It’s hard to tell how long Miklós Kásler, formerly director of the National Oncological Institute, will remain at the helm of the ministry of human resources, so it’s possible that we don’t really have to worry about a new institute to conduct research on the origins of Hungarians, which is his brainchild. His departure would actually be an academic blessing because a fair number of people, including myself, are concerned that under “the white gown one can find a charlatan” who is trying to convince the country that he is a man of incredible erudition on anything connected with the origin and early history of Hungarians, when in fact his pronouncements on the subject are largely fabrications.
Knowing Kásler’s attachment to his hobby of studying Hungarian prehistory, historians and archaeologists have been worried in the last few months that one day the new minister would come forth with some wacky idea, supported by millions from the government, that would take legitimate scholarly research to never-never land. And indeed, Kásler announced the establishment of an institute devoted solely to the study of the origin of the Hungarians. Unfortunately, linguists won’t be spared either because over the years Kásler seemed to be unable to grasp the difference between linguistic and genetic relatedness.
This new institute, according to Kásler, “will put an end to the hypothetical genetic and linguistic debate and reveal the truth based on science.” A very critical HVG article notes that Kásler has somehow missed the fact that this so-called hypothetical debate was closed more than 100 years go. Whatever debate remains takes place among interested amateurs with little actual knowledge of the subject. These debates nowadays are not taking place in bars, as HVG supposed, but on the internet. Comments following any article on the origins of Hungarians reveal incredible passions, divided mostly along political lines, and enormous ignorance, coupled with contempt for Hungary’s neighbors.
A good example of the kind of “debate” that is going on among people with no bona fide knowledge of the subject appeared after a short answer by an archaeologist to the claim of geneticists that the ancestors of the arriving Hungarians were the Huns and that the Avars spoke Hungarian. Step by step a well-known archaeologist explains the problems one encounters in genetic research taken out of context. Of the almost 400 comments the very first one accuses historians of lying about events taking place 1,500 years ago because, after all, in school he himself learned that it was “the evil Nazis” who killed the Polish officers at Katyn when it was the Russians. Or, another comment asks, “how much did the author received from the Academy’s Zionist cash register?” Another person is convinced that “genetics can show things that don’t even exist. For example, the Slavs, for whom there is no historical evidence.” One can go on and on. Of course, there are some intelligent comments as well, but they are drowned out by far-right comments of the ugliest sorts.
It is hard to justify the establishment of this institute because only six months ago the ministry set up a very similar research institute, the Gyula László Institute, whose creation was promoted and facilitated by Sándor Lezsák, the chief sponsor of Kurultaj, the tribal meeting of the Turanians. The newly appointed historian who is heading the institute announced that he will fight both pseudo-scientific dilettantism and the Academy’s “dogmatism,” which gives scholars plenty to worry about. Given Sándor Lezsák’s presence, serious archaeologists and historians fret that the new institute will be “the playground” of the deputy president of the Hungarian parliament with his off-beat ideas about Turanism.
It is no coincidence that Lezsák’s institute is named after Gyula László (1910-1998), a man of many talents. He made a name for himself as an archaeologist, historian, and artist who came up with a theory called “kettős honfoglalás,” or the double occupation of the Carpathian Basin by the Hungarian tribes. In addition to 896, the traditional date, László believed that Hungarians settled in today’s Hungary in the 670s. Most archaeologists and historians, both in Hungary and abroad, reject László’s theory, saying that it “might look as if Hungarians decided to play the game of who was here earlier.” György Györffy, the foremost historian of the period, categorically dismissed the hypothesis, saying that there is no source whatsoever that supports László’s claim.
Gyula László’s answer to all this was that since “the Academy accepted the Finno-Ugric linguistic ties, it banished everything that would contradict this thesis.” Therefore, the choice of the name for the institute pretty well points to its research direction. As someone who studied modern history, I’m certainly no expert on this period. But on the basis of my readings I not only doubt the double occupation theory of László, I find his entire work on the history of the period questionable. In any case, Gyula László today has become the personification of the kind of research historians with a right-wing agenda will pursue.
These newly-founded institutes will most likely battle with a research group established by the Hungarian Academy of Sciences, whose members come from many fields that are relevant to the period. It was apparently set up to combat all the unscientific nonsense that has spread ever since the early 1990s. In addition to research, the members also give public lectures on varied topics, most of which sound fascinating.
I’m afraid that the next few years will be spent on mostly useless if not harmful arguments between academicians and the followers of Gyula László and others whose scholarship is probably tainted by political biases.
I think there is a great national need to institutionalize Sándor Le Zsák and charge him with the task of resolving once and for all which name should come first, László or Gyula.
Eva Dear, I AM indebted to your persitent and sympathiqe analysis of the Hungarian Horror show taking place. It is needed and useful.
I do however dare to make a REQUEST, for you to consider.
For the sake of a coordinated and legitimate attack on the system we are referring to day-after-day. I would SO much appreciate a summary. Maybe every 60 or so days, summary in short of the facts that have had a substantial effect on social, econopmical and political life. In addition to a summary each time, of the political and related upheavals of the past eight years.
Things are becoming more and more tight at the noose and lateral movement is becoming more difficult in order to keep a balance on the starboard and the portside of the boat.
As an outsider looking in, you could and would have a good opportunity to make such summaries a useful element in your endeavor.
Thank you!
Andy
Andybabe
I’m not sure you realize the difficulty of the suggested task. While every database is indexed for subject, time, etc and can be searched so, an event may have
– variois impact/importance from 0 (a disguised propaganda exercise) to crucial, or
– a hidden agenda which transpires later, or
– impact on another area, a disguised or even unintended one,
– some events have little impact, but are indicative, etc.
Following a time line of economic, political, corruption, etc events, even if well indexed, doesn’t accurately account for the overlays and cross impacts.
The main value of this blog is it’s multifaceted reporting painting a round, 3D picture of the place.
Don’t know about anybody else. But really you have to work hard around here. Too many thoughts too little time. Too much going on. We should be so lucky with the ‘teaching’. Reason working amid the hurricanes. Koszonom.
Dear Observer. I am VERY aware of the tyrouble it is to periodically summarize. And I can imagine 1001 pretty good reasons why it is not easy to do so ! On the other hand the sources for critical thinking about the current sate of affairs, in a coninuing sense is almost non-existent. Occasional well intentioned summaries appear here and there: The Guardian, the NY Times, the Washingon Post, die Welt, Frankfurter Allgemeine Le Monde and a few other substantial publications. However nothing that is reliably regular. Keeping up with the ebb-and flow of the tragedy of Hungary as it transpires does happen here in Eva’s column, thank goodness and is intriaguing. Summarizing occasionally on a regular basis, however troublesome the endeavor, would bring a sense of periodic closure and a way to grasp the dangerous tendencies of the escalation inherent by such a political system such as the Fidesz endeavor. I am not denigrating the usefulness of daily descriptions of the various anomalies of a system. It’s like a daily cry into heaven for protection. But at this rate, without a summary of the tedencies eveolving, we are in effect just doing our bit in crying for help. In… Read more »
Andy
No doubt about your good intentions and the utility* of such summaries, just pointing out that it’s pretty onerous and that searching is possible right now.
* I don’t understand why the foreign writers on Hu don’t use the materials here more/better in order to avoid the mistakes, ommisions or understandings we often see in their work.
As far as I know the Hungarians originate from Africa like all other humans. The original emigrants from Africa spread all over the world and diversified. Now they are beginning to unify again, This is made possible or even inevitable by the easy transportation of our time.
Afaik, Hungarians are from Mars – at least some of them … 🙂
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Martians_(scientists)
As a mathematician I really would have liked to meet some of them …
At least I had the chance to read some of their books. 🙂
Coincidentally, the movie “The Martian” was also filmed in Hungary, or the earth scenes were.
Also Schwarzenegger just met O and Vajna – they’re filming or have filmed Terminator6 in Bp, Komarom and the Mercedes factory in Kecskemet …
Re: Magyars from Mars?
Take a look Star Trek tells it like is. Behold we see the vanguard of Tellarite extraterrestrial colonization. Arguably the group has been scattered like pebbles around Europe and the globe. Indeed they have dropped from the skies here at ….warped speed. 😎
‘The Tellarites …… Culturally, they are known for their love of arguing and blunt, forceful speech, what most other cultures would consider rude; if Tellarite speech is answered in kind, they will typically consider it an honor’… Wiki
wrfree,
so I take it you’re a TOS heathen :p I for one rather support the TNG episode where every Alpha Quadrant species have a common ancestor, though I do fault TNG for never exploring Iconian gateways further.
Speaking of wishful origins, I’m also reminded of the two Ferengi scientists who were revered as gods, and if you view NER as a system like Rules of Acquisition then yes, that was a very Matolcsyan planet.
👍👍👍
And perhaps we should think it not too bad in excavating ‘origins’ . So far there are no papers identifying Siofok as where Noah shoved off. But if some er drenched wood manages to come up floating around the Balaton well……after that maybe the ‘deluge’.😎
http://www.shradhahrd.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/men-are-from-mars-women-are-from-venus.jpg
Men [emberek, magyarok] are from Mars,
women from Venus, AKA Australia, ugye?
MAGYARKOZÓ
ExTor,
Agree. Mars is the planet of wars, Venus is the planet of 💕 love. All the troubles on our planet is the fault of the 👽 Martians.
• MAGYARKODÓ —> MAGYARTÁRD —> LÚZER •
I’m surprised at the paucity of responses to this article. When I hit the sack midnight (after 2 AM) there was only a smidgen of a post. Following that, we had a flood of five comments, a demonstration of how exercised the Hungarian Spectrum community can get.
With respect to the arrival of Magyars from (ultimately) Central Asia, current intelligence posits that Magyars (and other groups along for the ride) descended the Carpathian Mountains onto the Hungarian Plain near the end of the 800s. There was NO PRIOR ARRIVAL of Magyars in Central Europe.
Anyone with a modicum of YouTube experience is aware of the FLATTARD phenomenon, namely a body of ‘intellects’ who counterfactually proclaim that Earth is not a sphere –actually an oblate spheroid– but a flat plate on which humans comport themselves.
The term ‘tard’ has nicely insinuated itself into English, becoming a descriptor of those who are breathtakingly stupid. I believe that ‘tárd’ merits some prominence in the Magyar vernacular.
MAGYARTÁRD: someone who makes patently stupid (and demonstrably disprovable) remarks about Magyarország. Examples who come to mind are Viktor Orbán and Miklós Kásler, who claims that Avars were Magyars.
MAGYARKOZÓ
I have given up answering to these “Tard theories” – besides Creationism and Flat Earth you might name “Jesus was a Hungarian/German/insert your favourite group here” …
Besides what MZ and the other trolls are spouting here is enough “loonieness” for me.
It’s crazy that the new communication and information facilities on the web are not leading to people being better informed but to the distribution of more “constipation theories” – sad in a way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2cWSmP0nGw
Ten-second YouTube video taken from Lincoln, Ontario,
which is on the Niagara Peninsula west of St. Catharines.
http://www.sewerball.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Story14Image06.jpg
The above is the skyline (viewed from across Lake Ontario from a distance of at least 40 kilometers, from somewhere on the Niagara Peninsula) of Toronto, where I lived for the better part of six decades.
Because of Earth’s curvature, lowrise buildings cannot be seen from a great distance. The photo of most of the harborfront of Toronto was taken from somewhere on the Toronto Islands, likely Centre Island, at a distance of not more than 2 kilometers.
By the way, on clear days one can see the mist rising from Niagara Falls, a distance of more than 60 kilometers as the crow flies, if one is observing from the CN Tower.
MAGYARKOZÓ
Since we’re OT already:
I think it was last summer when I read about someone (Hungarian?) trying to prove that the Earth is flat by shining a laser beam from the Northern shore of Lake Balaton to the Southern shore …
Don’t know however what became out of the experiment. 🙂
Which way, the 12 km or the 39 988 km long one?
http://flatearthlunacy.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/874-fecore-bungled-12-km-lake-balaton-hungary-laser-test-2018-read-here-how-sloppy-and-inept-experimentalists-came-up-with-erroneous-and-incorrect-conclusions-we-highlight-the-errors-in-their-own-published-document
http://flatearthlunacy.com/images/2018-05-07_07-13-36.png
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEMG2bkXB2Y
• MAGYARKODÓ —> MAGYARTÁRD —> LÚZER •
I saw bits of that video [above]. The ‘test’ was performed by FECORE: https://fecore.org/about-us. It proved nothing, as can be expected, however the organizers claim otherwise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVa2UmgdTM4&t=394
Check this video snippet from a DISCOVERY CHANNEL episode. I’ve taken you to the insert point, so you dont have to view the entire [8:25] video. It shows that a helicopter, rising from a lake’s surface, ONLY COMES INTO VIEW at the 24-foot level. The observer is recording the helicopter’s ascent through a high-power telescope six-miles away. The only problem with the video is that a computer-generated voice is occasionally heard.
The Lake Balaton FLATTARDS could have saved themselves the trouble and the expense of their bullshit ‘experiment’ by viewing this video, which was uploaded August 2016, a full year and a half before the Balcsi idiocy. Read the article (about the Balaton BS business) linked at the top above the pic, Wolfi.
What can one say. The world moves forward in terms of accumulated knowledge, yet there is a segment of the population that willfully and actively is determined to regress. FLATTARDS are STOOPID.
MAGYARKOZÓ
Thank you for the proof that the earth is not flat, at least around Ontario. Please let that be the last word on the subject. It is uninteresting and triple-OT. That also goes for Martians.
Jean P, Is this response tantamount to a quad-OT? I’m all talked-out re this quirk of intellectual regressiveness. I figure that not too many on this side of the line are susceptible to flattarditis, probably due to heard immunity.
Did you not accuse me (a few years back) of ‘hijacking’ –your term– Hungarian Spectrum’s comment section by my delving (per your sayso) nonappropriate subjects, Jean P?
MAGYARKOZÓ
I suppose I did.
I think it’s rather obvious based on genetics and historical remains of Roman records that there existed kingdoms in what became the Roman provinces of Dacia and Pannonia. It is rather clear that the vast bulk of people living in the area were Slavic of one type or another. We now have pretty good genetic remains of the Magyar invaders and can see their traits. On those remains there are serous studies, one is B. Csányi, E. Bogácsi-Szabó, Gy. Tömöry, Á. Czibula, K. Priskin, A. Csősz, B. Mende, P. Langó, K. Csete, A. Zsolnai, E. K. Conant, C. S. Downes, and I. Raskó. “Y-Chromosome Analysis of Ancient Hungarian and Two Modern Hungarian-Speaking Populations from the Carpathian Basin.” Annals of Human Genetics 72:4 (July 2008): pages 519-534. In that study DNA was successfully sampled from the skeletons of 4 Hungarians who lived in the 10th century providing a base line. Yet another study by G. Tömöry, B. Csányi, E. Bogácsi-Szabó, T. Kalmár, A. Czibula, A. Csosz, K. Priskin, B. Mende, P. Langó, C. S. Downes, and I. Raskó. “Comparison of maternal lineage and biogeographic analyses of ancient and modern Hungarian populations.” American Journal of Physical Anthropology 134:3 (November 2007): pages 354-368.… Read more »
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Interesiting post, István, however it is too detailed in parts. You would have been better served by summarizing the enormous midpost [3rd paragraph] quote. My eyes glazed over looking at it.
Minor point, there were no Slav tribes in the Balkans before the middle of the first millennium. By then, the Western Roman Empire had been expired for more than a century. (The Eastern Roman Empire [Byzantium] continued to exist for another millennium.)
The Avars, of uncertain provenance, most likely Turkic and not Magyar, lived in the Carpathian Basin. Following their arrival, the Magyars mixed with earlier tribes, which included Slavic, Germanic and Turkic peoples.
The previously exposed MAGYARTÁRD Miklós Kásler is dead-stupid and dead-wrong re his contention that Avars were Magyars. He is wrong about many other things, including the nonFinnoUgric characterization of Hungarian.
MAGYARKOZÓ
I think that there is pretty good evidence that the first Neolithic inhabitants of Europe are described archeologically as belonging to the Aegean Early Neolithic cultures, from which the bearers of both the Starčevo-Criş-Körös complex in Serbia, Romania and Hungary and the Linear Pottery culture in Central Europe emerged. No statistical significant differences were found between mtDNA frequency distribution of these two cultures which is in line with the archaeological evidence of a common origin. So we are all effectively from those common ancestors. One way to put it is we are all Slavs as I did, possibly a better more precise way may be is that we appear to have all come from the same Neolithic roots. One very interesting technical analysis of this can be seen in the 2015 paper titled “Ancient DNA from South-East Europe Reveals Different Events during Early and Middle Neolithic Influencing the European Genetic Heritage.” A study funded by the Spanish Ministry of Science and Innovation, Netherlands Organization for Scientific Research, and the Romanian National Authority for Scientific Research. The problem with the Hungarian discussion of our roots is it does not go too far back in time, of course as one poster has… Read more »
ExTor
Minor note:
From what I know Slavic tribes inhabited the lands between the Danube and and the Balkan mountains in the 7th cen, and it was not a new thing then. Bearing in mind Slavs lived on the territories of today’s Belarus and Poland for 1000+ years BC, it’s hard to imagine some tribes didn’t move south.
I made the point [paragraph 2] in my above post, that Slavs did not exist in lower [Balkan] Europe prior to the second half of the first millennium. As you pointed out and as the graphic details, Slavs emerged from an area roughly corresponding to today’s Belarus, wrongly ideed here as Russia.
MAGYARKOZÓ
This thread is getting too complex, István. What does ‘indigenous peoples’ in Europe have to do with anything? I understand the concept of IPs in the Americas or Australia, but in Europe? Who are the indigenous?
Contemporary theory posits that modern humans arrived in Europe about 40-thousand years ago [40 Kya]. They intersected (sexually and otherwise) Neanderthals already in Europe.
Neolithic migrations occurred many fives of thousands of years after the first humans, the true indigenous peoples of Europe, however that fact is not pertinent to the centrality of this article, namely the origin of Magyars and the attempt by Fidesz honcho Miklós Kásler to subvert modern science by claiming that Avars were Magyars, which means (according to MK’s bunkism) that Magyars arrived in the Carpathian Basin, not once, but twice.
MAGYARKOZÓ
OT – “public” media
Index made a video summary of the 2018.Oct.12 M1 news. It’s in Hungarian but for for non-Hungarian speakers the essence of the “information”, propagated by one-part-state-“public”-media, isn’t difficult to get.
Watch it at https://index.hu/video/2018/10/13/hirado_mtva_migacio_migrans_soros_gyorgy_brusszel/
And now that we are at videos from index, today is Oct.23, so the best time to watch (again) “A Nagy Nap” (15min, made out of authentic 1956.Oct.23 films).
Watch this impressive document at https://index.hu/video/2012/10/22/15_perc_a_nagy_napbol/
note: unfortunately still no subtitles available, nor subtitled version found…
Thanks for this link, Ferenc. The video brings back many memories, some exhilarating, some very sad. I was there among that huge crowd, marching across Margaret Bridge to Bem square and then back to the Parliament, then later that night to the Hungarian Radio building, after which I finally got home, where my parents and sister were literally going out of their minds with worry. I was fourteen and a half at the time, in first year high school, and I was on my way home after school, when the tram I was on got stopped by the huge flow of demonstrators from ELTE University. The students were mainly in their twenties and thirties and there weren’t many teenagers like me in the crowd. I was a naive and touchingly patriotic Hungarian boy at the time, until I got smartly disabused of my patriotic delusions by a crowd of louts (“pesti srácok”) a few days later, who thought that the good old days of 1944 were coming back again, when Jews were fair game in Budapest and Jew hunting and killing a favourite sport. That is when I decided to leave for greener pastures, which I did on 10 November… Read more »
Off topic. This CNN report https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/23/politics/russia-us-bolton-intl/index.html from Moscow about one and a half hours ago makes it clear that John Bolton told the Russians that that the USA has withdrawn from the INF agreement. He stated “Technology has changed, your strategic reality has changed, and we both have to deal with it.” So clearly the tweet from Trump over the weekend was not a bargaining chip for further discussions modifying the INF, but apparently as we say in Chicago it was a done deal.
We are now off the races and the greatest beneficiaries will be high tech arms firms in the USA and Russia’s defense industry employs 2.5 – 3 million people and accounts for 20% of all manufacturing jobs in Russia. We may move closer to Armageddon, but in the mean time more people will have high paying jobs in both Russia and the USA.
@István, 10:44 am
“the greatest beneficiaries will be high tech arms firms”.
Ah yes, that will be on top of the $110,000,000,000 that the same “high tech arms firms” are going to get from the blood soaked hands of our Saudi allies.
I hope no one is suggesting that Trump and Bolton are still sane?
@bimbi, 11:23
and by the way, who cares a rat’s ass as to where the Magyars came from? They should better be worrying where they are going to – and that is, as the Americans would say – “to Hell in a Hand-basket”, to the drum-beat of Bannon’s hordes on the Right (“Szent Jobb”).
I do not believe they are sane, clearly neither is Putin after his comment about the Russians going to heaven after a nuclear war started by the USA apparently that he made on Thursday at the annual Valdai Discussion Club conference in Sochi, Russia. There is a scary theory in military circles called the limited nuclear war see https://taskandpurpose.com/small-nuclear-war/ I find it to encapsulate insanity in particular since for so many years I was involved with the military industrial complex.
We are all traveling down a very dangerous road.
Needless to say, today’s attempted bombing of George Soros is a direct outcome of the sociopathic hate-mongering of Orban’s Hungary and the Faustian partnership of Trump and the Republican Party. As Hungarizers tout their faux historical origins, they are busy consolidating their fetid historical legacy.
You left out the brits!
Not too much OT re the Avars: My German brother in law is a real history buff so everytime they visit us we go to as many museums as possible. 🙂 Over the years we’ve been to several where the Avars were mentioned and described – and nowhere was there any hint or conjecture that they were in any way related to the later invaders aka the Magyar! Some cities really try hard to show the whole history (or even pre-history) from the stone age to the Romans and the following times. Dunaujváros is a good example and there are several others in Zala county e g, often very small (probably limited by the available money) – the little house in Gynesdias comes to mind. It’s totally unremarkable from the outside but has some nice stuff – and there is a big Avar cemetery nearby (several hundred or even a thousand graves!) – not yet analysed because there’s no money … But anyway, it’s been written here – who really cares? We’re all from Africa and to know your ancestors is nice – that’s it. Like Istvan’s children who can be proud of having inherited from several countries. In Germany… Read more »
Okay, there’s something to ponder that was not mentioned here and that’s why pseudohistory has bigger legitimacy in Hungary compared to other parts of the world. Well, this is because the official history itself likes to weave a narrative that’s highly constructed and centered around the victim narrative. Historical teaching in all of the Carpathian Basin (as in, yet again, this concerns all neighboring nations, not just Hungary) collects material to be taught as one of permanent external forces keeping down a budding nation, and little to almost never analyzes critically the systemic ignorance and other failures that led to the outcome. There’s nothing worth defending in the Scythian-Sumerian nonsense, but they do make one point, which apart from them still rings true: Hungary’s fledgling elite could never support two opposing groups without overlap. In many other places, Habsburg loyalists would not have turned coat to serve the Soviets, but it did indeed happen in Hungary which fuels the conspiracy theory that Hungary’s linguistic heritage is a remnant of a former conspiracy. As I said, the far right pseudo approach is indefensible, for one because it deposits the conspiracy as Jewish in origin aka it only makes sense in the… Read more »
Okay, I roughly know about the time when at least a part of my ancestors arrived in Hungary. As it happened just a couple of centuries ago it is relative easy, there are documents from these days. But to be honest it is nothing else but nice to know, it doesn‘t add anything to me as a person. This is limited to the generations I personally met, those people had influence onto me.
I completely understand the academic need to research history. Nothing wrong to do so as long as we are talking about getting more knowledge than we already have. But this must not be a research for the aim to be “better than the others”. But why would it be better to be descendants of Sumerians? Or Scythians? Is it that terrible having common ancestors with Finns?
This whole Turanist shtik in Hungary is evidence of chronic idiocy on the part of its practitioners, combined with a festering inferiority complex and an itch to be in the limelight. When there is nothing really to be proud of, but a lot to be ashamed of, some people have a tendency to invent myths of past glory, then proceed to believe the BS they create, and if they have a knack for selling their snake oil, they will gather plenty of followers too, who crave to believe in anything to fill the emptiness of their lives, including any amount of patently contrived mythical bulldust and conspiracy theories. That is essentially what cults are made of, and Turanism, Kurultáj, Shamanism, Sumerism, Mary having been a Hungarian princess and Jesus a Hungarian prince, Flat Earth, the Heart Chakra of Mother Earth, and Hungarian being a Turkic language, and so on, are mindless cults festering among Hungarians who appear to be hungry for this sort of nonsense, which is really no different from the dozens and hundreds of other mindless cults festering all over the world and especially in the United States. The big difference in Hungary is that for reasons of… Read more »
Farkas
You nailed it! Kudos!
Silly or complexed wannabes playing with their ding..s trying to make them look big.