Sex video or not, Orbán wanted Borkai in Győr

Fascinating new details emerged yesterday about the handling of the Borkai sex scandal that implicate the top Fidesz leadership, including the “boss,” Viktor Orbán.

To summarize the story that I covered innumerable times, Zsolt Borkai, the Fidesz mayor of the city of Győr ever since 2006, found himself in an untenable situation. A few days before the October municipal elections in which his victory was practically guaranteed, a video was uploaded to the internet which depicted a lewd sex scene on a yacht on the Adriatic. The devoted family man of the highest Christian values was caught having sex with prostitutes. After a confusing interlude during which the Fidesz leadership didn’t quite know what to do, the decision was made to keep Borkai in the race. Disappointed Fidesz voters remained at home, and Borkai, who normally won with an overwhelming majority, this time got only 646 votes more than a very weak DK candidate supported by all the opposition parties. Shortly after this less than illustrious victory, the Fidesz leadership decided that to allow the tarnished Borkai to remain mayor of an important Hungarian city was out of the question. He was forced to resign. Hence, the by-election to be held in Győr tomorrow.

Győr City Hall

The disclosure of a hitherto unknown, embarrassing scandal is a nightmare for political parties. It often happens that the party leadership is totally unprepared for what’s coming, resulting in a cacophony of discordant voices and actions. When the Borkai scandal made headlines, observers assumed that the Fidesz bigwigs had been unaware of Borkai’s affairs and that therefore, under the circumstances, days before the election, they couldn’t do anything else but allow Borkai to face the electorate. But it turned out that this wasn’t the case.

András Dezső of Index, who is one of the best investigative journalists in Hungary today, wrote an article revealing that the highest echelons of Fidesz, including Viktor Orbán, knew about the existence of the sex video as early as September 2018 — that is, a whole year before the election. All this came to light from Borkai’s testimony during the police investigation of the case currently underway.

It was during the weekend of May 20, 2018 that Borkai and his friends had their fun on the Adriatic. By the fall, he received a message from Ágnes Molnár, an MP and high Fidesz official in charge of the region, that Gábor Kubatov, the party’s director, would like to talk to him at a “safe location.” Eventually they met in a restaurant, at a time when they were the only customers. The whole meeting lasted only three or four minutes. Kubatov informed Borkai about the existence of the video and told him that it was likely that the video would emerge sometime prior to the municipal elections in 2019. However, he said, what one can see on the video is a “private affair” which poses no danger either for Borkai or for Fidesz. He told Borkai that Fidesz would not get involved and that he himself would have to take care of the mess he created.

Borkai was in a total panic. This was the first time he had heard about the existence of a video. He knew that photos were circulating, but he had no idea that one of the prostitutes also used her telephone as a video camera. He turned to several leading politicians in Fidesz, like Lajos Kósa and Máté Kocsis, for advice. In the spring of 2019, Borkai again talked to Kubatov, expressing his fear of the consequences of the video becoming public one day. Apparently, Kubatov assured him again that according to the “boss,” meaning Viktor Orbán, he should calm down “because if the subject becomes public in the election campaign, then the right-wing media will block the news.” In plain English, Orbán’s lackey media will not cover the story. A large part of the population will simply know nothing about it.

According to an anonymous Fidesz informant, the resulting chaos was Gábor Kubatov’s fault, although from Borkai’s description it looks as if Viktor Orbán also thought that, scandal or not, Borkai could take Győr, which was their overriding consideration. Kubatov, who began his working life as an auto mechanic, ended up as a top Fidesz leader who has been a “party director” ever since 2006. He was responsible for the huge Fidesz victory at the 2006 municipal elections when his name was associated with illegal voters’ lists. I read somewhere that he is considered to be the sixth most important man in the party. However, according to Fidesz informants, after the Győr fiasco, both he and his second-in-command, Ágnes Molnár, have been under a cloud.

If the report of András Dezső is correct, and my impression is that by and large it is, the real culprit is not Kubatov, who was just the messenger, but “the boss.” How could Orbán misjudge the situation so badly? Some people found it odd, as did Ildikó Lendvai (MSZP), that despite Fidesz’s knowledge of the sex video’s existence, Orbán insisted on his continuing as mayor of Győr. What does Borkai know about the top brass in Fidesz and how many illegal things did he do for them? Somehow I don’t think that the present police investigation, which was confirmed by Chief Prosecutor Péter Polt, will give us the answers.

Meanwhile the election tomorrow is extremely important for Fidesz’s political future. If they lose Győr, it will mean that, of the larger Hungarian cities, only Debrecen will remain a Fidesz stronghold. If the old Fidesz hand Csaba András Dézsi cannot convince the electorate that, under his watch, the city will not be a center of corruption as it was during Borkai’s tenure, then we will know that the problem the party encountered in Győr doesn’t have much to do with the sex scandal. The cause must lie elsewhere, perhaps in the arrogant Fidesz culture of which the electorate is becoming tired.

On the surface, Dézsi’s chances are very good. He has been a member of the city council since 1998 and has won his district with large majorities. He tries to present himself as a man who opposed Borkai’s leadership style, but I heard him defend the administration by claiming that he as a member of city council would have known about any shady business affairs if they existed. But they didn’t. It is also worrisome that he will not look into any possible past corruption cases because it is not the job of the mayor. Many people in Győr are put off by Dézsi’s insistence on being only a part-time mayor since he plans to continue his medical practice. Personally, I found him far too self-assured and arrogant. On the other hand, the opposition candidate, Balázs Pollreisz (MSZP), has been described as a “reluctant” candidate whose appeal is somewhat limited. Moreover, if elected, he would have to work with an overwhelmingly Fidesz city council.

An opposition victory in Győr would give an incredible boost to the opposition parties and would be an incredible blow to Fidesz. Mérce, in a long article, sought an answer to the question “Will Győr be another Vásárhely?,” referring the great opposition win of Péter Márki-Zay in Hódmezővásárhely, but at the end the author doesn’t dare to express an opinion on the matter. I myself don’t have enough “feel” for the place and the mood to predict a winner. But considering that Dézsi won his district in 2014 with 61.14%, in 2010 with 64.9%, and in 2006 with 54.82%, if this time if he wins by a much smaller margin, it will be a warning to Fidesz that life has changed, even in Győr.

January 25, 2020
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Roger Király
Roger Király
January 25, 2020 7:35 pm

“The disclosure of a hitherto unknown, embarrassing scandal is a nightmare for political parties.” Well, not for US Republicans…

January 26, 2020 2:30 am

Can we compare this to the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal? – of course not, in Hungary a politician like Borkai is congratulated on his accomplishments!
I wonder who paid for that yacht and the girls surely weren’t cheap either …
What would be interesting to see is the role of the VW/Audi bosses – did they know about this? Did they pay Borkai?
Or did they want Borkai gone?
PS:
VW is also known for many shady deals …

István
István
January 26, 2020 3:56 am
Reply to  wolfi7777

Wolfi, the prostitutes got EU grants. One for her “bridal shop”, the other for her business organising “complex events”, 1 500 000 Ft each. This was at the time more than a median nets yearly household income (again for each of them).

Of course you can’t compare Clinton with Borkai. “I fell in love with my boss” Lewinsky said many years later and as much as we know Clinton is nobody who is rejecting attractive women. What 2 adults do together according to their free decision should not be the concern of justice. That this has been abused as political weapon in a trial has nothing to do with justice at all. The real problem began when Clinton was questioned without any reason and told that he had “no sexual relationship” with her. I also had consensual sex with adult women, but no prosecutor was ever interested in this fact. The Borkai prostitutes didn’t fall in love with Borkai, but with the EU grants – a crime. Borkai took cocaine on the trip and used it – another crime. Not to talk about the other corruption affairs during his time as mayor.

Ovidiu
Ovidiu
January 26, 2020 4:46 am
Reply to  wolfi7777

You can’t compare. Clinton was impeached for lying under oath to the grand jury but did not resign, Borkai never denied and resigned.

István
István
January 26, 2020 5:37 am
Reply to  Ovidiu

The 1st scandal was that a grand jury was investigating consensual oral interaction (59% of Americans thought this is no sex in 1991) between adult citizens. That Clinton denied was only the 2nd scandal. As I wrote above that Borkai had sex with prostitutes is only of interest, because of his constant “morality” preaching. Clinton was always known for his interest in women and never told others to live “christian values”. The Borkai corruption is a very different case of course and don’t forget to mention that he was resigned by Orbán, who BTW is not known as womaniser, but as even more corrupt than Borkai.

petofi
petofi
January 28, 2020 1:11 am
Reply to  István

What was herr Clinton to do? Hillary was taking all his women!

January 26, 2020 6:03 am
Reply to  Ovidiu

Ovoda, you really are an a**hole!
Don’t you remember when he resigned?
And don’t forget about the other aspects:
Who paid for the girls, for the boat and the cocaine?
But we know that you’re not interested in these subtle points – thanks for proving your idiotic ***expletive deleted*** again!
And now we’re waiting for the election results – what will they tell us about the bunkó paraszt? Is their number still big enough for another Fidesz mafioso to win?

Istvan (chicago)
January 26, 2020 10:05 am
Reply to  wolfi7777

Roger jumps to President Trump’s current impeachment and from there the discussion flows to President Clinton’s indiscretions for comparison purposes with Zsolt Borkai. There in nothing new here relating to any such scandals in the USA. But there once was a time when using Party girls or prostitutes by high public officials was not reported on by the media in the USA at all. The media has attempted to become the sword of morality globally, why is not exactly clear to me. During the Vietnam War high raking US Army officers and hardened war correspondents often shared the same cohorts of prostitutes. The high end of South Vietnamese prostitution was in my opinion modeled on Madame Nhu who was French educated widely believed to be the concubine of President Ngô Đình Diệm, but was the wife of one his closest advisors. After the President’s murder and his advisor she moved back to France. The bulk of the bar girls were poor peasant girls that the average US soldiers had sex with, the reporters and higher ranking officers had more refined and exotic girls. Really how could the media cover this aspect of our moral degeneracy when they were themselves also… Read more »

petofi
petofi
January 28, 2020 1:13 am

Newspapers must sell…they’ll turn out anything nowdays.

István
István
January 26, 2020 3:18 am

It is very hard to predict what the results in today’s Győr elections will be indeed. Another time the question is how far the state party media limits knowledge of the voters. I am extremely surprised when people are only talking about sex with prostitutes. Although I understand that it is a juicy fact when a promoter of “christian family values” is caught with prostitutes this is concerning the private life of a couple of persons only. That the prostitutes were paid with EU grants is a crime that is has already a very different quality – and is widely not mentioned. And about the way higher level of corruption all over the city and through the long period of FIDESZ rule? We could know so much about the illegal business in Győr. This should be the central question during the elections, but it isn’t.

bimbi
bimbi
January 26, 2020 4:08 am

Could someone explain what the current “police investigation” entails? What is being investigated? Surely not a bit of rumpy-pumpy on a boat in foreign waters? The guy was on vacation, after all. On the other hand, I bet there is absolutely no investigation of the corrupt land deals in and around Györ during R P Borkai’s previous “service” as mayor. What gives?

Ovidiu
Ovidiu
January 26, 2020 4:38 am
Reply to  bimbi

‘he had no idea that one of the prostitutes also used her telephone as a video camera.’

Maybe they investigate who paid the prostitute to secretly record the video, or maybe they know already but they wait for the by-election to pass before bringing charges.

bimbi
bimbi
January 26, 2020 4:51 am
Reply to  Ovidiu

@Invidious, 4:38 am
“…secretly record the video,…” What evidence do you have that the recording, as you assert, was made secretly? Ah! I thought so, none. Perhaps it was the wish of R P Borkai to have his prowess on record for his (secret?) personal video library…? We shall never know.
Please don’t make unsubstantiated assertions.

Ovidiu
Ovidiu
January 26, 2020 4:56 am
Reply to  bimbi

well, Eva says that in her post, that he had no idea

István
István
January 26, 2020 5:26 am
Reply to  Ovidiu

Éva wrote based on the index article that Borkai only knew about the photos, not about the video. Perhaps bimbi should have commented “Perhaps it was the wish of R P Borkai to have his prowess on record for his (secret?) personal” photo album.

“Sőt, Borkai Kubatovtól tudta meg, hogy videófelvétel is létezik – a polgármester addig csak fotókat látott az adriai orgiáról.”

Ovidiu
Ovidiu
January 26, 2020 5:37 am
Reply to  Ovidiu

It is also likely true. You can see from the recording that the video is shot from the hip. She started recording but kept the phone casually in the hand, not as when aiming to film.

bimbi
bimbi
January 26, 2020 9:01 am
Reply to  Ovidiu

@Invidious, 4:56 am
Well, ain’t that nice. You really do believe everything you read on Hungarian Spectrum…

bimbi
bimbi
January 26, 2020 8:58 am
Reply to  Eva S. Balogh

@Eva S. Balogh, 8:15 am
I really had a belly laugh at this clarification. My word! That really was an expensive orgasm what with another € 30,000 thrown on top of what he already laid out. Still, you have to admit:

FIDESZ ADMINISTRATORS DO IT IN STYLE!

wrfree
wrfree
January 26, 2020 9:41 am
Reply to  bimbi

Re: all the ‘rumpy-pumpy’ or can we say ‘humpty-pumpy’…

Now that really tells it where it’s at. What a ‘boggle de botch’ eh? Or a cock-up? 😎
And if Fidesz loses Gyor or anything else there’ll be more of the humpty dumptys running around ……certainly with the ‘hump’. The irritability scale will go sky high.

Ovidiu
Ovidiu
January 26, 2020 9:25 am
Reply to  Eva S. Balogh

It is also private/personal data obtained and distributed without consent, so who did it and participated in its distribution are liable.

bimbi
bimbi
January 26, 2020 9:33 am
Reply to  Ovidiu

@Invidious, 9:25 am
“liable”? Sure. Liable to make a profit of € 30,000
Nice wuk when you can get it.

Ovidiu
Ovidiu
January 26, 2020 9:40 am
Reply to  Ovidiu

No, bambi, liable for breaking the law on the protection of personal data.
While it can be argued that it was in the public’s interest such argument is quite weak in this case and anyway it has to be balanced against the obvious private nature of situation.

István
István
January 26, 2020 10:05 am
Reply to  Ovidiu

Óvoda, you are a great defender of the regime. You know the crimes committed by those who are not part of the regime, but you don’t mention with a single word the corruption in the Borkai case. You are exactly working as Polt!

January 26, 2020 10:22 am
Reply to  Ovidiu

Should we compare this to what you “obvious a**hole” wrote about Greta?
In case you forgot:
Ovidiu –The Greta’s are going to slay the Ovika1G’s… Yeah, if she ever gets to puberty. She is 16 but she looks as a 12 year old, she may want to see an endocrinologist as well for retarded puberty.
“..Luisa-Marie Neubauer, a well-known environmental activist from Germany. ”
She is one of Greta’s primary handlers. Left alone the poor thing won’t connect two sentences without breaking into a panic attack or some other neurotic fit …
I have already adapted, as you know, now if we only could get Greta a good psychiatrist.

Btw Luisa-Marie Neubauer is a 23 years old student …

Ovidiu
Ovidiu
January 26, 2020 10:22 am
Reply to  Ovidiu

I criticized Borkai when this subject first came at HS. No doubt, he damaged Fidesz greatly because the sort of people who support Fidesz do not take lightly such cases, they aren’t Budapest-style easygoing (or decadent if want) liberals. Such cases trigger a punitive response from Fidesz’s very own supporters.
Let’s recall that Erdogan was punished by his own supporters after he ordered a re-run of the mayoral race in Istanbul. He lost even in Fatih and Uskudar -the most conservative districts of Istanbul. His supporters have sent him the message that he can do anything as long as he has a democratic mandate for it but he can not call into question democracy itself and begin to act as he pleases.

bimbi
bimbi
January 26, 2020 12:00 pm
Reply to  Ovidiu

@Invidious 10:22 am
“…because the sort of people who support Fidesz do not take lightly such cases…”
C’mon, Invidious, sex is like corruption for Hungarians – it is only bad when they are not “in” on the action.
Am I right or am I right?

Ovidiu
Ovidiu
January 26, 2020 12:07 pm
Reply to  bimbi

bambi, you are merely cute, told you that before

January 26, 2020 12:18 pm
Reply to  bimbi

How should ovoda know?
He’s probably never been to Hungary at all – maybe as a tourist on a short trip to BP which btw is the center of the European porn productions and also has a lot of sex businesses, well look after by the polices as someone told me once …
Maybe he was involved there? 🙂 🙂
PS:
Still waiting for an answer re his comments on Greta – but of course he’s neither Prince Charles nor Obama so never had a chance to talk with her …

Ovidiu
Ovidiu
January 26, 2020 12:25 pm
Reply to  wolfi7777

“never had a chance to talk with her …”

Thank God !

István
István
January 26, 2020 12:36 pm
Reply to  bimbi

“Am I right or am I right?”

Your very right!

Ovidiu
Ovidiu
January 26, 2020 12:57 pm
Reply to  István

right about himself, he is projecting

István
István
January 26, 2020 1:00 pm
Reply to  Ovidiu

Óvoda, when do you start to learn at least a little bit about Hungary?

bimbi
bimbi
January 26, 2020 1:16 pm
Reply to  Ovidiu

@Invidious, 12:57 pm
“…he is projecting.” Don’t please accuse me of R P Borkai’s sins. That was his problem exactly.

tappanch
tappanch
January 26, 2020 5:12 am

Happy Chinese New Year !

In a pharmacy in Budapest on January 25:

Tappanch: I would like to buy some face masks.
Pharmacist: We have run out of masks. There is a general shortage.
Our Chinese customers have bought up all of them.

Tappanch: Do yo have a lot of Chinese buyers?
Pharmacist: About a quarter of our customers are Chinese these days.
They all already have Hungarian addresses and health care cards (TAJ szám)

tappanch
tappanch
January 26, 2020 5:18 am
Reply to  tappanch

“Coronavirus contagious even in incubation stage, China’s health authority says”

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3047701/coronavirus-contagious-even-incubation-stage-chinas-health

“Virus-hit Wuhan has two laboratories linked to Chinese bio-warfare program”

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/24/virus-hit-wuhan-has-two-laboratories-linked-chines/

Number of direct flights from China to Budapest in a week:
9 in 2019, 11 from January 2020.

https://www.origo.hu/nagyvilag/20191105-szijjarto-peter-ujabb-ket-kinai-varosbol-indul-kozvetlen-repulojarat-budapestre.html

Ovidiu
Ovidiu
January 26, 2020 7:25 am
Reply to  tappanch

“linked to Chinese bio-warfare program”

spreading such “news”, which quickly go viral despite any proof, are linked to the US psychological-warfare program

tappanch
tappanch
January 26, 2020 5:24 am
Reply to  tappanch

“A reliable source told Miles Guo today that the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) will admit to the public of an “accidental” leak of the virus from a P4 lab to put blames on “human errors”. But the official announcement is still being finalized.”

comment image

https://gnews.org/89749/

Marty
Marty
January 26, 2020 10:54 am

@ “What does Borkai know about the top brass in Fidesz and how many illegal things did he do for them? Somehow I don’t think that the present police investigation, which was confirmed by Chief Prosecutor Péter Polt, will give us the answers.”

Borkai and his friends pocketed about 15bn forint under the very lowest of estimates during Borkai’s decade long tenure (possibly as high as 30bn).

Nobody can seriously think that in this regime (in which Fidesz is being micromanaged and is full of informants) Orban would allow that amount of stealing without the obligation to donate to the boss’ coffers.

István
István
January 26, 2020 12:41 pm
Reply to  Marty

“Nobody can seriously think that in this regime (in which Fidesz is being micromanaged and is full of informants) Orban would allow that amount of stealing without the obligation to donate to the boss’ coffers.”

True of course! And this is the reason why no corruption will be found by the investigations, just sex, lies and an 10 000 000 Ft videotape.

Michael Detreköy
Michael Detreköy
January 26, 2020 11:10 am

If you are able to lay aside the tabloid angles for a while, this is actually a post with interesting perspectives. The idea that this seemingly local, yet (organisation-wise) obviously national but also international incident, has an undiscovered criminal connection is by no means far fetched. Borkai must be assumed to have held a representative position of some capacity, on behalf of some of the local industrial partners. The location alone indicates an interesting perspective. Why? Because the narrow international maritime belt of the Adriatic is one of the hotbeds for exchange of clandestine fortunes and goods, as part of a wide variety of criminal activities, traditionally involving mainly international organized crime. But since the Russian attacks on Ukraine, for which serious economic EU-sanctions on trade with Russia were imposed, a new Mediterranean black market has evolved. Nobody knows the exact extent of this market, but it is certainly profitable enough to prompt otherwise legitimate businesses to risk involvement. I have written about this several times before, and I believe there are a number of indications, pointing in the direction of possible HU involvement in this highly lucrative black market and some time ago, Éva wrote about HU Foreign Ministry… Read more »

István
István
January 26, 2020 1:03 pm

Voters in Győr weren’t very interested in the elections. 41.24% voted today, last October it had been 43.09%.

Ovidiu
Ovidiu
January 26, 2020 1:13 pm
Reply to  István

not good news for Fidesz, the Borkai-effect may have kicked in

István
István
January 26, 2020 2:03 pm
Reply to  István

At this moment Dézsi is leading with 55% (28% of votes counted)

István
István
January 26, 2020 2:09 pm
Reply to  István

Practically the same result with 51% counted votes

István
István
January 26, 2020 2:20 pm
Reply to  István

66.67% counted and Dézsi at 55.53%

István
István
January 26, 2020 2:30 pm
Reply to  István

56% for Dézsi, 84.38% counted

István
István
January 26, 2020 3:04 pm
Reply to  Eva S. Balogh

Seen the fact that Dézsi already 2002 ran and lost against the MSZP candidate he finally realised an 18-year-old dream I am afraid he will stick to power. If you add the fact that you need permission from Orbán to become candidate he needs to be “reliable” in the mafia sense of the word. Add last but not least the denial of any corruption of Borkai. I can’t see any reason that Győr will get a good mayor.

Marty
Marty
January 26, 2020 3:14 pm
Reply to  István

56 vs. 39. This is a real hammering, let’s face it.

Pollreisz lost a lot of votes compared to Glazer (who was also an unknown) but Dézsi increased the number of voters compared to what Borkai got.

In other words, the opposition has no GOTV machinery, the opposition voters just didn’t care.

This does not bode well for the future of the opposition.

And Győr is not Zalaegerszeg or Debrecen or Sopron (places where no left wing candidate could win in almost 30 years), losing after the Borkai scandal so badly…This is really sad.

István
István
January 26, 2020 3:51 pm
Reply to  Marty

Last year we had the video effect. With less candidates the small Összefogás Győrért Egyesület got alone as many votes as all the small parties and independents today together (included Mi Hazánk now, but without their participation in 2019). And in October there was another local organisation with more than 8%, this didn’t participate now. So all opposition votes were clearly more than those for FIDESZ – or in this very case for Borkai. Now we had a hard working propaganda machine and a FIDESZ candidate that declared himself clean. The lower number of voters correspondents with the lower number of voters for the united opposition, the higher number of votes for FIDESZ with the lower number of votes for the local parties. Of course it is no 1:1 explanation, but we all know that there is no real chance that a FIDESZ believer votes for a “left” candidate, even not if the mayor is acting as pornstar, this might declare the high results for the locals last time. Obviously Pollreisz was not attractive enough to leave home to cast a vote for those who are disappointed. Yes, it is really sad, but also shows the condition of our country.

Ovidiu
Ovidiu
January 26, 2020 3:59 pm
Reply to  Marty

Cheer up. It also means that Fidesz’ recent loses in many urban centers are not due to local factors but systemic, due to a growing anti-Fidesz stance. It won’t be easy to reverse these changes until 2022.

January 26, 2020 3:19 pm
Reply to  Eva S. Balogh

One more case of (too many …) Hungarians choosing the losing side – and afterwards complaining?
Of course Győr is relatively well off, but still …
How close is/was the connection between Borkai and Dézsi?

Ovidiu
Ovidiu
January 26, 2020 3:43 pm
Reply to  Eva S. Balogh

In retrospect (hindsight is 20/20) Orban played well this one. Had Borkai withdrawn immediately when the scandal broke out Fidesz would have lost this town. But it is clear now that the people in Gyor vote the party not the person.

István
István
January 26, 2020 3:58 pm
Reply to  Ovidiu

You are funny! Learn something about Hungarian law! If Borkai had withdrawn before the 2019 elections FIDESZ would have been unable to send another candidate into the race. But FIDESZ voters do not vote for FIDESZ, they only vote for Orbán, this is why Orbán can select a garbage can as candidate.

István
István
January 26, 2020 3:24 pm
Reply to  István

The results:
Dézsi (FIDESZ) 23 932 votes = 56.14%
Pollreisz (MSZP-DK-MOMENTUM-JOBBIK-LMP) 16 646 votes = 39.05%
Balla (Összefogás Győrért Egyesület) 923 votes = 2.17%
Géber (Mi Hazánk) 546 votes = 1.28%
Hajnal (independent) 325 votes = 0.76%
Kirchfeld (independent) 257 votes = 0.6%

January 26, 2020 3:43 pm
Reply to  István

Voter participation in %?
I can’t find it in the news …

January 28, 2020 7:16 am
Reply to  István

That’s another sure indicator that Hungary is not a democracy – people know who rules and there’s no chance to vote them out, so they give up …
It’s similar in the USA, less than 50% voter participation generally.

Aida
Aida
January 26, 2020 5:40 pm
Reply to  Eva S. Balogh

Thank you Eva for both. The one with the bishop was very interesting from start to finish. I do not think the Christian churches have understood their place in society. The bishop has tried to make that point.
He has however identified that in Hungary they have been put into an unsustainable role by Orban. He confirmed my belief that Orban is a Kadarist but without Kadar’s more engaging characteristics.

Istvan (chicago)
January 26, 2020 10:35 pm
Reply to  Eva S. Balogh

I am having trouble with the download, but I will listen eventually. The Bishop sounds very much like the Pope who has called for consolidation of parishs globally. The critical factor is always defining what a practicing Catholic is. I am considered a lapsed Catholic by some priests, but there has never been any effort to deny me Communion or Confession. Certainly my parish accepts my monthly contribution. I am lapsed primarily because I admit to not attending mass every Sunday and have not followed the marriage rules.

I am glad that Eva who seems to be a secular person can determine who is a real Christian from amongst the 14 current Catholic Bishops in Hungary (17 with three Hungarian Greek Catholic Bishops). Just because you are a crook, or a racist, hypocrite, or an Orban supporter does not necessarily disqualify one from being a Christian. All can be redeemed of their sins in the name of Jesus.

Michael Detreköy
Michael Detreköy
January 26, 2020 4:23 pm
Reply to  Eva S. Balogh

That’s a good video, and very typical of the benign satire by non-Hungarian media.

January 26, 2020 1:48 pm

My wife is watching a water polo game: Hungary vs Spain.
In the intermissions they have news – but not one single word on the elections in Györ – strange, or not?

Ovidiu
Ovidiu
January 26, 2020 5:19 pm

Why red and blue America can’t hear each other anymore
By Francis Fukuyama, Jan 24 2020

“Failure to appreciate the legitimate grounds for resentment by populist voters is a general failure of liberals everywhere, from Turkey and Hungary to Britain and the United States, and one of the reasons they keep losing elections”

if you have subscription to Washington Post :

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/01/24/why-red-blue-america-cant-hear-each-other-anymore/

if you haven’t, but only part of the article :

https://osint.geekcq.com/2020/01/26/why-red-and-blue-america-cant-hear-each-other-anymore/