Open letter to Jean-Claude Juncker

The letter below, addressed to Jean-Claude Juncker, president of the European Commission, was written by Hans Eichel, co-founder and former chairman of G20 and former finance minister of Germany,  and Pascal Lamy, former European commissioner and president emeritus of the Jacques Delors Institute. Hans Eichel and Pascal Lamy also represent Franz Fischler and Yannis Paleokrassas, both former European commissioners.

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Dear Mr. President Jean-Claude Juncker,

As signatories to this letter, we ask the European Commission to temporarily suspend payment of all EU funding to Hungary, with the exception of funding provided directly by the Commission (i.e. without the intermediary role of the Hungarian government).

Over recent years, the whole institutional and legal system in Hungary has been transformed in a way that makes it much easier to assign a substantial part of EU money directly or indirectly to certain business and political groups, no matter how detrimental this is for the Hungarian society, and thus also for attaining the objectives of the European Union.[1]

Key public institutions, such as the office of the prosecutor general and the constitutional court, have been de facto taken over by the ruling party, Fidesz.[2] The Constitution has been amended several times to serve the interests of Fidesz.[3]

Press freedom has been eviscerated, and the overwhelming majority of the media is now Fidesz-dominated.[4] Access to information has been seriously curtailed by several new laws.[5]

Universities have practically lost their independence as they have been put under the strict control of “chancellors” appointed by the government. (A notable exception is the Central European University in Budapest which the government has been trying to shut because it is still offering a home to academic freedom and critical thinking.[6])

Harassment and smothering of civil society organisations has been going on for years.[7] It is also telling that the Hungarian government has refused to join the EU’s key anti-corruption initiative, the European Public Prosecutor’s Office.[8]

We fully agree with the following statement in the Commission’s Reflection Paper on the Future of EU Finances: “Respect for the rule of law is important for European citizens, but also for business initiative, innovation and investment, which will flourish most where the legal and institutional framework adheres fully to the common values of the Union. There is hence a clear relationship between the rule of law and an efficient implementation of the private and public investments supported by the EU budget.”[9]

More than 95% of public investment projects in Hungary receive EU co-financing. The Hungarian government announced[10] that it will use 2017 and 2018 to allocate most of the EU money available for the funding period 2014-2020, and is rapidly implementing this strategy. The purpose here is clear: to help Fidesz at the national elections in spring 2018, without any consideration of what will happen after 2018 when EU funding will be mostly exhausted. Such jerking of the economy is also extremely detrimental for business in general, the rapid disbursement leads to inefficient use of EU money, and greatly increases the risks of corruption. This brings a special urgency to the situation.

It is time to heed the Dutch ambassador to Hungary, Gajus Scheltema: “The argument over what happens with our money is indeed growing ever fiercer. We can’t finance corruption, and we can’t keep a corrupt regime alive. At the same time, we need to continue supporting underdeveloped areas – that’s solidarity. Economically Hungary still lags behind Western Europe, so we need to help. – But in such a way that both the Hungarians and the Dutch are satisfied. We need to make the system much more transparent, accountable, and monitored.”[11]

To emphasise the point: a temporary cessation is what this situation requires; all funding can and should be restored as soon as basic democratic freedoms are reinstated and corruption counter-acted. We strongly believe that this is also a pre-condition for continuing EU funding to less developed regions – which is indispensable for the future of the European Union – in the period following 2020 in light of growing resentment all over Europe about the inefficient and improper use of EU funds.

It is the Commission’s duty to protect the EU’s financial interests. The Commission should live up to its duty concerning Hungary without any further delay.[12]

We are looking forward to your reply as soon as possible.

Yours sincerely,

Hans Eichel, Co-founder and former Chairman of G20, former Minister of Finance of Germany

Pascal Lamy, former European Commissioner, President Emeritus of the Jacques Delors Institute

also on behalf of

Franz Fischler, former European Commissioner

Yannis Paleokrassas, former European Commissioner

23 November 2017


[1] See, for example: “A Whiff of Corruption in Orbán’s Hungary,” Spiegel Online, January 17, 2017 http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/a-whiff-of-corruption-in-orban-s-hungary-a-1129713.html  “Vladimir Putin has been named the 2014 Person of the Year by the Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project (OCCRP), an award given annually to the person who does the most to enable and promote organized criminal activity.… Runners up to Putin this year were Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán and Montenegrin Prime Minister Milo Đukanović.” OCCRP, 2015, https://www.occrp.org/personoftheyear/2014/

[2] See, for example: “Hungary – Joint Submission to the UN Universal Periodic Review,” by Transparency International Hungary, Transparency International, and K-Monitor Watchdog for Public funds, 21 September 2015, https://transparency.hu/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Joint-Submission-to-the-UN-Universal-Periodic-Review.pdf

[3] See, for example: “Hungary’s Dangerous Constitution. Columbia Journal of Transnational Law,” October 2015, http://jtl.columbia.edu/hungarys-dangerous-constitution/ Fidesz has set the large controlling organizations and the independent branches of power to manual control. atlatszo.hu (member of the Global Investigative Journalism Network), 20 September 2014, http://english.atlatszo.hu/2014/09/20/fidesz-has-set-the-large-controlling-organizations-and-the-independent-branches-of-power-to-manual-control/

[4] See, for example: “Freedom of the Press 2017, Hungary.” Freedom House, https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-press/2017/hungary

[5] See, for example: “New Civil Code: public fund contracts are to become inaccessible,”  Transparency International Hungary, 16.08.2012, http://www.transparency.hu/New Civil Code public fund contracts are to become inaccessible “The coming dark age of democratic governance in Hungary,” atlatszo, 08.05.2013, http://atlatszo.hu/2013/05/08/the-coming-dark-age-of-democratic-governance-in-hungary/“Further Restrictions on Freedom of Information in Illiberal Hungary,” Hungarian Spectrum, 05.07.2015, http://hungarianspectrum.org/2015/07/05/further-restrictions-on-freedom-of-information-in-illiberal-hungary/

[6] At Hungary’s Soros-Backed University, Scholars Feel a Chill. The New York Times, April 24, 2017, https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/24/world/europe/hungary-george-soros-central-european-university.html

[7] See, for example: “Civil Society Europe briefing on the state of Civic Space and Fundamental Rights in Hungary,” April 2017, https://civil society europe. eu.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/cse-hungary-fact-sheet_april2017.pdf

[8] It is not necessary to create a European Public Prosecutor’s Office. Website of the Hungarian Government, December 6, 2016, http://www.kormany.hu/en/ministry-of-justice/news/it-is-not-necessary-to-create-a-european-public-prosecutor-s-office  “European Public Prosecutor’s Office established without Hungary’s participation,” The Budapest Beacon, June 9, 2017, https://budapestbeacon.com/european-public-prosecutors-office-established-without-hungarys-participation/

[9] Reflection Paper on the Future of EU Finances. European Commission, 28 June 2017, https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/reflection-paper-eu-finances_en.pdf

[10] See: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//TEXT+WQ+P-2017-002541+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN&language=en

[11] Ambassador Scheltema: “We Mustn’t Keep a Corrupt Regime Alive.” Hungarian Spectrum, August 31, 2017, http://hungarianspectrum.org/2017/08/31/ambassador-scheltema-we-mustnt-keep-a-corrupt-regime-alive/

[12] See also: “Legal Grounds for the Suspension of EU Funding to Hungary Now,” Hungarian Spectrum, September 3, 2017, http://hungarianspectrum.org/2017/09/03/legal-grounds-for-the-suspension-of-eu-funding-to-hungary-now/

November 28, 2017
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Guest
I have been commenting for years about precisely this – ” the inefficient and improper use of EU funds” which have helped create a mafia oligarchy in the midst of the EU. That the Brussels bureaucrats have consistently ignored misappropriation of funds is beyond belief and goes some way to understanding Brexit, and the UK’s desire to be no part of such a muddled and irresponsible, albeit originally well-intentioned, organisation. Gyurcsány and the opposition should make this issue a priority in the election campaign, as well as the scandalous issue of votes by non resident and non tax-paying Hungarians from across the border. He should give full support to this letter and demand that the EU stop all funds to Hungary. The opposition should also demand serious investigation by EU auditors by establishing offices in Hungary, to leave no stone unturned until all the funds sent so far have been accounted for, to see exactly whose pockets they have ended up in and how much is missing from the billions sent. With money it has so generously “gifted” to Orbán, his family and friends, the EU could surely afford to establish an office with a few EU auditors here, making… Read more »
Gabi
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The desire for Brexit was based on the promised weekly 350 mln GBP extra for the National Health Service which later turned out to be some 160 mln and finally ended up being 0 extra. And a shortage of medics

Guest

Gabi
Brexit is a very complex issue, but at least part of the disenchantment, rightly or wrongly, felt by Brits was lack of trust in how the EU spent its money. Hungary is a case in point.

Gabi
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Yes, time4change I oversimplified a bit. And it’s more complex than my statement. But a lot of British and EU sentiment was and is caused by misinformation.

wrfee
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Re: ‘complexities’

It would appear Britain and Magyarorszag symbolize two different ways of dealing with the modern world. One makes a decision of leaving a ‘common market’ for reasons of ‘sovereignity’. The apparent power sharing was just causing a perception of angst and fear in those who wanted the exit. The other stays because of an arrogant pride backed up by an insecurity that could only be fulfiiled with a revengeful kleptomania. In any case both will be walking through uncharted minefields in their ‘power’ issues.

Aida
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I think Gabi that it is wasting your time and of everyone else to try to analyse the Brexit vote in the hope that you will find a rational answer behind the way people voted in the referendum. The vast majority of those who voted for Brexit are incapable of understanding very much. They understand that they want to be English because that is best. Evidence is of no value. They have a deep distrust bordering on dislike of anything “foreign”. They do not grasp the subtiltise of economic advice presented by experts who were dismissed as representing “project fear”. I have spent much time in England for many decades. I had acquired a sizeable admiration for their empirical approach to the world. Effection never. The Brexit result did not change the latter. It did however put the former under huge strain. In face the current view can be summed up thus:stupid, bigoted largely ignorant bigots digging the grave of the prosperity, liberty and security of their country. They voted to be poorer. And they will be. Much. The rest hardly matters. They deserve I guess what is coming. Amongst them may well be political and civil chaos. Great price… Read more »
Farkas
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I thought the key issue driving Brexit was the unrestricted inflow of cheap labour into Britain from East European member countries of the EU. Also, I would hesitate to assign the blame for Brexit to a profoundly stupid British public. The general public is profoundly stupid and ill informed in all countries. That is the nature of the beast. In Britain, however, there has been an atrocious failure of leadership by the Tories and Blairite Labour, starting with Blair, reaching a crescendo with Cameron and continuing with May. That, in my view, was the actual root cause of over 50% of the Brits falling for the siren song of Brexiter advocates and subsequently voting to leave the EU. Then there is of course another and crucially significant subsidiary cause too, for a slim majority of the British public having voted to lave the EU in the Brexit referendum. In every advanced economy, there are winners and losers of globalization and of the rapid spreading of automation/artificial intelligence. Moreover, there is inequality everywhere in the world, and not because of “evil capitalism” or massive structural inequities, but simply because not all humans are born or develop into equally intelligent, smart and… Read more »
Observer
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Love you description of those shouting ” We are the best”. It’s valid for all blinkered “proud” nationalists, from trumpists to Orban faithful to juhadists.

Guest

Not only that, but in many other respects they “think” on similar ground:
Misogyny, homophobia, xenophobia, love of guns and brute force in general, and a fear of the unknown and those many things they don’t understand …
Ain’t that strange? You could just take the Nazi program – maybe exchange a few definitions and names …
PS:
To your list you might add the Irish DUB, the reigning Polish party, the AfD, the Swiss “conservatives” and many more …

Member

time4change: “I have been commenting for years about precisely this…”.

Once I answered to you, saying, that I hope for changes after Macron was elected for president.

But actually the EU works to slow; the comission must stop the flow of money immediately.

If you compare the comission to the police, it’s like they are watching thiefs robbing and robbing, but don’t arrest them until there is no judgement from a court.

When I read, that Juncker actually likes Orbán, his little dictator, and, that he is against suspending the money to Hungary, I am getting sick.

I want my money back!

But first of all, I don’t want fascist mafia states to be financed by it.

Marty
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Juncker is a naïve clown. He’s simply out of his depth when dealing with clever Eastern autocrats. Selmayr detto. Hardened Mafiosi and/or KGB men like Orban or Putin will always fool people like Juncker or Selmayr. And the best thing is that they themselves (ie Juncker, Selmayr) think that they were smart. I mean Schroder was supposed to be a prime minister of Germany and now he’s nothing more than Putin’s poodle and probably thinks that he’s so smart. Schroder doesn’t even realize how Putin plays him. He’s clueless. Same with those people in Brussels. Each have their own price and Oban smartly pays them one way or another.

This is what Orban hates about the West. There are no principles. Everything is up for sale. Thus he can always purchase them, fool them, trick them. There is always a way to defeat them and to get his way. It’s too easy for him, he always wins.

LwiiH
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I don’t think anyone is being fooled by what is going on. It’s a matter of priorities and the will to expend political capital to tackle a problem that had little upside and a not so insignificant downside.
Also, the EU is not a dictatorship. The question is, is there enough support and agreement coming from the EU parties to make this a battle that can be won. No sense in going to battle if you’re going to lose.

Guest

Please …
Schröder is no longer an active politician – just a senile old fart …
He sold his soul to Russia a long time ago- after he was defeated in 2005 he became a “gazprominent” ….
He had always been a friend of big business – then he became a friend of big Russian business.

Istvan
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A drunken clown I would say. Juncker is a man with many problems. But probably Europeans are better stuck with a drunk, than a true mad man like President Trump that we US citizens are stuck with.

Michael Kaplan
Guest

Thanks for making this news available as I would not have found out about until significant time had passed. Yes, I agree, the many transgressions by the current regime make the the suspension of EU funds necessary. I never thought I would have to support this position; however, the many violations of EU norms, some legal and some not suggest that this pressure is necessary.

Picard
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Viktor and Volodya are laughing their ass off. Are you serious? Is that all you can muster? Write another open letter? Like that usually helps.

Orban is bored to death as those clueless monkeys in Brussels are no match to him. He’s looking for a real adversary but he can’t find one. It’s boring. Defeating the EU is just too repetitive, too predictable.

Roderick Beck
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Long term Orbán has no future. He runs a poor little country with a backward mentality and culture. Hungary is not catching up to the rest and its population is steadily declining.

Marty
Guest

It’s true for Russia, Zimbabwe etc. But that never prevented tyrants from ruling for 30-40 years.

Orban doesn’t care. It’s his own garbage heap. He is omnipotent within the national borders and he’s insanely rich.

He can do whatever he wants to. It feels good.

Orban just like any tyrant will stay as long as he can breath. When he goes completely, totally insane at the age of 89 then Fidesz will replace him with Janos Lazar or Antal Rogan like it happened in Angola or Zimbabwe.

There is no long-term in politics unfortunately. We’re all dead long term so we need change now or at least in the very short term, otherwise it doesn’t really matter, does it?

Observer
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Marty
You admiration for the tricky thief Orban and his fascist regime is misplaced, if u have any sympathy for the Hungarians.
As RB points out Hun is not catching up, but falling behind while the “clever” Orban mafia are getting fatter and fatter.

wrfee
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The ‘investor’ Scrooge on the Danube should be careful though. The old boy though one day could be hanging out with Old Marley that sad Dickens creation. Two ghosts of miserable pasts commiserating on the insatiable and manic quest for gelt. The money trough cannot be endless. Could be the Orban jig is up. They finally are onto the Magyar Scrooge’s ‘MO’…that’s his ‘modus operandi’.

Guest

Orbán is not defeating the EU – the EU still profits from Hungary:
The German automobile companies who get cheap workers, the German tourists who have cheao holidays, the hospitals, hotels, and IT companies who get the qualified workers which are leaving Hungary etc pp …

Orbán is defeating his own people:
No education, no health service, more and more poor people …
That must make him really proud – especially knowing that Hungary is becoming the poorhouse of the EU …

Jean P
Guest

OT
Hungary will join a Chinese project to recreate the Silk Road. The first stretch will be a high speed railway line from Budapest to Beograd financed by the Chinese.

https://budapestbeacon.com/hungary-kicks-off-usd-3-6-billion-belgrade-budapest-rail-line-investment/

Why will the Chinese spend their money on obsolete transport technology?
A superhighway would be a sensible investment.

bang
Guest

It’s our money. The railways are financed from a Chinese loan of course, not from a Chinese donation. The Chinese are smart, don’t worry about them.

Most of the people actually constructing the project will be Chinese, but the Orban clan will provide stone from their family-owned quarries.

Observer
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bang

Unfortunately it will bee much more than overpricing stone. The Orban mafia prefers single large state investment where fewer, but larger “arrangements” are to be made, e.g.
– Discontinued the renovatiion/insulation program for residential buildings, where the small owners co pay and have insight and some control, in favor of public buildings.
– Opted for a big new hospital, instead of renovating/modernizing the emaciated existing ones, ignoring the lack of doctors and staff even in the latter.
– Pushed the large, economically dubious to say the least, railway to Belgrade project, while many other transport problems are not addressed.
– And the jewel of the thieves’ crown – Paks 2 was brought forward 6-7 years, lest someone else reap the hundreds of billions of “benefits” envisaged.

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Ferenc
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Surfing after this link I finally landed on the euronews site, where they have an interesting discussion/debate (yes, yes, debate) between two MEPs, Schöpflin (Fidesz) and Sargentini (EU-greens), who is responsible for the ‘article 7’ report, about the ‘rule of law’ in Hungary.
As usual for Fids, Schöpflin is only pointing to others, while not able to bring into the discussion even one point, which should prove that the ‘rule of law’ is currently kept in Hungary.
Can be watched at http://www.euronews.com/2017/11/24/discussing-hungary-s-democratic-deficit

PS: couldn’t find the full open letter anywhere else, so is it posted officially only here?

Ferenc
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Signed letter uploaded Nov.28 by 24.hu:
https://24.hu/app/uploads/2017/11/2017-11-21-eu_funding_hungary-letter-from-leading-voices-in-europe-final.pdf
Nov.28 they write about it in https://24.hu/belfold/2017/11/28/befenyitettek-junckert-vegye-el-az-unios-tamogatasokat-magyarorszagtol-orban-miatt/
While earlier (?) the same day euronews claims “letter obtained exclusively by Euronews”, without fully publishing it, in their article http://www.euronews.com/2017/11/28/exclusive-european-heavyweights-tell-brussels-to-cut-hungary-funding
Anyway, it’s very good ‘the thing’ is open on the table!!

J. Szimon
Guest

As an additional 13th Ref. to this open letter let me remind you on this open video message back from 2013 – it has been a desperate call for less corruption and more transparency and democracy – when facing upcoming elections in 2014. Nowadays it is more relevant than ever. And ever after 2018?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jfOpNP-Frs

For Hungarian speaking readers it may appear appropriate to discuss also the ways and means of getting rid of this rotten mafia-regime. Please take this slide show video as it was meant: an unliked but necessary call for solution out of deep despair.

bimbi
Guest

The letter says it (almost) all – how corrupted Hungarian society has become under Orbán and at so many levels. Congratulations to Eichel and Lamy on laying the facts out so clearly. The current EU funding of Hungarian government corruption is a disgrace –
You Work, THEY STEAL.

Good to read that some (more) responsible voices within the EU are demanding an end to this disgrace. But as has been expressed above, there seems no real hope of any change while Juncker and the EPP is in charge.
You Work, THEY STEAL.

And who do they steal from? As wolfi7777 points out it is from the Hungarian people – all of them. They have each paid ~ 20,000 HUF to make Pénztáros a Euro semi-billionaire.
You Work, THEY STEAL.

Istvan
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The idea that the authors of the open letter are promoting is that somehow cutting the cohesion funds to Hungary will help restore democracy and possibly lessen the strangle hold of Fidesz is delusional. A good reason for ending the cohesion funds, not just to Hungary, but to numerous Central European nations is that they no longer are serving the purposes they are designed for, i.e.bringing these nations into the market economy from command economies. The secondary goal to increase average incomes in those nations closer to the EU averages has been achieved to the extent it is likely to take place given the context of globalism and wage pressures. That primary task has been accomplished, for better or worse, now some of these nations are evolving in a new direction based on the model in Russia of an oligarchical economy. That economic evolution is actually compatible with the interests of numerous corporations in the core EU nations. We need to recall numerous companies in the USA did business with fascist corporations prior to WWII and profited from those relationships. In particular I am thinking in addition to Hungary, we have to look at the economies in Ukraine, or Serbia,… Read more »
bimbi
Guest

@Istvan, 1:11 p.m.
You say, “…the EU cohesion funds going to Hungary are doing nothing to change the situation.”

But you are incorrect. The sudden flood of cohesion fund money into Hungary has facilitated the enrichment of several Fidesz faithful – consider only, however, poor Rahal (née Orban) and her cozy (Daddy’s son-in-law) husband who have become instant Euro millionaires from ripping off the Hungarian public in single bid contracts for street lighting across the land – yes but now they are in the real-estate rip-off game also facilitated by Daddy.

No one suggested, Istvan, least of all Eichel and Lamy that cutting off cohesion funds would “restore democracy” (how could you even make such an assertion?) but it would deal a shock blow to the Mafia State of Magyarorszag and perhaps, perhaps, lead people to wonder whether Orban and Co. shouldn’t be confined to Hungary’s garbage can of failed politics. Orban’s gravy train needs to be de-railed!

Marty
Guest
A very good point by a 444.hu journalist. It used to be the previously Fidesz’ PR machine told different (contradictory) things for foreign and domestic consumption. Now – in line with Russian media methods – fideszniks say totally contradictory things to the same targeted people. We know from Russia that people don’t realize the contradiction in an overt way, rather they slowly withdraw from politics given the total confusion and end up voting for the incumbent (the devil we know). A good example is 888.hu (which is a hard-line fidesznik propaganda site but readers may confuse with 444.hu which is an independent site) whose recent article and video harshly criticized Jobbik. The article/video was anti-Semitic but it worried about the anti-Semitism of Jobbik. At the same time Fidesz continuously criticizes Jobbik as being much too cute (arguing that Jobbik is trying to change its image from being a respectable right wing party (ie. anti-Semitic and anti-Roma) into a likable cutie pie via a “cuteness campaign” (“cukiságkampány”). Fidesz argues that Jobbik is betraying its rightwing roots/principles for popularity. But beware: Jobbik is an anti-Semitic and anti-Roma party. What’s more it is also being financed by Jews. Just as we mentioned Fidesz… Read more »
Farkas
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@Aida November 29, 2017 8:04 pm Hi Aida, This is an amended version of my previous reply to your post, as I left it too late to amend where it appears under your entry. First, I thought the key issue driving Brexit was the unrestricted inflow of cheap labour into Britain from East European member countries of the EU. Also, I would hesitate to assign the blame for Brexit to a profoundly stupid British public. The general public is profoundly stupid and ill informed in all countries. That is the nature of the beast. In Britain, however, there has been an atrocious failure of leadership by the Tories and Blairite Labour, starting with Blair, reaching a crescendo with Cameron and continuing unabated with May to the point of a farcical tragedy, an oxymoron that seems characteristic of the lunatic majority of contemporary Tories (and not that the reds in Corbyn’s camp are any less lunatic). That, in my view, was the actual root cause of over 50% of the Brits falling for the siren song of Brexit advocates and subsequently voting to leave the EU. Then there was also of course another and crucially significant subsidiary root cause for that… Read more »
Aida
Guest

Thank you for the thoughtful and detailed response.

The lack of leadership is certainly true. There has never, since the early days of Thatcher been any commitment by either the Tories of by Labour to the European cause. It has always been them when referring to Europe and refusing to recognise the UK as a crucial part of it.

A point not to forget is that this is not a British attitude. It is specifically, loudly and sickeningly English. The Scots and the Irish voted against Brexit. God bless them.

Ivan
Guest

Blair’s administrations were unequivocally in favour of continuing deep commitment to EU.

Aida
Guest

I am afraid you are wrong. The approach was always “them” (EU) and “us” viz the British. Not me in the “us”. Yes Blair wanted UK in the EU. I have personal experience of two directives the UK was supposed to implement. The one was dealing with age discrimination the othe about part time workers. In the case of both the UK had to be taken to court to force them to obey the law. Both instances were under Labour. In the latter case there has been a reference to the ECJ with another one pending when it is perfectly obvious to the UK Supreme Court the Government is wrong. Millions has been spent by the UK government to challenge what they know perfectly well is the law. Do you want to look them up?
The first was an Employment case: Hampton v Ministry of Justice the second O’Brien v MOJ. The UK has worked for decades to undermine the UK.

bimbi
Guest

@Farkas, 10:55 a.m.
Well, look at that, another Pannonia Pundit enlightening us on Brexit – but unclear how this is at all relevant to the Orban/Chinese tie up on building a railroad, but who cares?

And then we have, “…was the actual root cause of over 50% of the Brits falling for…”. Wrong, of course. The Brexit vote was supported by about 39% of the British electorate only – not an absolute majority – Hungarians often get confused about the difference, especially when it is convenient to do so. Ah yes and then we have the “…reds in Corbyn’s camp…”. Man you are as slavishly misinformed as my mate in Canberra who loves to describe Mr. Corbyn as a “Trot” – maybe you read the same newspaper as he does?

Farkas
Guest
The prickly Mr/Ms/Mrs/Miss bimbi in top cranky form, as usual. 1. I am neither a Pannonian, nor a Hungarian. I am just an ethnic Jew who happens to understand among others the Hungarian language too, and interested in current affairs, whether it be in Hungary, Israel, China, America, Australia or anywhere else. 2. I did not initiate the conversation on Brexit, but merely responded to a post on Brexit by Aida, which triggered some thoughts that I felt might be of some interest. 3. Given Mr/Ms/Mrs/Miss bimbi’s questioning the relevance of my post “to the Orban/Chinese tie up on building a railroad?”, the question immediately arises as to the relevance of Mr/Ms/Mrs/Miss bimbi’s own post above, to that same issue. 4. I never claimed that the over 50% of Brits was 50% of the absolute majority. It ought to have been patently obvious, except for the captious seeking a knot in the bulrush, that I was referring to over 50% of those who participated in the referendum. 5. You are welcome to support Corbyn of course, and to claim that he is not at all what he seems to be to this sadly misinformed Jew, at least from your own… Read more »