Although this post will be about U.S.-Hungarian relations, I will have to say a few words about Ukrainian-Hungarian relations because the two are intertwined.
Yesterday Hungarian Foreign Minister Szijjártó met with the newly appointed U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo. It was a brief encounter, lasting only 30 minutes, but from the Hungarian point of view a momentous one given the frosty relations between U.S. administrations and Viktor Orbán’s governments over the years. Something went very wrong in 2001, right after the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center, when István Csurka, chairman of an openly anti-Semitic party and a member of parliament, delivered a speech in which he blamed the United States for what happened.
Orbán was in the chamber at the time and said nothing. Washington hasn’t forgotten the incident, and Orbán has been a persona non grata in the White House ever since. Orbán hoped that with the inauguration of Donald Trump all that was going to change and that his early support of Trump’s candidacy would endear him to the new president. More than a year has gone by, and Orbán’s dream of visiting the White House remains unfulfilled. Moreover, relations between the two countries haven’t become noticeably warmer. The Orbán government’s sustained and intense anti-Ukrainian foreign policy did, however, prompt face-to-face discussions between high-level representatives of the United States and Hungary.
Viktor Orbán jumped on the Russian, anti-Ukrainian bandwagon after Vladimir Putin’s annexation of Crimea in April 2014. He joined Russia in attacking Ukrainian minority policies, he claimed that Ukraine was a danger to Europe, and he expressed his belief that Ukraine will never be a democracy. A few months later Hungary stopped supplying gas to Ukraine. Putin’s Russia was appreciative. Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, at the Munich Security Conference in February 2015, spent an inordinate amount of time on the grievances of the Hungarian minority in Ukraine and the territorial autonomy they should receive.
Hungary had been at odds with the Ukrainian government for years, but in September 2017 it escalated into an open feud. The proximate cause was the introduction of a new law on education that was to apply to all schools, including schools for minority students. According to the proposed bill, beyond a certain grade level all subjects would have to be taught in Ukrainian, with the possible exception of literature and history, which could be taught in the mother tongue of the students. It was this law that gave Hungary the opportunity to conduct an openly anti-Ukrainian foreign policy.
It was in December 2017 that Hungary had its first opportunity to isolate Ukraine when it vetoed a planned meeting of the NATO-Ukraine Joint Commission, a decision-making body responsible for developing relations between NATO and Ukraine. This veto was followed by another in February. Hungary demonstrated that, as a member of the European Union and NATO, it would use all the power at its disposal to veto every attempt by Ukraine to move closer to the West. As I said at the time, “there is no need to beat around the bush. In this Ukrainian-Hungarian conflict, the Orbán government is acting as a stooge of Putin’s Russia.”
The Ukrainian-Hungarian feud finally brought about higher-level contact between Washington and Budapest. Other NATO members, including the United States, became concerned over the rigid, antagonistic stance of the Hungarian government toward Ukraine. Finally, the United States decided to act. In January Foreign Minister Péter Szijjártó was invited to Washington to have a chat with Wess Mitchell, Assistant Secretary of State in charge of European and Eurasian Affairs. Although Szijjártó said nothing about the meeting afterward, it turned out that the American diplomat had offered his services as a mediator between Hungary and Ukraine to solve the Ukrainian crisis at NATO headquarters. About three weeks later, Mitchell traveled to Paris, where he had a meeting with Ukrainian Foreign Minister Pavlo Klimkin and Péter Szijjártó.
The Orbán government may well have calculated that its veto of Ukraine’s participation in NATO-related events would induce the United States to reconsider its relations with Hungary while it could, at the same time, continue its warm relationship with Moscow. Perhaps Orbán hoped that a quick volte face on the Ukrainian issue would open the doors of the White House, improve U.S.-Hungarian relations, and foster beneficial ties between two heads of state who think very much alike. But Orbán’s strategy, if this was indeed his strategy, worked only to a point.
It is hard to tell what the Hungarian government expected from the meeting between Péter Szijjártó and Mike Pompeo, but the strong language that awaited the Hungarian foreign minister most likely surprised him. He certainly didn’t share it with the public after the meeting. On the other hand, Heather Nauert, spokesperson of the State Department, released a summary of the conversation.
Secretary Michael Pompeo met with Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto in Washington on Wednesday. The two discussed areas of mutual interest and opportunities for our countries to increase cooperation. The Secretary underscored the importance of maintaining a vibrant civil society. The Secretary also emphasized the urgent need to help Ukraine in the face of Russian aggression, including the importance of facilitating and supporting Ukraine’s engagement with NATO, and the need to counter Russian malign influence in Central Europe. Both sides agreed that Europe should diversify its sources of energy and discussed increasing U.S. investment in Hungary. The Secretary and Foreign Minister committed to concluding a Defense Cooperation Agreement in the days ahead.
Pompeo might be new on the job, but he was well briefed and didn’t mince words. From the summary we don’t know whether Pompeo talked about the far too close relations between Russia and Hungary, but I assume he did in the course of the discussion about the “malign influence” of Russia. The reference to an over-reliance on Russian energy might have led to a brief discussion of the nuclear power plant Russia is building in Paks. It was especially heartwarming that Pompeo didn’t forget about the plight of the Hungarian NGOs. I should add that Wess Mitchell, who visited Budapest a week ago, most likely in connection with the Ukrainian-Hungarian negotiations and Szijjártó’s meeting with the secretary of state, took advantage of the opportunity to meet with the representatives of Hungarian civic society. Moreover, we know from Tódor Gárdos of Human Rights Watch that the U.S. government, through the embassy in Budapest, has kept in touch with the beleaguered associates of the various human rights groups.
As far as Ukrainian-Hungarian relations are concerned, the Orbán government all of a sudden found its way to constructive negotiations. Hungary now seems to be satisfied that the Ukrainian education law will not become effective before 2023 and that private schools will be exempt. Isn’t it easy to negotiate if there is the will and, of course, some diplomatic pressure? Of course, whether Hungary follows through and reaches a binding understanding with Ukraine that is satisfactory to the West remains an open question.

Of course i am aware of the complicated releations between US, EU, Russia, etc. Interests.The fact of the matter each party is pushing their own globalist interest. I can’t blame Hungary to speak up for the interests of “magyars of Karpatalja”. It is long overdue aspecially in view the shameful view and position of defunkt MDF foreign minister (Jeszenszky) trachery of hungarian interest. I believe in the ploitics of have no friends i have national interests
Follow through.
So, our pigheaded Genious of the Carpathians triumphed over the USA, or at least scored a point, or did he?
A typical Orbán “I want this, whatever the cost” again, but he’s running a great risk of provoking a typical Trump reaction, depending on how M.Pompeo/State brief him.
As far as the small 100+ thousand Hun minority is concerned, I’m still to hear how are they supposed to do in 40+ million Ukraine without education in Ukr. I guess they can till the “Magyar ugar” there until disappearing altogether.
Szijjártó is a ‘nobody’ in the field of international politics. All those that are ‘real’ professional diplomats, unlike Szijjártó, perhaps will deal with him out of necessity, but beyond of compulsory niceties he is ignored and acknowledged only as ‘His Masters’ Voice’, who (by the way) is only tolerated by the world leaders because of necessity. Both, Szijjártó and Orbán, together with the players of current Hungarian politics, will eventually disappear in the void of history full of forgotten nobodies. And if these common criminals playacting as politicians would be remembered by some, it only will be for their low-life behaviour that brought only shame and misery to their native country. Orbán and Szijjártó may believe that they are important players of EU politics, but there are scores of cities on the globe of which the mayors administer over a much larger population and economy than the ‘little shitty country’ of Hungary. So, they should get off the high horse of imaginary importance in world politics and look into the mirror assessing their own insignificance… And one more thing; their so-called friends in Russia will drop them as soon as they outlived their usefulness, which could happen any time. Orbán… Read more »
Perhaps the “Hungary is only a small, unimportant country” approach of “developed westerners” is exactly the attitude which Mr. Orbán is able to exploit to gain domestic support?
You know in a dream I thought Pete might do better to come here to the States to say Florida settling down, doing some fishing by the Gulf and writing his memoirs. At least then he’s out of causing loads of trouble.
But on second thought it wouldn’t be such a great idea as he’d take up residence, become mayor and issue an edict that all tax revenue be disbursed to Russia with power imported from the PPC… the ‘Putin Power Consortium’. Paks 3, , 4, and 5 to be listed on the town dockets for passage. And with a town name change to Szijjartoville , it would be the first US town to provide running 24hr direct flights to Moscow (airbuses no two prop planes!) and all townspeople to have full Russian voting rights with unlimited and free calls to get in the vote. English and Arabic languages only to be spoken Tuesdays between 3 and 4 pm. Citizens wishing to vote in US elections unfortunately would have to travel to Budapest and ‘check in’ ……for security purposes and just to keep track on the integrity of the vote. Florida..the new gateway to Russia 😎
I think you overestimate Mr. Szijjártó’s influence… he started out as a govt. spokesman and is still doing the same job (though nominally Foreign Minister)! Sweet dreams 🙂
Re: Szijjarto influence
All the more reason he and some others don’t belong. I’d suggest looking at the current crop of leaders gives only one conclusion. They’ve all been coming from the wrong deck. I think their skills are so short they couldn’t sell water in the desert. Sadly the country is bereft of what could be called good leadership. Rather we only see what appears only to be the ‘huff’n’puff” gang.
The Parrot started literally carrying the bag of the late (fat) Rabcsàk, and, correct – has never been anything, but a little cog in the works (and quite deservedly so), before his sudden appointment to the Foreign Affairs (see Caligula’s horse for Roman senator).
“And one more thing; their so-called friends in Russia will drop them as soon as they outlived their usefulness, which could happen any time. ”
The handlers rarely drop their agents. They do sacrifice them sometimes but very rarely. Most likely the Russians will continue to control Orban.
Orban – people must understand – is really pro-Russian, anti-West, anti-liberal, anti-democratic. He hates the enfeebled, rich, decadent West and likes powerful, revered leaders like Putin.
Orban genuinely likes and respects Putin – who is exactly the kind of person Orban wants to be.
So there is the genuine ideological alignment, genuine emotions and of course Putin’s kompromat on Orban.
Putin will not drop Orban. Putin will use Orban as long as Orban is useful. Putin might torment Orban a bit, might play with him like a cat plays with a mouse but will not drop Orban. That’s not how it works.
Grazsdanyin knows it. I know it. Who does not know it? Please stand up!
Гражданин
Correct:
– Putin has Orbán by the balls and will continue to use him.
– Orban is anti West because it’s democratic and
– He wants to be a small Putin
Wrong:
– the West is not enfeebled, because rich means strong, incl. the superpower US.
– Orban isn’t pro-Russian and doesn’t like Putin (or anybody), but he loves dictatorship. And from here
– There’s no other ideology but power. And here’s another problem for him
– the way it works is that dictators have never formed any, but short term or single issue alliances, mainly because they can’t compromise (see the record of the Communist world, Latin America, the Arabs, etc). Since Orbán is the smallest pawn on the board guess what are his chances to have his way.
Well, well. Szijjártό goes to Washington expecting to sweep through the front door of the White House but instead is taken to the woodshed by Kansas’ own Mike Pompeo. Who’d a thunk it? Maybe VO and PSz are not quite ready for prime time yet…
The summary that Eva quotes is quite strong in its wording:
“underscored, emphasized” etc are clear orders in diplomatic speak!
If Hungary continues to be antagonistic to Ukraine and a slave to Putin the USA will not be amused!
PS and not too much OT:
I always find it funny when Hungarian politicians are whing about the treatment of Hun minorities when at the same time you see a lot of expensive cars in Budapest with pictures of “Greater Hungary” which was well known for being not so friendly to its minorities …
It gets especially funny when the big SUV displaying this sign (is it a code for the police – this guy is a Fidesz mafioso and doesn’t have to follow traffic rules?) has a Slovak licence plate – because the great Hungarian owner doesn’t want to pay Hungarian taxes …
And now I’m waiting for the trolls …
The first Ukrainians arrived to Transcarpathia on the back of Stalins tanks during the WW2. Before the first Ukrainian migrants arrived, there were only Rusyn people (theys are not ukrainians) Hungarians and some Slovaks. Ukrainians are new communist era migrants in Transcarpathia.
Rusyn ethnicity and language is a rather controversial topic. The controversy centers on whether Rusyn is a dialect of Ukrainian or a distinct language. There are very few people in Subcarpathian Ukraine who identify themselves as Rusyns. The overwhelming majority consider themselves Ukrainians. There are small pockets of Rusyns who live in Serbia, Bosnia-Hercegovina, Slovakia, and Poland. These Rusyns have retained their Rusyn identity as opposed to Ukraine where the small distinctions between the two languages or dialects tended to blur the distinctions which were small in the first place.
Most of the people who considered themselves as “Ukrainians” are communist era migrants. Check the old Encyclopedia Britannica about Ukrainian article and search Rusyns. Or check the old German E.Brockhaus. In the territory of Kingdom of Hungary there were no Ukrainians, just Rusyns, as the two old encyclopedias describe them.
“Ukrainians are new communist era migrants in Transcarpathia.”
They are there, and that is what counts. The historical background for their presence is irrelevant. They will not retreat no matter how much they are bashed with history.
Vicinity
I sometimes envy the “Santa simplicitas” of your kind. It’s an incredible ignorance this “there were only Rusyn people” – these territories have been populated and dominated by a dozen peoples and powers in the last 1000 years – one can hardly find such a messy history in any part of Europe.
Not that this really matters now as Jean P noted.
No Observer! Just read the articles about Rusyn and about Ukrainian people in pre WW1 E. Britannica or in pre ww1 German Brockhaus Encyclopedias. Transcarpathia belonged to Hungary for 1000 years. (Just check the historic maps) There were no Ukrainains before the communist era Ukrainian mass migrations in Transcarpathia.
“Transcarpathia belonged to Hungary for 1000 years.”
Even 1000 years of history is irrelevant. It is the present situation on the ground that counts. Forget about Greater Hungary – or go to war and lose again.
It doesn’t change the historic fact: Ukrainians arrived on the back of Stalin’s tanks.
So what?
Your repetion will not establish an “alternative historic fact”. Read above and the Britanica, drop the BS.
Vicinity seems to be our old troll “Illiberal”, “Irreality” and other nicks …
He just needs to show that Hungarians are something special – and his idea of proving that is telling bad things aboiut everybody else.
Or maybe he just has the urge to divert from the fact that Horthy and his minions killed so many people …
Wolfi, you made fallacy, it is called as Straw man, and you try to operate with off-topic statements. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
Vincinity
What EBritanica are you reading?
Here it is https://www.britannica.com/place/Ukraine/History
– The term is rather Ruthenium/ Ruthen.
– Transcarpathia was not dominated by Hungary for 1000 y since the Hun kingdom existed only for 700, and th Transylvanian Prince was was not always vasal of the Hun king. Moreover TC has been at times dominated by the Kievan Rus, the Mongols/Tatars and the
Polish Lith Commonwealth.
– The whole region has always had a very mixed population of a dozen people and who could count the “Ukrainians”, even if they were clearly distinguishable from the several Slav groups there.
I’m writing this in order to demonstrate the ignorance and the falsity of the approach (as others also noted here).
“The name Ruthenian fell out of use in the Russian Empire and was replaced by either White Russian or Little Russian. The term Ruthenian continued to be used, however, in the Austro-Hungarian Empire as the official designation (German: Ruthenen; Hungarian: ruténok) for the East Slavic inhabitants living in that state’s provinces of Galicia and Bukovina and the northeastern counties of Hungary.”
This is also from the Britannica. There has been no large population exchanges in the area but the inhabitants have been identified by different names at different times. In the Hungarian censuses the language and the people were identified as “rutén” and “ruténok” but still they were the same people whom we today call Ukrainians.
The designation “Rusyn” or “Ruthenian” harks back to “Kievan Russia,” considered to be a loose federation of people speaking East Slavic languages. The Russians, the Belorussians, and the Ukrainians claim their beginnings to Kievan Rus.
Wikipedia’s entry “Ukrainian language” seems to be a pretty thorough and accurate description of the development of the Ukrainian language.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_language
Don’t know why Mr. Pompeo is smiling. He still seems to have some hair. But if the diplomatic past is any indication he more than likely will be tearing his hair out as he gets to be familiar with how the menagerie of the Eagle, the Bear and the Puppy interreact. Exasperation awaits patiently in the wings.
With one running between both it is always a natural reaction to pet the visitor when it comes. But this is a puppy who is getting more and more the hang of trying to serve two masters and acting on it. But indeed it is apparent who is the ‘special one’. And the love-hungry puppy knows it.
Totally OT but really funny – for those who can read German.
A new satirical online site has a detailed report on how the right wing governments of Austria, Hungary, Slovakia and so on want a rebirth of the conservative Empire which could dominate the EU – especially if Poland (parts of which belonged to Austria/Hungary …) also joins.
The article has lots of insider jokes on the quasi fascists in Austria and Hungary …
http://berliner-express.com/2018/06/mehr-gewicht-in-der-eu-rueckkehr-von-oesterreich-ungarn/
👍…With all the activity running around in VO country, the V4 , the EU and CE satire is my solace to the topsy-turvy world we are experiencing.
Well, it is once again obvious who Eva is with! Is it with the ethnic Hungarian minority in Ukraine and against the bigoted Ukrainian oppression of basic historical minority rights? No! She is bashing Hungary for standing up for those basic rights. Therefore I justifiably once more proclaim that with Hungarians like her, the Hungarian people do not need enemies!
BTW, Hungary did not support Russian policy in Ukraine. Hungary has been providing natural gas to Ukraine, voted for the Russia sanctions and is opposed to Nord Stream 2, which is set to deprive Ukraine of precious transit revenues. In light of these facts, do your claims stand up? The fact that Hungary will not tolerate the neo-fascist behavior of Ukraine’s nationalist government against historical minorities in Ukraine and has taken appropriate measures is another matter. The problem is not Hungary, but Ukraine! Your argument is about as moral as accusing a rape victim of scratching the face of the attacker. But of course, for Eva the real problem is not Ukraine and its behavior. She admires it! For her the real problem is that ethnic Hungarians in Ukraine, Romania, Serbia still exist and have not been assimilated yet.
Zoli, you’re (almost) funny again! 🙂
Your only target is obviously:
Make Hungary Greater again!
PS:
Do you also have that sign from the good ol’ times as a bumper sticker – when Hungarians however were a minority in their little Empire?
Because of people like you nobody in the neighbouring countries likes Hungarians …
PPS:
Didn’t you forget some countries in your list?
Austria, Slovakia, Slovenia,…
Zoli
A lot of BS again….
BTW I’m still to hear how the small minority of 100+ thousand is going to earn a living among 40+ million Ukrainians and Russians without education in Ukrainian.
They can till the Magyar ugar there, the best will emigrate to Hun or Europe and the minority will disappear. The Orban chest beating and jumping about will bring only miserable life and faster end.
You are still to hear? Have you heard of reality? Most ethnic Hungarians in Ukraine speak Ukrainian fluently. I am yet to meet one who did not. In order to ensure working knowledge of Ukrainian, it would be enough to have a single course in Ukrainian as a second language.
The Ukrainian education law aims at assimilation, this is the reality of it. That is how the minority will really disappear!
1. You confuse kitchen language with the level needed for professional career. (I speak 10 languages kitchen level, so I know).
2. Higher edu may be emancipated and denigrated in Orbanistan, but it is still a prerequisite for prosperity. Graduates from Hun or European units will (generally) not return, but settle there accelerating the disappearance.
3. Finally, what’s wrong with being a successful Ukrainian (German, American, Australian, etc) of Hun extraction? Isn’t individual success and happiness more important than being a number in some nationalist prick’s statistics?
Sorry:
Higher edu may be EMACIATED …
You confuse your own bull with reality. The education services that minorities in Ukraine benefited from were in no way more generous in teaching in their own language compared with what historical minorities in Hungary benefit from. I am yet to see empirical evidence to show that German, Romanian, Slovak, Serbian kids in Hungary suffer professionally compared with Hungarian peers, because they have education in their own language. So your entire hypothesis meant to justify your own anti-Hungarian bigotry is based on false assumptions.
WTF are you talking about? Who’s comparing?
BTW Are there any unis teaching ONLY in German, Romanian, etc in Hun?
Ok, I give up, you may believe the Earth is flat … by by.
Yeah, you’re dead wrong. Hungary delivers a bare minimum on minority rights, regardless who’s in government.
While true that there are bilingual schools and kindergartens… they are in regions where the Hungarian government traditionally thinks minorities live. As such, schools for Slovaks and Romanians in Békés, Germans in Transdanubia exist, just like ones for Serbs in Southern Hungary. If a person claims the natural right to move anywhere else, I don’t know, for better jobs, sucks to be them.
Then there’s the more pressing issue which you only bemoan with The Ukraine, language usage by adults. As a member of the EU, Hungary has adopted policies like minority members freely using their own language when doing official business. Nice theory, lousy practice. As an ethnic German, I’ve always used Hungarian, as my family name was forcibly assimilated a century before. De facto consuetudina cotidiana, nobody would accept me using German, even though I could.
You don’t know much about this either because you ignore your other than Hungarian heritage or have none. That’s not synonymous with having an anti-Hungarian bigotry, rather challenging a hegemony you could never be critical about.
Good article, and not typical leftist blogging below. I linked to it: http://www.mediaaccess.hu/index.php?module=sourcepage&id=76&lang=1
I have been in Vietnam for the last week and I am now just catching up with Eva’s blog. Eva writes on the meeting with the State Department that “the strong language that awaited the Hungarian foreign minister most likely surprised him.” At least from the summary issued by the US of the meeting the language relating to the Ukrainian situation was the same as issued for several years now. Given how much effort the the American Hungarian Federation has put on lobbying the Department of State over putting the issue of Hungarian speakers in the Ukraine agenda the exclusion of that issue from the summary was a significant diplomatic failure. For example see http://www.americanhungarianfederation.org/news_AHFLetter_SecretaryTillerson_Ukraine_2017-09-13.html The entire US approach to the Russian invasion of Ukraine has been profoundly mistaken in my opinion and in the opinion of many retired US military officers, this has been under both the Obama administration and under the chaotic Trump administration. The EU shivers in terror over any actual confrontation with Russia for fear of getting its natural gas flow cut off. The meeting between Péter Szijjártó and Mike Pompeo reflects more of the same. I personally suspect Trump also sees any economic expansion of… Read more »