It has been almost a year since Gergely Prőhle, a long-time diplomat who finished his government career as the director-general of the Petőfi Literary Museum (PIM), was replaced by Szilárd Demeter, a man until then practically unknown in Hungary. Demeter was born in Odorheiu Secuiesc (Székelyudvarhely) and, after a brief literary career in Cluj (Kolozsvár), worked in Brussels between 2008 and 2012 for László Tőkés, a member of the European Parliament. In 2014, he settled in Hungary and joined the Fidesz think tank Századvég. Why Miklós Kásler picked him to head PIM is unclear.
After his appointment, Demeter had plenty of opportunity to introduce himself to the Hungarian public through several interviews he gave to important organs. What emerged was “a narrow-minded nationalist without any sensibility of literary value and literature’s universality,” to quote myself. In addition, he showed himself to be a violent man who at one point “wanted to send a message to the individual [who criticized his rock band] that we will play the Ode to Joy on his fingers with a hammer.” In another interview he described his childhood, where every weekend he participated in some kind of a planned brawl between teenagers from two parts of the small town in which he was brought up. All in all, I sensed trouble between this stranger to Budapest and the members of the Hungarian literary elite.
Soon enough, it became patently obvious that our man from Transylvania, in addition being unqualified to lead the cultural life of the country, also held far-right political views. He had ambitious plans, and not just to remold contemporary Hungarian literature. He also started working on a new project: training journalists who “keep Hungarian values in mind.”
A clash of cultures between Demeter, who comes from a small village near Odorheiu and holds far-right views, and the writers and poets whom he is supposed to represent was unavoidable, especially because it was evident from the very beginning that Demeter intended to make the Petőfi Literary Museum a political debate society. A couple of days ago, Lajos Parti Nagy, an important contemporary poet, playwright, and writer, announced that, as long Szilárd Demeter remains the director-general of the museum, he will not cross the threshold of the building. “I have had enough of bullies like this director-general … [who] uses ghastly infantile language, threatens his enemies with broken fingers, and tells writers that they shouldn’t be surprised if their political utterances receive political answers.” He added that “in the mornings I think that one can outlive all this [horror], but then in the afternoon I am not so sure.”
A day later, the government announced the 45 recipients of a new literary scholarship. The award is quite generous, but one of the recipients, Imre Bartók, refused the two-year scholarship because Szilárd Demeter and his friends a couple of years ago “incited against other writers, among them my friends, in the party organ.” Bartók here is talking about the vicious “Kulturkampf” Demeter and his friends waged in Magyar Idők and Magyar Nemzet against “left-liberal” writers.
But that’s only the beginning. Today Szilárd Demeter, who has strange views about the freedom of speech, dropped a real bomb. Under his direction, the museum began a “cultural program” streamed on YouTube called Hajónapló (Ship Log), which Demeter called “one of the freest editorial boards, which is neither objective, nor independent, but free.” The eight-hour-long program’s goal is “to show the widest spectrum of Hungarian cultural life.” The director is Gábor Megadja, a researcher at Századvég, and the editor-in-chief is a Fidesz deputy mayor of one of the Budapest districts. Two of the participants were earlier banned from Echo TV because of their anti-Semitic remarks, which, given the ideological bent of that television station, is quite something. Those who had the patience to listen to eight hours of gibberish learned that “the British Army is good at killing natives equipped with pineapples.” Áron Ambrózy, the banned anti-Semite, wondered about “the percentage of globalist American actors with German-sounding names.” He thinks that “it is frighteningly high.”
Few people sat through this utterly chaotic conversation (I certainly didn’t), so it took some time to find a few truly outrageous comments in the segment called “Padded Cell” (Gumiszoba). It was here that the following sentence was uttered: “Europe has missed a great opportunity on the road to a more peaceful future with the complete elimination of the German people.” Further we can hear that “we shouldn’t mix up the Germans of Germany with the Swabians of Hungary because the two are two different worlds. One is white-skinned and the other not so much.” The anti-Semitic Ambrózy was happy to provide an anti-German quotation from Ilya Ehrenburg’s 1942 article titled “Kill,” in which he said that “if you have not killed at least one German a day, you have wasted that day.” I should add that the program was uploaded to YouTube on January 19, which happened to be the Memorial Day of the expulsion of the German-speaking population of Hungary after World War II.
Koloman Brenner, a Jobbik member of parliament of German extraction, called on the government to dismiss Demeter from his job because he allowed this program to be aired. Demeter, given his combative nature, immediately fired back, defending the “Padded Cell” program in the name of free speech. He explained on Origo that Hungary is a country of law, and therefore Brenner has the right to file a complaint. But otherwise, he and his political hacks can foment racial hatred and encourage anti-Semitism and the loathing of various groups of people in the name of free speech.
The most detailed description of the “Padded Cell” program appeared in Péter Ungár’s Azonnali, where at least four opinion pieces were published. One by Bea Bakó, who despite her family name is of German extraction, took the position that there are and always will be prejudiced people but that their influence on society is minimal and therefore it is not necessary to spend much time worrying about fools like these fellows. Péter Techet, whose family also hails from Germany, was less understanding. In his opinion, “what was being said on the show qualifies as a criminal case of incitement against a community.”
Techet very rightly pointed out that Demeter as “a Romanian Hungarian” should recognize the gravity of incitement against a minority and draw the necessary conclusions. What would he think if someone claimed that Romania missed a great opportunity when it didn’t eliminate the Hungarians on the road toward a more peaceful future?” Of course, I have no idea how Demeter feels about Romanians today, although I do know from one of his interviews that while he was a university student in Cluj, he and his friends provoked Romanians, ending in brawls.
Quite hypocritical given that Eva belonged to an institution in the Western world (academia) which largely purged most institutions in the Western World from all opposing ideological viewpoints. Today, a non-leftist-Marxist-globalist academic has become about as rare as white rhinos (slight exaggeration) this in turn has led to most other institutions becoming ideologically dominated by the same cult, ranging from teachers to media and even business elites. Eva complains that in one country in particular there is some push-back. I guess no dissent is tolerated!
you guess
Are you zolidiot telling us that “leftist-Marxist-globalist academic” people are calling for the maiming or even killing their “opponents”?
Please bring examples, little fascist!
PS:
Normally I try to switch off when you call everybody who is not a fascist like you “leftist-Marxist-globalist” but that calling for the killing of minorities was just too much.
wolfi, Zoli and Ovidiu are paid professional trolls (with a full time job at certain state agencies). Almost always it’s no use feeding them.
Marty, I’m not trying to feed them but to counter their “reports” about the “ugly things” that happen in the “leftist-Marxist-globalist” world – which includes all real developed democracies.
Some naive people might believe them …
EXTOR COMMENT RE BIG LEAGUE POLITICS
https://hungarianspectrum.org/2020/01/23/viktor-orban-entrusts-hungarian-culture-to-the-far-right/#comment-182556
COUNTERING = FEEDING ··· Your impulses may be correct, Wolfi, however the nettó result is a CLOG of uselessnesses. Read my BLP comment for my take on SHEEPMAN and ZED.
I dont know that I buy Marty’s contention that S&Z are “paid professional trolls”, they may just be misguided assholes ‘doing their own things’. If S&Z are PPTs in the service of the Viktor, then they are certainly less-than-efficacious. Their occasional racist shite is counterproductive.
I dont engage with S&Z, for there is no worth in it. They’re racist Orbánists who wont be convinced of anything that counters their misguidedness re the next former PM of MagyarLand.
Stop using ‘Zolidiot’, Wolfi. Bitte.
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Marty – You’re right about that. Question remains – which “agency”? There are layers of fictive identities on the internet, mostly providing commercial services in order to generate income, either directly or through advertising. Some of these also double as profiles with a political function, but their services are strictly commercial and usually sold on a subscription basis. There are also quite a few moonlighting professionals, who hold/have held positions that rub off degrees of credibility (position/experience, which implies knowledge as to what actually goes/went on), to whatever they might mention. They act as dedicated personal advocates of certain agendas, as part of their private presence on social media. In order not to compromise their established personal integrity, they are specifically not allowed to engage in discussions of a personal political nature, but merely to make, and on a regular basis, repeat short assertive and personal stereotypes, as accompanying references to their daily lives. This activity gives an impression of sincere personal concern. Their job is typically not to source information as such, but to “plant seeds” and cultivate conditioned emotional responses in their friends through frequency of affirmation, which again secures the positive reception the underlying emotional messages, conveyed… Read more »
Well unfortunately I agree that they are both likely employed by Információs Hivatal IH or another such agency. Given their inability to actually engage in a dialog and continually focus on nonsensical “got you” points further discredits a non-liberal perspective in the context of Hungary. My own experience dealing with members of the CIA in Vietnam and elsewhere indicates they were extrodionarily intellligent people who had behind them teams of researchers with serious foreign language and culture skills. I see nothing at that level in these two posters. William Colby was everywhere in Vietnam even after 1971 when he became executive director of CIA back in Washington DC. Colby was a very devout Catholic and was deeply concerned about what would happen to the Vietnamese Catholic community if there was a communist take over of the South. He was also completely ruthless and organized the controversial Phoenix Program, an initiative designed to identify and attack the “Viet Cong Infrastructure.” There is considerable debate about the merits of the program to this day in the US Army, which was subject to allegations that it relied on or was complicit in assassination and torture. Colby, however, consistently insisted that such tactics were… Read more »
Yes Istvan. In our society, utopian as it is, there can be no real valid dissent. Everyone is happy, therefore anyone who disagrees must be a “paid troll”! I mean all of your Eva minion peers agree!
The question is whether NYU would hire a professor who called for “black genocide.”
https://jonathanturley.org/2018/01/03/drexel-professor-who-called-for-white-genocide-hired-by-new-york-university/comment-page-1/
Can’t you stop linking to those fascist sites, little troll ovoda?
Just one perfunctory look at their home pages makes me want to throw up – you might as well link to the Daily Stormer …
Will you ever stop linking to Marxist-globalist MSM sites?
These trolls are like Harzer-cheese. The longer they stay in the sun, the more they stink!
Zoli is an idiot. If a professor advocating for white genocide wrote papers or books about, presented at conferences advocating it, they would never be hired. This professor made a joke in a tweet. Not very mature, but it’s a lie to say this guy called for white genocide. And no, anyone calling for the genocide of any group woul dnever be hired.
ZED BOTTOMFEEDER ··· Perhaps his stupidity is thinking that most of the HS readership will buy his crap, which often is a distortion of reality. He tries too hard and we get it. Aint nobody buying.
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The question is whether Univ. of Georgia defend a professor who instructs his followers to “take war to the Jewish family” and claim that “fighting Jewish people is a skill.”
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/university-defends-radical-professor-who-made-anti-white-remarks/
Misrepresented on two points. 1) Not a professor but rather grad student. One who no has no future in academia. 2) Did not specifically mention Jewish people.
The University wants to fire him and is consulting with lawyers and the state attorney general about how they can legally respond.
Propagandists cherry pick and chose outliers to spread lies. Ovika1G is a liar!
Leftist-Marxist-globalist academics prefer to shape societies that send ideological dissenters to prison or have them lose their jobs and so on if they dare to stray ideologically.
Latest victim: A gay French writer, who in the ME would be sent to prison or executed for being gay, who is realizing that the leftist-Marxist-globalists who used to support his cause are now throwing him and his peers under the bus, in favor of importing the culture of the ME-Africa into Europe.
https://politicalbullpen.com/t/france-arrested-intellectual-renaud-camus-for-discussing-the-great-replacement/7052
This is how dissent is silenced by the Leftist-Marxist-globalists!
Hate speech is a crime!
Calling for violence against minorities is a crime!
This is rule of law, just in opposite to Orbán above the law!
Being gay does not make a good human out of a criminal!
Yes, the way “hate speech law” has been applied here, the Dalai Lama would have to be arrested as well. If this does not raise alarm bells in regards to something having gone horribly wrong, then I don’t know what will. Especially with ideological zealots like you and your peers on this site.
BTW this whole “rule of law” excuse for what this is, namely ideological persecution is used to justify many nasty things around the world. For instance, In many Muslim countries same author would be imprisoned or even executed for being gay. And yes, it is “rule of law” as well. There are laws in place and everything!
According to Zoltán with these words the Dalai Lama committed hate speech and called for violence:
“Europe should offer safe haven to those in need …. Europe was “morally responsible” for helping the refugees who fled war, hunger and persecution in their homelands …. European nations must “help them, educate them” and ensure they have a good quality of life …. they [the refugees] ultimately should rebuild their own country.”
The message is not a lot different from French author’s remarks.
“I think Europe belongs to the Europeans,”
You left out this quote, since I guess it was not convenient. Dalai Lama says same thing, colonists should go home and Europe should be for Europeans.
Everything I quoted is denied by Camus – and by you, Zoltán. And I didn’t quote everything he said, I made a selection and left out the most stupid sentence indeed. Camus’ hate inspired the Christchurch mass-murderer to kill in the mosques. For this hate and the call for violence he is convicted.
The Dalai Lama did not call for hate or violence. But he also showed that he doesn’t understand completely the process of integration in a very different culture, the impact of careers and that there are families with children born and raised in these other countries. It often enough takes such a long time that refugees only can build on the success of their new home countries, but can’t return at all. Otherwise I would need to ask, why the Dalai Lama is not back in Tibet building up his own country. Not every old man saying a single stupid sentence is a criminal, but the ideological father of the Christchurch murderer is.
Zolidiot, lying as usual and linking to a fascist site, as usual.
Camus got a suspended sentence for hate speech and exciting violence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaud_Camus
And the good news – zoli, are you proud?
Some of the right wingers call him a sodomite.
Don’t you think he should have been sent to prison for this? 🙂 🙂
At all others:
If you google this you get a nice list of extreme right wing and fascist sites, from zerohedge to the daily stormer and many others – I shudder just reading their names.
Wolfi 7777,
“Exciting violence” is a Freudian error.
Perhaps you meant, ‘inciting violence’…?
I tried to find more info on this gay “philosopher” Camus – his book „The Great Replacement“ was the same motto that the killer in Christchurch used – coincidence?
And typical zolidiot:
Camus was sentenced in 2015 !!! for inciting hatred, couldn’t find more details right now.
But zoli’s fascist fake news sources report on it as if it happened right now …
Wonder how long he had to search for this, typical fascist modus operandi …
For those who can read German:
https://taz.de/Rechter-Philosoph-Renaud-Camus/!5616718/
What a horrible creature!
I can read German..
Arbeit machs frei!
Now I may correct you?
Arbeit macht frei!
PS:
Hungarian used this motto too – my “favourite” story there is famous Hungarian mathematician Turán Pál who was sent to a work camp in 1940 where many people died. One of the guards who had worked at a science publishing company made a joke asking the frail young man if he knew anything about Turán’s law and was flabbergasted when Pál answered:
Well , I just simplified my proof and expanded it …
So he took him off from hard labour and gave him an office job …
Turán probably would not have survived without this.
Zoli – Any other news from the other side of the moon, that you want to tell the world about?? Don’t be so shy!!
“Today, a non-leftist-Marxist-globalist academic has become about as rare as white rhinos”
Sure, since you call every democrat from conservative to social democrats a leftist-Marxist-globalist you’re right. Your favour of fascism has no place in the academic world, because the fascists only interested in hate, corruption and violence. Where no corrupt regimes are ruling against their people the academics are limited by facts only, not by ideology. Here in Hungary we make academics from narrow-minded idiots instead to destroy culture and promote the ideology of hate.
Eva
Zoli’s often idiotic level comments, sloganeering for the Hu fascists doesn’t contribute anything. The above comment is probably a good opportunity to send him off cooling for a couple of months.
Free speech you say?
NONE FOR RACIST FASCISTS ··· You dont belong here, ZED. Why dont you move along. This is a private forum. You are only allowed on this site at the sufferance of its facilitator [Éva Balogh]. Your crap is fetid, as expected, coming from you. This is your warning.
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Actually, it is a public forum! A private forum would be for members only.
GO BATMAN! 🙂
TERMINOLOGY ··· Further to the cavil of ZED (which sounds like it could have been a movie title from the 1920s) a restricted forum does not allow any uninvited members. A private [quasipublic] forum allows outsiders, however they are vetted. An open [public] forum theoretically allows unrestricted nonvetted speech.
ABSOLUTE RIGHT OF SPEECH ··· No forum allows absolute free speech. All forums have rules that mandate the turfing of individuals based on transgressions committed. The rules and their enforcements vary. At HS, Éva is the facilitator; what she says goes. Therefore, it is the hope of many that she eject the current trolls [S&Z] and all others who happen by. Amen.
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Orban wants fighters as underlings, wants conflicts, wants to inflict pain on “liberals” and “intellectuals” and the extreme right is the place where he can find these madmen.
(Moreover, Orban’s views are absolutely in line with the thinking of these people.)
Waging a merciless and successful ideological war – as we know from Lenin, Stalin or Steve Bannon – is absolutely crucial for winning, and the domination of the minds. It is as important as stealing billions of euros.
Steve Bannon is unfortunately much more intelligent than Trump, he actually has an ideology and a global vision designed to implement US global domination all the while arguing for what appears to be an isolationist and an America first perspective. He is so much brighter than Trump that Trump got rid of him, basically the normal fears of a dictator of underlings. Bannon is a trained US navy officer he served on the destroyer USS Paul F. Foster as a surface warfare officer in the Pacific Fleet, and afterwards stateside as a special assistant to the Chief of Naval Operations at the Pentagon. (See https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2017/02/01/steve-bannon-and-the-national-security-council-what-we-can-learn-from-his-navy-career/ ). Bannon wants to use Trump for a much larger agenda probably bordering on implementing something like fascism, but without it corporative component. He is like myself a Catholic and he graduated from Benedictine College Preparatory, a private, Catholic, military high school in Richmond, Virginia, in 1971. He went on to Virginia Tech College of Architecture and Urban Studies in 1976, with a bachelor’s degree in urban planning. While serving in the navy, he earned a master’s degree in national security studies in 1983 from Georgetown University School of Foreign Service. In 1985,Bannon earned a… Read more »
“Steve Bannon is unfortunately much more intelligent than Trump, he actually has an ideology and a global vision designed to implement..”
Bannon is a bogeyman, he is for the Left what Soros is for the Right, a conspiratorial figure.
He is useful however, just as Soros. Let’s not forget that a lot, if not the majority, of people everywhere are at Chuck Berry’s level of mental development and can’t process anything complicated. They need such crude, simplified explanatory schemes to make (a sort of) sense of the world and get a rough idea about how the opposing forces are aligned.
Mr. Bannon I would suggest is intellectually heads and shoulders above yourself Ovidiu as is Mr. Soros. Mr. Bannon might put out a lot of BS, like the impeachment of Trump is the trial of the century which he said yesterday on his podcast. But like Orban he knows better and like Orban is calculating his impact constantly. Mr. Soros was as an immigrant, even before his billions made in the currency markets he was very interested in American social inequality and became associated with Michael Harrington a US social democrat, Who wrote The Other America: Poverty in the United States. New York: Macmillan, 1962.
Harrington went to the University of Chicago and was an extremely bright man. Mr. Soros have never fully recognized the dynamics between free market capitalism and social inequality. (See for example https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/jul/06/the-george-soros-philosophy-and-its-fatal-flaw and the response by Soros https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jul/13/george-soros-im-a-passionate-critic-of-market-fundamentalism ). To be honest as a conservative I accept social inequality as an essential aspect of the a market economy, it neither good nor bad, it is what it is.
Left right up down – Ovi, your head is spinning and you talk like a hippopotamus’ ass!
“Mr. Bannon I would suggest is intellectually heads and shoulders above yourself Ovidiu as is Mr. Soros. ” That was not the subject of what I wrote. I pointed out the complementary role they play in the political imagination and discourse of the Right and the Left respectively (and neither one is any great thinker, btw, but gifted popularizers at best) “To be honest as a conservative I accept social inequality as an essential aspect of the a market economy” That’s neither conservative nor right-wing but the classical-liberal point of view. Granted in US they are typically confused as you are about about the meaning of these labels, and that for historical reasons. US never had a proper right-wing, conservative, political party. US has been a country built from the start on the liberal principles. The US political parties have always been different “apps” running on the same liberal “operating system”… see Deneen – “Why Liberalism Failed” -“..classical liberals (“conservatives”) emphasize limiting government intervention and the importance of economic liberation, while progressive liberals (“liberals”) insist that government intervention in economics is essential to ensuring liberation for all, since paupers, the disenfranchised, and the marginalized are limited in their ability to… Read more »
Slavery was a liberal principle, when did that happen? The US constitution had a provision to count slaves as 3/5 human from the beginning. It took a horrible civil war with many dead to get to the point of freeing slaves in the USA. There was political support from every major party prior to the foundation of the Republican Party for slavery, that is sufficiently right wing for me. There was no significant opposition for executions of slaves in rebellion against their masters from any major political party in the USA, even President Lincoln was initially opposed to supporting slave revolts for fear of alienating completely the white population of some of the union states. For example in southern Illinois, the state where I live, there were whites opposed to southern succession, but not slavery. Even the essay you linked to in your post very clearly states as part of its critique of Professor Deneen “while there were certainly liberal elements to the Founding (of the USA), they were balanced by other influences. Many of the founders were full of admiration for the classical tradition and steeped in Christianity. They were, with a few notable exceptions, not proponents of liberalism… Read more »
Not too much OT re the treatment of slaves etc in the USA:
On our holiday in Niagara Falls (Canadian side) we drove around and found a monument on the invasion of Canada by US troops more than 200 years ago via the Niagara River.
That was not successful in the end – partially because the Canadians got help:
Former black slaves and Native Americans also fought valiantly against the invading US troops – wonder why?
War of 1812. On the opposing side, however, 104 troops were killed or wounded, and among the men fighting for the British were about 250 First Nations people and a 50-man brigade of freed slaves and black servants.
https://torontosun.com/travel/local-travel/near-niagara-falls-u-s-and-canadian-forts-from-the-war-of-1812-still-face-off
A sometimes quite funny article on the relations between Canada and the USA. Seems Canadians have something common with Europeans – a majority doesn’t sympathize with Trump and Trumpistan …
Wolfi, just an example of an American who doesn’t like Trump:
István, thanks for this!
Stuff like that gives back hope for the USA.
Actually, the US is shot to shit.
Non of the prognosticators have the wit, or desire, to tell the public what is really going on. It is this: the great fight is about the Republican party’s death rattle fight to maintain themselves. If Trump loses,
the party will implode, never (hopefully) to rise again.
“Seems Canadians have something common with Europeans – a majority doesn’t sympathize with Trump and Trumpistan”
https://v2.panow.com/article/844238/poll-suggests-majority-canadians-favour-limiting-immigration-levels
No intelligent adult could side with Trump. He’s an angry, ill-willed, child.
Useless to point out what conservative means – from the extremist’s view everyone from the broad democratic spectrum, everyone who doesn’t preach racism and everyone who doesn’t adore professional haters is left-liberal or a marxist.
Re: “Seems Canadians have something common with Europeans – a majority doesn’t sympathize with Trump and Trumpistan’.
Canada …that ‘melting pot’ like the US with the dam foreigners all over the place. Foreign this and foreign that and to add insult to injury they even have their own old-world traditions. Unbelieveable🙀🙀🙀!!!
Highlights an issue a thousand plus miles away in eastern Europe and with those who espouse a similar philosophy throughout the continent where they could be the poorest example of problem solvers on the face of the earth.
America’s population growth has to do with the defeat of the labour unions; and the maintenance of the ‘supply’ side of the economic construct.
correction: I meant, the ‘demand’ side…
The american civil war was not about slavery; it was about the struggle by southern states to maintain their primacy over the north.
A mushroom growing in the forest is more intelligent than Trump. It’s the people, dumbed down by many years of advertising, who can’t distinguish anymore.
The greatest cause of conflict in societies is population growth.
I’d really like to have an explanation as to why the US has a population of 350,000,000 while Canada, with a larger territory, is doing quite fine with 40,000,000.
Are the Yanks ‘farming’ humans and sending them to distant planets as food?
PETŐFI BINGE ··· What’s up, you have some sort of freakout? You may have set a record for the most consecutive HS comment numbers: from #182665 to #182678, 14 in total, datestamped from 11:43 to 12:09. Not a lot of worth in those 14, unfortunately, as evidenced by the 27-minute interval of deposition. BTW, most Canadians live within 100 miles of the US border. There’s not a lot of good living space in Canada.
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Arpad Habony is back. The anti-roma and prison compensation stories (even the latter is a kind of anti-roma story, since most prisoners are assumed to be roma) were his ideas. The important thing, however, is not that Habony found these stories (roma hatred is a pretty low hanging fruit) but rather that the opposition seems mute again, it is unable to create any discourse about which voters would want to talk at the office water cooler. When there is a discourse, we must always ask what is it that is not talked about, what other possible discourses this one displaces? And this analysis leads to the question why is the opposition mute? Just because it won a few municipalities the opposition politicians still probably want to win the general election (however rigged it is) in 2020. And for that they would need to talk and communicate, set a new, own agenda, not just react. Yet, they are patently unable to do so. Partly, the reason is the opposition viscerally hates politics; they like – a real liberall affliction – policy, management of a bureaucracy, setting up committees, writing proposals, concluding agreements etc. But not organizing, talking to people, thinking about… Read more »
“that the opposition seems mute again, it is unable to create any discourse about which voters would want to talk at the office water cooler”
Maybe because they know that it will make them loose voters. Something that unites many white Hungarians at both sides of the political spectrum is their dislike for brown Hungarians.
What I meant was that they need to find their own themes to talk about, own issues to raise – not just react to whatever story Orban throws in for them.
The opposition should be proactive, not just reactive. Leaders are proactive, those who only react are seen as subordinate and as followers and voters don’t like to make leaders out of subordinate figures.
Here I have to agree with Marty again – just compare with Germany where the Greens are defining the topics of most discussions.
But I’m at a loss – what could a topic be where the Hungarian opposition could move forward?
Corruption?
Environment and climate change don’t seem to be of interest for most Hungarians though the piles of garbage everywhere should be of concern …
Imho the problem is that too many Hungarians are still caught in old 19th Century concepts – Talking with them about freedom from religion, LGBT, Liberalism in general is “Verlorene Liebesmüh”.
“…what could the topic be…”
Easy.
Kill the jews and confiscate their property.
Hajra Magyarok!
You need to dominate the media if you are to be the one who sets the public agenda, who defines the topics and the limits of the debate.
It is easy in the West where 90% of the media and the institutions are under the control of the liberal-left activists (parroting as journalists, academics, etc.) but in Orban’s Hungary it is the other way around.
no comment
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jan/23/soros-gives-1bn-to-fund-universities-and-stop-drift-towards-authoritarianism
Ovoda, again you’ve proved that you’re an idiotic troll! 🙂 🙂
The Guardian reports on this, Soros can spend his money however he likes.
But how do O1G’s family, Mészáros etc spend their billions – do the Hun media report on this at all?
PS:
Look up Murdoch and how he spends his money, the media that he owns and what they propagate.
OOr is he also a marxist globalist whatever … in your mind? 🙂 🙂
I’m afraid Murdoch is not extreme enough for membership in their club of fascist haters.
for Ovi (his words) the Murdoch media is “moderate left” ….
Nobody has yet shown the eternal goodwill of Bloomberg in spending billions to win the election.
My choice: Bloomberg with Buttigieg for VP.
In opposite to Orbán Soros a) didn’t steal the money and b) does something positive with his money.
OT: “Sramota! ”
http://nyugatifeny.hu/2020/01/23/hivatalos-magyarorszag-lett-az-europai-unio-masodik-legkorruptabb-allama
How bad, only the second place? Hungary first!
So Orbanistan has become
– the second most corrupt
– the send poorest, and
– the MOST UNHEALTHY EU country.
I guess we are at the top of WORST Category of we count the medals.
Imo we can win also in the “worst soccer”, most divided society”, etc disciplines.
Hajra!
‘There is no dream but deed, there is no deed but memory’..
..WB Dubois
What then can be remembered then of ‘that’ Magyarorszag?
Will that be the legacy for future generations?
A country which has lost its precious ‘character’.
no character…no dignity…no grace–but plenty of bullshit
http://www.mnlogcabin.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/logo_BigLeague_Politics_final_01.07.2017-300×228.jpg
BIG LEAGUE POLITICS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_League_Politics
WIKIQUOTE ··· “Big League Politics is a far-right American media website that traffics in conspiracy theories and has written favorably about white nationalists. It was founded by former Breitbart News employees. … The Wall Street Journal describes [BLP] as “backed by Republican operatives”.”
RACIST TROLLS ··· While the likes of SHEEPMAN [ovidiu] and ZED [zoli] are (marginally) less odious than the now-banished ick of BULLSHEEP, those Orbán fanboys do nothing other than provoke regular HS readers, especially with their often-racist droppings.
HS FORUM ··· Hungarian Spectrum is not a site for various ORBÁNISMS to plague with their fetid miasmas, it is a website that promotes a left POV that is distinctly antiOrbán. Contrary opinions can be entertained, however antithetical actions that are inherently hostile, ultimately countervalent, should not be countenanced.
BANISHMENT ··· Crawlies [eg: ovidiu, zoli] must be squished. They should not exist within HS. They are unhealthy.
MAGYARKOZÓ
Eva will not purge them exTor unless they clearly violate the posting rules she has established. I also believe she finds them useful as they reflect some of the Orbanist thought that dominates much of the media in Hungary.
I agree with you, István. What I writ reflects my feelings about S&Z, which happen to intersect most of the HS readership, which would like to see those two gone. Actually, SHEEPMAN [ovidiu] is quite smart and I dont mind reading his stuff sometimes, except when he gets stupid and posts something that is clearly racist.
EXTOR COMMENT RE ZOLI RACISM
https://hungarianspectrum.org/2020/01/22/doing-business-with-a-russian-company-the-sad-story-of-the-budapest-metro-cars/#comment-182492
The other half of S&Z is mostly okay, however he too gets stupid with his bits of racism. Read my comment. If ZED [zoli] just restrained himself a bit, he’d be more bearable.
MAGYARKOZÓ
Today’s piece like many on that topical theme of sordidness can be filed immediately under ‘Nostalgie de la boue’. As we can see some easily ooze and find themselves very ‘at-home’ with it. If this continually occurs as it appears it will Europe and the world can no longer look forward to the country contributing not one iota whatsoever to the ‘advancement’ of civilization through the arts or for human rights. It’s the bottom of ponds that awaits. Cultural life appears to be now defragged by a few so as to get at it quickly to control and direct. As if magyar culture must be bailiwick of only those literary and art elites functioning within a tired aristocracy. It must be the supreme arrogance in thinking only one group ‘owns’ and can ‘direct culture’ through a nationalist assembly line. And another item is getting tired. It is that crippling nationalist night and day droning ‘Ohrwurm’ which comes with bits of underlying fasci/commie business always thrown in. Stale as all hell. The magyar population : the populace might want to be reading the ‘Rights of Man’ by Paine. It’s a nice book on freedoms, governments and rule. And they could expand… Read more »
off topic – I was banned from Twitter long ago (after a row about Trump’s decision on “transgenders” in the army) and now I see exTor et al. wanting to deport me from Eva’s blog where I came as a poor Twitter-refugee.
Twitter has temporarily suspended the account of Spain’s VOX party (@vox_es, 2.7 million votes at the last general election in Spain) accusing it of “incitement to hate” in a row with the Socialist government, which is trying to force parents to submit their children to lessons in gender ideology. Vox had tweeted to the Socialist spokeswoman: “What we can’t stand is for you to come into our house and tell us how we have to live and how we have to educate our children. And even less if you promote pedophilia with public money.”
This is a sign of the times. When the means of communication are controlled by “woke” totalitarians, simply defending your family becomes “incitement to hate.”
Ovoda, you really are an idiot!
promote pedophilia with public money
Do you mean the largest pedophile gang in the world aka the catholic priesthood?
Estimates range between four and 7%!!! Thousands of them – and inother churches too …
Now you could do something there maybe?
I’ve explained you a dozen times. The Catholic Church has a problem primarily with homosexuality. The overwhelming majority of the victims of the priests are teenagers boys (14-17 years old and also +18, 18-21 seminarians).
Gender ideology has started targeting children. Some links at random, do more search yourself, plenty of info on the net.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5075779/Drag-queens-visit-nursery-schools-teach-LGBT.html
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/lgbt-community-celebrates-8-year-old-drag-queen.-critics-call-it-child-abus
Again a quote from the Daily Heil – next will be the Excess and the Scum surely … 🙂 🙂
Nonsense is not strong enough a word!
ovoda, you really are an idiot spouting unbelievable nonsense!
Despite repeated studies showing no connection between homosexuality and pedophilia, some Catholic bishops and conservative church media outlets have laid the blame for the sexual abuse on homosexuality inside the church.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/21/world/europe/catholic-church-sex-abuse.html
EXTOR COMMENT ABOUT SHEEPMAN & ZED
https://hungarianspectrum.org/2020/01/23/viktor-orban-entrusts-hungarian-culture-to-the-far-right/#comment-182585
RACIST REACTIONARY REFUGEE ··· I may have to retract the bit of a compliment that I gave you [above]. You cry ‘woe is me’ re having been banished by Twitter, thereby promoting some presumed true persona, then the real you is manifest with your implication that gender education is the equivalent of pedophilia. You are a reactionary and a hater.
TWITTER SUSPENSIONS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_suspensions
Twitter bans those on the left, not just on the right, however most of the repugs are rightwing, which is where you live. Get over it. What Spain’s Vox said is hate speech. You need to educate yourself about how hate works.
MAGYARKOZÓ
Yes, 55 years ago when I was at university our motto was:
No tolerance for the enemies of tolerance!
At all others:
For a moment I thought ovoda was our old “friend” from politics in Hungary aka leto, but there are too many difference in “style”. 🙂 🙂
When I was in university at about the same time,
our motto was…put your head between your knees and kiss your ass goodbye!
“You are a reactionary and a hater.”
Maybe so, but you try being more “inclusive”, lest you prove right Carl Schmitt’s friend/enemy distinction.
SHEEPMAN RECOMMENDS FASCIST CARL SCHMITT
https://hungarianspectrum.org/2020/01/21/a-propaganda-stunt-attack-on-gypsies-lawyers-and-prisoners/#comment-182373
CARL SCHMITT BLUEPRINT FOR NEW AUTHORITARIANISM
https://theconversation.com/carl-schmitt-nazi-era-philosopher-who-wrote-blueprint-for-new-authoritarianism-59835
REHABILITATION OF CARL SCHMITT
https://www.newstatesman.com/2019/04/terrifying-rehabilitation-nazi-scholar-carl-schmitt
YOU ARE WHOM YOU BEFRIEND ··· The “you are what you eat” saying became popular in the 1960s. More important is the “be careful of whom you befriend” admonishment.
SHEEPMAN SHOVELS SCHMITT ··· Perhaps more intelligent than Donald Trump, though hardly less narcissistic, SHEEPMAN recommends the words [above] of a Nazi, someone who helped Hitler gain power. What I think of his departed mentor is alternate-letter spelled in Carl’s family name: SHIT.
SCHMITT’S SHIT ··· Link above to the pearls proffered by our fash swine. My antiOrbán takeaway: KNOW YOUR ENEMIES. GO AFTER THEM. HARD.
MAGYARKOZÓ
It is startling to realize the similarities between the inclinations of Hitler and Trump…
Poor refugee, since you have a problem with women, gays and especially human sexuality and your lies you spread here I am sure that twitter made a very responsible decision.
And I am pretty convinced that the Spanish government doesn’t do anything worse than the Warwickshire County Council that according to you wanted to teach “how to masturbate”, while in fact the council wanted to “talk to children about private activities should only happen in private spaces.” https://hungarianspectrum.org/2019/09/24/the-perfectly-balanced-hungarian-media-and-climate-change/#comment-173773
Of course fascists are fascinated by pregnant teenage girls, so it is “against families” to educate pupils. Since hateful actions are the 1st choice of your kind I am convinced that twitter made an even responsible decision concerning the small Spanish party as in your case.
Just to show what’s going on today – I collected quotes from ovoda here:
Ovidiu –The Greta’s are going to slay the Ovika1G’s… Yeah, if she ever gets to puberty. She is 16 but she looks as a 12 year old, she may want to see an endocrinologist as well for retarded puberty.
“..Luisa-Marie Neubauer, a well-known environmental activist from Germany. ”
She is one of Greta’s primary handlers. Left alone the poor thing won’t connect two sentences without breaking into a panic attack or some other neurotic fit.
Nah, I am not a member of Greta’s apocalyptic sect.
I have already adapted, as you know, now if we only could get Greta a good psychiatrist.
Compare this to
The Prince of Wales has met teenage climate activist Greta Thunberg at the World Economic Forum in Davos.
The pair were introduced after Prince Charles delivered a speech at the event in Switzerland, where sustainability is the main theme.
A “paradigm shift” is needed in the way the world deals with climate change, he said.
He outlined an initiative to encourage “rapid” decarbonisation and a shift towards sustainable markets.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51211853
This article also has some nice pictures …
Wolfi, is the prince of Wales another marxist????
Leave the Prince be–his mother loves him.
Told you that I have warmed up a degree or two to these ideas since Kurz came out with “We have to protect the environment and the borders as well”….In fact the best way to prevent the further degradation of the environment in the very small and crowded Europe (and UK, an island) is to stop entirely the immigration, stop the further increase of population through immigration. I am on board now.
We live in the Schengen area, Romania is not admitted to this group yet. For us, as we live within Schengen, it is no secret that the borders to other Schengen countries are open and the outer borders must be protected (valid law since the Schengen treaty came in force). This includes the fact that according the situation today Hungary has to protect the border to Romania. Austria is surrounded by other Schengen countries. Without seashore this reduces the outer borders to the Austrian airports. Can’t be that hard to protect the airport checkpoints! Or Kurz just made a silly comment to silence the racists among his voters. BTW protecting the outer borders neither means not to let in anybody who got a visa for immigration, nor to refuse entry to those persons applying for international protection. All these persons may enter at the protected Austrian airports.
István, not only the airports – mainly the motorways and they are usually clogged, waiting times up to an hour if you arrive from the Balkan, say on the motorway 1 from Bp to Vienna. Btw the same goes for the German motorways in the South – all of which are connected to Austria! I’ve taken to using smaller roads (Bundesstraßen) where usually there are no border checks and this also gives me the chance to fill up with cheap Austrian petrol so I was really surprised last time when I came from Linz via Braunau (yes, that town …) to get to Munich and there was a stop after the bridge over the Inn. The police didn’t want to see your papers like some years ago, they probably just used their computers – but it was really slow traffic. PS: On the way from Germany to Austria and from Austria to Hungary there are no checks unless in the good old times … I still remember how bad it was 40 years ago in the summer season, going to Yugoslavia or Greece on holiday you had to wait first at the Austrian border, then at the Italian border and… Read more »