Now that a few days have gone by since Viktor Orbán’s intemperate remarks about compensation for Roma youngsters who received an inferior education in the Gyöngyöspata elementary school and the redress of grievances of prison inmates incarcerated in inhumane conditions, we can take a more critical look at these unexpected outbursts from the prime minister.
First of all, it is important to realize that Orbán practically never loses his self-control. His statements are almost always carefully measured. Observers may therefore wonder why, in the course of an “international press conference” attended by a fair number of foreign correspondents, the prime minister felt compelled to express his disgust over the legal decisions to compensate the Gypsies and prisoners. It seemed out of place. Moreover, considering all the trouble Fidesz is having in Brussels, his attack on lawyers looked outright foolish to me. But Viktor Orbán is no fool. So, was his outburst calculated? Was it meant to serve some strategic or tactical purpose?
During the last ten years, there were at least two occasions when observers were certain that the Orbán government’s days were numbered. The first time, in response, Orbán and his communication experts came up with a plan to lower utility costs, which saved them from likely defeat. The second crisis occurred at the end of 2014 and the beginning of 2015, when support for Fidesz fell 12 percentage points in one month. But then, on January 11, 2015, Orbán declared “war against economic migrants.” And the rest is history.
The Hungarian independent media is certain that Viktor Orbán’s sudden interest in the compensation of Roma children and prison inmates is linked to Fidesz’s fragile political standing and that the government’s communication team has zeroed in on subjects that resonate with a large majority of the Hungarian public. Prejudice against the Roma, quite independently of party affiliation, is high in Hungary, and Orbán’s reference to their receiving financial benefits without corresponding work feeds that widespread prejudice. The approximately 12,000 Hungarians who are currently incarcerated can’t expect much sympathy either; the general view is they got what they deserved. Finally, attacking the greedy lawyers who grab undeserved money for criminals is also a politically popular tactic. All in all, these are winning themes if your goal is to rally support for the government that saves you from no-good Gypsies who don’t want to work, criminals who complain about the state of the prisons, and greedy lawyers who steal money out of the pockets of the taxpayers.
How are these messages being conveyed to the public? Századvég, the government’s favorite pollster, found that “three-quarters of Hungarians reject ‘the jail business.’” Magyar Nemzet also explained that NGOs, financed by George Soros, are behind this compensation. But Hír TV came up with an even more effective, interactive scheme. Viewers could vote, during commercial breaks, on the question of compensation in Gyöngyöspata. The following message appeared on the screen: “Whom do you agree with? With Viktor Orbán, who maintains that it is unfair to pay millions for no work performed, or with the Soros organ, according to which 100 million forints must be paid to the Roma of Gyöngyöspata because of segregation? If you agree with Viktor Orbán, send an O in SMS and an S if you share the opinion of the Soros organ.” Big surprise, 97% of the callers agreed with Viktor Orbán.
The lawyers naturally were up in arms over Orbán’s attack on them. János Bánáti, president of the Hungarian Bar Association, issued a statement saying that “the board of the Hungarian Bar Association is concerned about the coordinated attempt at creating ill feelings between the courts and the legal profession. All of this undermines the prestige of the judiciary and may prompt citizens to refuse to enforce final judicial decisions. Such an attack on our profession ignores the fact that it is the lawyer’s duty to provide legal representation based on the overriding interests of his clients, on occasion even against the state.”
György Magyar, a politically active lawyer whose name was specifically mentioned in the government media as one of the money grubbers, told Index that “it seems that Soros and the migrants have not been enough; the government also needs the gypsies, the lawyers, and the prisoners to create a new enemy” in order to divert attention from the wrongdoings of the Orbán regime. Magyar, in an earlier letter to Index, wrote that “the prime minister’s statements on judicial proceedings are, in my view, capable of undermining the credibility of the rule of law in Hungary and will have an effect on the continuing international proceedings against Hungary since they suggest the possibility of the executive branch intervening in the judicial system.”
So, was Orbán careless or calculating? It seems that the rant over the compensation of prisoners was purely for propaganda purposes. The published communiqué that can be found on the government internet site announced the “suspension of the disbursements compensations to released inmates.” This indeed sounded like direct interference with the judiciary by the executive. However, upon closer observation, it turns out that, despite his strong condemnation of the practice, Viktor Orbán merely instructed the ministry of justice to pay the compensation “at the very last legally possible date.” According to Dániel Karsai, who has won several such court cases, “there is nothing new in this communiqué because the practice has been that the ministry releases the compensation only at the very end.” Thus, “we can definitely state that [the government] didn’t suspend the payments.”
In brief, the whole attack was orchestrated in the hope of turning around the declining fortunes of Fidesz. Naturally, anyone with a sense of decency must find such a practice despicable. Orbán is fomenting hatred against a minority that needs help and protection. As for the attack on the legal profession, Orbán didn’t have the guts to interfere with the courts because he knew that direct intervention would have dire consequences in the European Union, and therefore he devised an interim solution: rile up the domestic population while leaving the current system of compensation for released prisoners untouched. We don’t know what will happen to the Gypsies of Gyöngyöspata. I have the feeling that they will have a harder time with the prime minister, for whom they apparently voted in 2018. Perhaps this assault against the Roma community will open the eyes of the hundreds of thousands of Gypsies who regularly cast their votes for Fidesz, often for a sack of potatoes.
http://abouthungary.hu/media/news-leadpic/766×432/1579253166-20180119orban-viktor1.jpg
http://abouthungary.hu/blog/pm-orban-we-were-one-centimeter-away-from-leaving-the-epp
ORBÁN ONE CENTIMETER AWAY FROM LEAVING EPP
STRIKE THREE ??? ··· Orbán’s Roma-compensation comment was planned from the getgo, not an impromptu brainfart insinuation into his statement, hence your conclusion is spot-on, namely that Fidesz needs diversions to buttress its sagging butt, Éva.
While Orbán & Co. can milk this latest product for all it’s worth, the payback will be less remunerative this time. Buying votes by lowering utility costs is more longterm, migrants can be demonized for years on end, however badmouthing Roma and lawyers will quick become tiring.
The 2022 election is 16 months hence. Orbán will have to come up with a few more misdirections between now and that April if he wants to make it four-in-a-row. His downslide is starting to steepen.
MAGYARKOZÓ
SPEAKING OF LOOZERS ··· I noticed that we’ve lost another pest, dearly departed courtesy of Éva. Formerly epithetted by me as BULLSHEEP and JO, amongst other subnames, our wannabe Aussie, dissatisfied being a wannabe Romanian, resurfaced, but was done in by the HS editor in short order. Perhaps DINGO and his peabrain will tire of his puerile crepitations.
MAGYARKOZÓ
Up until now, it was the outside dangers that Hungarians were being “protected” from and simply alienating the domestic opposition worked out well for Fid. Now he’s starting to cut into his own voting base and dividing the country. The group op “normals” will be getting smaller and smaller. A risky business and bad move on his part I think. Beginning of the end.
Right. Again, such are the dynamics of such regimes, when
– the situation turns worse,
– the external enemies mantra proves to be empty and
– some members of the ruling regime start fidgeting suggesting change
the “leader of the revolution” finds enemies close buy and eliminates the internal deserters or suspects in the process. These kinds of “revolutions” are permanent…
I recall a cartoon from WWII that showed Hitler ssouting “I’ll win this war if I have to kill every last German!”
Re:all the ‘minorities’ as well as others in the country
Considering their ‘treatment’ in the debilitated country it appears every one of them exist simply to soak up the odium directed from those crippled inside themselves from all points of the ‘magyar’ spectrum. At this time we view a country on headlong values life-support.
The big question: Will the country ever decompress from its exuberant hatreds which always seem ready to find their objects? Will there be any end to them?
Re: ‘some members of the ruling regime start fidgeting suggesting change the “leader of the revolution” finds enemies close buy and eliminates the internal deserters or suspects in the process. These kinds of “revolutions” are permanent..’
And then if it does indicate the ‘beginning of the end’ a revolution will show the ‘disobedient’ rising ….in numbers. That’s how they work. Like magnets attracting slivers upon slivers of filings.
This is not necessarily the beginning of the end, harsher repressions and further rigging of the political and electoral environment can extend the term, eg. Mugabe ruled for 15 years the economically collapsed country.
The events and statements reported here suggest that Hungary should be penalised by or expelled from the EU for unacceptable treatment of migrants.. ?
The treatment of migrants or rather, the discourse had on the back of the migrants only serves as a useful smoke curtain for Hungarians to be convinced that they are treated well and equally and that they are being protected by their “chosen” leaders. What does this have to do with today’s article? Do you want to tempt someone here to say that Hungarians should be punished by expulsion for the actions of a government that they actually didn’t choose? If the election results were respected, there would be a much more colourful government in place. Hungarians elect on the basis of manipulative information within an unfair electoral system. Is the question here if the Hungarian people should be expelled for that?
Which “migrants” are you talking about??
The gipsies are a low hanging fruit for Orban. Jobbik doesn’t do anti-roma hate mongering anymore but ratcheting up hatred always works – whether it’s against the Jewish scheming moneymen who want to settle Islamist rapists to Hungary, gays, liberals, urban intellectuals, feminists, “white colonialists” (in Zimbabwe recently for example), Tutsi “cockroaches” (in Rwanda), or, now, against “dirty gipises” (“gipsy/roma” in Hungary has several connotations which can be conveniently left unsaid). This is an age-old, time tested strategy and it always works. As the economy gets worse it will work even better. By that time (within 6-12 months) Orban’s anti-roma credentials will be impeccable and completely credible. Orban understands the world, values, fears etc. of rural whites and he knows what, how they think. The roma issue was abandoned by Jobbik so no wonder Orban is now picking it up. Why would he have any inhibition? Even the EPP would not kick him out in the year 2020 (after no less than a decade of unabashed looting of Hungary and stealing from EU taxpayers and entrenching an autocracy) and the EU is, by design, completely powerless. Orban can only win with this strategy. No politician in history failed with hate-mongering… Read more »
–whether it’s against the Jewish scheming moneymen who want to settle Islamist rapists to Hungary, gays, liberals, urban intellectuals, feminists, “white colonialists” (in Zimbabwe recently for example)…No politician in history failed with hate-mongering propaganda–
Yes, or against the bourgeoisie, the kulaks, and the wreckers (vreditel’stvo) in Stalin’s USSR, or against men (‘toxic masculinity”) as in feminism, or against whites (“white privilege”, “white fragility”), straight white-men in particular. What is the Democratic Party in US if not an inherently unstable coalition of minorities held together by the KKKrazy Glue ? Held together by constantly whipping up fear and loathing over hate crimes, even when they didn’t technically happen, by stoking resentment—and, indeed, hatred—of straight white men. This naked animus is rationalized by projecting the hate felt by the non-whites onto the whites “We hate straight white Republican men because they are hate-filled. They’re practically Ku Klux Klanners”.
The question then is “Has any politician in history done differently” ?
“The specific political distinction to which political actions and motives can be reduced is that between friend and enemy.” -Carl Schmitt
So said one of the most important Nazi (legal) ideologist. You have my permission so next time you may also quote Andrei Vysinsky, I guess he also had similarly deep insights.
As to the Democrats, I can assure you that you have no clue about the Democratic Party, its voters or even the US in general on the ground (ie. not as presented by Fox News) etc. No voter gives a shit about KKK and so on.
Unbelievable!
Ovoda, it would be funny if it weren’t so sad. You’re showing again what an ultra-fascist you are!
i>Schmitt joined the Nazi Party on 1 May 1933.[16] Within days, Schmitt supported the party to the burning of books by Jewish authors, rejoicing in the burning of “un-German” and “anti-German” material, and calling for a much more extensive purge, to include works by authors influenced by Jewish ideas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Schmitt
Yes, first they burned the books, later the people.
I’m now asking Eva to delete your fascist rantings – go to a site that suits you a**hole!
Oh poor little triggered straight white male.
As straight white male who considers himself a feminist, I do not see feminists in general using fear of straight white men to make political gains, rather they are asking for equality and for you to get your grubby hands off of them.
Only an idiot would see as equivalent what OV does with Roma and migrants to the reasonable demands of feminists. As usual Ovika1G is an idiot.
Ovi
BIG BS again.
Can u point out where have the current Dem campaigns taken up the “fears, loathing …hatreds” you are writing above?
Don’t descend to Cat Joe Kengaroo; propagating Orban’s fascism is bad enough without adding stupidity.
” against whites (“white privilege”, “white fragility”), straight white-men in particular” Indeed Ovi, this is why our very own Pauline Hanson (she’s a real charmer, you’d like her) moved a motion in the Australian Senate last year professing that anti-white racism was well and truly rife in our society and declaring that “It’s okay to be white”. As a SWM, I hadn’t realised how disparaged, discriminated against and marginalised I’d become. Thanks to phine pholk like Pauline (and you) people are finally coming to understand just how racist and sexist the globalist liberal west has become – against (straight) white men. …. but what is white I don’t have too many clear and distinct memories from my early chidhood, this is one from the late 50’s. I’m 8, “assimilated” to a point but still struggling with English; there was a word that often cropped up amongst the anglo kids in my street that I knocked about with and sometimes at school. “Wog”; now I’d figured out that certain people were “wogs” and whatever it meant it was a bad thing to be one; but what did it mean and how do I spot one? So I asked the nominal leader… Read more »
“moved a motion in the Australian Senate last year professing that anti-white racism was well and truly rife in our society ”
Yes, anti-white racism has become the backbone of the modern Left, it’s core ideological tenet, as its tries to keep together a rainbow/diverse coalition of ethnic/racial minorities, and of deviants/marginals. Not that the blacks are enlightened liberals who love the Jews, or that the Mexicans have seen the light on the virtue of homosexuality, but they keep together in hate.
I don’t know what is the solution, or if there is any to begin with, that’s why I wrote “The question then is -Has any politician in history done differently ?”. In US the tension is palpable, pre-civil-war level, and with so many weapons and ammunition in civil hands it may blow-up anytime.
A proposed solution by Christopher Caldwell :
“In the prevailing culture, whiteness was a lower spiritual state, associated with moral unfitness and shame, and it was hereditary. Whiteness was a “bloody heirloom,” as [Ta-Nehisi] Coates wrote..”
https://www.takimag.com/article/civil-rights-gone-wrong/
Ovoda, another extreme right wing site to link to?
It’s almost funny – one of this site’s columnists is (in)famous Ann Coulter which is described here:
Ann is a regular contributor to conservative news sites Human Events and Breitbart.
Now that shows your position, little crazy (white?) fascist creature!
PS:
Any comment on your latest hero, Book Burner Carl Schmitt? 🙂 🙂
Unfortunately there is little doubt that anti white male racism is part of the weaponisation of the discrimination industry. This in the light of the fact that white males have given up centuries old vested rights voluntarily and without coming under any significant amount of pressure. The story starts with the marriage of the younger son of the late Diana Spencer, Harry. Despite the total absence of any family resemblance to the Prince of Wales, the divorced husband of Diana Spencer, Harry was accepted as his son and lived until a few days ago as His Royal Highness, Duke of Sussex. Before her arrival in the U.K. as his bride, Meghan, now Her Royal Highness Duchess of Sussex was a minor tv/movie actress of mixed race. She gradually became more and more unpopular with the public and much of the print media. This unpopularity was generated by her peculiarly ungracious behaviour and remarks. She has generated huge controversy in the U.K. As part of this Controversy and following their withdrawal from life as royals, the panel of a TV discussion programme the topic was part of the discussion. When Jonathan Fox, another actor, expressed the view, unacceptable to the discrimination… Read more »
Aida, what have you been smoking/drinking?
Here’s a “nice” example of Hun reality – never heard of this guy before until someone linked to him, I’m still shuddering.
https://www.facebook.com/walter.pal.peter.politikus
Don’t know if the link works, but you can search just for his name – a really ugly Fidesznik I never heard about before.
I feel kind of ashamed that he has a German name …
Wolfi
1. This page is a Mi Hazànk on, ie. the Fid proxi made of the worst former Jobbik.
2. Aida has quite a point re the PC industry, a lot of crazy stuff and people there. I don’t think it’s worth discussing these, because it’s not so bad in Europe. Search for Evergreen college or prof Weinstein to see how crazy this goes.
Only Phil Stine and Observer have doubts, or some honesty issues.
Wolfi
It’s one of the dumb guys on duty today… don’t feed him, it’s getting pretty idiotic.
You’ve quote something from my post Ovi, but it seems you haven’t read the it … you reply seems competent enough; for a late ’90 chat bot.
Maybe there is more than one of you, with an automated back up.
no worries, Romanians are not white, according to the far Right.
Our resident Romanian is convinced that he is an important part of the white Herrenrasse and he is even more convinced that he is very much in danger by every non-white, non-male, non-heterosexual, non-catholic and non-extremist.
WHITE ADVANTAGE ··· When writing about SHEEPMAN, my initial impulse is to refer to him as a LÚZER, however Éva dislikes my [over]use of that however-spelled term, so I will forbear. The fact that Sheepman quotes from Carl Schmitt (a Hitler fanboy who facilitated the Nazi Party’s rise to power) in order to ‘intellectualize’ his post shows his PUKE nature.
75% MALE WHITE ··· This is a white-male world, at least with respect to Europe, Australia, North & South America, as well as certain other regions of the planet. Anyone who spews “white lives matter” crap is a racist, anyone who complains about “antiwhite hatemongering” is a racist. Individuals (nonwhite or otherwise) may hate whites, however nowhere in the world is there SYSTEMIC RACISM that victimizes whites.
WHITE ADVANTAGE ··· I dislike the term ‘white privilege’, which implies that a lousy WHITE PUKE [eg: Sheepman] will automatically have it better than a more-qualified more-capable nonwhite. Well, lowlifes with the right skin do have a color advantage, though not necessarily a color privilege, which is generally reserved for those proximal to big coin.
MAGYARKOZÓ
https://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2019-04/european-union-hungary-democracy-viktor-orban-english/komplettansicht
ZEIT ONLINE • HUNGARY IS LOST
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA HOMEPAGE
HATEMONGERING & HATEPANDERING ··· On this 22nd of January day in 2006 (as I learned on Wikipedia’s homepage) Evo Morales was inaugurated as the first indigenous president of Bolivia, which questions the bag: when will Hungary have its first ethnic Roma prime minister ???
Not a few Hungarians believe that we already have one, averring (without evidence) that Viktor Orbán has Gypsy blood. If that be the case, then why is Orbán palpably antiRoma? Why is he antiJew? Is this yet another case of a politico dissembling, like vociferously antihomosexual closeted midWest US Republican politicians?
Hungarian Spectrum rid itself of DINGO JO BULLSHEEP, yet it still has SHEEPMAN, whom Éva tolerates, indeed indulges. This troll, seemingly more ‘reasonable’, cloaks his utterances in quotes, all the better to create the misperception of intellectuality. Yet, he has no perspicacity, he is just another ORBÁN FANBOY, albeit somewhat more civil, who blindly pushes for a politician with transparent fascist impulses. Why is he such a MOVO [MagyarOrszágViktorOrbán] suckhole? Who knows. Likely the expanse twixt this ears has clogged.
MAGYARKOZÓ
MAGYARKOZÓ
@exTor 8:19 am
Hey dude, it is time for you to take your pills and lie down a little…
Jeezus, I’m surprised by this snark.
Sorry you’re feeling so constricted.
MAGYARKOZÓ
In Bolivia about 68% are mestizo and 20% indigenous. In Hungary gipsies make up about 10% of the total population.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people
ROMANI PEOPLE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_diaspora
ROMANI DIASPORA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people_in_North_Macedonia
NORTH MACEDONIAN ROMANI
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people_in_Romania
ROMANIAN ROMANI
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people_in_Hungary
HUNGARIAN ROMANI
CENTRAL-EUROPE ROMANI REALITY ··· Point well-taken, Marty. One question needs asking: Do Magyars dislike the Roma because Gypsies constitute such a sizable portion of the population? Or do Magyars reflect the prevailing European disposition toward the Roma?
Depending on the count method, Romani account for 3% of Romania, up to 10% of Hungary, up to 12% of North Macedonia. There are 12-million EuroRoma.
Four decades after the American civil-rights movement of the 1960s, Barack Obama became the first black US prez. It might take a half century for the first Roma MagyarLand PM.
MAGYARKOZÓ
Judging by the ever-present return of “Dark side of the moon and Farawaystan”- comments, vividly descriptive of various degrees of alienated orientation – It might be a good idea if the EU established a socio-psycological commission, for the pedagogic task of helping wayward teenage-democracies in on the EU-tracks?
“there is nothing new in this communiqué because the practice has been that the ministry releases the compensation only at the very end.”
OK, so here dies -after 4 days of absurd debates- the fabled “rule of law” issue.
It is pretty much as I wrote in 18 Jan : ” Politically calculated move…This is NOT asking for an exception from the law in this particular case – which would be indeed breaking “the rule of law” principle- this is contesting the respective laws in toto …If he changes the law there will be nothing for him to obey, it will render the judge’s ruling void, if he doesn’t but he eventually pays, after using the intermezzo for gaining political capital, for getting the people worked up against the EU-laws, that’s fine for him as well”
With the difference that Eva sees it in the local context while I see Fidesz secure at home, the polls don’t show a drop in popularity for Fidesz, and I see it aimed at preparing the public and securing support for what Orban anticipates will soon be new clashes with the EU.
“Invidious, 3:35 am
No. Rule of Law is still there, it isn’t going away. But then,
“There is none so blind as those who will not see.”
bambi, you are not only cute but also quite deep
@Invidious, 5:52 am
Huh? Say what?
SHEEPMAN SNARK ???
MAGYARKOZÓ
Sexist much?
I’ve
Wrong!
Orban DID attack the rule of law as he:
– rallied the public against the rule of law : such court rulings don’t have to be complied with;
– dismissed the excising law : piling negatives finishing with “where have we gotten” (hova kerültünk) insinuating a terrible situation brought about EU and Hu laws introduced by himself;
– threatens the layers who work in defense of the right given under the law.
– Orbàn didn’t actually commit a contempt of court, lied about his breaking the law, although the gov hasn’t payed yet and a violation of the law can still come in this case. Eg. Orbàn’s soccer foundation in Felcsùt has been ignoring a court ruling for more than a year.
Yes, a FASCIST regime it is, admittedly a mild one .
In relation to this post I highly recommend those understanding Hungarian to watch A Nap Híre [News of the Day] from monday 2020.Jan.20 – http://www.atv.hu/videok/video-20200120-a-nap-hire-lampe-agnessel-2020-01-20 -first part is about the compensation for prisoners -second part is the most interesting and about the [former] children of Gyöngyöspata *strong emotional statement over the phone by Bogdán László [mayor of a small Roma village] *the studio guests first fell silent and then had to say something, but really couldn’t *finally Vona Gábor [former Jobbik leader] started to speak, first very true [see the others’ faces], that there are two groups involved [Roma and non-Roma], but then he starts only pointing out to what the Roma should do [follow Bogdán’s path], while completely neglecting and not mentioning what non-Roma should do, so forgetting one group, his own! *the others don’t seem to go into this [neglecting and forgetting] and the conversation goes into other aspects of the case For me Vona truly exemplified the majority of the people in Hungary, pointing to others, but incapable of asking and looking to themselves! Any light critical remark is taken as a frontal attack, and the critique isn’t used for what its really meant, development and progress.… Read more »
This seems an insightful and correct analysis of the reason for the latest choice of Public Enemies by the Orbán propaganda machine – Roma, Prisoners and Lawyers. Hey, folks! What isn’t to hate about them – easy pickin’s everyone. But such decisions by an organization posing as the government of all the people (that “Rule of Law” thing again) is simply vile, cynical and a disgrace.
We know that Hungary has a long history of (officially) directed hate against Hungarian minorities. The first half of the 20th century shows where that led to – mass degradation, mass deprivation, mass theft, mass deportation and mass killings.
It appears that Orbán believes that this path is worth treading again (Oh yes! „But not like last time, no Hungarians would do anything like that”. One can hear already the protests of „Government as Victim”.)
Faced with cynical government decisions like these, one cannot but feel a deep physical revulsion, a sickness in the pit of the stomach, against this criminal regime.
Orbán must go.
An afterthought on 20 Jan, thanks to @Istvan (Chicago) 9:01 am… The superficially soothing statement by the Croatian president of the Council of the European Union in which it was said, essentially, that the EU should not be punishing states who stray from the path of righteousness regarding the Rule of Law but should be holding dialogue with them to return them to a state of full conformity with EU expectations, must have caused a few good belly laughs up in the convent on Castle Hill. [“The presidency’s function is to chair meetings of the Council, determine its agendas, set a work programme and facilitate dialogue both at Council meetings and with other EU institutions.”] It appears however that the president is intent on interfering with the EU’s established processes in dealing with the difficult question of the Rule of Law. Cynically, one might wonder what his motives are… …in gratitude for a few soccer pitches and a “training academy or two”? The EU parliament came to a decision recommending that action be taken on Article 7(1) against Hungary but now that is to be ignored? On what basis? To set the EU back to its own “peacock dance” of… Read more »
OT – One-Party-State-“public”-Media [1PS”p”M]
And guess what Karacsony now was finally invited into the 1PS”p”M studios for a live interview on its main M1 channel.
The interview lasted ca.25min and what did 1PS”p” M1 Hirado [“news”] put up on their youtube channel?
Not even a summary of the interview, but two videos with “analyses” [a short and a long one] of the interview by media analysts of OV&Co’s GONGOs.
Was this a serious interview or not? Well going through the “questions”, it seems more like an interrogation about when and how many times the lord mayor is going by bicycle through the city!
For thorough and real independent analyses of the interview best go to https://444.hu/2020/01/21/vendeg-volt-karacsony-gergely-a-kozteveben-de-senki-nem-volt-felkeszulve-arra-ami-ott-varta [where the whole interview can also be watched]
First impressions from Davos:
Ursula von der Leyen said
… flagging that events in the last decades have underlined “the importance of a stable neighbourhood” from “Ukraine to the shores of the Mediterranean, from the Western Balkans to the Sahel”.
https://www.euronews.com/2020/01/22/watch-eu-chief-ursula-von-der-leyen-speaks-at-davos
Now what is Western Balkan here? Does it include Hungary?
And in other news:
World’s first hydrogen-powered drone, a Hungarian-American project.
https://www.magyarhirlap.hu/gazdasag/20200122-bemutattak-a-vilag-elso-hidrogen-uzemanyagcella-meghajtasu-dronjat
Perhaps in Hungary and not anywhere in Western Europe, because in Western Europe they prefer to spend their money on “integrating migrants” as well as making sure that their criminals get 5 star treatment in their prisons. Its the progressive way!
speaking of migrants:
https://www.magyarhirlap.hu/kronika/20200122-brutalisan-megeroszakolt-egy-not-egy-szomaliai-ferfi-budapesten
Now put him into a 5 star West European prison for a year or two (not more because it will ruin those incarceration stats) He will thank the government for the hospitality, since living standards in that prison were 10x better than what he left behind in Africa, then he will probably just go back to securing some accommodations again, following the most pleasurable path. He will do it over and over again, till he gets caught and sent to those 5 star accommodations again, having much fun in the process. That is why there is no rape epidemic in places like Sweden. Its all in the heads of “Nazis”!
Zoli, I don’t think you know anything about physics. You may not even remember elementary school physics. Hydrogen is not a source of energy; at most its a kind of battery (energy carrier). The problem of the world economy is how to generate energy (ie. find resources) which does not involve using more fossil fuels (ie. creation of CO2) and how to find a source that provides much more energy than how much energy it takes to bring it to consumption (e.g. drill, refine, transport etc.). Hydrogen is abundant in the universe but on earth it exists in compound forms and in order to use in such projects as you mentioned first you have to create hydrogen gas. Currently 95% of hydrogen – which is essential to various industrial processes – is made from fossil fuels (mostly methane). Electrolysis (ie. from water) involves using electricity and there is no return on energy — it is expected by within a decade the loss on invested energy will be limited to 15% (let alone real return as there is currently on coal, natural gas and gasoline). Moreover, if hydrogen mixes with air this mixture can detonate extremely quickly, on other words hydrogen… Read more »
Do intelligence
and racism mix.
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Thanks for the basics in physics Marty. Hydrogen production from other sources is indeed needed to run anything on hydrogen, which is derived mostly from electricity or alternatively natural gas, so in effect you are correct, Hydrogen is not a source but rather energy transformed into another energy fuel. But given heavy weight of batteries it will most likely be the only way that airline industry will be able cut back on oil dependence, if at all possible, so this is a great thing for Hungary that it is at the forefront of research in this regard.
You are also right about such planes of the future being flying hydrogen bombs, but perhaps it will be something we will learn to live with as the lesser of evils.
“it will most likely be the only way that airline industry will be able cut back on oil dependence,”
Maybe, and if it were possible, it would be a great thing for the world, not just Hungary.
There is no way hydrogen will ever be used in flying. Seriously, hydrogen gas is extremely dangerous. I don’t know what the aviation industry will use, but surely hydrogen is not an option.
Moreover, energy density of kerozine is orders of magnitude greater than what batteries can provide (even assuming further significant improvements) so – quite apart from the fact that electricity is not an energy source – flying with batteries, except for limited use small planes, is not an option either.
So we will be stuck with fossil fuel in aviation for a long time, I am afraid.
Well then, there is no way to ease Greta’s anxiety is there?
Zolidiot, Greta is not asking us to return to the glorious past when Hungarians rode horses (or cows?) but to reduce our greenhouse emissions – we can’t get them to zero unless we kill most of the people.
PS
It’s funny in a way how you idiot like ovoda concentrate on her when she just speaks out for the scientists.
At least it shows your stupid fascist ignorance – thank you for that!
Seems to be your second hobby – the first is to link to loonie fake news sites like breitfart etc.
What does that tell us about your “character” – it’s nonexistent … 🙂 🙂
Zoli
Reading MHírlap doesn’t bring you any knowledge and you already sound like an idiot with this migrant BS. Here in Hu We learn from Kèkfèny about one or two murders every week, two whole families were murdered last three months, etc and all were committed by the migrants who came here 1000 years ago.
For those who speak Hungarian:
“The Fidesznik Spiderman” comics series. Very witty, funny.
https://droidokorszaga.tumblr.com/
👍👍👍..hilarity all there
ZK: ‘In Central Europe, we don’t want to live with others, we want to remain ourselves’
Sartre: ‘Hell is other people’
And the country is probably real lucky that the dogs don’t talk. Puts it another way of things er..going to the dogs.
OT – back to reality:
Hungary had the highest inflation rate in the EU last year – a whopping 4.1%
https://bbj.hu/region/highest%20eu%20inflation%20in%20december%20in%20hungary,%20romania_176907
Yes, and also one of the highest rates of GDP growth of around 5% for 2019, which makes for nominal growth in the 9% range (real GDP growth + inflation). Compare that with EU average nominal growth expected for 2019; 1.6% inflation + 1.3% = less than 3%. So Hungary’s economy is nominally expanding at more than three times the rate of the EU average. Bad news indeed!
You really are a zolidiot! 🙂 🙂 So let’s say in Yugoslavia they had 100% (or more …) inflation that did make nominal growths of more than 100%. So Hungary should also have more inflation to get nicer numbers? What about the people whose income, state payments and pensions are not adjusted to this? PS: Most of the extra money in the GDP goes to the few mafiosi anyway – for the others it’s: If you have nothing then you are nothing. A typical example: You see some very nice expensive SUVs on the road (of course zolidiot doesn’t see them because he’s too far away …) – but the average age of cars has risen to more than 14 years. Now think about the environmenta impact of those old engines – most of them wouldn’t be allowed to run in Germany at all and especially not in the cities! PS a (kind of …) funny story: Some years ago a German friend of mine who lived in Hungary wanted to go to Austria with his Lada – and because of the environment was sent back at the border! That car was so smelly – you couldn’t follow it on… Read more »
Moderate inflation can be good, hyperinflation is definetely bad. That is the reason why most central banks target moderate inflation, do not want to see deflation or hyperinflation. 4% inflation for Hungary is only slightly above the 3% target. Looks high within the context of EU which has been fighting deflation for about a decade now.
Zoltán, as you never believe facts I tell you here a quote of a very good article about the main mistakes of Orbánomics:
“The recent economic growth of 5% gives Hungary the chance keep up with their partners in the Visegrad Group, but not the Western economies of the EU.
For years, the region’s economies have grown giving Visegrad citizens a chance of prosperity. However, the Hungarian GDP per capita has not changed and is already lower than that of Poland. It may even be lower than Slovakia’s.
In order to maintain current living standards, Hungarians must find a new model to follow. Already today, the labour market is shrinking by 1% per year; the society is ageing, and at the same time the traditional sources of labour migration (Romanian and Ukrainian) are running out because those countries are facing similar demographic challenges. In addition, young people are increasingly opting to move abroad and work in the more developed economies in the west.”
https://visegradinsight.eu/orbans-self-imposed-predicament/
Zoli
How come that with 4-5% growth (by way of EU subsidies or not) the Huns became the SECOND POOREST NATION in the EU?
The Orbàn mafia robbed the nemzet blind?
How come you lack basic logic? Niger could grow at 20%/year for a decade and it would still be among the poorest in the world.
As for Hungary, it is not the second-poorest in EU. Bulgaria, Romania, Croatia, Poland all have a lower GDP/capita than Hungary.
Eur/Huf reached 336.7 today, which makes for a 6.7% loss in value in six months. Even 5% loss is a VERY BAD thing for “the hard working small..” dupe, because this erodes the pensions, the savings, gov bonds included.
My pessimism was overdone last year, but the Huns became the second poorest in the EU!! even in relatively good economy.
Actually inflation erodes salaries and pensions. Salaries have been increasing at a double digit rate in the past few years.
And pensions, zolidiot?
Try at least to get some facts or people will continue to laugh at your ignorance.
My wife just got the news what her pension in 2020 will be – I don’t even know all the swear words she used …
PS:
For all who really are interested in facts – a site where you can compare countries economics wise, lots of stuff to think about. Here’s Hungary vs Poland e g:
https://countryeconomy.com/countries/compare/hungary/poland?sector=GDP+per+capita+%28Dollars%29&sc=XE34#tbl