Sebastian Gorka: gun charges on two continents

Although Sebastian Gorka’s warrant on gun charges in Hungary is all over the news, I believe I can add some information about the former White House adviser’s past in Hungary. Earlier, I covered Gorka quite extensively, beginning in February 2017, shortly after he became deputy assistant to President Donald Trump, and following that up with several posts on various aspects of his case. But naturally, I couldn’t cover everything that I learned about him over the months I was researching our mystery man. Among the things I didn’t cover at all was Sebastian Gorka’s fascination with guns and his subsequent problems with the police in both the United States and Hungary.

In mid-January 2017 newspapers reported that the man Donald Trump was expected to appoint as his deputy assistant had been arrested on January 31, 2016 as he tried to board a plane at Ronald Reagan Washington International Airport in Arlington, Virginia with a weapon in his carry-on bag. Under Virginia law, carrying a weapon into an airport terminal is a class one misdemeanor, which carries a maximum sentence of 12 months in jail and a fine of $2,500. In addition, a weapon that is illegally transported into the airport terminal must be forfeited. Gorka pled guilty to the gun charge, and sentencing was scheduled for February 3, 2017.

Sebastian Gorka’s “everyday carry” from Recoil magazine

The day of sentencing arrived, but Sebastian Gorka didn’t appear in person in the courthouse. His lawyer represented him. He told the presiding judge, who happened to be the chief judge of Arlington County’s Circuit Court in Virginia, William T. Newman, Jr., that “Dr. Gorka made a mistake. He started carrying a licensed, concealed weapon after he got death threats against his family. He regrets that mistake. Dr. Gorka wants to put this matter behind him and get back to the very important national security work he’s doing,” said the attorney. The judge obligingly dropped the charge under an agreement that resulted in no conviction as long as Gorka stayed out of trouble for six months and paid a nominal fine.

Gorka’s explanation for this unfortunate mishap, as reported by Breitbart News, was that he regularly goes to the shooting range. While hurrying to the airport, he grabbed the bag he normally takes to the range, which happened to have an unloaded 9mm gun in it. This explanation might have impressed the judge, but as we know from other sources Gorka carries a gun or perhaps even guns everywhere he goes. He had a long interview with Recoil, “the ultimate firearms destination for the gun lifestyle.” Gorka later tweeted that the write-up was the “best most accurate interview” he had ever had and added that he loved “watching Lib heads explode in response!” According to the Recoil interview, as described by Huffington Post, Gorka’s “everyday carry”—meaning the items persons carry with them—includes two pistols, two flashlights, a knife, a tourniquet and a copy of the U.S. Constitution.”

Sebastian Gorka’s photo on the police blotter

And that takes us back to Gorka’s encounter with the Hungarian police. 444, a Hungarian news internet site, reported this morning that the Hungarian police have had an active warrant out for Gorka’s arrest ever since September 17, 2016. It was filed in Budaörs, a prosperous small town adjacent to Budapest. The charge was “firearm abuse.”

The warrant was active, of course, during the seven months that Gorka was a member of the White House staff. And when Hungarian Foreign Minister Péter Szijjártó met and conferred with him at the opening of the Hungarian Embassy’s new building in Washington. I suspected that at that point that the Orbán government was hoping to use Gorka as a conduit between Donald Trump and Viktor Orbán, whose eagerness to meet the American president is legendary.

Following up on the Hungarian news, Buzzfeed tried to get in touch with Gorka, who told Hayes Brown, the publication’s world news editor, “Don’t waste your time. I don’t talk to Buzzfeed, thank you.”

Public warrants of general interest

The incident in Budaörs may have occurred in 2009; at least this is what the file number (1310/3894/2009.BÜ) indicates. But we know from various sources, including Sebastian Gorka himself, that he officially left Hungary in 2008. Of course, it is within the realm of possibility that for one reason or another he returned to Hungary and that the incident may have occurred at that time. In any case, Gorka didn’t confirm or deny the existence of the warrant, although he reasserted that 2008 was the date of his departure.

The text of the warrant

A year ago, when Sebastian Gorka’s name was all over the media because of his alleged affiliation with right-wing organizations in 2006 and even earlier, I received a private e-mail from one of my readers. He had information that Gorka, during a roadside encounter with a fellow driver, pulled a gun on him to give weight to his words. My reader didn’t want to share this piece of information in the comment section of Hungarian Spectrum because public disclosure would have revealed the identity of the informer. I have kept this intelligence to myself since. I assume that he was talking about the incident that prompted the warrant for Gorka’s arrest.

But why was this old warrant activated on September 17, 2016 when the incident happened in 2009? I have one possible explanation for this anomaly. While I was doing research on Gorka in the spring of 2016, I found an interview with him with Magyar Nemzet, published on September 10, 2016. Although the interview could have taken place by telephone, Skype, or e-mail, from the tone of the interview I  assumed all along that it was a personal interview that took place in Budapest. My impression was reinforced by an American journalist who told me that, as far as he knew, Gorka made several trips to Hungary during 2016 and asked me to investigate.  Unfortunately, I couldn’t find anything other than this one interview in September 2016. I must admit that I found it strange that Gorka, while already an adviser to Donald Trump, would be making a private trip to Budapest. And if one can believe Gorka, it was a private trip because during the interview he emphasized that he has no official contact with anyone from the Hungarian government. Considering that his relationship with Viktor Orbán was seriously strained prior to his departure for the United States, he was most likely telling the truth.

About a month ago I read on one of the Hungarian internet news sites that Sebastian Gorka’s book Defeating Jihad: The Winnable War was just published in Hungarian by Patmos Records, which is the publishing house of Hit Gyülekezete (Assembly of Faith), whose fundamentalist leader Sándor Németh is a strong supporter of Israel and a fierce opponent of Islam and Muslim settlers in Europe. At that point, it dawned on me that Gorka’s visit to Budapest was most likely in connection with the Hungarian translation and subsequent publication of his book.

Gorka’s interview with Magyar Nemzet on September 10 and the refiling of Gorka’s old warrant on September 17 may well have been causally linked. There is the good possibility that the person on whom Gorka pulled a gun read the Magyar Nemzet interview and decided to inform the police of Gorka’s presence in the country. I assume, however, that by that time the future deputy assistant to the U.S. president was long gone.

January 18, 2018
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exTor
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Let me be the first to post on the man whom I absolutely love to detest.

What I know of Gorka’s psyche, it doesn’t surprise me that he has a gun charge (albeit perhaps minor) hanging over his head. Gorka is highly dubious, in the manner that Steven Seagal (the guy who likes to play sheriff in Louisiana) is highly dubious.

At least Seagal has got Vladimir Putin in his corner. Gorka had Trump in his corner until the fake prez gave him the boot. At least Gorka is still sticking with the Trumpster, unlike that flameout Stephen Bannon.

Interesting, both Trump and Gorka, both very tall men (around 6-foot-3 each), are tremendously insecure, a big paradox. With regard to Gorka’s Hungarian adventure, I found it surprising that a man of Gorka’s stature needed a piece to back himself up, in other words, to heft his words.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Aida
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He is just a rather nasty man. I have heard interviews with him. He is destined to change the world, for the worse, if he is allowed to. If any of our readers discovered one day that Dad had been a vitez how many of us would display the badge or rather hide it in shame?
It is interesting to note the cultural differences on gun crime. An attempt to carry a gun, even if not loaded onto a flight is a very serious matter. The US maximum is derisory and would underscore the apparently soft sentence.

exTor
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This is Sebastian Gorka looking ninja à la Steven Seagal.

I forgot to ask, how did Gorka acquire a gun in Hungary? He couldn’t have brought it from the United States, so somebody in Magyarország armed him.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Istvan
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I went Red Stag hunting in Hungary and brought my 30-06 rifle and scope from the USA with me. I had a Hungarian hunting license that was issued when I signed a hunting contract with a company and I was sent an invitation on the basis of which Hungarian customs issued the necessary firearms and ammunition import permits, which I had to produce at the airport. To export my Red stag trophy from Hungary was actually more complex than bringing in my rifle. I had to have a paid invoice, the trophy documents and a veterinary certificate from the State Veterinarian. It was very expensive with shipping costs and additional customs fees but my mounted stag is one of my most prized trophies at my home in northern Wisconsin in the USA. Most North Americans have never seen a red stag and are amazed when they see it. Here is an image of one on line https://goo.gl/images/9o1bNf my mounted trophy is about the size of the one in the photo. My extended family got all of the meat which was professionally butchered, wrapped and frozen, the US Department of Agriculture prohibits importation of game meat from Hungary even if frozen… Read more »
Olga
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Hi Eva

Not sure if you are interested in this or not but you did live in Ottawa once:

The Globe and Mail picked up the story and I woke up to several ” FYI emails” from my friends with the link – clearly I am held responsible for every Hungrian lunatic. On earth…….:)

Melanie Zuben
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So you are the reason that I did’nt see any wildlife at the Gemencei Forest (near Baja) last year? I was so disappointed!

exTor
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Apology to Éva for offtopicking Ernest Hemingway.

I lived in Key West for 4 months in early 1968. I used to pass Hemingway’s house on Duval Street, down the road from Sloppy Joe’s (pictured in the aftermath of Hurricane Irma) which Ernie used to frequent (supposedly).

I’d go there once in a while, but (for me) the better bar was Capt. Tony’s, around the corner, with a partially gay clientele. The all-gay bar nearby was a bore. As I came to learn, Key West was/is very gay during the winter, the counterpart to Provincetown and Fire Island in the summer.

I ‘met’ Tennessee Williams in KW. That’s another story.

MAGYARKOZÓ

exTor
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As Observer has implied, big-game hunting was an integral part of Ernest Hemingway’s machoness [machismo]. Hemingway was clearly impressed by bullfighting, depicted in TSAR [The Sun Also Rises], and by deep-sea marlin fishing, themed in TOMATS [The Old Man and the Sea].

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The following piece provides an alt viewpoint on EH.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/jan/16/what-orson-welles-really-thought-about-ernest-hemingway

MAGYARKOZÓ

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Thanks for this!
Totally OT:
I’ve been to Spain on holiday very often (probably more than 30 times …) but never to a bull fight – found it atrocious, couldn’t watch it on tv. Anyway the obsession of (some!) Spaniards with stuff like that and religion is as crazy as the Hungarians’ with their glorious past …

wrfree
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Thought of the day …

‘You can wipe out your opponents. But if you do it unjustly you become eligible for being wiped out yourself’.

Cautionary prose by ‘Papa’ who was right on the money. If he wrote on Magyarorszag while alive he probably would have bled to death. Anything he put down on paper was serious business.

Istvan
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Just replying to the issue of the impossibility of importing a gun from the USA to Hungary. I am obviously not adverse to hunting nor are numerous Hungarians who hunt regularly, but unlike Mr. Gorka I follow all the laws relating to weapons especially in foreign nations. By the way under the rules relating to diplomatic immunity even semi automatic weapons, normally illegal under Hungarian law could be legally carried by certain security staff of various embassies in Hungary. Then there also are complex NATO treaties on these issues, there are INTERPOL cooperation agreements relating to Hungary, there are also possible secret agreements relating to cross border weapon possession between Hungary and the security services of other nations of which some could be time limited. While in certain countries in Africa working as a civilian contractor for the US Army I legally carried a concealed 9mm every day due to UN agreements. My daughter who is a reserve US Army officer legally carried a concealed handgun in Columbia while acting as a military adviser to their military within the last year while not in uniform. Believe it or not Gorka appears to have actually had relationships with the Hungarian security… Read more »
exTor
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I’m with you on the sentiment, Melanie.

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Theodore Roosevelt, 1909

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Ernest Hemingway, 1954

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Donald Trump, Junior, 2011

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Some may remember Walter Palmer [left], a 55-year-old Minnesota dentist, who shot Cecil in 2015.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Observer
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Melanie
Shoking ignorance re Hemingway. Read the Snows of Kilimanjaro and biographical notes.

Observer
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Melanie
If you did read, you would have known that H. was a big game hunter and perhaps u would have seen other such photos.
Mine is a pretty simple conclusion from the evidence given by u.

Melanie Zuben
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Wrong conclusion! One should never assume. Hemingway is one of my favourite authors. He was a complicated man, loved his women, his safari suits and his whisky. Deeply sensitive with an exceptionally beautiful soul but at the same time he was obsessed with violence. His fictions are “ no fat (no boring endles bullsh*t),nothing but blood, bone and muscle”. His readers never have to run for the dictionary to find the meaning of big words at the time when the action is hot and rolling. I absolutely adore him.

Melanie Zuben
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Observer,
and what makes you think that I didn’t read absolutely everything that I possibly could about Hemingway? Just because I find it disturbing looking at him posing for “that” photo? (He especially adored cats)
Up on a high horsie again?

Melanie Zuben
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ExTor,
Shocking photo of Hemingway . . . who would’ve thought? (I know he loved guns and he fecied himself macho and all, but to pose with a dead tiger?!) My grandpa used to hunt in winter for deer and wild pigs etc. but he always hated the actual killing part of the experience. He genuinely loved animals.

Melanie Zuben
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Istvan,
I don’t have any problem with hunting for “wildlife management” or for necessities, like hunting to provide food for your family etc. (I guess somebody has to do it) BUT, I detest trophy hunting!

Aida
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Hear, hear. The idea that you are some kind of hero armed with super guns when you destroy innocent creatures is no proof of bravery or of any skill. It is a wanton exercise of savagery and of antisocial ostentation. The brits used to bring back to UK scalps of aborigines or of Mauries. They put them on display as our trophy hunters do with their victims.

Ferenc
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The Brits brought back/stole all kind of trophies. They even built a whole museum around them, calling it ‘The British Museum’…
Though it also has to be said they keep their trophies in good condition, most times better than if the trophies had remained with the original owners… nevertheless current location remains questionable to say the least…

Aida
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Poor peoples’ scalps are trophies? Would you like to think again?

Jean P
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I don’t think that you can turn anybody here into gun lovers if that is what you are trying.

Aida
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What a great joy eating a perfect venison stew. What is the pleasure in slaughtering a beautiful animal like your stag? Is it not worse than taking a front row seat in a slaughterhouse?

Member

A speculation on my part.
The warrant may have been reactivated, perhaps as a possible blackmailing tool. Gorka was a person, they could ask to smooth the way for the regime to make official contact with Trump.
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It is not coincidental, that most public figures, part of and/or connected with the present (and past) Hungarian Governments are criminals, liars, thieves, they do large scale money laudering, highly illegal business deals, form offshore corporations by the hundreds and steal the population blind, while robbing them of their rights, their chance for better education, better healthcare, better life and better future.

This is the reason why Hungary is poor and unable to assimilate the better parts of Western moral values. “Blame the shepherd, not the sheep.”

Observer
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Gyula
Pls don’t mix together any other gov corruption with the wholesale, institutionalized robbery of the Orban regime, as their Lànczi said – this is not corruption, it’s an essential policy. And size matters too, this is on a grand scale – 1.5% GDP.
Note also that the very eager Orban regime tried to pin something on many former officials, including Demszki and Gyurcsàny and out of the 1500 reports (feljelentès) Gyula Budai made to the police we have three convictions for some of millions each. Now they operate with billions.

Ferenc
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For a laugh and a cry check ‘s twitter thing
https://twitter.com/SebGorka/status/954040617767723008

Live long and prosper
Guest
Live long and prosper

Yes, entertaining tweet stream, I agree!

Ferenc
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Interesting result Gorka and Fegyver:comment image
2017.Jan.25, http://www.kaliberinfo.hu/hirek/kaliber-szerzoje-a-feher-hazba-tart

seems to have started website http://www.kaliberinfo.hu in 2012 (first archived by wayback machine at 2012.Jun.29)
published articles from their archive through https://www.google.com/search?q=gorka+site:kaliberinfo.hu
5 articles, all dated 2001-2002, by “Gorka Sebestyén – A szerző az American Handgunner európai tudósítója – Gorka@compuserve.com

A Kaliberinfo weblap a nyomtatott Kaliber magazin online reklámfelülete.
Lapengedély száma: 2.2.4/378/2001 / NMHH iktatószám: CE/464-2/2015
Felelős kiadó: Direx Média Kft. 1106 Budapest

Prior to their own website Kaliber was publishing through it’s ‘kiadó’ – earliest capture by wayback machine: https://web.archive.org/web/20061129113117/http://direxmedia.hu:80/main.php?ujsag=kaliber (issue #103 published 2006.november*)
*when counting back 2006.Nov – 102 months = 1998.May…)

Guess from where ‘m got ‘s guns…

Ferenc
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Found a ‘Kaliber’ contents file (years 1998-2007):
between 2001.March and 2005.Aug Gorka published in Kaliber total 11 articles about you guess what…
source: http://www.gazpisztoly.hu/kaliber.xls

Henrik
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I checked out Patmos Records, the publishing house of HIt Gyülekezete (Assembly of Faith) whose Trump-supporter leader a few years ago decided to align the church with Fidesz. It is also rumored that Orban’s only son Gáspár, who is a fervently religious man, used to be a member of the Assembly of Faith though recently left the church and essentially set up his own congregation named Felház. But what I found interesting is that Péter Tarjányi published no less than six books (from the titles I assume thrillers) at the publishing house. Tarjányi who is known in the media as a security expert is a “former” intelligence officer. He recently set up zoom.hu (a supposedly leftist news site which didn’t become too popular) and was actively organizing from the left to prevent Laszlo Botka (MSZP’s candidate for the post of prime minister) from gaining popularity. Tarjányi is known to be close to shady leftist characters which is why he sells himself as a nominally leftist person. Tarjányi was also just convicted of fraud a few days ago and sentenced to 2 years of prison at first instance. Anyway, this contract with Patmos which also published books from Gorka, Geert Wilders,… Read more »
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Wilders and the late Ulfkotte?
I wouldn’t touch those guys with a hundred feet pole …
“Constipation theories” is my word for describing Ulfkotte and the Kopp publisher – which luckily seems to have to reduce its activities. There just are not enough idiots in Germany to make money from.

PS and OT:
I still remember with horror when many years ago Kopp had a whole page of ads promulgating its books on 9/11, fake moon landing, flat earth etc in the magazine of the biggest German automobile club ADAC (almost 20 million members, me among them) but the ads disappeared soon. Someone probably was not amused to see the club connected to these lunatics …

Ferenc
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Indeed several publications from, for a itself calling christian church, very questionable persons:
*Ulfkotte was a speaker at rallies of the right-wing anti-Islam Pegida movement and the right-wing party AfD.
*Wilders is a Dutch politician, the founder, current leader and ONLY member of the populistic, ultra-right Party for Freedom (PVV)
both together with ‘S.Gun Gorka’ on top of their booklist http://www.patmosrecords.hu/politika-kozeleti-konyvek

exTor
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https://444.hu/2018/01/18/szijjarto-ugy-talalkozott-gorka-sebestyennel-washingtonban-hogy-a-ferfit-itthon-elfogatoparancs-alapjan-korozik

I cant pass up this tidbit. Just for a laugh, I had Google Translate give me the English version of 444’s article headline. Igazi magyar arany, az.

Szijjártó úgy találkozott Gorka Sebestyénnel Washingtonban, hogy a férfit itthon elfogatóparancs alapján körözik

Seagull met Sebestyén Gorka in Washington that she was being caught on the ground by an arrest warrant

MAGYARKOZÓ

Ferenc
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Ah those google translations from Hungarian, always good for a laugh!!
Minister Seagull (Petike) will keep that one!!

exTor
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Peter Seagull is perfect. His visage very much matches.
Note that Google changed Gorka’s sex to a ‘she’. Must be
because of the ‘vitézi rend’ medals pinned to ‘her’ chest.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Member

Look, guys! Al-Jazeera is now referring to him as “ultra-nationalist Prime Minister Viktor Orbán.”
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/01/hungary-blasted-stop-soros-bill-targeting-ngos-180118184038476.html

Observer
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Marty
I suggest:
A thieving accidental fascist.

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Our German Spiegel says the same and Bloomberg remarks:
Orban, who’s said as far back as 2014 that he’s building an “illiberal state” modeled on Russia and Turkey, is the favorite to win a third consecutive term in April 8 elections.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-18/hungary-unveils-stop-soros-plan-as-orban-eyes-re-election
and more news on Hungary:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-15/orban-on-defensive-as-hungarian-asylum-data-prompts-backlash

Marty
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It seems that unfortunately the editors at Bloomberg don’t really understand what it means to live in an – oxymoronic – illiberal democracy.

The most important feature of any “illiberal democracy” is that the incumbent is ALWAYS the favorite to win another term.

Ferenc
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The most important… and finally chased/kicked out of his position by an angry society…
can even happen just before a planned election…

wrfree
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Here is a modern ‘Goebbels’ getting his moment in the sun. That boy is regaling the audience with his ‘class’ and fake aplomb. A demagoguery tailor made for the American masses. We have to thank the regal high-minded POTUS to introduce the US a sort of speaking style that we haven’t heard since the 30’s and 40’s.

https://youtu.be/D4n-N9tmKmQ

Thankfully one ‘outlaw’ gone with his guns is out of Tombstone. It remains to be seen how long his ‘Fuhrer’ can hang around as the duels will keep coming and coming for that gunslinger.

Observer
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wrfree
This Gorka guy is a fraud: the way he talks, what he says, the eagerness to be taken seriously. I have seen many of these Hungarians in their clubs, associations, churches, where being a Hungarian (I.e. superior to the locals) is a full time job.
More disturbing is the audience of American dupes and pricks who seem to want blood, the trumpists.

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It gets better even:
Speeches by Sarah Palin and Sebastian Gorka for Roy Moore!
What a combination …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keRYKe4pIYc
And in case you forgot who Moore “was”:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore
These are real Christians, latefor is surely proud of them …

wrfree
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One thing I think to be learned with POTUS and with his star-crossed acolytes is that you never bet on their horses.

And further when individuals like Viktor talks about Magyarorszag and the ‘Big G’ talks about the US ( he noted ‘our country’) it shows that in his short stay the latter did absolutely nothing for the United States. And for the former that doing ‘everything’ still achieves almost nothing. That’s what can be called being involved on the cusp of ‘zero based’ governing’.

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My favourite debunking site snopes.com also reports on Gorka and his strange relationship (should I say: fetish?) with guns:
https://www.snopes.com/2018/01/18/ex-trump-aide-sebastian-gorka-subject-arrest-warrant-white-house/

Istvan
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In the USA, it’s not so strange Wolfi. We are the most privately armed nation on earth. Even in Eva’s small liberal state of Connecticut where are around 200,000 cocealed gun permit holders, we don’t need to talk about Texas where no permit is even required to openly carry a gun in the state.

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Istvan, I know that the USA see ownership of guns differently from us Europeans …
I remember a story about a guy taking his AR15/Uzi into an airport – but of course not into the secure part!

But what I was thinking of was Gorka taking guns to places where they’re not allowed (like aboard an airplane) knowing (or not?) that they would be scanned – and even he should realise that this is a bad idea …
You described nicely how you managed it, but of course following the laws – while Gorka?

Guest

A bit OT:
An interesting report on the Mercers – the family behind Bannon, breitbart.com who also financed Trump’s campaign:
http://www.cbc.ca/news2/interactives/sh/wex94ODaUs/trump-robert-mercer-billionaire/

Observer
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Tnx wolfi.
Very, very interesting and somewhat scary.
MUST READ!

Istvan
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Even more disturbing Wolfi, at least for me, is the possibility Russian money was funneled directly to the Trump campaign through the National Rifle Association. See https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/18/trump-nra-fbi-alexander-torshin-russia-investigation I have a love hate relationship with the NRA, I have supported them when they have blocked legislation I opposed, I have been hating them for their total support for Trump. Now this shoe drops, its all hard to digest for an old cold warrior like myself and most older mainstream Republicans. Many of us are just a drift, floating, lost in the new political landscape.

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Istvan
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Nem, jelentés a Kossuth tér demonstrációjáról?

Member

OT: I know that you already know, but I have to mention it:

Orbàn welcomes 1300 refugees. These are exactly the amount of refugees, why he performed endless hate campaigns and also a referendum.

If the media were free, he would be hanging on a lamp post already.

Observer
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Aida
Hanging from the lamp post is an infamous threat once insinuated by Zsolt Bayer.
Orban and co MUST be imprisoned for max terms, commensurate with their unprecedented corruption as a deterrent and if Hun politics want to turn the page.
Sixty or more years ago this band would have been hanged/shot for the constitutional putsch they committed. Taking cue from the mad dog ZsB, the Orban gang might have met their terrible end in the Orgovàny Forest.

Observer
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Sorry, forgot:
It goes without saying that the confiscation of property penalties should be imposed/prosecuted with full rig our by a special new branch of the correction services or another agency. The post WW2 German, post Marcos Philipino, 1980’s Mani Pulite Italian, IRS and FBI experience would help a lot.

Member

Lamp post:
I must clarify.
This was not my suggestion for a sentence.
I tried to picture the fury of Orbàn admires, who eventually get into their minds how they were fooled by him.

Ferenc
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I imagine:
OV’s way into prison live covered on all, and I mean really ALL, media.
Some suggestions for the preparation of the way to walk:
-orange carpet lined on both sides with parts of ‘the fence’
-handcuffing of OV by Mr.’Piece of Shit’ [Bakondi] himself
-no spectators, no talk, 100% full silence

Aida
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Gallows for Orbán? No. Something rather humiliating and lingering is more appropriate. Political oblivion, I would suggest.

wrfree
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A cautionary note perhaps. Keep an eye on ‘Google Magyar Translate’. VO is not yet the Google grammar / translation rendorseg. But if he does readers will be forever ‘language bamboozled’ by Magyar Google. Translation in the hands of Fidesz: understanding and meaning by literary strait-jacket.

Ferenc
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Hollik (KDNP, Fid’s little doggy party): If the meeting between ‘Minister Seagull’ and Gorka is anybody’s mistake, it’s not from Hungarian side, BUT the US!!
https://hirtv.hu/ahirtvhirei/hollik-amerika-hibazott-2441773
PS: does anybody of the OV&Co bunch believe even one word of what they’re saying…