Hungarian anti-Soros campaign hatched in Jerusalem?

Hungarian political life is winding down for the holidays. Normally, in the morning it takes me a couple of hours to read the news of the day in Hungary and elsewhere. But today there was not much to read about, save for a news item that arrived on my computer around noon.

The article came from The Jerusalem Post with the intriguing title “Likud Official Provided Intel for Hungarian Anti-Soros Campaign.” According to the article, about six months ago Eli Hazan, Likud’s international relations director, informed Viktor Orbán that Soros was “a dangerous man” who supported V15, an organization that had sought to topple Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in the 2015 election. A few weeks later, the Hungarian government launched a campaign against George Soros which, Hazan indicated, was a direct consequence of the information he had passed on to Orbán.

The Israeli NGO V15 did indeed want to see Benjamin Netanyahu defeated in 2015 and in partnership with a New York-based group called OneVoice tried to convince Israelis to vote the Likud government out of office. OneVoice is a global initiative that supports grassroots activists in Israel and Palestine who are working “to build the human infrastructure needed to create the necessary conditions for a just and negotiated resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.” I read in Haaretz that V15 was also funded by the Jewish-American businessman S. Daniel Abraham. George Soros’s name was not mentioned, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the Open Society Foundation supported the organization as well. In any case, Netanyahu’s Likud Party accused V15 of serving the interests of the Labor Party. The State Comptroller, however, ruled in October 2016 that “calling on people to vote for various political blocs does not constitute election propaganda.” So, whatever information Eli Hazan passed on to Viktor Orbán, it was most likely tainted and biased.

Hazan seems to be well acquainted with the situation in Budapest, and he is aware of the Hungarian Jews’ distaste for the anti-Soros campaign, which they consider to be anti-Semitic. In fact, after Hazan had written an op-ed for Israel Hayom, Israel’s largest daily paper which is considered to be biased in favor of Netanyahu, Hungarian Jewish officials asked him “not to talk about Soros.” Hazan is convinced, however, that “it’s in the Jewish interest to support Orbán.” He admits that there are anti-Semites in Orbán’s party, but “I can talk to him. We have a lot in common, like the fight against infiltrators.” I don’t know whom he is calling “infiltrators,” perhaps Muslims, perhaps foreign liberals.

If Hazan is telling the truth, the incredible hate campaign against George Soros in Hungary was hatched in Jerusalem for Israeli political reasons. Of course, Netanyahu needed a willing partner, whom he found in Viktor Orbán.

From everything that I’ve read about the Israeli prime minister’s views on Soros, I’m almost certain that he considers Soros to be behind all of his political opponents. At least that is what a meme that his son Yair Netanyahu posted on Facebook indicates. The meme is called “The Food Chain.” Soros is depicted holding a fishing rod with planet Earth on the hook as his bait. That captures the attention of a reptilian-like figure (apparently a common reference in anti-Semitic literature) that, in turn, holds up a fishing rod with a symbol of the Freemasons. The hooded figure is a scheming Illuminati Jew. The three characters are Israeli politicians, political opponents of Netanyahu–Ehud Barak, former prime minister; Eldad Yaniv, organizer of anti-Netanyahu protests; and Meni Naftali, former chief caretaker of the Netanyahus’ official residence, who won an abuse case against Sara Netanyahu.

Source: Facebook

Israeli commentators couldn’t decide whether this post by the prime minister’s son was supposed to be a joke or whether he actually believes in conspiracy theories. Opposition politicians, however, didn’t spare words in condemning his posting of an anti-Semitic cartoon.

Yair Netanyahu might have been in a joking mood, but one must assume that his father believes that NGOs are agents of his domestic opponents and that they are financed by foreign millionaires and billionaires of a liberal bent who want to topple his right-wing government.

I’m almost certain that Netanyahu shared that thought with Orbán when he visited Budapest. Orbán’s latest accusation against Soros-funded NGOs bears a suspicious resemblance to Netanyahu’s claim that V15 was a participant on the side of the Labor Party, working against his reelection in 2015. As a result, the two charitable organizations in Pécs and Debrecen have been transformed into election centers. Everything seems to fit nicely. Viktor Orbán discovered that the Israeli recipe is a politically useful tool.

As for the concerns of the Hungarian Jewish community, Benjamin Netanyahu doesn’t seem to care very much. If there is any trouble, Likud’s international community director will take care of it because he and Orbán understand each other so well.

December 18, 2017
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petofi
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Odds on that this is KGB misinformation…

1956
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Disinformation or other type of manipulation, most probably.

In my opinion, the Likud has been drawn into a deep mess with Moscow.

Michael Kaplan
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Professor Balogh, as you know, the anti Soros campaign began long ago in Hungary. Although I am repulsed by the Netanyahu family, let alone the Prime Minister, Orban did not need their “help” to launch this odious campaign. The Netanyahu government is bad enough, for many reasons, including but not limited to throwing Jewish Hungarians (and Jewish Americans) under the bus, but please don’t give these fools credit for getting Orban to launch his odious crusade against Soros. Orban started that prior to the 2015 events in Israel and continued it long after. The Israeli Prime Minister was “simply” foolish in going alone with it, even “correcting” the decent Israeli ambassador in Budapest for being critical of Orban’s anti Semitic campaign. As for Hazan, everything he says is a lie- to para phrase Mary McCarthy- including and the.

mmburka
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The anti-soros campaign was justified. Foreign citizens, even with billions of dollars behind them have no right to interfere in Hungary’s sovereignty. Austria banned soros, Russia banned soros, the UK is not crazy about him, Ukraine has a civil war thanks to soros, Why would Hungary or any other sane government want to deal with this evil person? This is not an anti-Semitic campaign, it just happened soros was born into a Jewish family. Even Israel wants nothing to do with this man. In the US, he paid protesters. How can anyone defend this person, are they paid by soros or open border society?????????

Guest

Austria banned soros
You’re repeating this nonsense – from Russia Today, breitbart or alex jones?
Are you the similarly named troll on politics.hu that writes this kind of crap constantly?
PS:
That was a warning for the others here!
Don’t feed the troll!

Ferenc
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??justified??
It justly proves only one thing, and that for 101%:
OV&Co are rotten to their core

The campaign is using “previously tested” anti-Semitic methods, so in itself something generally THE worst:
anti-(other)-human(s)

petofi
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Typical KGB and Orban/gypsy slyness: the point is that Soros is so bad that even his own people–the JEWS–are against him.
(Don’t you just love the KGB/gypsy bullshit?)

Farkas
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I think that obsessing about “Gypsy” or “KGB”/”Moscow” conspiracies – á la 1956 – without a shred of any objective and/or tangible evidence, is not only pointless, but has a touch of lunacy about it. Orbán and Netanyahu are both supremely canny political operators and both are right wing nationalists. Both are equally disgusting. At the same time, however, both are equally indispensable as the heads of the governments of their respective countries, for lack of any viable alternative, and because the assorted oppositional factions that compete against them consistently fail to gain the confidence of the respective electorates. Where they are different is in two respects. One is that Orbán runs a country at peace on the Eatern periphery of Europe, whilst Netanyahu runs a country permanently at war, because the Arabs have never and would never accept a Jewish state in their midst. The other main difference is that Orbán sits on top of a unified party organisation, whilst Netanyahu is in the business of herding cats and chooks even on his own political side. No need therefore to assume in either case any kind of behind the scenes perfidious conspiracies; these guys operate right out in the… Read more »
Observer
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Farkas
“..both are equally indispensable as the heads of the governments ..”
Every dictator actually makes himself indispensable, like irreplaceable, by eliminating political opposition. The Orban regime has done just that dismantling all checks and balances, assuming all powers, introducing an extremely biassed electoral system, establishing almost total media control and hoarding up huge financial resources by their monumental institutionalized corruption.
In Hun right now the Orban regime, compared even to his 1998-2002 government, has degenerated into a third class mafia having very few high officials with any credentials, e.g. witness the rise of the A.Tállai, Sz.Nemeth, Gy.Budai, A.Habony, etc.

Jayess
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Good points.

Farkas
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@Observer
December 19, 2017 5:02 am

You seriously misunderstood my point(s), or perhaps the way I put them misled you, in which case I apologize.

First, I don’t really need a lesson about Orbán, his dictatorial ways, and his disgusting mafia empire. I am fully aware of most relevant facts, and not least from reading HS. The reason why I cannot work up outrage like yours about it is probably because I don’t have a dog in that fight. Just as I don’t happen to have a dog in the fight in Venezuela or Turkey.

Second, what I have written above was not meant to be any kind of endorsement of either Orbán or Netanyahu, but merely and hopefully a relatively clear-eyed “compare and contrast” of the two. Again, without working up any kind of outrage about either of them, though not at all concealing my distaste.

I am generally a pretty cold fish, Observer, and I understand that this might be seriously annoying to some.

Observer
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Farkas
No outrage, offense or irritation on my part, I’m not a cold fish, just cool and totally reasonable.
Now, mine was just a note that this “indispensable” position is part of the set up and should be revealed as such and disproved to the public. The actual political situation may be that the Orban regime can removed by elections, as per M.Haraszti (with friends like these who needs enemies), but the parties’ reason d’etre is to fight on (until they are disabled or liquidated).
Btw since the regime is staffed mostly with deplorables, by default there are much more and better human resources outside it, which can run a gov much better professionally.

Observer
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Sorry
..the O regime cannot be remkved

Farkas
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Ja, provided that those better quality human resources can gain the confidence of the electorate to the extent that they can actually defeat Orbán and his mob in the upcoming general election and in the general elections thereafter. I presume that you are referring to the quality of people on the left of the political spectrum, rather than representatives from Jobbik. Unfortunately, however, there is a fly in the ointment. The good people on the left in Hungary are unable to speak with one voice, lack the necessary self-discipline and sense of responsibility to collaborate in any way, shape or form, have no support networks outside of Budapest, lack any kind of overarching vision for the country that could prove attractive and exciting for the majority of the electorate, and do not have any kind of a plan for neutralizing the undoubtedly very extensive sabotage campaign that would surely come after the defeat of Fidesz, which would make the country effectively ungovernable. So, to quote the immortal Peanut: “We met the enemy. and the enemy is us.” And there is the rub . . . The only person that I can really respect and agree with on the political firmament… Read more »
Observer
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Agree, mostly.

Jayess
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You are a seriously disturbed individual.

Farkas
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Really? :-))

Gretchen
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One note: Farkas, not a quote from “Peanuts”, but from the earlier, Joe McCarthy era comic, “Pogo”.

Farkas
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I stand corrected. Thanks. :-))

Observer
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The Orban regime is stepping up its war against the Soros ghost- it has not only pressed the individual mayors and the Alliance of the County Seat Towns (Magyei jogú városok) to join the “struggle”, but is also black mailing many other local governments by the threat of withdrawal of the Modern Cities program funds.
http://nepszava.hu/cikk/1148373-politikai-nyomas-alatt-a-varosok

Btw the local governments already emaciated and stripped of many prerogatives will probably become another set of Potyomkin facades attempting to cover Orban’s dictatorship.

Farkas
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Hazan suffers from “feltűnési viszketegség” (craving the limelight), Netanyahu’s son is an idiot without any brains or common sense, and Israeli political actors are a lunatic and undisciplined rabble, compared to whom the political factions on the Hungarian left are supreme examplars of political discipline and responsibility. There are glaring similiarities between Israel and Hungary. The two countries are equally corrupt, and the most basic political instincts in both countries are illiberal and antidemocratic. After all, it cannot otherwise be in right wing nationalist contexts. Israel’s Jewish citizens arrived there from so many different places in the world, and belong in so many different smaller and larger clashing, feuding and fighting political camps, factions and fragments (“szekértáborok”), that an impression of liberalism and democracy is just about inevitable, especially given the gobsmacking indiscipline and irresponsibility of Israeli political actors and journalists right across the spectrum. But that seeming “liberalism” and “democracy” in Israel is only a mirage. On the one hand, these days the State of Israel is in many respects a theocracy, and the political power and influence of orthodox, national religious and ultra-orthodox Jewry is exponentially growing in contemporary Israel. In this respect, Israel is becoming more and… Read more »
Observer
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Farkas
There is no “fundamentally and radically anti Semitic nature of western culture and civilization …in its ..contemporary post Christian form” not at all. The ill feelings of certain people/groups are not bestowed to the Jews only, malevolence is generously dished around to all and sundry, witness Trump, Orban, Erdogan, let alone Syria and Israel itself.
In agreement with Soros, I don’t support grossly unjust, unnecessarily arrogant or oppressive policies, which are counterproductive for Israel beyond the very short term. And mind you, I have lived with Arabs, I accept some of Israel’s tough policies like retaliatory bombing, military incursions, security walls, but not the provocative kicking around. And there have to be carrots too.

Farkas
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Give me a break Observer, and before you start taking a position on this subject, it would be best if you familiarized yourself with Jewish history and the myriad contemporary antisemitic manifestations and provocations that are happening the world over to this very day in both the physical world and on the internet. Antisemitism or hatred of Jews started at the dawn of Christian civilization, primarily by Jews of “internationalist” or “universalist” persuasion, who rejected the “nationalism” or “particularism” of their fellow Jews. Incidentally, this particular argument continues to rage unabated to this day among the Jews of the world. You only need to read European literature throughout the ages, both the explicitly religious writings and writings with not necessarily religious intent, or many instances of secular literature in the post-Christian European world, to see antisemitism as a constantly returning thread or leitmotif in Western culture and civilization. And of course words inevitably lead to actions, so there were the constant expulsions, pogroms and massacres over the past two millennia, culminating in the Holocaust. Not to mention of course the charming words of Luther or the delightful thesis of Marx on the subject, which Marxists however endeavour to bashfully consign… Read more »
Observer
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Farkas
Long post acknowledged, but this isn’t the place. I know history pretty well – btw why bring Council of Nicea here? The Jews had serious troubles before Christianity : Macabee revolt 160bc, Titus 79 ad, hostilities in the eastern Roman Empire where unyielding fanatism and self imposed communal segregation were displayed. The Jews pioneered the holocaust, if one believes the Old Test. But they were not the only ones hated, persecuted, etc, see Christian sects Albigoi/massacre of Bezier, Teutonic Order/Germans/Poles, English/French 100 y war, millions of German/French conflicts victims, Greeks/Turks/Armenians, etc etc.
It’s not so b/w my friend.

Guest

And Christians have an old tradition of killing other Christians as heretics, witches etc …
I’ve already remarked on the book series by German K H Deschner:
The criminal history of Christianity – 10 volumes covering 20 centuries …
And if you wonder why I’m still angry:
When I was six years old I had to go to another school – most of my friends and neighbours were Catholics but I was Protestant and the schools (paid by the government!) were separate!
That was West Germany in 1949 – it didn’t change until the late 50s.

Farkas
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@Observer December 19, 2017 2:09 pm Sorry, but I have to disagree (probably because I got skin in this particular debate . . .). Yes, the post turned out to be too long, but what the heck, it is a complex story. So here I go again with another longish one. The Council of Nicea established Christianity as the state religion of the Roman Empire; it is from that point forward that Christianity became an extremely dangerous antagonist of Jews. And yes, the Maccabeans were “nationalists” striving for communal segregation in an age where that constituted a weird and unacceptable deviation from the norm. So what? This is quite beside the point in relation to what I was trying to convey. So, to your lights, then, the Jews pioneered the Holocaust, if one is to believe the Old Testament? (Sure, they were the original inventors of gas chambers to facilitate industrial scale mass murder, and they invented the sport of using babies and their mothers for target shooting practice . . . Thus, they no doubt “deserved” what they got, didn’t they? . . . ) You must be kidding, or is this where a latent antisemitism is breaking to… Read more »
Farkas
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I would like to make it crystal clear that none of what I have written so far means any kind of a rejection of Western culture and civilization. The achievements of Western culture and civilization are immense, utterly awesome and historically quite unprecedented in every field of human endeavour. There is moreover no doubt whatsoever that culturally and civilizationally that is where my home is. It is just that being a Jew, I also have to be cognizant and very clear-eyed about the historically organic rootedness of antisemitism in this culture and civilization, and of the continuing high level of antisemitism that obviously pervades it. This is just common sense on the part of a Jew, a matter of paying attention to self-preservation, something that the overhelming majority of pre-Holocaust Jewry had signally failed to do.

Observer
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FARKAS
Doesn’t matter whether it’s called holocaust, final holocaust, shoa, genocide or else, it’s the concept of wiping out a tribe, a people, a nation. Neither matter the tools used, if they are potentially capable of the job.
Second – while the Nazi killed the largest number, there have been other genocides with staggering ratios in history, e.g. the lates in Ruanda.
i don’t take the Bible seriously, but if one does there it is, unless you know of an earlier mention of genocide, and I don’t care if God suggested or ordered it.
Surely the state of Israel is a powerful advocate and defender of the Jews worldwide, but the guarantee for Israel is the US.

Farkas
Guest

As to myself, I take the Old Testament as simply a compendium of the origin myths of the Jewish identity, and that is all.

I still think that your off-hand assertion about Jews having been the pioneers of the holocaust is both wrong and unacceptable.

I completely agree with you that Israel could never survive without enormous US support.

That in fact is the Achilles’ heel of the entire Zionist enterprise.

Our debate here – very much OT, of course, on a forum like HS – had originally started with your response to a casual assertion of mine at the end of a post, that Western culture and civilization is, and has always been suffused with antisemitism.

On that score we remain at odds – as the best of friends of course!!

:-)))

Observer
Guest

:-))

Guest

From your analysis I understand why many European and US Jews said that they would never think of moving to Israel …

Farkas
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There are many deep divisions among Jews worldwide re Israel/Zionism and also as to who or what is a Jew and why. The principal divisions are: (1) between those well off and satisfied to remain in their countries of birth and those who, for one reason or other, move to Israel or were born there; (2) between nationalists (Zionists) and internationalists (the anti-Zionist, generally far left “AsaJew” crowd); (3) (in Israel itself:) between right wing nationalists (“revisionist/religious” Zionists) and left wing nationalists (“labour/socialist” Zionists); (4) (in Israel itself:) between secularists and theocratists, i.e. those wanting strict separation of religion and state, and those in favour of what is essentially a theocracy; (5) (in America:) between reform and orthodox Jewry. And these are only the principal divisions; there are a myriad others as well, and there are also of course many overlaps, combinations and permutations right across the board. And historically there were of course the multitudes of anti-Zionist bolshevik Jews who also made up the overwhelming majority of the membership of the erstwhile Communist Party of the USA; then there were the anti-Zionist Bundists, the majority of secularist Jews in Eastern Europe, who believed in ethnic Jewish unionism inside the… Read more »
Guest

A bit OT:
I’m not and don’t want to become an expert on Zionism – thanks anyway, brother-in-name! 🙂
My “favourite Jew” is (since I’ve been a science fiction fan for more than 60 years now …) Isaac Asimov whose monthly articles in the magazines and autobiography in several volumes I’ve read with fascination.
Of course he also had his weaknesses … 🙂
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autobiographies_of_Isaac_Asimov

Farkas
Guest

:-)))

wrfree
Guest

A pity of the Israel/Hungary duo who appear to be on the same wavelength. With the latter the move to right has brought more and more rapacious and bullish undemocratic government even as Christ allegedly walks among them. With the former time could move on where they too will get a backlash akin to Moses’ rage at worshipping false gods in the quest to fulfill ‘interests’.

J Simon
Guest

Soros deserves criticism. Remember, it was his life long ambition to defeat young Bush. Now the Israeli prime minister, and Orban of course.
Still, the Hungarian campaign against Soros is rather tasteless.

Ferenc
Guest

“rather tasteless”
?? that’s all ??
Rather showing OV’s rottenness to his core, and therefore full tilt stomach emptying!!

wrfree
Guest

Perhaps ‘tasteless’ can’t be the correct word. Tasteless implies that what is served could be edible with a flip of ingredients. So it would seem degenerate would be a more apt description since the Soros defamation drumbeat appeals to the basest emotional instincts where a populace is led by the nose.

And therein shows how the lack of an independent media contributes to a society’s distintegration in having the capability of acknowledging different points of view as a BB report by Mr. Novak showed.

petofi
Guest

Little will change in Hungary until you get the religious hands out of the teaching of the young…

wrfree
Guest

I will only suggest this. It is not the Christ who is faithless, hopeless and uncharitable. It is rather those wayward politicized apostles who distort the ‘message’ and plot with decadent Caesars and consuls for their own gain.
They always put the ME in ME rry Christmas. 😎

Observer
Guest

petofi
reminds me of the joke:
What is 100 lawyers at the bottom of the bay?
A good beginning.

Observer
Guest

Fidesznik Joe Simon
What is wrong if one likes a party and contributes legally, e.g. the Koch brothers funding GOP ?
What about the unbeknown “donors” pumping (most likely illegal) billions into CÖF, EchoTV, or 888.hu, Magyar idők, etc.?
What about state owned companies like MVM (the national power utility) or Szerencsejáték (state gambling monopoly) pumping CÖF and media outlets to blast gov propaganda?
And finally the cheap poster space which was Fidesz staple for 10-13 years, until some other party started to use it, then it became illegal.
God bless Soros! (except for the grave mistake of sponsoring the scheming thief.

Cujo
Guest

The failure of EU to act on Poland and Hungary would act as an incentive for the corrupt governments in other Eastern European countries to break away from European values and the rule of law. It is exactly what happens now in Romania, where the ruling majority is maiming the very justice laws that permitted the country’s joining of the EU. Enough is enough, and should be so even for the bureaucrats in Bruxelles. The fact is, EU can very well survive and thrive whithout the Visegrad and the Balcan countries, NATO will not move away from the Eastern and the Southern flanks anyway. For the people’s of these countries breaking apart from the EU would constitute an immense tragedy and a multi-generational set back.

Member

It’s just the recipe used before in Russia, now applied in Hungary. Calling the enemy’s name (Soros), https://www.google.com/search?q=putin+soros , taking down universities https://www.google.com/search?q=russia+european+university+petersburg

Ferenc
Guest

Thanks Observer, very good piece!!

After the mentioned and linked OSCE’s “preliminary report” (2014.Apr.07, only in English) was issued OSCE’s Final Report (2014.Jul.11) in both English and Hungarian. All mentioned 36 errors are numbered and listed in groups in chapter XVII.Recommendations / XVII.Ajánlások of the report.

Now the major question:
Can anybody find if even one of the recommendations, after 3.5 years and just before the next elections, is implemented or considered for implementation by the current government?

OSCE Final Reports:
in English – http://www.osce.org/odihr/elections/hungary/121098?download=true
in Hungarian – http://www.osce.org/hu/odihr/elections/hungary/122210?download=true

Ferenc
Guest

PS: in chapter XVII.Recommendations / XVII.Ajánlások the 36 points list is introduced as follows:

“These recommendations, as contained throughout the text, are offered with a view to enhance the conduct of elections in Hungary and to support efforts to bring them fully in line with OSCE commitments and other international standards for democratic elections. These recommendations should be read in conjunction with past OSCE/ODIHR recommendations that remain to be addressed. The OSCE/ODIHR stands ready to assist the authorities of Hungary to further improve the electoral process and to address the recommendations contained in this and previous reports.”

“A szövegben megfogalmazott ajánlásokat a szervezet a magyarországi választási gyakorlatok javításának, valamint a demokratikus választásokra vonatkozó EBESZ kötelezettségvállalások és nemzetközi normák teljesítését célzó erőfeszítések támogatására adta ki. Ezen ajánlásokat az EBESZ/ODIHR korábban kiadott, még megvalósításra váró ajánlásaival együttesen kell értelmezni. Az EBESZ/ODIHR készen áll támogatást nyújtani a magyarországi hatóságoknak a választási folyamat további fejlesztéséhez, valamint a jelen és korábbi jelentésekben megfogalmazott ajánlások megvalósításához.”

Ferenc
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sorry comments put in wrong post, meant (and commented again) in next one…

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