errors but when articles like this appear in the UK unfortunately they take hold. No mention of the gas man or the massive corruption though?

Farkas
Guest

Paid advertisement? :-)))

I wonder.

Guest

This?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5106147/EU-implodes-nation-nation-turns-far-Right.html
It starts not too bad but then …
But the Mail is well known for its right wing idiocy and fake news – I remember an article about “senior German politician” Olaf Henkel against Mrs Merkel where they didn’t say that he was a member of the AfD. Henkel is a “nice” example of old men going crazy, just like former chancellor Schröder …

exTor
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Robert Hardman, who wrote the above-linked Daily Mail article, is an out-and-out Viktor Orbán fanboy. It wouldn’t surprise me to learn that he’s staying in Felcsút awaiting his master’s coronation in April 2018.

Hardman is such an Orbán suckhole, it was hard to not gag while reading his barf-inducing pean [sic] to his peerless leader. So sayeth RH: “The ineluctable fact is that Europe is shifting to the right. Which is why I am in Hungary, because it is the next EU nation to go to the polls and is emblematic of the new antiBrussels mood in Central and Eastern Europe.”

Referencing rightwing Danube Institute thinktanker John O’Sullivan, Hardman attributes the current Hungarian political state of affairs to the pre1989 Magyarország statusquo: “… outsiders fail to understand how deep the scars of Communism go.”

Robert Hardman finishes his article thus: “There’s a message for Britain, too. Perhaps all those Remoaners accusing the Brexiteers of being blinkered Little Englanders should open their eyes and look at just how rotten much of the EU is now.”

MAGYARKOZÓ

Guest

Having read that article right now I don’t think that Hardman is an Orbán fanboy – there are a lot of critical remarks on the “illiberal democracies”.
Anyway who really cares? maybe considering the population structure (so many people leaving) the “East Central Europe” is on the way back to being the EUs poorhouse, good for raising pigs and doing those jobs which we in the West don’t want – just like in Communist times.

melanie Zuben
Guest

wolfi7777,
The Hungarians will be “raising pigs” and at the same time the so-called clever people in the West will be licking their fingers after a gourmet burger made out of stem cells. Bummer!
http://www.sciencefocus.com/article/future/artificial-meat-factory

As far as those so called jobs “which we in the West don’t want” concerned – hmm . . . with all due respect, those jobs are already taken by robots.
Welcome to the 21st Century!

exTor
Guest

I reread the Daily Mail article, wolfi. I still think that Robert Hardman is proOrbán, though I will retract the ‘suckhole’ characterization of him.

Hardman, however, definitely is an Orbán fanboy. Just look at his word choices, such as: “the ineluctable fact is that Europe is shifting to the right”, meaning that there will be no change in what’s happening here.

Hardman’s tone throughout the article is one of approval, a tone that encompasses Viktor Orbán. Hardman likes what he sees.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Guest

Sure, Hardman is no “leftist” …
If you want a totally different view on Hungary’s war against Soros, look here:
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/11/hungary-campaign-george-soros-171122120334509.html
Many quotes from Lydia Gall.

Observer
Guest

I think this Herdman chap got something right, he’s in Hungary, he opens his eyes and he sees how rotten this part of the EU is.

petofi
Guest

Isn’t the Daily Mirror Russian owned?

Member

“I think a lot about Hungary, and I want the Hungarian people to know that I will continue to do everything to support them”

The problem with this statement is it fails to take into account that a fair proportion of those Hungarian people are racist, anti-semitic brain-washed idiots. Orban, an evil man for sure, merely takes the utmost advantage of that fact.

Soros can argue the unarguable logic for as long as he wants but he is attempting to communicate with people (the core Fidesz/Jobbik target voter) whose intellect is roughly that of a plank of wood…and not only are they brain-dead, they are irredeemable.

He would have more success trying to convince the Martians of the wonder of the Open Society.

Farkas
Guest

You hit the nail on the head. I was about to write a post with a very similar message. Looks like we think very much alike.

Apart from this, I think that Soros’s overall showing in the video was pretty disappointing. A tired old gentleman who is not really up to a spat with a seasoned street-fighter like Orbán, who fights down and dirty. Instead of a harsh frontal attack that Orbán and his gang would richly deserve, he babbles on about his continued love for “the Hungarian people” (who however, to his eternal sorrow, do not happen to love him back). A sad case of true love unrequited, isn’t it . . .

Anyway, in this particular instance Soros reminds me of the Jew on a Budapest street, who after some Hungarians spat on him, pulls out his handkerchief, carefully wipes the spit off his face, then looks up at the sky and says it’s raining . . .

Pathetic, just pathetic.

Marty
Guest

C’mon, what do you expect from an 87 year old man? I mean even average Hungarians feel that it’s strange that Orban is waging a war against such an elderly (if rich) person. Some people are anti-Semitic, some people aren’t. Most people won’t watch the video only get the news that Soros finally replied to the lies and denied all the lies. Other than that you expect way too much from an elderly non-politician. In his placed I would’ve litigated the clearly false billboards, I would’ve thought that the US could protect one its citizens better from a government orchestrated hate and lie campaign but that’s that. Soros is not a politician and the US is weak.

People don’t vote for Orban because of the Soros campaign (ok, some maybe, but not many). But despite. Voters know that Orban lies, he’s corrupt, he’s fighting imaginary foes etc. but such voters still think that because of stability or leadership or whatever reasons Fidesz is a better choice. It’s called bezalternativost (Alternativlos vö. Alternative für Deutschland) which was carefully manufactured by Orban.

Guest

Re Orbán and Germany I’ve written several times about this already:
The “most Christian”party in Germany is the conservative CSU in Bavaria – and all of their latest leaders have had extramarital affairs producing children, while still parading their wives around!
Now first why do the wives acceptthis and secondly why do the voters still vote for them?
Because they like that kind of behaviour described by DAISNAID:
Do as I say not as I do …
It’s in their brains – saying one thing and doing the opposite and for them this seems completely normal!
PS:
However in the latest elections the percentage of votes for the CSU fell below 50% for the first time – “only” 40% still voted for those “Christians”, about the same like in Hungary (or in the USA) …

wrfree
Guest
Have to hand it to Mr. Soros. Under the circumstances he appears to be cool, calm and collected in his goals and utterances considering he has been nailed to a wall with these descriptions…’crazy, public enemy, evil Zionist, Nazi collaborator, a ruler of the world, former Nazi asset, criminal, carnivore and an agent of Satan’. There’s more but for now let’s say if somebody needs a friend George could do with a few as he’s coming off really ‘radioactiv’. He glows in the dark. Mr. Soros is too too complex for his enemies. They resent him because he’s too intelligent, powerful, extremely influential and a liberal democrat. Illiberalists hate democrats as the devil hates Christ. They will do anything to destroy his personal ‘brand’ and his views and keep spreading lie after lie through the entire global ether. It is an industry that will never go away as it too has its tremendous input of time and money to take him down. They fear his ideas dearly. It will be a growing business in the the 21st as Sorosian democracy and illiberalist democracy clash around the globe. The more Soros hangs around the more chains get continued to be forged… Read more »
Guest

Totally OT – but a kind of shock!
According to the government and EU-sponsored survey Hungarian Youth Research 2016, 33% of young Hungarians are planning to work abroad. Most of these, 83%, are considering spending several years away, while 45% are considering a request for residence in a foreign country
https://bbj.hu/analysis/a-third-of-young-hungarians-seek-fortunes-abroad_141930
The brain drain continues and even intensifies – Hail Orbán!
Is this what Fidesz wants to achieve:
Ony the sheeple, easy to control, remain in Hungary?

Farkas
Guest
I wonder how the Hungarian authorities will manage with the consequences of the resultant shortages of labour in Hungary, because at this rate the Hungarian economy could literally collapse within a generation, due to severe labour shortages. Would they then call in the ethnic Hungarian reserves from neighbouring countries, to help out in the emergency? But if, as a result of that, the ethnic Hungarian populations in neighbouring countries were to hollow out, or indeed disappear, what then would become of the absurd irredentist dream of restoring Hungarian sovereignty wherever ethnic Hungarians reside in the Carpathian Basin? After all, if the ethnic Hungarians disappear from wherever, the case for reversing Trianon immediately collapses at that location. As of now, of course, Hungarians living in Trianon Hungary do not particularly tolerate even the current miserly trickle of ethnic Hungarians from the lost territories, so it is difficult to see how they would put up with mass influxes of ethnic Hungarians from beyond the borders of Trianon Hungary. In this, Hungarians appear to be “equal opportunity xenophobes,” and given that they are finding it so difficult to accept the inflow of even brother and sister Hungarians from beyond the Trianon borders, it… Read more »
Farkas
Guest

And of course we hadn’t even mentioned as yet the threatening demographic collapse of the population of Hungary within a generation or two, due to the low birthrate. That, plus high rates of emigration of younger Hungarians equals import of either ethnic Hungarians or Third World brown people, or both. Either that or a collapsed/collapsing economy. A third option does not really exist, given that Orbán and his gang are unlikely to be able to engineer either a dramatically increased Hungarian birth rate or a cessation of brain drain/mass emigration by young peoplet.

Guest

This might just be on a larger scale what is already happening in the East of Hungary (and parts of the East of Germany too…):
Cities losing people, villages practically empty – just a few pensioners …
But no more supermarkets, pharmacies, doctors, restaurants – not even kocsmas …
So people drink themselves to death at homewhile watching TV – where the programs are getting more and more stupid, following the level of the audience.
We see it when we visit my wife’s hometown in the East.
We also saw it when we had visitors last time from Germany who wanted to see a museum and Roman ruins in Dunaujvaros. The museum was very well done, nice people showed us around and allowed us also to see the ruins (they’re still working on them) but a young “guide” (actually an archeologist …) said that he feared the future – the town had already lost 10% of its population after the Fall of Communism (and its strange ideas about industry) …

Melanie Zuben
Guest

Farkas/wolfi,
Hopefully, the Hungarian economy is no longer relying on menpower alone, therefore the so-called old fashioned economic collapse could be avoided. We are living in the age of robotics etc. etc. (Japan, Israel – just to name a few successful countries to follow).

Welcome to the 21st Century!

Guest

Funny again – it’s the young people which are leaving Hungary – so who is going to build and pay for these robots?
The old people that are left behind on their meager pensions of 100 000 Forint or less?
It’s obvious you haven’t been to Hungary for some years – houses looking like ruins are the new standard here …

Observer
Guest

Melanie
Interesting the economics, aeh? At least u’rebetter than Orban who talks about “manufacturing real things”, so much so to “become the manufacturing motor of Europe” as if we’re mid 19th cen.

However, even good manufacturing workers are in short supply in Hun now. Vocational training is mid 20 cen, education decaying further (PISA test results), higher education R&D ditto, Huns don’t speak foreign languages, our great leader can’t use computer, the best and the brightest are leaving in droves, …
productivity is low and stagnant, workforce mobility is very low, investment is at amortization level, …
Hun society is constantly fed intolerance, closed mindedness and hatred; dishonesty, corruption and abuse are endemic…

Welcome to the 20 cen, welcome to Orbanistan.

Guest

Just one example from BBJ (maybe I’ve posted it before):
In the first six months of this year, a total of 324 doctors, 78 dentists, 327 healthcare workers and 19 pharmacists in Hungary requested permits for working abroad. This is almost as high as the number of permits issued in the full year of 2016, business and economic news portal vg.hu reports.

Most doctors have sought employment in the United Kingdom, Germany and Switzerland, but also in Romania, Malawi and Denmark. Nurses prefer Germany and Austria.
https://bbj.hu/news/doctors-continue-to-leave-hungary_141798
And this is just the tip of the iceberg …

Melanie Zuben
Guest

Observer,
Re: “becoming the manufactural motor of Europe”
Hungary needs a healthy mix of different industries in order to provide employment to its people.
Traditional jobs are disappearing as we speak due to an ever increasing technological advances. (We are able to diagnose ourselves online) In a not too distant future, there will be an Apps for everything, etc.
Orban believes that the “basics” are remaining unchallenged. (I cross my fingers)

Melanie Zuben
Guest

Observer,
Re: PISA test
With Information Technology as it is today, students can even teach themselves to build the Tai Mahal. The same goes for learning languages. The young don’t need to go abroad any longer as they should be able to work on their computers from home. The world is changing as we speak.

Observer
Guest

and re the future

The exodus from Hun and the low birth rate have dramatic demographic results: in the last 100 years there has never been such ratio of under young to old:
young<15 y 1910s-36 % 2016 – 15%
old 1960s -10% 2016 – 18%

The young working abroad are sending home almost 2% GDP, but as they settle abroad this flow will diminish.
Guess what is happening to the state pension system.

exTor
Guest

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https://www.alwayswanderlust.com/worst-countries-hungary
WHY HUNGARY IS ONE OF THE WORST COUNTRIES TO VISIT

I never tire of pictures of Budapest bridges. I’ve taken many, however they are not usable on this site. The photo I’ve chosen to highlight this post is not one of the many that the author of the above-linked article uses to highlight his sad-but-true story.

https://www.quora.com/In-which-foreign-country-did-you-have-the-worst-experience-and-why

Some may know of Quora, a website that entertains novel questions to which respondents supply opinions. The two links are linked, being mostly identical. The author [Adonis Villanueva] wrote about his experiences in Hungary, where he was often treated badly because he looked like a ‘migrant’ or a ‘refugee’, being dark-haired and dark-skinned.

Most of his ill treatment occurred in the countryside. Budapest behaved better, being more cosmopolitan. Those, especially in North America, who believe that ‘white privilege’ does not exist, would do well to read this item, about one of the ramifications of the slide right, into Orbánistan.

MAGYARKOZÓ

exTor
Guest

MAGYARORSZÁG vagy LENGYELORSZÁG ???

https://www.quora.com/Should-I-move-to-Poland-or-Hungary

Another interesting Quora poser. There are 6 opinions.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Guest

Totally OT:
I was horrified on Quora to find that it often links to crazy articles on the extreme right wing propaganda sites breitbart and zerohedge!
Already thought about asking them wtf they’re thinking – but it’s probably just about making money.

exTor
Guest

Not sure what you’re talking about, wolfi. I checked the ‘Poland-or-Hungary’ webpage, where there was only one advert, that being an innocuous one for a long-distance-moving enterprise [123movers.com].

Dont know about Breitbart. Webpage advertisements are, as you well know, dictated by the webpage’s content, hence the moving advert. The entire webpage belonged to Quora, with the exception of the one advert, which was disguised as a normal Quora opinion.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Guest

Yes, exTor, maybe it’s just my “feed” in Quora – the AI algorithm deciding on which links to show a user must have strange ideas about me … 🙂

petofi
Guest

@ exTor

Poland or Hungary–two horrible choices.

Long term, the only country (outside of Canada) that makes sense
to me is China.

Melanie Zuben
Guest

ExTor,
WTF? And you call yourself Hungarian? Instead of helping the Hungarian tourism, you are posting sh*t like this? Unbelievable! Do you have a soul?

Ferenc
Guest

MZ
WTF? And you call yourself an independent thinking human being? Instead of showing any grain of care for an old man, about who the HU government is only spreading lies and abusing, you are posting only sh*ty comments (see all above) to this post? Unbelievable! Do you have a HEART?

Melanie Zuben
Guest

Ferenc,
YES, I’m calling myself an independent (unpaid) thinker. And I’m proud of being one.

Guest

Are you insinuating (again …) that Prof Balogh and the commenters here get paid – by Soros?
You really are a crazy woman!
Why don’t you care for those hundreds of children that have been raped by your Christian priests in Australia? That would be real work for you!

Observer
Guest

Melanie
You may call yourself a queen …
Respect is earned ..

Guest

Would a queen write stuff like this?
the “not so brights” -like myself- are studying the Bible. There is not much we can do. For now, that is.
And there are more quotes from latefor in similar style …

Michael Kaplan
Guest
Professor Balogh, thank you for the two articles on Mr. Soros. Some of the comments today (and in past) reflect profound hopelessness, correct or not; however, my comments should not be understood as finding fault. Before and after I retired I did some modest mental health-addictions consultations in Hungary/Erdely. Of course, I had to to incorporate some of the historic national character traits of Hungary in my presentations. Any such discussions have to be humble as national character traits do not account for individual differences and such traits are often closer to “myths”. Nevertheless, perceived loss of honor/or shame about are significant in Hungarian culture, let alone a a greater sense of isolation and attendant hopelessness than some other cultures (the USA has been moving in some similar directions for some Americans). Mr. Soros retains a hopeful attitude regarding both countries. As a recovering alcoholic, I understand the difficulties of remaining optimistic. It is clear to me Professor Balogh that you are optimistic as well albeit for your own unique reasons. Hungarians and others are in debt to you for carrying on despite the enormous difficulties. And of course, Hungarians and others are in debt to Mr. Soros for his… Read more »
Jean P
Guest

OT
Radioactive Ruthenium in the sky.
First the Russian authorities denied Western reports that there is a cloud of radioactive Rutheium isotope spreading from Russia, but now about a month after the cloud was spotted they have admitted it is there. The Ruthenium released to the atmosphere can only originate from used nuclear reactor fuel rods. Obviously the Russians have handled used reactor fuel in a sloppy way.

It is not a new Chernobyl but it adds to the worrying list of Russian nuclear accidents spreading radioactive isotopes in the atmosphere. It adds to the worries about the safety of Paks.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-22/russia-admits-ruthenium-106-spike-near-ural-mountains/9178446

Guest

And of course it’s still not clear how just Ruthenium (named after Russia btw, similar to Germanium …) got into the atmosphere, wonder when if ever the authorities will tell us …