It looks as if the Hungarian government’s version of Ursula von der Leyen’s nomination is still being written in Budapest. On Sunday, Antal Rogán, head of the cabinet office of the prime minister, gave an interview on Kossuth Rádió in which he claimed that “there cannot be a leader of the European Commission who doesn’t have the support of the Central European counties.” This is a new development, he boasted. In the last 10-15 years the West European member states could force their will on the new member states, but this time “Central Europe spoke.” The result was the nomination of Ursula von der Leyen to be president of the European Commission. To demonstrate Viktor Orbán’s critical role in this process, Rogán shared an alleged detail about the negotiations. “Frau Ursula von der Leyen could be chosen only after Viktor Orbán had spoken with the candidate and asked her whether as commission president she would show due respect toward Hungary and the other Central European countries.” According to Rogán, Orbán received that promise from von der Leyen.
Viktor Orbán revealed more alleged details this morning in his regular fortnightly interview. He said that the Visegrád 4 countries arrived at the European Council meeting two weeks ago with two lists. One list was short; they rejected both Spitzenkandidaten, Manfred Weber and Frans Timmermans. Apparently, the other list of recommended candidates was longer because von der Leyen was third on the list. If one can believe multiple media sources, the first name on the Visegrád 4 list of recommended politicians was Kristalina Georgieva, the former EU Budget Commissioner from Bulgaria who resigned in 2017 to become chief executive of the World Bank. According to unnamed sources, EPP rejected Georgieva because she was “the candidate of Orbán.” But there were other problems with her as a candidate. Euractiv revealed in January 2017 that Christopher Steele, the former member of Britain’s MI6 who is the author of the famous dossier of alleged links between Donald Trump and Russia, had also investigated Georgieva.
My guess for the second name on that list is the Slovak Maroš Šefčovič, whose name had been bandied about earlier. In late May word got out from Czech Prime Minister Andrej Babiš’s office that Visegrád 4’s choice for the job was the Slovak socialist, who earlier had tried to be the socialist Spitzenkandidat but lost out to Frans Timmermans. As for von der Leyen’s presence on that list, I have my serious doubts. By all accounts, her nomination was the brainchild of Angela Merkel and Emmanuel Macron. The Visegrád 4’s list most likely consisted of only two names, and, as we know, V4 didn’t manage to convince the rest of the members to seriously consider either of them for any of the top jobs.
But let’s get back to the story of the three-day, hard negotiations that produced the known results. How did Viktor Orbán describe them? After the Visegrád 4 prime ministers succeeded in getting both Weber and Timmermans dumped, “we took out our positive list, and the West Europeans and the Central Europeans made a deal.” He also claims that there were times when “we could count on the Croats and the Romanians.” We don’t know much about the role that Romanian president Klaus Iohannis played, but I doubt he was a strong supporter. However, Andrej Plenković, prime minister of Croatia, may have helped the Visegrád 4 for the sake of his own personal ambition for a high-level job, maybe even the presidency of the commission.
At this point the interviewer returned to the nomination of von der Leyen and Orbán’s role in it. “How did you manage to persuade President Macron to abandon his Osaka agreement and not support Timmermans?” she asked. Orbán refused to answer the question, saying “this should remain my secret.” I suspect that Orbán’s reason for “secrecy” is that the conversation between Macron and Orbán about replacing Timmermans with the V4’s alleged third choice, von der Leyen, never took place.
Orbán was equally reticent when it came to Antal Rogán’s claim about Orbán’s telephone conversation with von der Leyen, without which von der Leyen allegedly couldn’t have been a candidate for the job of commission president. He simply refused to answer the question and instead kept repeating that her candidacy “gives us a chance.”

Ursula von der Leyen on the move / Photo: European Parliament
That is, if Ursula von der Leyen receives the necessary 374 votes, which at the moment is questionable. As far as Viktor Orbán is concerned, her election should be predetermined because all the prime ministers endorsed her candidacy. The task is simple. Members of the European Parliament are representatives of parties that function in the countries whose prime ministers agreed to support the German minister of defense. It is now the prime ministers’ duty to enforce the desirable outcome in the European Parliament. Orbán’s view of this matter reflects his firm conviction about the primacy of the European Council. Even decisions made in the European Parliament in some way depend on the political actions of the leaders of the member states.
But here’s the rub. As Politico pointed out today, “not all leaders on the European Council seemed incline to whip MEPs on von der Leyen’s behalf.” Even if all 186 EPP members voted for her and the 86 socialists who come from countries with socialist prime ministers could be persuaded to support her, she would still fall short of the magic number. The vote will take place on Tuesday unless von der Leyen asks for an extension. If the vote takes place and she fails to receive the necessary number of votes, the European Council has 30 days to propose a new nominee. In that case, Orbán and his Visegrád 4 friends can start preparing another list.
“It is now the prime ministers’ duty to enforce the desirable outcome in the European Parliament. Orbán’s view of this matter reflects his firm conviction about the primacy of the European Council.”
It also shows how Orbán disrespects the role of any parliament. For him the single duty of a parliament is just to approve the decisions of the PMs.
“Manfred Weber wanted to become the next EU Commission President, but he was not enforceable. The setback left its mark on the CSU politician.”
https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/heute/umgang-im-eu-postenpoker-weber–noch-immer-tief-enttaeuscht-100.html
Another proof that Weber is not eligible for the post of EU Commission President. Maybe Orbán can give him a good address for psychiatric incidents.
Don, he might have an address, but I’m afraid this can’t be good at all….
Oh yes István you’re right, at Orban it did not help either.
“The election of Ursula von der Leyen as EU Commission President next Tuesday is likely to be a shiver. For the Minister of Defense at least 347 of the total of 747 MPs would have to vote. The Greens and the Left have already canceled, the SPD believes that the Leyen is ineligible, social democrats from other countries are skeptical. The liberals signaled that they wanted to keep the decision open. “Whether the Liberals will vote for them seems open to me at the present time,” said FDP leader Christian Lindner the newspapers of the Funke media group. Thus voices of sharp EU critics from countries like Hungary are becoming more and more important for von der Leyen.” …
The Secretary General of the Social Democratic Party in Europe (PES), Achim Post says: “Von der Leyen should state unequivocally that she did not want to be elected with the votes of right and right-wing nationalists from Hungary, Poland or Italy.”
https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/ausland/eu/id_86089622/wahl-zur-eu-komissionschefin-rechte-eu-kritiker-koennten-fuer-von-der-leyen-entscheidend-werden.html
Actually, one should reject Ursula von der Leyen because Orban wants her.
“Actually, one should reject Ursula von der Leyen because Orban wants her.”
Well, in this case Orbán will be able to determine the commission, because Orbán just needs to support those he doesn’t want and to be silent about those he really wants. Von der Leyen will be a bigger threat for Orbán than Weber ever would have been. With Timmermans as vice commissioner for rule of law e.g. and the ongoing Art. 7 procedure Orbán won’t face these great times of the extreme right he told us about before the elections, but problems over problems because of his anti-democratic policies.
Anyway, the entire process of nominating must be changed. How it is going on now is just ridiculous. The council should suggest electing one candidate of the parties, not a candidate of Macron or Merkel or perhaps even Orbán – although I have also my doubts about von der Leyen being suggested by our little dictator.
It would not be wise to seek out the EU Commission President like this. That’s why I wrote should.
But István if you write “From the Leyen wants to be a bigger threat for Orbán than Weber ever would have been.” Then we move in the realm of faith. That’s why I use Leyen’s story and her mother’s culture.
Family minister with seven children OK she has experience.
Minister of Defense as mother is OK, the sons and daughters should come home alive.
But a bunch of billions of euros error because of “failing” advisers is not OK. Not even as EU Commission President because then the billions could flow away fffff to Hungary even only a “consulting error”. Let’s leave it open, spätr kenned mr emer no rumgosche, we will see.
Well, Don, to agree ont the lowest common denominator doesn’t mean the best choice. I oppose her because of both her record and how she became candidte. Anyway, to be born in a family of a high level European official in Brussels may give the same “experience” as being a mother of 7. At least for her Europe is a very important piece of life since childhood. That she is for a further integration towards the United States of Europe makes her probably even interesting for Macron as her being fluently in French. Et voilà: here we have the first threatening idea for our dictator.
Orban knows only streetfighting and his flair is that of a breeding bull. Even if he learn French, his talk would be huncia.
Von Boris K. Creeping rehabilitation of Viktor Orbán
… https://www.welt.de/print/die_welt/politik/article196794003/Schleichende-Rehabilitierung-Viktor-Orbans.html
The essence; the three wise men have excluded all pending proceedings so there is not much left to criticize Orbán-Hungary. They start cuddling again, the EPP and Orbán.
Even being already benumbed by the constant feed of Orbàn/Fid BS, this series is outstanding:
Orbàn supported Weber, and then didn’t, and supported him again and then … what?
He put together a list of his candidates: Daffy Duck, Porky Pig, Elmo Fudd and Ursula (not the bear).
Orbàn called Ursula, she “showed respect” ie. kissed his hand, so he called Macron and gave him an advice Macron couldn’t refuse (nobody can do anything without the V4, which is of course directed by our Orbàn, you know).
It’s perfect material for a hilarious gig, but for us here it’s FELCSUTIA writ large, a place being furnished for idiots.
Re: ‘They start cuddling again, the EPP and Orban’.
Tactical Magyar ‘buying’ and ‘selling’ within the EU from the land of Felcsutia
‘I have heard of a man who had a mind to sell his house and therefore carried a brick in his pocket …. which he showed as a pattern to encourage other purchasers’. ‘Swifty’..1724
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Interesting times ahead …
I’m still wondering what the effects will be if Ursula vdL is elected with the votes of the populist/right wing/fascist countries in the East – please don’t call the V4 Central Europe, for everybody they are a part of the Balkan in the way they behave.
If the Social Democrats like the Greens vote against her that might have repercussions not only in Germany.
On the other hand I can’t really believe that she has changed her mind on topics like gay marriage, equal rights for women etc which she supported in German parliament.
And if she gets Timmermans as vice president …
Off topic. How bad is Hungarian journalism? Really pretty bad even at Index when it comes to reporting on the USA. I just read a story with this title “Trump megerősítette: vasárnap megkezdik a tömeges kitoloncolást” (Trump affirmed that Sunday would begin mass expulsion). In a county as large as the USA when we start using the phrase mass expulsion comparatively Hungarians reading this have to be thinking about the removal of Hungarian Jews or the explosion of Germans post WWII, things on that scale. In fact the Index article (https://index.hu/kulfold/2019/07/12/trump_megerositette_vasarnap_10_varosban_megkezdik_a_kitoloncolast/) actually raised that sort of specter by stating: “In the United States, it is estimated that there are currently about 12 million illegal immigrants.” The article notes in passing also “that about two thousand illegal immigrants were resettled in the country, whose expulsion had already been ordered, but had not left the country despite a court order.” This is totally confused and distorted. CNN in a article today discusses the 2,000 figure stating: “In February (2019), ICE sent around 2,000 letters to families who already had received final orders of removal by judges in absentia, asking them to self-report to local ICE offices by March to comply with the… Read more »
Re: ‘mass expulsion’… ‘enemy of the people’….’raids’…..banning tweets… The incendiary verbiage coming from a President of the United States shows US democracy on a tenuous threshold from leadership such as this. We see an autocrat in-training. Ironic for the US to provide such a model who for his emulators cannot believe how lucky they are to have a leader doing such hard work in making life a little bit easier for them. Welcome to a world turned upside down. A US president giving succor to autocratic personalities and their thinking. And ‘Hungarian journalism’….It lost its battle immediately by letting others get control and not seeing the danger. And its loss gave the initiative to opportunistic opponents of the ‘liberal’ attitude. At this point Orban country can be conceived as a study lab in uncovering why democracies erode especially when the occupation of journalism falls into groups of self-interest and when governments ‘own’ it to promulgate their own clannish ideologies directed by the few. In that case it is difficult if not impossible for opposing views to get the light of day. Under these circumstances democracies cannot exist in journalistic prisons. In hindsight it has to be said the Magyar press… Read more »
Imho part of the blame or better reason for this lies in the “Socialist past” of Eastern Europe. We see it clearly in East Germany where many more people tend to the extreme right now. I don’t have much personal experience there – my business trips took me to the big cities only which I really liked btw. I have fond memories of Leipzig, Erfurt and of course East Berlin – of course I didn’t go there before 1989! And the only dear friend from the GDR I have is rather untypical: He had so many problems with the Stasi etc that he applied with his family to get to West Germany (our government paid for it …) – and managed it in Summer of 1989! He would have been much better off financially if he had waited until the end of the GDR since later money was exchanged 1:1 while he lost, his GDR Marks were worth nothing in the West … And the stories he told me about the horrors of living there, not only economically! PS: He also told me about his Stasi file (though he was just an average Joe) – several hundred pages long, with… Read more »
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Great comment:
“autocrat in training… give succor to autocratic…” wannabes … a study lab …”
However, the Magyar press “gave itself too easily” because they are Magyars. It’s not the dishonest businessmen, or the biased constitutional judges, the corrupt politicians, or the sycophant servants in the public service; it’s the majority of the Magyar voter who have all these deplorable traits in various combinations and supports/accepts the deplorable developments in this country. After all, no dictator can stay in power against the will of ALL his subjects, remember that around 72% voted for Fid and Jobbik in the 2010s.
Re: mass expulsion. It might be a different language use in the US and in Europe. Mass expulsion is pretty often used, already when German authorities chartered a plane for one half full flight a few weeks ago the term was used within different countries. Media outside of Hungary regularly report about the opposition against Trump, within Hungary it is limited to a very few, among them index once in a while. So the demonstrations in Chicago are new for me, but not surprising, so are American catholics being closer to the views of the pope than official Hungarian catholic church either.
Not too much OT:
More Hungarians than ever say they are happy with the EU and their voices count. Stats for these questions:
http://www.portfolio.hu/en/economy/citizens-support-for-eu-remains-at-its-highest-level-since-1983.40035.html
Who are the Fidesz voters then?
take care!
the first/main question wasn’t if one was happy with the EU, but if one’s country benefitted from being an EU member!
OV&Co’s benefit is clearly the EU funds they raked in and put at safe places…
But if they believed that they themselves don’t benefit from the EU they’d have to protest – if they were thinking normal …
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The Fid voters don’t have a problem saying that they are happy with the EU (receiving their development grants, traveling/working freely, receiving benefits and scholarships, etc) and hate the EU because it’s against their Victor and is plotting against the Magyar, again! No such qualms for them, they are superior to all, the tòts (Slovaks) the Romanians (gypsies) of course, to all the Slavs and even to the labanc (Austrian), the hated French and to the “stupid Americans”, the liberal Dutch and Scandinavians, and Brussels and Merkel. They don’t hate the Swiss , yet.
Renew [former ALDE] wrote a letter to UvdL, main issues:
1.commitment for Rule of Law mechanism (sanctions needed and EU values non-negotiable!)
2.better system (validation vote?) to decide on EC president (and vices)
3.no difference between Renew and S&D vice presidents
Furthermore, but of seemingly less importance, Renew mentions: ambitious agenda for emission targets (to limit climate change); genuine EU digital economy (now clearly lagging behind others); politically solid, experienced and competent Commissioners; more transparency in everything
My opinion:
1 and 2 – OK
3 in conflict with 2 [inconsequent and an undemocratic demand! result of EP election is clearly: 1.EPP (182 of which ca.30 fakes) / 2.S&D (153 of which ca.13 fakes) / 3.Renew (108 of which ca.6 fakes); furthermore RENEW has already president of the EU Council!]
-other items OK
full letter at https://reneweuropegroup.app.box.com/s/r9ywhmty5a1tu35a228astgd90u1vfto
PS1: overall imho Macron is “over-asking his hands”; first for his party to join the liberal ALDE group it needed to change its name to Renew; second Macron/Renew got more positions than would be fair considering result of EP elections; third now Macron/Renew demanding even more in the Commission
PS2: Macron handled the internal issue of the “yellow vests” pretty well [note that I consider the “yellow vest” mostly a (hidden) campaign element of Le Pen’s RN; after the EP election it more or less fizzled out]
From other EP groups I haven’t seen any such official letters or messages, but rumors are as follows:
*S&D: seems to be circulating internal paper against UvdL, opinions are split (Spain, biggest in group, are positive; others are mostly negative) – UvdL could win more support by giving S&D main candidate a more, almost most, important position in Commission (so almost equal to herself)
Greens: overall negative, too weak climate plans
ECR (Polish PiS&Co): seems overall positive, because UvdL made promises (concessions) towards PiS about Rule of Law and funding for change to clean energy
[note: above promises to ECR/PiS are mainly in conflict with S&D/Renew/Greens demands]
Currently UvdL seems ca.35 votes short of a majority, Tuesday morning will be a debate between her and the full parliament and at 18hr will be the voting.