“Memorial mass” for Miklós Horthy cancelled

Governor Miklós Horthy, Hungary’s regent between 1920 and 1944, is in the news again thanks to the Keresztény Értelmiségiek Szövetsége/KÉSZ (Association of Christian Professionals), whose Budapest downtown chapter decided to hold a “memorial mass” in honor of the governor and his daughter-in-law, Countess Ilona Edelsheim-Gyulai, “who were born 150 and 100 years ago respectively.” The connection between the leaders of KÉSZ and the Orbán government is very close. For instance, KÉSZ held its most recent conference in the former chamber of the Hungarian Upper House in the parliament building. Viktor Orbán was the keynote speaker with a ringing speech about the dangers threatening Christian Europe.

This “memorial mass” is an annual affair, normally held at this time of the year. The idea for it most likely came from the long-standing president of the organization Zoltán Osztie, a Catholic priest of decidedly reactionary views. He is known for his hatred of liberalism, which he calls the result of “the devil’s destructive fury.” He is a great admirer of the Horthy regime because, under Horthy, the relationship between church and state was the closest in Hungary’s modern history. He finds the anti-Semitic Prime Minister Pál Teleki, the extreme right-wing Bálint Hóman, and Ottokár Prohászka, the spiritual father of Hungarism, “wonderful people who with the help of God resurrected the dead, mutilated country.” His church in District V has been the scene of several memorial masses for Horthy, not just by KÉSZ but, for example, by an organization called Nobilitas Carpathiae, which is maintained by the noble families of Upper Hungary — that is, Slovakia. You get the idea.

Not every year, but on occasion, the media has picked up on Osztie’s penchant for holding masses for Horthy despite Orbán’s most recent word on the subject: Horthy should not be honored because he remained in his post after the German occupation of the country on March 19, 1944. This obviously hasn’t deterred Osztie, who is fond of celebrating masses to honor former and present politicians. In 2013, for example, he sent out invitations to a mass of thanksgiving in honor of Prime Minister Viktor Orbán’s fiftieth birthday. Here and there the Hungarian media semi-jokingly reported on his activities.

Zoltán Osztie celebrating mass

But no one found this year’s announcement of the “memorial mass” that was supposed to take place on January 27 amusing. Since 2005 January 27 has been recognized as Holocaust Memorial Day. It was on that day in 1945 that the Red Army liberated Auschwitz-Birkenau. That a priest would celebrate a mass in remembrance of Horthy on Holocaust Memorial Day was jarring enough. But when the public found out that Sándor Lezsák, one of the vice-presidents of parliament, Péter Boross, former prime minister, and Sándor Szakály, director of the Veritas Institute, the Orbán regime’s very own historical research group, would be delivering speeches, presumably in praise of Horthy, a well-deserved storm of protest broke out.

András Heisler, president of Mazsihisz, the umbrella organization of Jewish groups, wrote a letter to Sándor Lezsák in which he expressed his serious misgivings about the Hungarian government’s involvement in the affair. Heisler pointed out that “everybody deserves prayers for their salvation and every religious community has the right to offer them. But doing that on Holocaust Memorial Day requires a falsification of history.” Miklós Horthy was complicit in the deaths of the overwhelming majority of Hungarian Jewry.

Heisler’s letter didn’t change the minds of the invited guests or the organizer, who presumably would have been officiating at the mass. Osztie claimed that they were unaware of the day’s significance, but he announced that the “memorial mass” will also be celebrated for the victims of the Holocaust. In fact, according to the organizers, “the goal of our mass is to prove that there is no contradiction between honoring the governor and remembering the victims.” But as an editorial in Szombat, a Jewish periodical, pointed out, how can one honor a man who assisted in the deportation of all Hungarian Jews living outside of Budapest?

In any case, Sándor Lezsák was not moved by Heisler’s letter. He announced that, in accordance with plans, he will attend and deliver his speech. Péter Boross was a bit more circumspect, although he also planned to attend. In his interpretation, the scheduling of the “memorial mass” was a mistake, but, as he said, he “hates cowardice” and is ready to take the consequences of that decision. He was planning to talk about the German occupation, the deportation of Hungarian Jews, and the victims of the Holocaust. And he would talk about Horthy, “who alone was brave enough to stop the deportation of Jews.” Without going into the historical details, let me simply say that this assertion by Boross is without foundation.

But then something happened behind the scenes. In short order, Zoltán Osztie announced that neither the mass nor a remembrance will be held in his church. Of course, he blamed those “who are full of hate and divide the country and create hysteria” for the upheaval when nothing extraordinary happened. The event has been part of a yearly routine.

This sudden change of heart looked suspicious, and questions were raised about the person or persons behind the decision to cancel the event. Given the centralized nature of Orbán’s political system, in which almost everything originates with the prime minister, people suspected that Orbán, who is very sensitive about his regime being labeled anti-Semitic, felt that it was time to intervene. Perhaps his decision was expedited by Rabbi Slomó Köves’s condemnation of the memorial mass. Köves is the “executive” rabbi of the Unified Hungarian Jewish Congregation, which is an affiliate of Chabad Lubavitch. He is certainly Viktor Orbán’s favorite Jewish religious leader. Orbán might not be moved by Mazsihisz, but Köves’s community is something else.

The other possibility is that Viktor Orbán was helped along in coming to the conclusion that this memorial mass must be cancelled by Ronald S. Lauder, head of the World Jewish Congress, who, according to the Israel National News, “urged Orbán to personally intervene” because he found it “truly disturbing that the event is being given legitimacy through the participation of a high dignitary of Hungary,” meaning Sándor Lezsák. Then today, Népszava learned that Cardinal Péter Erdő, archbishop of Esztergom-Budapest and primate of Hungary, personally asked Zoltán Osztie to cancel the event. Apparently, Osztie confirmed that he acted at Erdő’s request. That may be so, but I suspect that Erdő received, if not an order, strong prodding from Viktor Orbán himself.

Finally, a question and observation about the aborted memorial mass. Zsuzsanna Toronyi, director of the Hungarian Jewish Museum and Archives, asked an obvious question in a television interview. Why would Horthy, who came from a long line of devoted Protestants with roots in the Hungarian Reformed Church, be honored by a Catholic mass? He married a deeply religious Catholic, but his sons were baptized in a Hungarian Reformed Church. His son, István, who also married a Catholic, insisted on a Protestant wedding.

The observation comes from someone well versed in Catholic affairs. According to János Dobszay, in Catholic liturgy there is no such thing as a “memorial mass,” although one can celebrate mass for the salvation of the soul of a deceased person. Moreover, given the fact that politicians were invited, the event became a political affair. As a result, Osztie acted against the rules and regulations of the Catholic Church. John Paul II, in his Redemptionis Sacramentum, clearly states that “It is not permissible to link the celebration of Mass to political or secular events, nor to situations that are not fully consistent with the Magisterium of the Catholic Church. Furthermore, it is altogether to be avoided that the celebration of Mass should be carried out merely out of a desire for show, or in the manner of other ceremonies including profane ones, lest the Eucharist should be emptied of its authentic meaning.”

Finally, I would like to call attention to a short opinion piece by Tamás Bauer, one of my favorite Hungarian commentators, which appeared today in HVG. Fine, so “there is no mass, there will be no demonstration. Can we be relieved? Of course not,” starts Bauer. Would it be all right if Osztie and friends set another date for their “memorial mass”? Of course it wouldn’t be. By focusing on the date of the gathering, the discussion dealt only with Horthy’s responsibility for the Jewish victims when he was guilty of so many other things as well: anti-Semitism throughout the years between 1920 and 1944, anti-Jewish laws, revisionist foreign policy, entering the war against the Soviet Union, sending poorly equipped soldiers to the front, and herding Jews into labor battalions. All people who find Orbán’s regime abhorrent should stand fast against the Horthy cult that has been cultivated by Fidesz politicians, including Viktor Orbán.

January 26, 2018
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exTor
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I was just looking at a Csepel online webpage [http://csepel.info] and it advertised a free film about the life of Weiss Manfréd, who was a big deal here in Csepel, having started many enterprises, some of which supplied the German and Hungarian WW2 efforts.

On the webpage there is a link to the film [Az Élet Ára, 2. rész] which had a thumbnail of Miklós Horthy for some reason. One can view part 2 by link.

The above pic shows Horthy in 1919 at the Siófok railway station.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Aida
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At least the stupid event was called off. They should hold an annual celebration that Horthy is gone, maybe soon to be joined by VO. At least Horthy was not corrupt, just a racist scumbag.

Melanie Zuben
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According to some Hungarian and Polish Jews, Horthy was a “hero”. If he was such a vicious anti-Semite, why wasn’t he prosecuted during the Nuremberg Trials?
Years ago, I met an old man who was from a Polish jewish background at a Wine Festival, Hajos (close to Kalocsa), who told us about his and his friends’ escape from Poland to Hungary during the Second World War. He praised Horthy for accomodating all the refugees from Poland and he couldn’t stop praising the Hungarians for their kindness, etc. He and his family became Hungarian citizens.

Was Horthy a hero or a villain?

exTor
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On this day in 1945, the Red Army liberated Auschwitz. For those who may want to read about it, Wikipedia has a very good article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_concentration_camp

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There are lots of pictures showing Adolf Hitler with animals, such as Blondi above, which tend to humanize him. Nobody with half a brain is fooled by these aw-shucks moments. The totality of Hitler trumps all.

Similarly, the totality of Miklós Horthy is paramount. He may have offered incidental kindnesses to certain individuals, however they are irrelevant, for it is the big picture that ultimately counts.

In her ongoing effort to whitewash Viktor Orbán, Melanie Zuben does a disservice to her intellect. She plays stupid in her disingenuous promotion of a narrative that (if it succeeds in continuing its deleteriousness) will ultimately undermine the wellbeing of Hungary, the land of her birth.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Guest

exTor, look at my comment on “Stalin’s Death”, please.
Not too much OT:
The horrors of Auschwitz were shown to us as children – there’s a famous documentary movie by Alain Resnais which we watched at school – with explanation by our local priest. It made a deep and lasting impression on everybody.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_and_Fog_(1956_film)

Ferenc
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FIRST apologize/take back YOU know what!!
BEFORE ever writing a letter here again!!
This is the place: http://hungarianspectrum.org/2018/01/20/who-poses-a-danger-to-hungarys-national-security-anyone-who-lends-a-helping-hand-to-a-refugee/#comment-142962

And to all readers of this blog, I kindly ask you to please IGNORE MZ till she has done so

petofi
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@ Ferenc

You totally misconstrue the intentions of MZ: she comes to this blog hoping to recruit some male members for her hot-tub brigade…

Guest

Reminds me of a scene from the movie I linked to explaining the boring times of the sailors who were kept in Pola/Pula with their ships. It shows seamen going into a whorehouse – one being rejected because he’s just a sailor and this whorehouse is only for officers!
Another scene has Horthy showing off his tattoos to a guy from the camera team which will film the (mis)adventure of the battleships – highly recommended!

Ferenc
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IGNORE

Melanie Zuben
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Ferenc,
Re: begging for forgiveness
Hmm . . . You would have to have me killed first!
No cigar!

Farkas
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Horthy was motivated by three things. The first one was Hungarian irredentism, a burning determination to reverse Trianon. He would have sold his soul to the devil to be able to achieve this goal. As he indeed did. The second was ultra-conservatism, a resolute determination to retain Hungary’s then still explicitly semi-feudal social structure and to suppress at any and all cost any and all left-wing political push that would have aimed to change that. That meant retention of the vast latifundia held by Hungarian aristocracy and the Hungarian Catholic Church, doing nothing about the miserable lives of the 3-4 million destitute peasants (in effect beggars) in the countryside, and suppressing at all cost any substantial union activity by almost similarly destitute urban labourers. The third was antisemitism, a visceral hatred of Jews and of communism, which he of course associated with Jews, though his general hatred of Jews did modulate to mere benign contempt for the handful of plutocratic Jews in his personal circle who were captains of industry and commerce in Hungary and without exception all of them first, second or third generation converts to one or another mainstream Christian denomination in Hungary. Horthy was always an enthusiastic… Read more »
Istvan
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Really an excellent summary of Horthy and antisemitism Farkas. For those American Hungarians who very sadly are under the influence of the American Hungarian Federation Horthy remains the supposed protector of the Jews who made a bad alliance with Hitler. The best documentation of Horthy’s government’s direct involvement in the murder of Jews in English can be found in a book I was made aware of by our host Eva. The book’s title is The Holocaust in Hungary Evolution of a Genocide it is published by the US Holocaust Memorial Museum. As a Catholic an important book for me on our own complicity as Catholics with the Holocaust was the book: The Catholic Church and the Holocaust by Michael Phayer.

Farkas
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Thanks István! :-))

Michael Kaplan
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You may also be interested in a fine book by Paul A. Hanebrink, “In Defense of Christian Hungary: Religion, Nationalism and AntiSemitism, 1890-1944”. I am grateful to read your comments, let alone those of many others today. The tone and content are at a high human level.

Guest

What I still don’t understand:
After WW2 the Catholic Church helped many Nazi mass murderers escape to Southern America – some were found by Mossad and brought to Israel or killed.
And one also should remember that Hitler and the Vatikan had a good connection in the 1930s at first, they agreed on many things and made the (in)famous Konkordat which gave the Catholic Church special rights in Germany – and financial advantages too. Even today these rights are used …

Observer
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FARKAS
Grate summary. Add:

– Horthy’s white terror, where thousands were murdered without trial or jury, an many occasions accompanies with apalong torture.
– The irredentism, falsification of history, the culture of hatred underpin the atrocities committed by the Hun army in Vojevodina, the Ukraine and in the monstrous extermination of hundreds of thousand of their citizens by the Gendarmery.
– The Hungarian army, for all the posturing of the Horthysts, was under par in equipment, training and command, as revealed by 2nd Army’s quick and almost total collapse.
– The predominant inhumane attitude toward the common people is grotesquely demonstrated by a report that the warm clothing donated in Budapest and sent to the Russian front was partially kept in the warehouses “because the soldiers are going to ruin it”.
– The not very intelligent policies of preserving the “traditions” of petty feudalism resulted in slow economic development and poverty. Modern investments were made almost exclusively by Hungarian Jews/Germans and a few foreigners.

The above shows where the current regime roots are, they nourish the growth of same poisonous fruits.

Farkas
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Thanks Observer.

I am of course fully aware of all you have listed here, but in my post(s) above I intended to simply focus on the three principal drivers of Horthy’s political decisions, and in particular some of the key points in relation to his antisemitism.

wrfree
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Re: Horthy political decisions

From his memoir noting what Teleki said in lieu of the pressure being placed on Magyarorszag to accede to Hitler’s request to ‘wipe out Yugoslavia as a military and national unit’.

‘Teleki once made his expectations from the Nazis clear in a conversation with Ciano. In March, 1940, he had asked the Italian Foreign Minister if he could play bridge. “Why?” “So that we may have something to do when we are together in Dachau.”

Teleki’s prescience in hindsight was clear as day. Further he noted if the country went along with Hitler’s demands they would be ‘body snatchers… A nation of trash’. He sealed it all up by killing himself.

A big what-if of Magyar history.. if he stayed alive. But perhaps it might not have amounted to much in a volatile situation even though was the ‘conscience’ of the nation.

But even then Magyarorszag would continue regardless to play ‘lose- lose’ games. They never seem to be good bettors. On the war , England won, Germany lost. They got zilch trying to ‘accomodate’.

Farkas
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wrfree I think that when discussing Hungarian history in the 20th century, we must never forget that Horthy and his leadership group were locked into a political “kényszerpálya,” or force majeure, from the get-go. “Kényszerpálya” is a trajectory of action that is coerced by the circumstances/situation/condition in which its actors find themselves. These usually involve not just geo-political and geo-strategic factors, but also issues of mentality and attitudes both of the political actors involved, and of the population at large that they control. Small example: if Horthy had tried in any way to seriously curb the pogroms and pillage of the so-called National Army under his command in 1919-20, the totally out of control officer corps serving under him would have either replaced him immediately or would have even assassinated him without the slightest hesitation. But Horthy stayed on, thereby making the bed that he had to sleep in from then on, right until the bitter end. Hungary’s history in the twentieth century was very much like a like a Greek tragedy. There was hubris before WW1 in the unwillingness and inability to handle the nationalities question. After WW1, the key political decisions by Horthy and his leadership group literally… Read more »
wrfree
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Farkas…

After reading your enlightening post it would appear ‘kenyszerpalya’ could be a synonym for the German
‘zugzwang’ where a chess player must make a move but ANY move would be detrimental to his position.

So the question I would like to ask is which ‘move’ in your estimation
led to the situation of ‘kenyszerypalya’ (force majeure, zugwzang) where it put Magyarorszag on its disastrous course?

Farkas
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I continue our conversation in a separate post below.

Ferenc
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IGNORE MZ

Melanie Zuben
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Farkas/Michael Kaplan,
Thank you. It was a breath of fresh air and a real pleasure reading your informative posts.

Michael Kaplan
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You are welcome Melanie Zuben.

Farkas
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There were just over 800,000 Jews or persons regarded as Jews in Hungary according to the 1941 census, which also covered the territories returned under the Vienna awards of 1938/40.

It is worth noting that the survival of about 25% of Hungarian Jews, mainly from Budapest, was an entirely incidental and unintended by-product of Horthy’s extremely tight alliance with Hitler.

Without that, there can be little doubt that just about all of those 800,000 Jews resident in Hungary in 1941 would have got wiped out in the early years of the war exactly the same as their well over 3 million cousins in Poland.

Michael Kaplan
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Horthy was both a villain and something less than a villain regarding the mass murder of Jewish Hungarians, let alone he was guilty of persistent anti Semitism. His escape as a war criminal had more to do with post war anti communism and other factors and less to do with his legal, let alone ethical crimes. While still head of state, despite nazi “occupation”, Horthy allowed over 200,000 Hungarian state employees to deport their fellow Jewish citizens and some who were Jewish only under nazi thinking. We can contrast this behavior with that of say Bulgaria, which at least protected the “native” Jews, even if deporting Jews in occupied territory. It is true that after 57 days of the largest genocide to date, Horthy stopped the deportation, too late for over 400,000 Jewish Hungarians, but yes, this late gesture probably contributed to the survival of many Jews in Budapest. He did not do this to save Jews, but rather he had grandiose notions of “saving” Hungary. Absent the Hungarian help, no mass slaughter, as the Germans did not have enough troops, let alone SS for the spring/summer deportations. One of my relatives survived the deportations to Auschwitz/Birkenau and testified at… Read more »
Guest

Horthy has been discussed here (and in other places …) so often, it gets kind of boring.
But I want to remind you about an (Austrian?) movie on the famous trip of Horthy’s ships in WW1 which was unceremoniously ended by an Italian torpedo boat which sank one of those “invincible” battleships so the others returned in hast to port…
That movie was really funny in a way, first showing the boredom of the sailors and officers and then the journey.
Don’t know if it’s available online maybe on youtube.
The ships and their history are described here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegetthoff-class_battleship
Look for Otranto Raid.
It probably was Horthy’s fault too – he wanted the ships to move as fast as possible – but the engines overloaded, got too hot and the smoke attracted those Italian torpedo boats which saw their chance.

Istvan
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My grandfather and great uncle who were both Hungarian NCOs in the Austro-Hungarian Imperial Army made fun of Horthy when I was a child saying he was an Admiral without a navy and the Austrian-Hungarian navy was the worst in the world. No love lost there.

wrfree
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You know I have to say I never ever heard Horthy’s name uttered while a child raised in a Magyar community. As a matter of fact political discussion hardly ever occurred. I believe ghosts of the past got to them pretty good. No wonder. The thought had to be that engaging in politics can get yourself killed.

We certainly walked in different Magyar ‘neighborhoods’. There’s alot I do not know of the past when I examine it. Hard to get answers as virtually most are gone.

Guest

Here’s the movie – a documentary (with original scenes!) directed by Maria Koller:

Ferenc
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OT – question to Observer
There’s a lot in the HU media about a ‘new regulation’ decided by the ‘Election Office’ this week.
As far as I understand the claimed ‘new thing’ was already mentioned 2017.Dec by you in your special post about the current HU election system. (I also remember having heard similar from opposition representatives last year)
Some even claim that the ‘latest change’ is not according to the Electoral Law and would need 2/3 majority in parliament.
Is there really something changed? Can you clarify the item?

Observer
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Ferenc
To be honest, I haven’t, I may try over the weekend.
it’s a legal mess here, lower acts contravene higher order ones, ad hoc legislation/amendments contravene basic one, voluntaristic “interpretations” are readily fabricated by servile officials/party soldiers … Basically the will of the fuhrer is rushed through, azt jò napot, i.d. do whatever we like now the lawyers will mish-mash it later. Witness the hundreds of court cases lost by the gov and note that the respective offices continue to indulge in such illegal practices on many occasions not complying with the court orders – the dictator/fascist modus operandi.
In these circumstances one needs strong willpower to sift through for a clear answer and often by then something has been changed again. This is why we say there’s no rule of law here.

Ferenc
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OK, thought you were aware about it already.
Yes it’s the will of the fuhrer, I noticed that already in 2002.
OV just leaves the ‘public work’ to his minions, so there’s always an escape for himself…

Guest

To turn it ’round:
A new law every day keeps sanity away!

Andrew James Chandler
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I’ve just been re-reading the history of the Reformation. Luther began his protest against the abuses of the Church at that time by objecting to the saying of prayers for the dead and the buying of relics to shorten their time in purgatory. ‘Indulgences’ were a lucrative means of raising money by the Church by exploiting the poor through superstitions which had no connection with the teaching of Jesus in the Scriptures. This ‘memorial mass’ (‘Requiem Mass’ as it is more properly known in the Roman Catholic Church) is a continuation of that practice, and the support for it by the state implies that Roman Catholicism is now the state religion in Hungary, superior to the Evangelical and Reformed (Calvinist) Churches. The added issue is that, as you rightly point out, Horthy was not simply a collaborator, but a major actor in the deportation of the Jews from the countryside, and even from Budapest (he agreed to the resumption of deportations, the creation of ghettos, and formally handed power to the Arrow Cross on abdication). So he had some level of active responsibility for the deaths of all the Hungarian Jews in the Holocaust. The ‘Holocaust’ was an international event,… Read more »
Aida
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Andrew your post is a welcome and clear exposition of the humbug that surrounds Horthy.
It is a stark reminder that those who celebrate the memory of this evil man condone racism, crimes against humanity and genocide. They deserve being cast in the same box as Holocaust deniers.

Guest

A bit OT:
have you heard about the satirical movie on Stalin’s death?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_Stalin
It was forbidden in Russia – of course …
Why?
the Death of Stalin is aimed at inciting hatred and enmity, violating the dignity of the Russian (Soviet) people, promoting ethnic and social inferiority, which points to the movie’s extremist nature. We are confident that the movie was made to distort our country’s past so that the thought of the 1950s Soviet Union makes people feel only terror and disgust.
The reasoning:sounds strangely familiar …
Now if I had enough money I’d want someone to produce a similar film on Horthy – maybe we could ask Soros to finance it?

exTor
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Thanx for the link to The Death of Stalin, of which I had not heard until now. Additionally, thanx for the link to the film Night and Fog, of which I also had not heard till now. I must have led a closeted existence, it seems.

MAGYARKOZÓ

wrfree
Guest

Really some interesting films out there. Need to see DOS.
Some of the best in my collection….classics as well as the more recent. Exceptional films telling powerful and insightful stories.

‘I Worked For Stalin’
‘The Red and the White’
‘Colonel Redl’
‘Mephisto’
‘The Goebbels Experiment’
‘Hitler On Trial’
‘Flame and Citron’
‘The Sorrow and the Pity’
‘Le Silence De La Mer’
‘Army of Shadows’
‘The Winter War’
‘Conspiracy’
‘Mr. Klein’
‘Triumph of the Will’
‘The White Ribbon’
‘Downfall’
‘Soldier of Orange’
‘Hiroshima’
‘Bonhoeffer’
‘Operation Daybreak’
‘Sophie Scholl’

Ron
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Totally off-topic: Felveteli Every year around this time in Hungary, is the so-called Felveteli, which is some kind of selection exam for either 8 year, 6 years or 4 year gymnasiums. Each student can give 5 gymnasium options, and based upon the selection criteria (results old school/result written part Felveteli/ oral Felveteli) either you are rejected or accepted. The written Felveteli (Hungarian language and Mathematics) is the most difficult part. For each exam you can get maximum 50 points score (so two exams together 100 points). And for year kids and parents are quite nervous about this. and after the exam they normally are white and/or crying. The average result is around 22 to 25 points per exam. However, this year however, it is 35 points per exam, and a record 100% score. Why is this? According to some parents/teachers (rumor) it is due to the fact that a child of a Fidesz bigwig did this exam, but the child is not clever enough and therefore, they made it easier than normal so that this child can go to the oral exam. And during the oral exam that can play around with the results and let this child pass. https://www.oktatas.hu… Read more »
wrfree
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Re: “….the goal of our mass is to prove that there is no contradiction between honoring the governor and remembering the victims’

Perhaps no doubt to be expected.. the mass now succumbs to doublethink. The poor faithful taken every which way and that. Even on the road to ‘heaven’ they can get hijacked.

Jaysus. Looks like no place is safe anymore. No peace in the valley and steps are creaking bad on that stairway to heaven.

Marty
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OT:

It seems Milos Zeman won. The fake news propaganda about “murderous migrants” and being anti-Soros worked well.

Member

Éva, do you know about ambalint? It was a long time ago.

Guest

Albrecht, in the discussion here (almost a years ago) you’ll find his goodbye to HS:
I am a fish out of water here among Hungarians and expats, old lefties all. I am a Jew living in Australia. I have many interests and busy with a variety of projects. I don’t really have a dog in debates about Hungarian issues and I am not a leftie. So why bother with this forum? Should have realized this a long time ago.

I shall therefore cease to post on this forum forthwith. I am sure that my departure will be no great loss.

Bálint András Mihály, Melbourne, Australia
http://hungarianspectrum.org/2017/02/20/botkas-formal-introduction-as-mszps-candidate-for-hungarys-new-prime-minister/

Member

OK, I see. Thank you.

Farkas
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Hi Albrecht

Thank you for your interest. My new username is Farkas. I changed my mind, because I find most of the topics covered in this blog, and the conversations that follow, irresistibly interesting, and decided that I wasn’t going to cut my nose off to spite my face, just because I had a barney with Bimbi.

:-))

Jean P
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Ambalint was hounded out. Don’t ask me why.

Farkas
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@Jean P
January 27, 2018 4:02 pm

Because a post of mine on Gyurcsány infuriated Bimbi, who instead of mounting an argument against it, swung into vicious attack mode about the fact that I added a small correction to it. Instead of realising that he probably got up on the wrong side of his bed that day and let the whole thing go, I stupidly attacked back, and the whole thing developed into a vicious dogfight over the next couple of days. At that point, I decided that I had enough, and publicly bailed out. I was wrong.

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This link to Gyurcsány’s speech contains astounding (or not?) facts:
In 2017, government ads in left-leaning Népszava comprised fully 56% of the publication’s ad revenue.
http://hungarianfreepress.com/2018/01/27/ferenc-gyurcsany-focuses-election-campaign-on-populist-themes/
And the story of the invisible new Hungarian pensioners from Ukraine and Russia on which the Hun government spends around 13 billion forints per year (!!!) is also unbelievable but true.
Corruption, thine name is Hungary!

Szabo
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OT: The Hungarian-American journalist Kati Marton wrote a few years ago a fascinating book about her parents who had quite extraordinary lives. Intriguingly many aspects of their lives still to this day remain shrouded in mystery. Marton mentions several times a man she calls “Flower” who is a sinister Hungarian foreign correspondent who used to work in DC who Marton tells us worked for the communist Hungarian intelligence. His name was not revealed in the book but with the information given in the book one could figure out Flower was in fact Dénes Polgár, the then-doyen of Hungarian foreign correspondents, who died in 2009 the same year Marton’s book was published. I just realized that Kuruc Info published in September 2017a good article on Polgár’s life. I don’t check this disgusting far-right site very often but they do publish interesting articles on communist spies from time to time.

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Is this similar to the Russian spy family that was trained in that fake American city somewhere in Siberia and came via Canada to the USA and lived there a long time? Where even their children didn’t know about this …
Forgot the name.

wrfree
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Re: Flower

The book Szabo references is Marton’s ‘Enemy of the People’. She noted that ‘Flower’ was run by Erno Bernat , ‘a Moscow trained spy under diplomatic cover’. He lived in Takoma Park Maryland with his wife and three kids. Thing was he defected and the FBI or CIA got new identities for him and his family. Martin said she was ‘grateful’ to Bernat since he outed the AVO on their attempt to recruit her parents.

Martin actually met her spy and confronted him. But she noted it was ‘denial without a shade of regret’ from a man who ‘thrived under every succeeding regime’.

Farkas
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@wrfree January 28, 2018 9:48 am “So the question I would like to ask is which ‘move’ in your estimation led to the situation of ‘kényszerpálya’ (force majeure, zugwzang) where it put Magyarország on its disastrous course?” In the Carpathian Basin, nationalities are identified by the languages they speak. From the get-go of the early 19th century Hungarian Age of Reform, the leadership of Hungarian speakers in the Carpathian Basin had claimed sovereignty over its entirety as a “historical right” based in the medieval/renaissance Kingdom of Hungary under King Matthias. However, Hungarian speakers were merely one of a number of other minority nationalities living in the Carpathian Basis, and unfortunately the other nationalities were vigorously opposed to the Hungarian ambitions, also right from the get-go. However, right from the beginnings of the Hungarian Age of Reform, the leadership of the Hungarian speaking minority in the Carpathian Basin had disastrously misestimated the relative strength of the Hungarian speaking minority vis à vis the combined strength of the speakers of other minority languages, namely a slew of Slavic languages and Romanian, and chose to either ignore, bagatellise, or fight head-on the parallel ambitions of the other nationalities living slongside the Hungarians in… Read more »
Farkas
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It’s worth noting of course, that had Hungarians opted for either of these alternative strategies right from the beginnings of the Hungarian Age of Reform, the trajectory of the Jewish question in Hungary would also have been quite different, since demographically the Hungarians would never have needed the Jews to add to the Hungarian numbers by declaring that they were Hungarians of the Mosaic Faith. Tragically of course, the Hungarian Holocaust would have still happened just the same, because given the depth and breadth of the profound antisemitism in the country and in Central Europe in general, that too was on a historical trajectory that had an utter inevitability about it.