The latest victim is the great Hungarian poet, Endre Ady (1877-1919)

Andrea Vastag, a woman in her early 30s, who is described by her right-wing admirers as a “scholar,” wrote a 400-page book on the life of Endre Ady’s wife, whom he married in 1915. Ady is a giant of twentieth-century Hungarian literature.

For anyone who wants to learn more about Vastag’s scholarly accomplishments, many of her appearances before right-wing audiences are available on YouTube. There she is accompanied by Ernő Raffay, the right-wing historian who specializes in Freemasonry and the alleged stranglehold Endre Ady’s fellow Freemasons had on him. At least this is what one gathers from reading the titles of his books on the subject. For example, Endre Ady in the Shackles of Freemasonry or Endre Ady in the Pay of Freemasons. The first title points to Raffay’s conviction that the great Hungarian poet’s thoughts were contaminated by the ideas of the mostly Jewish intellectuals around him who lured Ady into joining one of the lodges. The second volume’s title refers to the monthly financial support the young Baron Lajos Hatvany, the son of a wealthy Jewish businessman and a writer himself, provided to Ady, who was always short of cash.

It is usually Raffay who introduces Andrea Vastag, praising her erudite scholarship. In return, Vastag talks about the 70-year-old Raffay in glowing terms. It seems that Ady and his wife brought these two together. Literally. Recently, they got married.

As far as I can ascertain, none of Andrea Vastag’s writings appeared in Magyar Idők until three days ago, when the paper published an article of hers titled “The age of pseudo-Christianity.” The article is an attack on those moderate right-of-center politicians and intellectuals who ever since 1990 have not dared to be truly Christian and “nemzeti.” The word “nemzeti” is untranslatable, but I think we can safely opt for “nationalistic.” The word “nemzeti” appears as an adjective in front of the present Hungarian government.

According to Vastag, these middle-of-the roaders in the last few months, during the Kulturkampf period, stood against true radicalism shoulder to shoulder with liberals and socialists. These people in fact pose the greatest danger to the nation. They are unprincipled pseudo-Christians. I assume Vastag is talking about Gergely Prőhle, who is also quite active in the Lutheran church as a lay leader, and moderates from the Antall government such as Péter Ákos Bod and Géza Jeszenszky.

So far, there is nothing new in this article; it is just a continuation of the series of articles Magyar Idők has been entertaining us with ever since February. But close to the end of the article she recalls an earlier exhibit of the Petőfi Literary Museum on World War I for which the organizers chose Endre Ady as the hallmark of the age, the poet who was bought by the left. She generously adds that Ady “otherwise was a very talented Hungarian poet who shouldn’t be removed from Hungarian culture,” but he shouldn’t be connected with anything to do with World War I “when he pathologically tried to avoid serving in the armed forces.” This is especially true when Hungary has a poet who actually died on the Russian front in 1917 “while Ady with his Freemason friends were sitting around in well-heated café houses in Budapest…. Could they not find someone who didn’t see the revitalization of the Hungarian people in fusion with a recent immigrant group which would result in the birth of a new nation? Because this is exactly what Endre Ady had in mind in his article ‘Korrobori.’”

Corroboree under the stars

Vastag’s comments take one’s breath away. For those who want to know more about Ady, I strongly recommend reading what Lóránt Czigány had to say about this great poet in A History of Hungarian Literature. If these right radicals were eventually to take the next step and banish Ady from the Hungarian literary pantheon, it would also mean the dismissal of everything that came after him.

Let’s return to Vastag’s puzzling reference to Ady’s idea of creating a new nation out of Hungarians and “a recent immigrant group.” Of course, the recent immigrant group was the large flow of Jewish families moving into Hungary from Galicia in the second half of the nineteenth century. “Korrobiri” is known in the English-speaking world as “corroboree.” It is an Australian Aborigines dance. In 1917 Ady submitted “Korrobiri” to Nyugat (West), the foremost modernist literary magazine,  but the editors felt that, given the wartime censorship, its publication should be postponed.

For Ady, corroboree is a huge sexual dance orgy for which Jews supply the music. This sexual dance has been going on for decades between Jews and non-Jews. The Jews handle the musical instruments and “we, broken-down men, dance, with rage and love.” Here in Hungary “two alien people with hatred and desire dance the love dance and produce a new nation.” Ady seems to see a “prototype of this new people,” and he hopes that he is correct because in his opinion that would be “a solution for our dilemma” and it would be “the masterwork of History.” I assume that this corroboree would mean a dynamic amalgamation of the two cultures. One mustn’t forget that at that point Budapest had a very large (25%) Jewish population and Budapest cultural life was already heavily influenced by a unique Hungarian-Jewish culture.

So, it’s no wonder that Endre Ady is a target of these anti-Semitic right radicals, but until now they didn’t dare speak out, especially not in a semi-official government newspaper. The attack on Ady was undoubtedly authorized from above. No question, the far right is now officially sponsored by the Orbán government.

October 20, 2018
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Gyula Bognar Jr
October 20, 2018 8:20 pm

I wrote this on my Facebook page:
Will the corrupt criminals and thieves who are masquerading as the Government, have enough time to invent some horrible accusations and go down the list of poets and writers, discrediting them and get all the way to Sándor Petőfi? (He is someone like Walt Whitman or Edgar Allen Poe in American literature.)

nvtln
nvtln
October 21, 2018 1:35 pm

Why not? They’ve already moved against the MTA, which is, in my opinion just as connected to what people imagine themselves to be as a nation as Petőfi. Also, Petőfi was a liberalfascist, who else would write something like ‘The sea arises’. It’s only a matter of time before the holy NER crushes all filth like that. Unfortunately, the liberal media domination is so vast, even the most energetic NER zealots have to take their time to crush them all.

October 20, 2018 8:34 pm

So…in defining what makes something truly Hungarian, they’re attacking everything Hungarian. What a bunch.

Istvan
October 20, 2018 10:21 pm

I learned about 3pm today that the USA is pulling out of a very important nuclear weapons and missle treaty with Russia called the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF) from a news report. The discussions on military related blogs has been enormous and extensive in the last few hours. The discussion has been really technical in nature discussing how fast these weapons could be deployed and to be honest the new job opportunities with Los Alamos National Security, LLC where additional warheads will likely be produced. I am actually surprised President Trump was talked into withdrawing from the INF treaty with Russia https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45930206 For these ground-launched medium-range missiles, which would carry fairly large nuclear bombs, to be effective against Russian forces they would have to be based in Europe, to be most effective in countries like Poland, Hungary, Romania, and the Baltic nations. I would hope President Trump and National Security adviser Bolton actually got agreements from some of the front line states for the placement potentially of these missiles in these nations. This paper discusses the INF treaty in some detail and is worth reading https://www.jstor.org/stable/26271591?seq=1#metadata_info_tab_contents I know that Poland’s defense ministry has indicated over a year ago it… Read more »

Andy'babe'
October 21, 2018 10:47 pm
Reply to  Istvan

It is indeed worrysome to have these localized nukes back in the arsenal, however if the US accusations that Russia has been secretly honing such delivery systems, methinks it is an acceptable and appropriate response.
However abhorrent it is to see nuclear bombs being produced for realively close-range combat, I personally think this step is INEVITABLE in the process of a CREDIBLE defense strategy.
Indeed it ratchets up the likwelihood that such ‘smaller’ nukes may be used however abhorrent the thought is, I think it is totally inevitable for protection in an otherwise likely aggressive world !

dos929
dos929
October 21, 2018 1:48 am

The tragedy of the Hungarian people under this Orwellian regime is also the tragedy of Europe. It is stemming of the similar tragedy of late 20th century and ever since to these very days that autocratic regimes like Venezuela, Zimbabwe, etc… could exist for decades on without a forceful intervention by the rest of the so-called western democracies. Just like with the absence of actions against those, is the appeasement policy against Orban, and the hiding behind excuses galore of diplomatic courtesy and other nonsense. So, no wonder that regimes like Orban’s are also tolerated under the very nose of the leaders of the European political echelon. The educated and learned millions are becoming more and more irrelevant as a result of the incompetence of world politics that let forget the values learned and practised for centuries. The left is not blameless either, as they missed their decades long chance of decent and coherent policies, and often corrupt practices, but nothing like that of the current regimes. The ‘new right’ is marching forward relentlessly and is destroying everything in its way; be it human rights, cultural values, historical facts, and basically everything that represents humanity. Orban’s Hungary is a prime… Read more »

Andrew Singer
Andrew Singer
October 21, 2018 3:54 am

As a poet who was living much of his adult life in Hungary — having taught poetry and literary translation at Hungarian universities, and translated, edited, and hosted literature there extensively — I finally made the long-overdue decision to leave Budapest and return to the West when political games started over the statue of Hungarian poet Attila József near Parliament in 2011 (https://hungarianspectrum.org/2011/11/21/hungarians-and-poetry-attila-jozsef-and-his-endangered-statue/). Hearing that Ady’s legacy may now be heading to the chopping block — owing to his cosmopolitan leanings — would signal a next stage of sadness at Hungary’s unraveling. Let us hope that Vastag’s commentary is just an outlier, rather than a first salvo of a new potential trend.

exTor
exTor
October 21, 2018 7:25 am
Reply to  Andrew Singer

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_GKfnZUMUveg/RlgyBQVhe8I/AAAAAAAAAFI/R2Lhp7z6Q5A/s1600/omaha.JPG

http://hammeredoutlitzine.blogspot.com/2007/05/omaharising.html • OMAHA RISING •

As I read you, Andrew Singer, the Joseph Attila business was coincident to your bailing out on MagyarLand, not your reason for doing so.

Now that I have outed myself (per my literary alterego) the Hungarian Spectrum readership can pronounce on my poetry. For those who dont know how to read my stuff, I suggest performatively, definitely pausing at each linebreak, otherwise meaning will be demeaned.

MAGYARKOZÓ

exTor
exTor
October 21, 2018 8:10 am
Reply to  exTor

For those who are curious, the photo was taken 2002 July 24 at the Art Bar [Victory Café, Toronto], my 3rd of 4 Art Bar features [1999, 2001, 2002, 2008]. On this evening, I [as OmahaRisinG] am the 3rd of 3 featured poets to take the stage.

I am 52-years-old at this shown juncture of my life. I dont look much different now, except that my hair is more salt-and-peppery and is shoulder-length. I have not done any poetry since TwentyTen.

MAGYARKOZÓ

wrfree
wrfree
October 21, 2018 9:26 am
Reply to  exTor

The muses await! When that certain feeling comes then you’ll be hard aworking to get the lines right. Keep that pen handy. Inspiration can hit at anytime. 😎👍

AS… Yes let’s hope we are seeing an ‘outlier’. But then again it is plain as day to see the direction taken by leadership which if kept up will result in cultural disaster not only for the country but throughout the world. That direction ultimately gives cover to repression and to potentially increase the work of revisionists whether it relates to debunking science or hijacking the labors of artists in their fields of endeavor as their ideas get pegged to rightist ideologies. That is theft in the guise of promoting so-called ‘definitive’ culture’.

And as for trends there can be much to ponder about in the murders recently of journalists Jan Kuciak and Khashoggi in addition to the Skripal poisonings in Salisbury. Could this be the new quicker way of solving ‘European’ problems? Or just an aberration? Time will only tell. And we will see how ‘principles’ get steered through an increasingly dangerous and winding way.

exTor
exTor
October 21, 2018 12:15 pm
Reply to  exTor

Thanx for the encouragement, Free. People often ask whether I write poetry in Hungarian. I tell them that my ability with Hungarian is too lacking. For now, I am past poetry. I have started a novel that will be a fictionate version of my life. I give myself two years to finish it.

MAGYARKOZÓ

wrfree
wrfree
October 21, 2018 1:14 pm
Reply to  exTor

Re: ‘past poetry …started a novel .. two years to finish’

You’re lucky you can say that. Recently I have come to a conclusion that I have been working on a poem (really just a few ideas) for literally years and in a way didn’t even know it. I know it will take more time. Just haven’t found the voice yet. And it may never get finished. I guess now I know now how writers feel. Really it’s a difficult business. There’s a certain integrity that’s needed. Little by little I hope to get there. For now I just keep reading and taking everything in. I find it a worthwhile endeavor.😎

exTor
exTor
October 22, 2018 7:26 am
Reply to  wrfree

Not sure if your poem will be in English or in Hungarian, Free. If you want to talk about it privately, have a looksee at my response to Melanie.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Andy'babe'
October 21, 2018 11:02 pm
Reply to  exTor

Thanks exTor for the encouragement re production capability. In some fields of study they call it ‘executive function’ capacity. For over thirty or more years I keep getting my deadines put off, year at a time… And that, in my experience has a way of adding up…

exTor
exTor
October 22, 2018 7:36 am
Reply to  Andy'babe'

Not sure what I may have done for you, Andy. Perhaps you can flesh out your comment somewhat.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Melanie Zuben
Melanie Zuben
October 21, 2018 9:06 pm
Reply to  exTor

ExTor,
You look pretty hot for a guy in his “eight decade”! (eye for an eye here 😜) Please remember, there is a golden rule amongst narcissists: never offend the beauty of another!😜 As for your poems, my initial reaction was to say something nice about it, but I had to stop myself for reasons that should be obvious to you.

As for the others: it is time for you to come out of hiding, as Armageddon is on our doorstep. . . Let me see who is behind the pseudonyms, so when I’ll get to heaven, I could do you a favour and ask God to go easy on you. 😇
(No Bradly Cooper shots please)

exTor
exTor
October 22, 2018 1:00 pm
Reply to  Melanie Zuben

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Is that like TIT-for-TAT, EmZeD?
I guess this is some sort of payback?
When did I do anything to you, Melanie?

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MAGYARKOZÓ

exTor
exTor
October 22, 2018 7:00 am
Reply to  exTor

You’re a funny girl, EmZeD. (Fashioned after OmahaRisinG.) I’m still somewhat away from my eighth decade. That pic of me was taken during the front end of my sixth decade, I’m now at the back end of my seventh. Corporeally, I probably look a bit better since I pump iron regularly, however facially I do show my age. (I’m considering a facelift.) By the way, Melanie, to qualify a statement with “for a guy in his “eighth decade”!” is considered a backhanded compliment. So you mean that I’m not ‘hot’ irrespective of my age ??? http://towerpoetry.ca/poetryplus/Picks/pk1009-OmahaRisinG.html • NOCTURNE • As for my poetry, you can say whatever you feel is necessary, as long as it’s honest. No slagging for the sake of it. I ran a poetry workshop (in the basement of a Little Italy, Toronto library) for a decade. It never bothered me to be criticized. In fact, for me it was mandatory. I dont have much of an online presence, however you may like NOCTURNE, above. You may offer whatever comes to mind privately at my Gmail addy (username ‘magyarkozo’) or here or not at all. As for Bradley Cooper, I had no idea as to who he… Read more »

Observer
Observer
October 21, 2018 5:49 pm
Reply to  Andrew Singer

Andrew S
My bet is much more pessimistic, this is a feature of such regimes. Actually the trends became clear much earlier: the promotion of regime’s own cultural “elite”, the destructive conquest of the cultural field, the re-writing of school books, the history falsification, etc. Now the Kulturkampf has just been intensified.

Andy'babe'
October 21, 2018 10:55 pm
Reply to  Andrew Singer

Dear Andrew Singer, — you can hope all you wish but these kinds of changing changes come and go with the current winds. And it seems we heading right into a storm these days. And Ady would not be the sole new enemy. angry clouds are gathering not too far away…

Hope is but a futile dream for our future Hungary. Worth sticking with reality… Historical and past indicators… Its gonna happen again, sooner or later.

exTor
exTor
October 21, 2018 6:36 am

• MAGYARKODÓ -> MAGYARKODÁS •

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https://civilhetes.net/mi-kell-a-mi-magyarkodo-onazonossagunknak • MI KELL A MI MAGYARKODÓ ÖNAZONOSSÁGUNKNAK? •

This CIVILHETES [Független Közéleti Magazin] article ruminates on what essences Magyars. Andrea Vastag uses ‘nemzeti’ to mean ‘magyarkodó’, a cognate of ‘magyarkodás’: https://hu.glosbe.com/hu/en/magyarkodás, which means ‘Hungarian reasoning’, which can be interpreted as ‘appropriate Magyar behavior’ [rendes magyar viselkedés].

Here in Csepel, Ady Endre út leads to the Gubacsi híd, which crosses the Soroksári-Duna to Pesterzsébet [BP XX]. I dont see the name changing anytime soon, however one never knows. After all, Ady Endre no longer faces Magyar currency, as he did in 1975

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This is my second goround for this post. The first was a nogo.

MAGYARKOZÓ

exTor
exTor
October 21, 2018 11:44 am
Reply to  exTor

Okay Éva, I get your point. I hadn’t known about the pejorativity attached to ‘magyarkodás’. Andrea Thick would have used ‘magyarkodó’ had the term not been viewed with negativity. Maybe the reason that GLOSBE could only come up with an ‘automatic [approximate] translation’ was due to the word’s lack of English currency. Perhaps ‘overdone magyarizing’ might be one appropriate translation, where here ‘magyarize’ can ALSO mean ‘brag on oneself by attaching extra ethnic attention to oneself’.

MAGYARKOZÓ

nvtln
nvtln
October 21, 2018 1:51 pm
Reply to  exTor

‘magyarkodni’ is indeed negative. It describes a behaviour what people that consider themself ‘mélymagyars’ do:
To compare it to the USA (at least in my head) a magyarkodó is the kind of person that in the USA people would imagine as a southern redneck with a rifle bitching about blacks and carrying a confederate flag. Or in other words, people that like kuruc.info.
And indeed the verb refers to a person bragging about such behaviour.

Istvan
October 21, 2018 8:30 am

Overnight the discussion on the withdrawal of the USA on two blogs I am registered on composed largely of retired ordnance officers from the US armed forces and retired employees of private companies like Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, and others has evolved. First the discussions were largely over nuclear warheads and deployment, then it evolved to a discussion of launching systems. I would say that there was a consensus among the posters that the Mk 41 VLS launching system or a variant of it will be easily converted to a ground based hidden mobile system equipped with nuclear warheads. A British article was posted from 2015 https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2015/11/a-universal-missile-and-rocket-launcher/ explaining in a simple way how this might be done. Most likely they could be placed in containers on what would appear to be commercial trucks that would move around Central European countries willing to have them on their national territory. I personally have real concerns about security of such an approach. Because if extensive security teams were accompanying these hidden launchers it would clearly allow Russian agents to monitor them tagging GPS coordinates for Russian attacks. Moreover, given the GRU penetration of Central European military and security services if any coordination is done… Read more »

exTor
exTor
October 21, 2018 8:55 am
Reply to  Istvan

You seem very exercised over this issue, István, unsurprising given your military background. Did you expect Orbán to react this soon, given that (per your post) the American INFT withdrawal only occurred yesterday? Dont you think that this will be viewed by Russia as a bellicose act on the part of the Americans?

MAGYARKOZÓ

Istvan
October 21, 2018 10:01 am
Reply to  exTor

So I just read http://magyarhirlap.hu/cikk/131649/Washington_felmondja_a_kozepes_hatotavolsagu_nuklearis_erokrol_szolo_megallapodast which is pretty much a straight forward presentation of the withdrawal announcement by Trump from the INF treaty and there was no hint of a position coming from the Orban government. The Index article was again a straightforward report of Trump’s withdrawal announcement see https://index.hu/kulfold/2018/10/20/trump_felbontjuk_a_szerzodest_fegyvereket_fogunk_fejleszteni/ Actually I think the Russian media understands the implications of the INF withdrawal especially the Trump administration’s linking this to China. The Chinese have already denounced this, which is not surprising in the least. I honestly don’t think either the Hungarian government or the population sees the evolution of an arms race. It appears due to pressure within the USA Trump is evolving away from the crazy policy of trying to pacify Russia in order to concentrate on China. The Russians clearly see this happening now. I do think people in Hungary ex Tor who could be hit by Russian missiles within a few minutes should be deeply worried. At least here in the USA if the Russians launch an ICBM from northern area of Russia towards a target in the northern US, the time is 25 minutes. A launch from a southern site towards a target in the southern… Read more »

Istvan
October 21, 2018 10:14 am
Reply to  Istvan

This article on the authority to launch nuclear weapons in various nations is relevant https://www.ucsusa.org/sites/default/files/attach/2017/11/Launch-Authority.pdf Trump has the power to launch and the US Secretary of Defense can only slow it down until Trump removes and replaces him, which could happen in minutes.

October 21, 2018 10:56 am
Reply to  Istvan

In a way this is crazy – kind of backlash to the Cold War. No wonder many Europeans don’t think too much of and don’t like the USA:
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wrfree
wrfree
October 21, 2018 1:23 pm
Reply to  wolfi7777

Looks like just over 6 out of 10 Magyars love the US kicking a** all over the place.. But unfortunately it looks to be the wrong ones.

exTor
exTor
October 21, 2018 1:03 pm
Reply to  Istvan

Well István, you’re correct about one thing, your “alarm is driven by [your] own experience with the Cold War”. I’m not overly worried about Putin, NWS what happened in Crimea, which is (and is not) Russia’s Sudetenland.

Evidently Trump can unilaterally order a nuclear strike if he deems it fit. DJT may be as stupid as many contend, however I dont think that he’s that far out of it.

This is not September 1939. Russia will not be invading anywhere after Crimea, which is mostly Russian demographically, as is eastern Ukraine.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Parhuzamos kapcsolas
Parhuzamos kapcsolas
October 22, 2018 4:58 pm
Reply to  exTor

extor, Sorry but I disagree, you’re mixing up the Sudetenland with the Rhineland. Also with Westerplatte. Ideally, after a nation has a few generations to spread culture, the connection between it and new territories will be mostly a cultural one. This is why the Hungarian diaspora is mostly strong only in the vicinity of Hungary, and why Americans of Axis origin did not band into armies to forcefully secede entire states. The Crimea isn’t even a two centuries Russian possession, unlike Siberia, and for decades the ruling culture was a Soviet one, so neither side has reached the stage where they could view it as part of a mutually shared history. Many Russians fuel irredentism toward territories of the Russian Empire and if you take a quick glance you remember, quite a bit of them is an independent country now. Which is why Trump needed to become president as his narcissism needs fueling from people who otherwise wouldn’t get near the White House. If (and preferably not when) the EU and NATO can be weakened, these states either withdraw themselves or get thrown out at which point they can be “repossessed”. I’d like to remind you that Canaris might have… Read more »

Melanie Zuben
Melanie Zuben
October 21, 2018 6:31 pm
Reply to  Istvan

Istvan,
This is frightening! 😫

Ferenc
October 21, 2018 8:39 am

OT
An elderly woman was called a “black bastard” by a passenger who refused to sit next to her.
Solution of the Ryanair crew of the plane: they gave the racially abused woman another seat, the racist was allowed to keep his seat, (most of) the other passengers didn’t raise their voice against his.
Story at https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/daughter-of-ryanair-racist-abuse-victim-speaks-out-following-on-flight-attack_uk_5bcb4379e4b055bc94811e92
Video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exlcaG9mBmg

Please check above links and make up your mind, what should have been done and prepare yourself for what you should do in such cases.

Connection to Hungary?
Remember the Őcsény happenings in 2017 September, and OV’s reactions to journalists when asked about it…
In my opinion both the racist passenger and OV should have been removed from their seat!

Michael Casey
October 21, 2018 4:15 pm
Reply to  Ferenc

I am not in any way defending this “man” but am I alone here in thinking this guy is not the full shilling? Would go as far to say mad as a brush for me! Still his behaviour is disgusting much like Orban’ s who also strikes me as someone who has lost it babbling on about his (Anti)-christian / (Anti)-democratic regime!

wrfree
wrfree
October 21, 2018 9:54 am

This is timeless by Ady. And if only an elite can understand why individuals need to be engaged both within and without themselves in order to release their great potential as they try to embrace the world.

‘ I Should Love to be Loved’

I am neither infant nor happy grandfather
Nor parent, nor lover
Of anyone, of anyone.
I am, as every man is, Majesty,
The North Pole, the Secret, the Stranger,
The will-o’-the-wisp in the distance, the will-o’-the-wisp in the distance.
But alas! I cannot remain this way.
I should like to show myself to the world,
So that someone sees me, so that someone sees me.

This is why I sing and I torment myself.
I should love to be loved.
I wish to be of someone, I wish to be of someone.

Observer
Observer
October 21, 2018 6:05 pm
Reply to  wrfree

Sorry, IMO poetry cannot be translated, but only re-written in another language.

exTor
exTor
October 21, 2018 8:36 pm
Reply to  Observer

Most poetry sucks, Observer. That goes for any language. Banality can be translated. Higher levels of linguistics cannot. Good poetry can only be interpreted. A ‘reinterpretation’ is (in effect) a new poem.

MAGYARKOZÓ

Andrew Endrey
Andrew Endrey
October 22, 2018 9:19 am
Reply to  exTor

Well, Walter Benjamin described every translation as an act of creation as the translator creates something that has never existed before, for a completely different readership. Very little is written with the sole purpose of being translated into another language. Poetry can be translated quite effectively; I’ve read some (as far as I can tell) very good translations of Jozsef Attila’s verse, to the extent that they achieved ‘dynamic equivalence’, evoking in the reader of the target language the same emotional response that the Hungarian reader would have to the poem. A ‘reinterpretation’ of poetry suggests Ezra Pound’s ‘Cathay’ poems, so-called ‘translations’, which they were not in any sense, but his own ‘interpretations’ of the Chinese poetry as explained to him by a native speaker.

Ivan V
Ivan V
October 22, 2018 1:03 pm
Reply to  Andrew Endrey

Oh please!
Jozsef Attila and Pound ? Pound??!

Observer
Observer
October 22, 2018 9:14 am
Reply to  wrfree

ExTor 8.36
Agreed. But when it’s good it’s great! eg. Pushkin, Shakespeare, Ady, but my limit is four languages and unfortunately French is not one of them.

Eva 6.15
Sure, but it’s not Villon, it’s rather Faludy inspired by Villon. This is my conclusion after some comparative reading.

exTor
exTor
October 22, 2018 10:10 am
Reply to  Observer

I only speak two languages. My Hungarian is more than passable, however I would never trust it with poetry. I commend you for your four-language capability, however unless you can say that you can speak your three lesser languages with a facility that matches the greatest’s, then I say that your poetry-appreciation capacity is less than it could/should be.

I have often responded to “What is poetry?” in the negative: “It’s not prose.” All too often poetry IS prose (or, as I like to spell it: PROZE) with linebreaks. That’s why MOST POETRY SUCKS. (Cant help shouting.)

If you can read and understand Hungarian,
then check this out. I was impressed, Big O.
http://www.litera.hu/haddszoljon/echo-homo

MAGYARKOZÓ

tappanch
tappanch
October 21, 2018 1:35 pm

Not only did this article in Orban’s semi-official daily denigrate the poet Ady, but it also praised the arch-racist, arch-anti-Semite

1. Ottokár Prohászka, the leading Catholic journalist, later bishop (1905-1927).
2. Béla Bangha Jesuite monk.

#1 published anti-Jewish articles starting 1893. He was also an influential proponent of the anti-Semite “numerus clausus” law of 1920.

http://hdke.hu/files/csatolmanyok/12_GardonyiMate_Azantiszemitizmus_Funkcioja_ProhaszkaOttokar.pdf

#2 supported the Nazi-inspired anti-Jewish laws of the late 1930s

https://tti.btk.mta.hu/images/kiadvanyok/folyoiratok/tsz/tsz2017_3/Veszprmy.pdf

sunyilo12
sunyilo12
October 21, 2018 3:04 pm

This is an “amazing achievement” of the Orban government: they managed to combine the most loathsome attributes right-wing Christian conservative-fascist regimes with those of communist etatism under Rakosi and Kadar. If you are concerned this will lead to a horrible ending you are not alone.

Now you must wonder what are the cultural icons of this new direction represented by the likes of Andrea Vastag or Arpad Szakacs? While our “narodnik writers” of the 20th century who had often flirted with anti-semitism, could be set as examples of literary greatness (meaning Laszlo Nemeth, Gyula Illyes, and others) but there was nothing these writers hated more than Christian-fascist-conservative course under Horthy’s reign that had featured the likes of Prohaszka, Bango.

As somewhat OT, I would like to recommend a fascinating reading from Mary Gluck (https://uwpress.wisc.edu/books/5491.htm) that provides a unique insight on how Jewry had become an integral part – and driver, I may add – of urban development in the late 19th century. It is also available in Hungarian from bookline.hu.