Who poses a danger to Hungary’s national security? Anyone who lends a helping hand to a refugee

It is hard to describe the hysteria the Orbán government has whipped up over the nonexistent migrant invasion of Hungary. Day after day, they bombard Hungarians with a relentless campaign of fear mongering. Just when I think that perhaps they have finally spent themselves, they come up with yet another salvo. The latest is their decision to ban Bernadett Szél, co-chair of LMP, from attending the parliamentary committee on national security, of which she is a bona fide member.

By tradition, the chairman of national security committee is always a member of the opposition. In this case, the position has been filled in the last eight years by Zsolt Molnár of MSZP. Since 2014 Szilárd Németh (Fidesz), known for his verbal attacks and boorish behavior, has served as deputy chair. On January 15 Németh announced that “those politicians who lie about the national consultation campaign and have been supporting the Soros Plan all along, as LMP politicians do, cannot take part in the discussions of the national security committee, whose task is the prevention of the implementation of the Soros Plan.” Németh charged that in the past Szél worked in a Soros-financed organization that was supportive of migrants. So, Szél was in fact a paid agent of Soros. But that’s not the only sin of  LMP’s candidate for prime minister. She had the temerity to meet with EU Commissioner Věra Jourová in Brussels, who spoke highly of George Soros’s Open Society Foundation. When asked by journalists how a member of the committee can be barred, Németh claimed that “she will not be barred,” but “in those sessions where the Soros Plan is discussed, the LMP member will not be able to participate because she holds views on the subject which are not in the interest of the nation.” I hope you understand why Németh is ridiculed for his rational deficiencies.

A few hours later Szél announced on her Facebook page that “the great thinker of Fidesz just admitted that everything I said about the Soros network is true and everything they say about it is a lie.” In an interview with 444 she claimed that the material presented by the secret services was information anyone could have picked up from the internet. Yet this material is declared to be secret. She was trying to convince the Alkotmányvédelmi Hivatal (AH / Office in the Defense of the Constitution) to allow it to be made public. Hungarians ought to know the truth, not the kind of reality Fidesz wants to present.

Since all the opposition parties, including Jobbik, announced that “this is madness,” it was thought that this particular stupidity would die a quiet death. So, when a day later, Balázs Hidvéghi, communication director of Fidesz, said that Németh’s utterance was a “political opinion,” people breathed a sigh of relief. At least László Kövér, the president of parliament, would not enlist the parliamentary guard to prevent Szél from entering the committee room. That reaction, however, was premature. Hidvéghi is a young, civilized-looking fellow whose IQ must be a great deal higher than Németh’s, but he is not allowed to utter an opinion that in any way differs from the ukase that comes from above. So, by the end, he basically supported Németh when he said that “we will see whether we will have a session [on the Soros Plan] and then we will see. This is our political opinion.” In effect, though in a mealy-mouthed way, Hidvéghi reasserted Németh’s threat. If there is a session about Soros and his nonexistent plan, “we will see” whether Szél can join the discussion.

If it wasn’t clear after Hidvéghi’s press conference that the government was squarely behind Szilárd Németh, whom Viktor Orbán finds extraordinarily useful in his propaganda campaigns, Híradó’s article yesterday, “Bernadett Szél’s expert failed his security clearance,” left no room for doubt. According to this most official government publication, “in the middle of the migration crisis” Szél nominated an expert to testify before the committee who failed vetting. The expert was born in Kabul, and before he began working for LMP, he had worked for MigSzol, “which is the most pro-migrant organization of Soros.” He was deemed to be a national security risk. Apparently, Szél appealed the decision, but Sándor Pintér, minister of the interior, refused to reconsider the decision.

After this introduction came a laundry list of MigSzol’s activities, which obviously the Orbán government considers to be illegal. Here are some of them: MigSzol organized a demonstration in support of Ahmed H., the man who was sentenced to ten years for “terrorism” for throwing a rock (no one knows whether it hit anyone). During the demonstration protesters chanted slogans like “Freedom for Ahmed!” and “Ahmed today, tomorrow you.” MigSzol activists protested against the national consultation by launching boats into the Danube made out of national consultation questionnaires. During the chaos created by migrants at the Eastern Station in 2015 these activists encouraged Hungarians to give money to feed the migrants. The activists of MigSzol have been attending the trial of Ahmed H.; they inform people about the details of the court proceedings on their website; they try to defend Ahmed H. in opposition to the Hungarian authorities; they don’t hide their goal of attaining freedom for the leader of the disturbances at the Serbian border in September 2015. After all that, Híradó adds: “it is now obvious why Szilárd Németh does not want to see Bernadett Szél in the committee.”

Source: Index / Photo: István Huszti

Híradó’s article also claimed that Bernadett Szél was herself at one point in the pay of George Soros when, in 2002, she was the program director of Menedék—Mingránsokat Segítő Egyesület (Shelter—Association of Migrant Assistance. In an interview yesterday Szél told her audience that at the age of 16 she received a Soros Foundation scholarship to spend six months in the United States. That’s her only connection with George Soros and his organizations. She said that she did work as an activist for the Humanist Movement, which is an international volunteer organization that promotes nonviolence and non-discrimination. She sarcastically added that “it seems that Fidesz at the moment considers it a Soros organization.”

Today Szél gave a press conference in which she labelled press reports on the vetting of LMP’s expert an unlawful disclosure of a state secret. Szél stressed that none of LMP’s experts performs work that is not legitimate. She also said that all the employees of the party are Hungarian citizens who cannot be discriminated against on the basis of their ethnic origin.

This story is a perfect example of how easily the Hungarian authorities can label charitable organizations and protesters threats to national security. It also demonstrates that the Orbán government’s first instinct is to declare people suspect or even guilty on the basis of their national origin. Anyone—and I’m afraid there are many in Hungary—who thinks that the Orbán government’s latest “Stop Soros” campaign is not meant seriously is dead wrong. If that package of new laws is enacted, the MigSzol people who chanted “Today Ahmed, you tomorrow” were unfortunately right.

January 20, 2018
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Jean P
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If a bona fide member of a committee is arbitrarily denied participation in a committee meting it is not a committee meeting. It is a private gathering of no consequence.

Ferenc
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Thanks, apart from clarifying very detailed what’s really going on in and around Hungary, there are always some words in the post I have to look up. This time: UKASE, a for me completely unknown word.
The dictionary revealed it literally means: compulsory order from higher powers.
But the really smashing thing is the origin of the word:
from Imperial Russia, a proclamation of the tsar, government, or a religious leader that had the force of law!!
The uttermost appropriate, I can imagine, in current Hungarian matters.
More at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukase
PS: Hungarian translation is ‘ukáz’ (unfortunately no entry on hu.wikipedia.org)

mmburka
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Just because something is printed it does not make it true

The Hungarian government declared that it does not want illegal migrants in the country, that is their choice as a sovereign nation. If the people of Hungary do not agree with the government policies they can change the the government in April.

It is accepted by the population at large that news reporters should present both sides of a question instead of parroting their liberal views.
Until such time that both sides are presented, this should be considered fake news.

Guest

Just as the North Korean State Media – sorry Orbanistan State Media present both sides?
You are hilarious!
For the others here:
Burka is a troll from breitbart which also appeared on politics.hu spouting its illiberal fascist nonsense!

Ferenc
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just name me 1 government, which wants illegal immigrants
and now that we’re on it, name me 1 NGO supporting/organizing/etc illegal immigration

Jean P
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There is a book about the distinction between ukaz (decree) and zakon (law) ”Ukaz i Zakon” (1894) in Russian. I can’t read it.

https://www.amazon.com/Ukaz-zakon-Russian-N…/B0080TG9OY

Ukaz is a loan word in many languages mostly used derisively.

Melanie Zuben
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This article really makes my blood boil. Hungarians are turned against Hungarians. On one side, the Soros led NGO’os fighting for the need for mass migration/refugee accomodation and on the other side, there are the Hungarian nationalists, fighting for the preservation of their homeland.

God help you all to see the possible future outcomes. Frightening!

Observer
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Hungarians against Hungarians (starting with Kopány) is one of Orban’s most ruinous “policies”: starting with the March 15th kokárda* division in 2002, “the nation [us] can not find itself in opposition”, up to the subject hereof, which is basically the latest step in tarring all opponents (in order to facilitate their elimination).
Witness a fascist regime in action.

zoltan
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All the arguments being used against Melanie are the exact same ones used agianst Brits who opposed mass immigration from the 1960’s onwards. Today we see the results of the disasterous multikulti project.
Ghettoisation of inner cities, London suffers high levels of knife crime – a quick Google will show U who are the victims & offenders, overwhelmingly young black males. Police have become so politicised they are losing
majority population support – they spend time chasing folk on Twitter who say the ‘wrong things’, bit like in Germany.

Certain ‘communities’ are policed sensitively – which led to the biggest scandal of the new century:

Google ‘Rotherham grooming gangs’ – as a ‘taster’ – then check the other towns this disgusting crime. Police, Social Services & Council officials all knew what was going on but were afraid of being called ‘racist’ so the abuse continued for about 10 years before they couldnt keep it secret any longer – the internet led the way, hence authority want to control what is said – German authorities lead the way in what is basically censorship.

DONT follow UK, Germany & France’s (2 name just 3) insane experiment, it will destroy Hungary!

Observer
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Guys,
Don’t feed the silly trolls. Give them a slap and move on.
The current “strategy” of the propaganda machine is to narrow every ill and trouble down to Soros/migrants:
Why withering healthcare? – S.
Why dumber education? – S.
Why dropping behind the region? – S.
Why 28-39% poverty? – S.
Why hundreds of billions are stolen? – S.
and so on.
Primitive stuff for primitive/hatred stunned people.

exTor
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If you’re trying to extrapolate from Rotherham to impugn refugees of all (nonwhite) ethnicities, then I will call you out as a racist, Zoltán. What happened in Rotherham is not linkable to Hungary and to the very few refugees who might be willing to settle here, that of course depending on the graces of the racist Viktor Orbán.

Because you are a racist, Zoltán, because you want to see the worst in people, you probably would not believe that immigrant crime is lower per capita than native crime. This has been the experience in Canada and in the United States.

http://img1.hvg.hu/image.aspx?id=c7809500-22b8-47e9-a381-34734d9482ef&view=e579a964-29d6-479f-90b0-f752bb3fb356

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-23586440
[Hungarian gang jailed for racist Roma killings.]

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The greater problem is with people like you, the haters, the ones who attack the weak, whether it be Roma or refugees. Are you [related to] that brickhead featured in this article, Zoltán?

http://www.hungarianambiance.com/2013/11/interview-with-american-born-and-raised.html

MAGYARKOZÓ

exTor
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Generally I dont debate racists, especially those for whom the term ‘racist’ is a badge of honor. The level of discourse has not been too bad thus far.

Did you expect me to become a racist because the murders of Kata Bándy (in Baranya County) and Lajos Szögi (in Olaszliszka, Borsod-Abaúj-Zemplén) involved Roma. I dislike the perpetrators, not the entire race [romaság]. After all, I dont dislike all Magyars just because a band of racist Hungarians murdered six Roma in Tatárszentgyörgy [Pest County].

And I dont dislike all Americans just because a racist Yank comes to Magyarland, insinuates himself with a group of like-minded racists, then spouts off in an antiOrbán website.

Get with the plan, Zoltán. You’re too smart to be a real racist. You need to demonstrate that you have more than a modicum of selfrespect. From what I can see now, you’re a loozer. All haters are loozers. That is the shame.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Observer
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Zoltan
While your at it – I don’t take issue with Mèszàros or Orban’s ethnicity (look at Mèszàros jun. or Rahel) but with their behaving like the worst gypsy stereotypes – lying, cheating, stealing and bulling.

zoltan
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The word ‘racist’ no longer has any currency. Its used against anyone who doesnt toe the line on mass immigration (2 ‘western’ nations). Everyone’s a problem except those actually causing problems.

‘Immigrant crime’ – define ‘immigrant’.

Re Viktor Orbán, well as long as he is PM, or someone with same sane policy of rejecting Mutti’s migrant quotas (endless immigration from Africa & Asia), then Hungarians will be safer than most other Europeans (west).
I mean, Hungarians are clever enough not to elect a boy, Trudeau, to do a man’s job!

‘Brickhead’ ? You’ve been head-butting the wall, havent you!!

http://www.hungarianambiance.com/2012/07/heres-kata-bandys-gypsy-killer.html

http://hungarianspectrum.org/2009/05/30/verdict-in-the-olaszliszka-hungary-murder/

Oddly (?) to folk like U, when Roma R victims their ethnicity is an issue, when they R offenders their ethnicity isnt an issue.

Melanie Zuben
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Zoltan,
Please google “Apex gangs in Melbourne”.

zoltan
Guest

I’m aware of that issue trough some Oz friends. Thanks.

Guest

Melanie, what about those Catholic priests in Australia who raped boys?
Are they your friends?
Really nice gang!
There are thousands of them all over the world – so shouldn’t we forbid the Catholic priesthood and what about their god – does “he” order them to do this?
You are an abominable creature1

Melanie Zuben
Guest

Wolfi,
Oh, what about them? I guess they are in prison, they have got what they deserved.
And what about your good liberal minded mates in here who believe that 12 – 13 year old girls should be “broken in” by dirty old perverts?? And they are supported by YOU and most of the others on this blog. What about them??
And how about learning to debate in style, without personally attacking your opponents? (Or, is this too difficult for some of you in here?)
And what about attacking real issues instead of attacking other commentators??

Observer
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Melanie
Aren’t you confusing smth from Milo Y. here? Yours is a somewhat perverted and totally out of place comment, idiotic stuff.
Desist or leave.

Observer
Guest

Melanie
Your totally unrelated and unwarranted bringing in pedofilia and calling it “your” is nonsensical and clearly intended to offend.
Such comments/commenters have no place at any quality blog.
And you’re a messenger of nothing here.
ÉVA, I join in and suggest MZ be suspended for a couple months to consider.

Melanie Zuben
Guest

Observer,
Your “petofi” made an unacceptable comment here (what is being pushed under the table, like it never happened) and you are attacking ME again and calling ME “perverted”?! What kind of a twisted thinking is this?! Shooting the messenger?

Ferenc
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@MZ jan.22-3:42am
“And what about your good liberal minded mates in here who believe that 12 – 13 year old girls should be “broken in” by dirty old perverts?? And they are supported by YOU and most of the others on this blog.”
You take the above back, or I’ll ask Eva to ban YOU from commenting one letter more!!

Ferenc
Guest

In this case the (hi)story of petofi’s comment is irrelevant, don’t try to hide behind that.
You DID generalize with “most of the others”, while NOT saying who you really meant.
As a regular commenter here, I take your generalization personal and consider it fully unacceptable!!
SO, I repeat (again and for the last time):
You take the above* back, or I’ll ask Eva to ban YOU from commenting one letter more!!
*Ferenc Jan.22-6:32am => @MZ jan.22-3:42am

Ferenc
Guest

I simply asked you to take back (like never said, or delete comment).
You don’t want to that, so my step is clear

Melanie Zuben
Guest

Ferenc ,
As a regular commenter here, I also take your demand unacceptable. Just out of curiosity, how should I word my apologies ?
How about this “sample”:

I sincerely apologize for defending myself from my regular (personal) attackers on this blog. I’m begging for mercy and acceptence from the honorary commenters on Hungarian Spectrum for exposing their hypocricies.

BTW, please see my comment: “most of the others” NOT “all” others. What “generalisation” are you talking about?!

Melanie Zuben
Guest

Ferenc,
Not one person in here raised his voice at that time (RE: petofi’s comment), accept for “webber”, who left this blog not long after and he was commenting in here for years prior.
What kind of a twisted thinking is this?
Today I was personally attacked, I answered my attacker by exposing one of your own here for his views on “breaking in young, under aged girls” and I have to apologize to you?! I did NOT generalize, I said: “most of the others” meaning that the ones, who kept quiet and said NOTHING, seemed to me that they were in agreement with “petofi “. . .
Now, tell me: how do YOU feel about the reaction or shall I say non-reaction of the rest of the commentators on this blog regarding Petofi’s comment?

Ferenc
Guest

1.if you have a personal discussion (with Wolfi) keep it that, and don’t make general accusations (i.e.don’t imitate “your smart and fearless boys”)
2.now you come with Petofi, who is 1 commenter, while you first wrote about “many commenters”
3.you really like quoting, but this time you’re an absolute disgrace to Maya Angelou’s words

SO, I repeat:
You take the above* back, or I’ll ask Eva to ban YOU from commenting one letter more!!
*Ferenc Jan.22-6:32am => @MZ jan.22-3:42am

Melanie Zuben
Guest

Ferenc,
Why don’t you ask Eva and some of the regulars here about “that” “petofi” post first? Ban me??? On what ground? Haven’t I been always polite and respectful with my abusers here? You try to do that and believe me, you have met your match!
“A sensitive woman is no one’s enemy,
a clever woman is nobody’s victim”
(Maya Angelou)

Guest

It’s you, little fascist girl, which brings up these irrelevant cases – and it’s you who’s attacking the “dingalings”, so if you would refrain from it?
And the laws in civilised countries are clear re the min age of consent – those perpetrators in Rotherham also went to jail, so what’s your point?
This blog is about Hungary – tell that to yourself and your friend Zoltan!

melanie Zuben
Guest

Wolfi,
Name calling again? Is this the norm in here now? Yes, this blog is about Hungary. And in Hungary, the Hungarians make decisions about the future of their country. Accept it and get over it.
“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser” (Socrates)

exTor
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Melanie Zuben, you seem to be exhibiting the intellectual acuity perceived of Szilárd Németh. George Soros is not advocating unlimited immigration of refugees to Hungary. Soros is against the demonization of Syrians and others by Orbán & Company. Your views make you a racist because you support (without criticism) the policies and actions of Fidesz.

You’d likely be a MAGAT [Make America Great Again Trumpist] if you were living in the States. For all I know, you may be an Australian MAGAT. Since you’re so worried about this country, why dont you move back to Hungary and start a group to help Viktor Orbán achieve his goals. You could name your fabulous new group Stop Hungarian Idiocy Today [SHIT].

MAGYARKOZÓ

Observer
Guest

Extor

THE REAL FACE OF THE ORBAN REGIME.
Worth thousands of words.
TNX.

Melanie Zuben
Guest

ExTor,
“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser” (Socrates)

Guest

Sure, Miss dingaling – ain’t that your favourite?
We’re really lucky that you’re so far away – like Zoltan …

exTor
Guest

Thought you might have enjoyed
my scintillate wit, Melanie Zuben.

MAGYARKOZÓ

bimbi
Guest

@Melanie Zuben, 4:00 a.m.

Today’s Guardian, Melanie. Take a look at how it CAN be done, with a smile and a shake of the hand and forgetting the B-s of fear:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/21/italy-migrants-florence

Member

Does George Soros actually lead any NGOs in Hungary?

No. This is Orbanite propaganda. As far as I know, the only NGO that Soros leads is the Open Society Foundations, headquartered in New York.

OSF donates money to NGOs around the world that share its values and its vision. The NGOs are controlled by locals, who also receive money from multiple other sources. Soros does not call up the recipients of his largesse and tell them what to do. Nor does OSF staff.

wrfree
Guest

Re: the Soros ‘largesse’

According to the most recent BBI, the Bloomberg Billionaire Index, Soros gave 18 billion to his Open Society Foundation which was quite an amount in his fortune. That dropped him to no. 195 on the rich list with now a net worth of 8 billion. In any case it probably wouldn’t matter how much he has as the ‘stick man’ will always be burned in effigy by those who vilify him. That fellow is like the crucifix to Dracula.

bimbi
Guest

@Melanie Zuben, 4:00 a.m.

“… the Soros led NGO’os fighting for the need for mass migration…”
Melanie Zuben, you are lying again. What you have written here is just plain false. You simply don’t see the human need to stretch out a hand to help the helpless – but then neither does Viktor Orbán, so you are in good company along with our very own Neanderthal Szilárd Németh.

In Németh’s terms both Orbán and Kövér have egg on their faces for having pocketed money from (GASP) George Soros. How shall we describe this shabby pair? How about lying hypocritical bastards?

Melanie Zuben
Guest

There is a saying: you must help yourself first before you can help the helpless. All the so-called “do-gooders” should think about this inconvenient truth.

I’ve just watched an interview with the king of Norway. He has a big heart and a deep pocket. As we all know, Norway is the wealthiest country in Europe. They can afford to be generous. Hungary is still struggling from the effects of communism. Let them recover first before you force them to accomodate your brilliant ideas.

Member

May God forgive you for your unthinking worship of Orban, a thoroughly evil man.

Guest

In other words:
latefor is proud to have shown again that she’s the village idiot here – so at least we all have something to laugh about!
Generally the situation in Orbanistan howevere is getting more horrible every day – just look at the news on politics.hu (now only on twitter) or on bbj.hu.
Of course for the Capitalists in Western Europe it’s nice that more and more Hungarians are willing to work for them, even for lower wages – just like in Communist times!

bimbi
Guest

@Melanie Zuben, 5:34 a.m.

More risible b-s from Melanie Zuben. Help! I am being suffocated! “Hungary is still struggling from the effects of communism”. No, we are struggling with the effects of Viktor Orbán and shall be for many years to come. Funny, I don’t see Mr. Meszaros/Penztaros digging deep in his pocket to finance NGOs or give a helping hand to refugees. Where ya comin’ from MZ?

Anyway, “stretching out a hand to help the helpless” is not my original – Jesus H. Christ was pretty strong on that idea too they tell me.

Oh, yes and then there is alcoholic Norway as the richest country in Yurp. Whadever, MZ, whadever…

Jean P
Guest

Unfortunately your remark about “alcoholic Norway” is unfactual.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption_per_capita

Norway is no. 65 on the list of countries by alcohol consumption.

bimbi
Guest

@JeanP, 9:58 a.m.

Old data (2010), but I accept your correction. (One wonders where Hungary stands these days…)

Guest

The linked wiki contains other stats from which Hungary is in 5th or 6th place in 2015 – and with the ongoing developments it can only get better!
Egészségedre!

Ferenc
Guest

Those you consider “so-called “do-gooders”” already way passed the acc.you “inconvenient truth”. They want, for whatever reason, to offer their help to people in higher need, than themselves.
Norway is NOT the wealthiest country in Europe, per person that is (drum-roll): Liechtenstein (latest HDR report!), and as a total there are many others.
HU is struggling from effects similar to communism, but now applied by an, at heart not democratic, bunch of looters (a MINORITY). So best is if people living under better conditions, i.e.Australia, help the other people (a MAJORITY!) in Hungary to get rid of OV&Co’s bunch.
Summary of MZ’s comment: true facts – 0 / false facts – everything

PS: MZ seems to be really longing to those “smart and fearless boys”, aka.the looters in Hungary, so far away from her – it’s a WIDE OPEN ROAD…

Guest

The real queszion is, little latefor:
How can Hungary recover from the corrupt Fidesz regime which is stealing billions of Forints from the people?
You are the most idiotic liar I’ve ever seen here (besides the fascist trolls who come and go again …)!
Ever since you wrote here your lunatic statements like “Most Hungarians adore Orban and two thirds voted for him” I’ve been wondering whether you really believe the cr*p you’re writing …
Many people helped Hungarians – how did you or your parents get to Australia btw? So why shouldn’t Hungarians help the refugees?
Maybe all you Tiszta Magyar should be sent back to some village in Eastern Hungary to show the world how great you are …

Ferenc
Guest

Correction: OV&Co and supporters (a big MINORITY in Hungary) turned with aggression against all other people in Hungary

best solution (to cool your blood): Hungarian electorate vote the anti-democratic current governing party out of power
..and everybody lived happily ever after (some probably behind bars…)

Ferenc
Guest

Last Tuesday Jan.16 the Hungarian Constitutional Court [Alkotmánybíróság] had on its agenda the ‘Lex NGO’, all opposition parties in parliament together demanded this law to be ‘checked’ by the CC [AB].
On the same day started the ‘media storm’ about the “anti-illegal-immigration” law package (again targeting independent NGOs), all this ‘blew away’ any news about ‘Lex NGO’. At least since Jan.16 I haven’t read/heard anything about it. Anybody has any concrete info about CC [AB] and ‘:ex NGO’?
Furthermore I suspect:
1.the ‘media storm’ was by OV&Co on purpose started around the meeting day of the CC [AB]
2.OV&Co will try to combine both laws: Lex NGO => illegal NGO & NGO involved with migration => ban “illegal-immigration NGO”

Marty
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Hey, even Freedom House declared a few days ago that Hungary’s political system is free and not party free (let alone not free) – so what’s the problem? Does anybody need a more authentic stamp of approval? C’mon these are just the usual teething problems of any transition to democracy. It is the legacy of 45 years of communism. Sure Orban makes mistakes from time to time, sometimes his decisions are suboptimal, but deep down he’s a real democrat, I know it. He does these hate campaigns only because of the upcoming elections otherwise he will return to his charming, loveable self we all got to love in 1990. I’m sure. OK, I don’t deny that Orban has a few questionable business dealings but haven’t the post-communists stolen a lot either? As we say it in Hungary minden szentnek a maga felé hajlik a keze (perhaps: every man kindles the fire below his own pot). We have to accept that this is how the world is. Raise your hands if you haven’t ever in your life been part of some questionable matter. I mean this is Eastern Europe things are always a bit more complicated and Orban and his family… Read more »
Marty
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I think it’s time to put various Hungarian politicians on the Global Magnitsky Human Rights Accountability Act lists. To be honest I haven’t checked the statute, but the corrupt, oppressive nature of the activities of Orban, Lazar, Rogan and the rest of the bunch would definitely warrant some kind of retaliation from the US. I mean Soros is an American citizen (besides being a Hungarian citizen) and the US cannot defend him from wholesale, vicious abuse in a supposedly allied country?? It’s totally flabbergasting. I mean, with friends like these… The whole world is watching (Hungary is just one example of course) and the observers can’t help but conclude that the US has rendered itself impotent and is indeed going down while China and Russia are rising. OK, the US does conduct wars all over the world (so any such decline would be a protracted process) but with respect to soft power (power not involving military action) the US’ stature has definitely weakened. I mean for Russia it takes only a low-level call to some underling of Szijjártó’s and Orban does what his master expects. This power vacuum is then naturally gets filled by Chinese and Russian power interests. Orban… Read more »
Observer
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Marty
While Soros doesn’t get involved very much with the little fascists jumping up and down slandering him here, he cares about the various NGO doing good work.
I wonder why doesn’t he sue Orban and individual members of the parrot commando for defamation and libel in the US and claim a large enough amount to make the press while pledging apriori the eventual awards to specific charities in Hun. Anyone?

Istvan
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Szel’s comment about what Hungary is now declaring to be a state secret was probably for me the most devastating thing she commented on relating to security matters. The idea that news available to multi-lingual Hungarians on the internet has been declared a state secret really speaks to the issue of reimposing forms of Stalinism or fascism in Hungary today.

wrfree
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?????? I just fell off my chair. Give me time to get up please.

Sandor
Guest

Thanks for the piece, interesting yet as always disturbing.
Here you can read Migszol’s response to the allegations on their blog
http://www.migszol.com/blog/allegations-about-a-connection-between-migszol-bernadett-szel-and-national-security-risks-are-false

Ferenc
Guest

Thanks, that are clear words!!
Will these ever be used in any hirado/M1/etc.item? I doubt it, at least till 2018.April…

James
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I think corruption exists is all countries political circles. However I would rather a country where the politicians line their pockets with money from internal type non harmful businesses than never ending international warfare. But the media is always so silent about the king of democratic countries 250 year killing spree.

Observer
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James
Orban is the Western OECD champion in corruption, miles ahead, no contest, hands down victory. I bet you, or any other idiot for that matter, EUR 200 to show a PM/leader who got 5th richest in his/her country within seven years exclusively of public work contracts.

It’s your right to prefer a dictatorship with a ruling oligarchy robbing the country blind through a huge institutionalized corruption system, but it is pretty idiotic to call the latter “internal type non harmful businesses”.

bimbi
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There is a thoughtful opinion essay in the Guardian today entitled “How Democracies Die” by two Harvard professors of government in which Hungary is listed among those states in which elected leaders have subverted democratic institutions.
“On the electoral road… . …there are no tanks in the streets. Constitutions and other nominally democratic institutions remain in place. People still vote. Elected autocrats maintain a veneer of democracy while eviscerating its substance. Many government efforts to subvert democracy are “legal”, in the sense that they are approved by the legislature or accepted by the courts. They may even be portrayed as efforts to improve democracy – making the judiciary more efficient, combating corruption or cleaning up the electoral process.”
Although the article is primarily concerned with the current US predicament, the authors see the processes that are on-going elsewhere – including Hungary.
Take a look:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/commentisfree/2018/jan/21/this-is-how-democracies-die
Hungary is not alone in its struggle against total take-over by an authoritarian regime. Elég volt!

Zoli
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How democracies die? According to the Guardian, it is if you are against ethno-cultural suicide. In my personal view democracy died a long time ago. Very long! Now we have had four recent gang rapes on the streets of Malmo, not resolved, not reported by the MSM (unlike some rapes in India a few years back), and the Swedish police will not even care to release a description of the perps, because it is not PC to do so. In other words, they care more about not hurting the current incumbent dominant ideology of globalist-Marxism than they do about protecting the citizens. Speaking of citizens, is it not our democratic right to know what is going on in our own communities? It is no longer the democratic right of people in Germany to post their grievances on Facebook either, in regards to certain government policies, such as taking in countless ME-African colonists. We do not have democracy in the Western world anymore. We have a dominant political, business and academic elite, with a largely uniform ideological point of view, which they enforce on the rest through an almost absolute control of the media, of the education system and other forms… Read more »
Observer
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Cretin.

Guest

Stupid lying troll, f*ck off back to breitbart!
All your idiocies have been debunked a thousand times!
Obviously you#re not interested and don’t know about Hungary!

Observer
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wrfree
“extreme polarization can kill democracies” – this is what Orban has been doing since 1994:
– dividing the nation,
– tarring/dehumanizing the opponents,
– cultivating faith based following,
– pushing the narrative to extremes,
– using unrestrained populism with no regard to the truth.

The abuse of an existing legal system to abuse or destroy is no a new pattern from Lucius C. Sulla to Hitler, Erdogan or Orban.
I have been sounding this bell since 2007. I am not surprised by the lists mentioned (see Erdogan) and have been warning about the dynamics, i.e. hardening of the Orban regime.

wrfree
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Spot on piece.

This line got my attention: ‘And if one thing is clear from studying breakdowns throughout history, it’s that extreme polarization can kill democracies’

Yeah and unfortunately we have the POTUS who is on his way towards doing it. Yes we are on the way to the ‘Magyar’ problem too. As a Congressional representative recently commented on the current state of civil discourse and I paraphrase, ‘Geniuses founded the country and now we have idiots running it’.

We have a Constitution that will eventually remove POTUS. On the other hand time and impeachment might want to make themselves felt earlier if only to halt the burrowing damage being inflicted on the institutions and the governance of the United States. This is a bellicose, adversarial and extremely divisive POTUS who wishes his antagonists to go away. It would appear he has been studying his ‘friend’ Putin too too intently. If he has any ‘gravitas’ it’s been lost in the gutter.

Guest

Totally OT (or not?) but to lighten up your day:
Those horrible immigrants from Syria – can you imagine what they did?
One of them invented the ice cream cone!
1904 St. Louis World’s Fair story: that Ernest Hamwi, an immigrant from Syria, was making zalabia, a wafer dessert, next to an ice cream stand. Hamwi suggested the combination, which caught on. Hamwi continued to work in the business of ice cream cones, eventually opening the Missouri Cone Company. The International Association of Ice Cream Manufacturers named him the official creator of the ice cream cone in the 1950s. Still, other stories proliferated, including ones claiming Abe Doumar of Lebanon, Nick and Albert Kabbaz of Syria, David Avayou from Turkey, or Frank and Charles Menches of Ohio gave Hamwi the idea or invented the cone themselves.
http://time.com/4288576/ice-cream-cone-history/
I know it’s a bit cold around Hungary right now for ice cream – but maybe for Melanie?
Invented by an immigrant!

Zoli
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Well that is nice, but that was 1904! Totally OT, but to lighten up your day Those “engineers”, but mostly evidently hobby gynecologists who arrived in Europe in 2015 or in the years before, raped or molested 1,200 women on German streets in a single night, among other things. Here is an account of a young girl which found out she got pregnant after the rape: “Mahr told the committee that she knew of at least one other woman who was also raped in this way and that both of the women had contacted the Lobby for Young Women in January, according to the Kölner Stadt-Anzeiger. The 18-year-old said that on New Year’s Eve, she had gone out with a group of friends and at one point found herself separated from them in the crowd. She said a group of men then surrounded her and pushed her back and forth like a ball. Eventually she landed on the ground and one man forced himself upon her. “She said she also saw another girl near her, also laying on the ground and being attacked,” Ballerstädt said. But a police officer saw what was happening and dragged the man off the woman,… Read more »
Guest

I’m sure that in Hungary many rapes happen every day – so?
Just consider those pedophile priests …
You are just a breitbart troll obviously.
Btw the quoted article says : This was the first “penetration” reported and the woman wasn’t even sure when she was impregnated – might have been another intercourse …
Yes, it shouldn’t have happened – and after the German people realised this, nothing like this happened in the last two years!

Ferenc
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Bernadett Szél’s expert, by OV&Co called “young Afghan”, made a statement, summary:
*only one point of accusations is correct: he failed security clearance (can for secrecy reasons, not publically explain why)
*name: Janan Mirwais, Hungarian citizen (since 2003)
*born 1986 in Kabul, lives since age of 4 in Hungary
*followed from kindergarten the Hungarian education system
*never worked for nor connected with MigSzol
*was for several years representative of Fidesz
*has done work for Schmidt Mária
*is a lawyer and currently works for LMP
source: https://444.hu/2018/01/22/szel-bernadett-betamadott-magyar-afgan-szakertoje-kozlemenyben-tette-helyre-a-kormanymedia-kampanyhazugsagait

In short: OV&Co are LYING AGAIN!! (note: this is illegal acc.their own Fundamental Law**!!)
**Fundamental Law – Article IX.(4): The right to freedom of speech may not be exercised with the aim of violating the human dignity of others.

Ferenc
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Interview with Janan Mirwais (Bernadett Szél’s expert, who “failed his security clearance”):
https://hirtv.hu/video/199411 [in hungarian]