ATV has a daily half-an-hour program called “The News of the Day” where one of the journalists from the television station normally talks with three people (politicians, journalists, and political commentators) who are supposed to comment on issues raised by the station’s staff. On January 23, one of the invited guests was Péter Niedermüller (DK), mayor of District VII (Erzsébetváros). The topic was the Orbán regime’s antagonism toward and exclusion of groups that don’t belong to the majority. This is what Niedermüller said: “If we look at what remains once you strip off those hated ones we already mentioned here, the non-Hungarians, the ‘others’, the migrants, the Roma, and I don’t know who else, then remains only a grim formation in the middle. These are the white, Christian, heterosexual males—pardon me, there are some women among them. This is [Fidesz’s] ideal picture of a family. This is terrible because if we look around in the world, we can see that the so-called white nationalists are made up of precisely this group, I’m sorry to say.” I watched the program, and nobody present seemed to be upset over Niedermüller’s comment.
Two days later, however, Balázs Gulyás, a “conservative” critic of the Orbán government currently working for Magyar Hang, the successor to the defunct Magyar Nemzet, published an article in which he accused Niedermüller of attacking Christian heterosexual males. Magyar Hang wanted to know from the Demokratikus Koalíció “whether the deputy chairman [Niedermüller] will suffer any consequences as a result of his questionable statement.” DK responded, but its answer was not satisfactory as far as the editors of Magyar Hang were concerned. They accused DK of distorting the meaning of Niedermüller’s words when it claimed that “Péter Niedermüller spoke of Fidesz’s worldview, which has a great deal in common with the thinking of nationalists—exclusion, creation of enemies, and racism—and such a Weltanschauung may result in a world in which only white, heterosexual men remain.” Once Magyar Hang got hold of the story, it wouldn’t let it go and kept insisting on a video debate between Balázs Gulyás and Péter Niedermüller, a call DK ignored.
On January 28, Péter Niedermüller accepted an invitation by Egon Rónai of “Egyenes Beszéd,” ATV’s signature political program, during which Rónai tried to convince him that he should apologize. Niedermüller refused his request, to Rónai’s annoyance. A day later, the Hungarian Conference of Catholic Bishops condemned the DK politician’s words, which they found unacceptable from an elected official. Katalin Novák also published an article in which she protested “the hate-mongering words of Péter Niedermüller.” As a commentator noted, “although the larger part of the population couldn’t recite the Lord’s Player, whenever someone attacks Christianity, they are ready to act.”
Niedermüller, I think it’s fair to say, made a stupid political mistake, one that Fidesz was more than ready to capitalize on. Zsolt Bayer, the most strident racist around, began organizing a demonstration in front of the district’s city hall against “the racist” Niedermüller.
Meanwhile, public debate began about what Niedermüller actually said or didn’t say. Some people on the left considered the statement absolutely clear and were glad that Niedermüller stuck to his guns. Others thought that, although they knew what Niedermüller wanted to say, the sentence was not clear, and it could easily be misinterpreted. In any case, Magyar Hang gave Fidesz an opportunity to organize an assault against the whole opposition by recasting Niedermüller’s message against discrimination to its advantage. Péter Németh, the former editor-in-chief of Népszava, in an opinion piece compared the Niedermüller affair to the case that prompted Ferenc Gyurcsány’s downfall in 2006, the Balatonőszöd speech.
Not exactly a young crowd
Officially, the organizers of yesterday’s demonstration were the Budapest Fidesz and Fidelitas, but the national Fidesz government was represented as well. István Hollik (KDNP), the former government spokesman, and Undersecretary Tristan Azbej, who is in charge of the Hungary Helps Agency that provides aid to persecuted Christians, were among the speakers. The organizers gathered about 2,000 to 3,000 people, some of whom were bused into Budapest from other cities. The demonstrators were almost exclusively over 65 years of age, and some of them were not exactly peaceful. A few journalists were physically and verbally attacked by the crowd, which was incited by the “anti-racist” rhetoric of people like Zsolt Bayer. The reactions of the several of the demonstrators are captured on the following video:
I especially enjoyed a report on the demonstration titled “Fidesz attacked discrimination and not once did they laugh their heads off.” The journalist called the demonstration “mind-numbing” given the fact that Fidesz has built its whole governance on inciting prejudice against “brown” people, has starved children in the transit zone, has for years been discriminating against gays, and only recently began an anti-Roma campaign. Not to mention the latent anti-Semitism expressed in thousands of anti-Soros posters. But now the speakers, one after the other, told the demonstrators that they don’t tolerate discrimination. As for the demonstrators themselves, several gave priceless answers on the video to such questions as whether they would protest discrimination against the Roma. First, there was silence, then a yes, and later “maybe not.”
There was a small anti-demonstration, with both sides calling the other “racists.” At the end, there were a few bloody faces, and at least one person was arrested.
An amateurish question from an outsider who noticed several ethnic German names in your Friday night blog: Niedermoller, Bayer, Nemeth, Orban and perhaps others: What’s the percentage of Hungarians who trace their roots to Germany?
https://bbj.hu/opinion/the-german-love-for-hungary_169226
GERMAN LOVE FOR HUNGARY
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germans_of_Hungary
GERMANS OF HUNGARY
BLOODLINES ··· It wouldn’t surprise me to learn that more than 10% of Magyars can attest to some ancestral German blood. There is German on my mother’s side and Slovak on my father’s side.
MAGYARKOZÓ
@exTor, 9:36 pm
What is this crap about “German blood”? German blood doesn’t exist and even to use the expression is to engage in racialist nonsense.
Hey, how about for a change we focus of “human blood”?
I kind of agree with bimbi, we all originate from a few thousand characters running around in East Africa some time ago. But then, why would we identify with ancestors at a junction of evolution a few hundred thousand years ago, since then we also got some input from the Neanderthal folks, and in any case we are nothing but the descendants of some gas coming out of the Big Bang? What I want to get at is that it is easier to identify with some junctions in our development than the gas stage. Nations are political projects, and it is hence probably natural that, when thinking about ancestry, most people today think in terms of “the nations” that are currently recognized as “nations”. So when they look at their DNA tests, they – otherwise quite incomprehensibly – see “Croat” and what not origins broken down to percentages. Plain hilarious to my cosmopolitan mind, but hopefully can turn into just an innocent optical illusion when you start feeling to be part of a broader community. Trouble is when people have no other idea about how to extend their ego to a broader self than identifying with one imagined community rather… Read more »
“we all originate from a few thousand characters running around in East Africa some time ago”
Maybe, but if that is true then it is certain that we have continued to evolve, to change and differentiate (i.e. to diversify racially) a lot since that moment.
The Darwnian evolution never stops. It is like gravity : it is always present, the selection never stops. No chance to confuse today an European-Croatian with a Han Chinese or a Bantu African. Neither optically (phenotipically) nor when you do a DNA analysis (genetically).
team Ovidiu
parler pour ne rien dire
And weirdly it appears it has come to this..un rien de se livrer a l’exces…
Great to see other languages here .I always try to translate and understand.
When a bigot thinks they understand population genetics. There is very little differentiation occurring in modern human populations. For differentiation of populations, you need isolation. We have become far less isolated. The more prevalent population genetic process in modern humans is genetic introgression (the movement of genes from one population into another). The human population is not diverging, we are becoming more similar. Gene flow is the predominant population process affecting modern humans. This process has increased with modern travel but was already evident in places like southern Europe with its comparatively high degree of genetic variation due to introgression of genes from Middle Eastern and African populations. The US is the epicenter of gene flow. https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/05/18/528939766/five-fold-increase-in-interracial-marriages-50-years-after-they-became-legal In Great Britain, it has more than doubled in the same time period. In most of Europe, the trend is also positive. If you have a basic understanding of population genetics, you know that it takes very little gene flow for genetic differences between populations to diminish. Even in the 1960’s interracial marriage rates were high enough for this process to occur over dozens of generations. In 200 years Europe will be genetically a place that Ovika1G would feel very uncomfortable. That makes… Read more »
Óvoda, I’ve bad news for you: Bilogically you belong to the same race as every black African, biologically there is only one human race. That you have a white skin is just a genetic defect.
BLOOD OF ART ··· Of course German blood exists, of course Hungarian blood exists, it is formed by the DNA of culture, not by the DNA of genes.
BLOOD OF CULTURE ··· Ferenc Szálasi would probably shoot dead anyone who tried to project the notion that he (the son of a man whose paternal grandfather [Salossian] came from Armenia) was not a true Magyar, that he did not have Magyar blood coursing his veins.
TAINT OF ART ··· Tough to write anything for intellects never infected by art. Of course Olivio Kocsis-Cake has Hungarian blood, despite the fact that half of him comes from Africa [Guinea-Bissau]. His birth and cultural upbring in MagyarLand attest to the fact of his metaphored-Magyar blood.
MAGYARKOZÓ
@exTor 7:35 am
My point in pleading that we quietly forget about “German blood” or “Hungarian blood” is simply that no useful conclusion can be drawn from the term. It is useless – except for those who would impute (mischievous) significance to their own “blood”, as opposed to someone else’s.
We would do well to remember Shylock’s speech from the Merchant of Venice:
“Hath not a Jew hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions; fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer as a Christian is? If you prick us, do we not bleed?”
Time to accept our place humbly as part of humanity’s marvelous tapestry.
Most people, Magyars included, dont care about what blood means, the preciseness of its definition from a scientific perspective. They care about being Magyars. They care about ‘magyar vér’, because that is real.
I got your point, bimbi. My point is that the metaphor is paramount. My point to those here in MagyarLand who dont like ‘foreigners’, even the ones born here, is that anybody can be a Magyar, even supposed outsiders. The only requisite is wanting to live here, the presumption being that those wanting to live here actually like being here in Hungary, unlike those Magyars who have moved to England, Germany and elsewhere.
MAGYARKOZÓ
EX – You are not entirely on dry land re your use of “blood”. The exact term happens to be the magic formula with which Nazi ideologists in the 1920s created their (“invisible but essentially lethal”) inborn racial definition, for unwanted individuals who were objectively identical to the rest of the “Arian” population.
There is no reason to believe that the forced application of this pseudo-scientific theory was less dogmatic in the HU academic world.
As I said half jokingly sometime ago that iff everybody kept their original family names in the last 150 years, half the country would have either German or Slovak names.
Re: ‘that marvelous tapestry’ being weaved
You know if some happen to be looking at ‘evolution’ in Orban country it’s not a matter of where it descended from. It’s a matter of where it is going to. If there’s a ‘moral’ gene it’s been tampered with. Big time.
If the good people cannot overcome the racist bigots and criminally insane fascists in Hungary, they will have to suffer the consequences. The majority still votes for the racist, fascist party, that also robs them blind, so there are not enough good people to stand up to them.
Most Hungarians, even those who strongly oppose to the Fidesz and the right wing politicians hate and discriminate agains the Roma, without realizing, that they are the one who ruining their lives and keep the in a conditions for which the hate them. Anyone who hates the Roma is too stupid to understand, that hundreds of years of discrimination and exclusion from civilized living conditions, education and heathcare made the Roma what they are today. These people should hate themselves for what they are, racist, cruel bigots!
@Gyula Bognar Jr, 9:26 pm
Well said.
When will the Orbán government stop its’hot button’ policy of inciting hatred against Hungarian (and other) minority groups? They certainly know how to whip up the quick and easy reactions in the Fidesz Faithful. The sickening side of the new „Christian Liberty” – you get to slag off everyone you don’t like.
Gyula te nagyon tusko lehetsz az bisztos
https://nypost.com/2020/01/29/gays-in-hungary-facing-increased-government-attacks-activists-warn
MAGYAR GAYS FACING GOVERNMENT ATTACKS
HET UP ABOUT HETEROS ··· On the other side, some would beg to differ with the ORBÁNISTAS, the ones who do their kneeling in the open, before the Father of Jesus. They promise not to out the closeted straights.
MAGYARKOZÓ
@exTor, 10:15 pm
And just who was the “Father” of Jesus? Even after 2000 years, the VM still ain’t sayin’…
IMMACULATE RECEPTION ··· Jeezus bimbi, this first day of FEB, where (at least here in Csepel) it is sunny, with an expected output of 13° (just like yesterday) and you’re already querulous. What up wit dat ??? VM dont gotta say nuthin, she be lettin the Big Man’s spox speak.
MAGYARKOZÓ
Well, there are at least two “constipation theories” on this:
One claims that a German soldier in the Roman army was the father of Jesus – the other claims it was a Hungarian … 🙂 🙂
Take your pick
There is another choice which has been offered by the Church for many centuries
Sure; but I think wolfi is only talking about plausible theories. (the notion that JC was a Hungarian is somewhat appealing)
“the notion that JC was a Hungarian is somewhat appealing”
In FIDESZ circles this is a preferred theory! Jesus a Jew? Unacceptable for them!
Jesus was a failed rabbi…
“Jesus was a failed rabbi…” – but a Hungarian one!…?
Worse, a murdered rabbi
“Worse, a murdered rabbi” – but still a Hungarian one!…?
I had a conversation with a guy yesterday who works for one of the political think tanks in Budapest (not the fidesznik Századvég/Nézőpont ones). He flatly claimed that both Gergely Gulyas and Máté Kocsis are gay and of course Orban’s only son Gaspar has also been rumored to be gay for long (his religious activities and recent army training, which is rarer than extremely rare among upper class people, also point to the direction of covering up/compensation).
Most likely your acquaintance is correct concerning all three men.
BRUTE BRUIT ··· The backstory on Máté Kocsis has long been available, however I’d not heard of the supposed proclivities of the other 2. How do we know that all 3 might be gay?
MAGYARKOZÓ
watch the films
The one positive yield of this for the opposition could be if they at last understand that they simply cannot afford to be represented in the public eye by politicians who do not understand that once they got elected to a high office, they cannot mumble poorly articulated and far too complex thoughts on television like they routinely did as fine (or not so fine) intellectuals at some earlier point in their life. Of course, there are no “political experts” to train them as this article imagines, but otherwise it makes the right point: https://azonnali.hu/cikk/20200130_visszataszito-kepzodmeny-helyett-profizmusra-lenne-szukseg-orban-ellentaboraban
He was honest. The modern Left is shoulder-deep into anti-white racism and Niedermuller has merely informed the Hungarians what is in store for them if the Left ever returns to power in Hungary.
It is Orban- who has been making these ‘anti-racism’ noises in reply to Niedermuller — who is the phony one here.
Not sure what is Orban’s logic in this case, he seems to believe that he can beat the Left in its own game.
@Invidious, 8:40 am
” The modern Left is shoulder-deep into anti-white racism…”
There is nonsense, utter nonsense and there is Invidious…
Your statement is rubbish.
As to Orbán, he just wants to keep ploughing his furrow – being in Kontrol and robbing the his fellow citizens blind.
In Canada legal discrimination against whites is enshrined in the constitution. It does not get any more hateful than that!
The same in US. Institutional privileges (‘affirmative action’, set aside contracts, etc.) for all others except Whites. This is race-based legal discrimination (because this is a zero-sum situation)
Not much different situation in UK either, institutionalized anti-white racism :
“The truth is that white working-class boys are one of the main casualties of the 20th-century culture war. The liberal left won, and inaugurated the new world of identity politics based on race and gender. This divisive ideology won’t help kids if they are white…
…But white working-class boys went to school and learned Britain was a uniquely bad country. They learned to be ashamed of themselves and accept that they were sexist and racist. One award-winning teacher said that sometimes it seemed that the only white, male role-model in the history curriculum was Adolf Hitler.”
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/01/22/failing-white-working-class-boys/
@Invidious, 10:21am
Like I said, there is shit, horse-shit and Invidious.
You are simply wrong in your assertion (once again).
calm down, bambi…and start reading too, not only posting
@Invidious, 10:37 am
“Calm down”? No problem. It is just a drag keeping up with your patently false assertions
ovoda, where do you find these extreme right wing fake news sites?
You must be a genius with a nose for fascist stuff! 🙂 🙂
It is team Ovidiu sponsored by the mafia, coca-cola company, and the dictators Putin and the Viktor
These fools confuse a loss of exclusive privilege with racism.
Nothing will change and you know it.
These people like Niedermuller are fundamentally incapable of being real politicians who can effectively communicate. They are coffee house intellectuals at heart and Niedermüller really is.
This is an issue for the left and liberal side everywhere; those who leanleft just hate simple speech, they are proud of their intellect, education, understanding of complex issues, proud of their understanding that complex issues cannot be solved by simple, silver bullet solutions, dislike uneducated simple folks because they always “fall” for Orban’s, Johnson’s etc. simple messaging etc. etc. They psychologically resist being simple and effective.
There are tons of books on political communication and every one of them uses successful right wing examples because the perennial problem is always the weakness of the left in this respect.
The other problem is of course assimetry.
Fidesz jumps on anything its opponents do, while the current opposition is slow and timid to react and they always miss great opportunities to attack Fidesz.
Disagree! 1st Niedermüller told a clear fact that is not hard to understand and is pretty obvious. 2nd not all voters expect a “simple solution” for complicated problems. Johnson’s simple Brexit lies didn’t attract as many voters than the complicated answers of the other parties and the percentage that voted for tories by other reasons but Johnson’s easy answers is unknown, but their base has been very high through centuries before Johnson took over.
ORBÁN’S FEARSOME FAITHFUL DEMONSTRATING FOR HETEROS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THekbQIEOGY
• MI HETERÓK VAGYUNK, TI MEG BUZIK •
STROPPY GODISTS ··· Who’d athunk it that seniors, Hungarian ones no less, could get so uppity. Well, here in MAGYARLAND, the home of the free and the brave (not to mention the protected and the exalted) anything is possible. Here in ORBÁNISTAN, a work-in-progress, sclerotic seniors (tilting on the precarious edge of senescence) are bussed in from the boonies to do the bidding of GRANDMASTER FLUSH, to harass anyone seen to be the other, even/especially reporters for 444.
MAGYARKOZÓ
Re: ‘not exactly a young crowd’ and the videos
And on visual sighting a showing flags, crosses and whites.
No blacks , coloreds, Roma, etc etc. Of those who ‘live’ in the country they have to be hiding at home perhaps watching the ramped up rage on tv. Who would go out into that? Curious how many would open their doors to interviews. Curious if any went to interview them. Who there even wants to hear about them? If minorities believe in giving their ‘opinion’ they know like many with eyes, ears and minds it amounts to nothing. They know they are seen as spectres of horror to magyars.
In any case it is quite evident as feelings show that the country wants it where minorities would simply just go away or continually be set up as objects of derision. ‘Democracy’ there today only exists as an excuse just to oversee a woeful ‘tyranny of the majority’. Minorities appear to be something that bring out the Christian population’s inner Neros. Irony of ironies.
Related to the post by ex Tor. Index has a very extensive and interesting article on the story Eva covered yesterday (https://index.hu/kulfold/2020/02/01/ditro_sri_lanka_pek_romania_hargita/ ) for those who read Hungarian. One deeply disturbing aspect of the story was the fact that at least one of the bakers who are the object of hatred, Naindi, age 48 is actually a Catholic as Eva pointed out in her essay yesterday was interviewed. He actually may have attended mass at the Church where the protests against the bakers began. There are approximately 1.2 million Catholics in Sri Lanka today representing around 6.1% of the total population. The situation is actually very similar to the one I experienced while serving in Vietnam in the early 1970s, Catholicism came to Sri Lanka by western colonialists as it did in Vietnam. There is now a Saint, known as the Apostle of Ceylon who was a Portuguese early missionary to the country. (The history of Christianity in Sri Lanka is amazing and includes an attempt by Dutch who occupied the country to impose Calvinism as the official religion after taking over from the Portuguese.) Two of my friends here in Chicago are in fact Vietnamese Catholics and both were former South Vietnamese officers.… Read more »
This article appeared in the US independent Catholic newspaper the National Catholic Reporter https://www.ncronline.org/news/parish/pastor-apologizes-words-hurtful-muslims-homily-immigration It discussed a priest in the State of Minnesota in the USA who delivered an attack on Islam during services and was forced to retract his statements by Archbishop Bernard A. Hebda of St. Paul and Minneapolis and given a lecture on the correct position of the Church on this issue. The approach of Hebda was very similar to that of retired Archbishop György Jakubinyi in the situation in Transylvania. There is a pattern here and this observation was made to me via email by a faculty member from Notre Dame University. Effectively this appears to be Pope Francis approach to racism on the part of clergy of the Church. The progressives in the Church here in the USA, hope it is the start of a full scale crackdown on racism within the Church globally. But what will Pope Francis do with Cardinal Péter Erdő whose own statements have been highly restrained maybe even more correctly called evasive on migration to Hungary by refugees from the middle east and who has not in the least cracked down on racism within the Hungarian Catholic Church? That to me is… Read more »
You must have misunderstood something. Böjte was not the center of my discussion. It was additional information about his joining the discussion. On the other hand, the local priest’s role was discussed in two paragraphs.
Eva your initial article discussed the “priest” without naming him, but did name Csaba Böjte. So as I read the post the emphasis appeared to be on Csaba Böjte. Biró Károly was named in the article your essay linked to https://www.maszol.ro/index.php/tarsadalom/121592-patthelyzet-gyergyoditroban-a-kozosseg-bocsanatkerest-var-a-vendegmunkasokat-alkalmazo-ceg-nem-tagit . The Maszol article also did not correctly understand or purposely evaded the reality that the priest actually raised the issue of the workers during his performance of mass and directly led his parishioners on a march following his incitement of them. That lack of detail in the Maszol report of course was not your fault and this information has only subsequently been brought forward. This action or demonstration was an action of the institution of the parish itself and as such constituted a direct action in opposition of Pope Francis’ very lengthy encyclical ON CARE FOR OUR COMMON HOME that ties together the climate and migration crisis with social inequality (http://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/encyclicals/documents/papa-francesco_20150524_enciclica-laudato-si.html ). Other of the Pope’s messages reinforce the role the Church needs to play in relationship to people seeking work around the world, Biró ignored the messages of Francis and injected hatred into his flock, it was a deep error in doctrine from a Catholic perspective. I… Read more »
Yes, I didn’t mention his name because I thought that a village priest’s name is just not that important. Böjte, on the other hand, is a well-known figure.
Gays cannot have children (lesbian insemination aside), while ethnic Hungarians are white, so yes for Hungarians the ideal family structure is made up of a white male and a white female. It represents ethno-cultural continuation. DK obviously has a problem with it. They wanted to import mostly African-ME males into Hungary in order to change all that. China is trying a similar policy with the Uighur minority, removing the native males and sending Han Chinese males into the households of Uigur women left alone with no males around. Some people would call such demographic engineering cultural genocide.
Understandable why the Hungarian ideal would so irk a suicide cult follower. Suicide cults always resent and hate those who refuse to drink the spiked coolaid. They are often executed as an alternative.
@Zoli, 9:53 am
“Zoli”: You are sick and deranged. Please stop with these idiotic assertions.
Yes, I am sure that the brainwashed fools in Jonestown thought that those who were refusing to commit suicide were “sick and deranged”. Were they right? After all, that was the overall majority view!
LAME ZED ··· Rhymes with ‘brain-dead’, fittingly. Being at the end of a line of letters seems appropriate for a LOOZER hater [read: racist].
Culture is not genetic. Go tell the young girl down the road from me that she cant be a Magyar because her father is a black Cuban.
You’re lucky that Éva is a softie, allowing braintards like SHEEPMAN, you and other trollers from the animal farm to graze here. Were I in charge, I would have turfed him and you long ago.
MAGYARKOZÓ
Nobody said it is genetic! Did I? But as things stand right now, pick a random Nigerian and a random Hungarian and ask people to identify who is who (normal people, not morons) and chances are that most people will be able to sort Hungarian from Nigerian and vice versa. I am pretty sure that most Hungarians do not identify themselves as just Hungarians, but also as one of the European nations and what one expects a native European to look like. And I did say ethno-cultural not just cultural!
You are right, culture is not genetic, so how come Native American culture was mostly extinguished from North America once the expanding population of Europe overflowed and the colonist culture came to dominate?
“Culture is not genetic”
A good part of it is genetic. The differences in cognitive repertoires and behaviors between ethnic/racial groups should not be doubted or feared. They exist and everyone who has seen anything of the world knows it.
Zoli, this is utter nonsense. Of course, they can and they do. Here are Just two very well-known people from Hungary. Ádám Nádasdy, linguist, translator of Dante, had two daughters with his wife. Today he just married an English male doctor.
Or, there is Klára Ungár, sister-in-law of Mária Schmidt (the poor woman), who was married and had a teenage son when she had enough of pretending and came out. The first Hungarian politician doing so. She is the one who claimed that Máté Kocsis was gay. Kocsis sued her for defamation of character which Ungár won because the judge didn’t think that calling someone gay is a disparagement.
Or, the new prime minister of Finland who was brought up by two women, one of whom was her own mother who had been married earlier.
Yes Eva, people who first marry then come out often end up having children. For gay women there is the option of insemination as I already pointed out, or for the naughtier ones making the fantasies of many young men come true by inviting them over to spend the night with her and her partner. But most gay people do not have children. Gay men cannot have children with each other. At most adopt or find a willing lady to help them (not common). Bottom line is that gay sexual interaction does not naturally lead to children, unless a third party is introduced as a participant, therefore not the ideal marriage or relationship from the point of view of human reproduction. I know that PC social dictatorship requires that we not only accept these relationships but celebrate them and proclaim “How wonderful!”. But fact is that it is a birth defect that occurs at a relatively steady rate within the human population. We should definitely accept it and respect those who are affected. But celebrating it and declaring it to be something wonderful is about as absurd as celebrating the fact that kids with any other defect are born, like… Read more »
At least I hope you clean your innocent keyboard every evening after forcing so much nonsense and BS out of it
Well Zoli, you are right that homosexuality is a result of a birth defect. But there is a social conditioning aspect to it too. Acceptance of those who are different is a natural human sentiment. We are lucky that in large parts of the world we can more or less comfortably accommodate it. We certainly should celebrate that ability. I find that there is little to celebrate in what results in gay sex. We see these days many happy couples in same sex relationships. We don’t see much of the multitudes of those tormented by the birth defect. Nothing much to celebrate there.
You mean, ovoda, we see those tormented by the birth defect of pedophilia only in the catholic church?
Zoltán, is your fascist BS caused by a birth defect?
Z couldn’t leave out the s-word again…
so specially for all others who are ghost driving… [according Z.]
There are many ways same-sex couples can have children that do not involve adoption.
https://www.verywellfamily.com/what-are-gay-couples-options-for-having-babies-4172970
You are so enlightened! And you certainly think that of yourself, especially when you undertake the education of the “ignorant”. Gay people need a third party to help them have children. Women, due to biology don’t need much. Men on the other hand need a huge commitment.
You must be all giddy with self-righteousness at this point.
Colonist Zoltán, migrant in Canada, don’t tell me how I see the ideal Hungarian family!
I am afraid a lot of Hungarian women would prefer men from Africa, as soon as they see a chance that are treated better by Africans than by their Hungarian husbands. I am afraid that there are male couples that are treating children better than some biological parents. And besides these easy understandable facts Niedermüller just told us that the FIDESZ ideology is made by hate and exclusion and he said that there “remains only a grim formation”, obviously he didn’t talk about the Hungarians – a people that is not that all-white as you want it to be. The “white, christian, heterosexual males” are the content of the picture FIDESZ paints itself, so nobody should be surprised that somebody realises it. Zoltán, you can write so much racist hate propaganda as you want or as Éva will allow, you won’t change Hungarian reality.
You are why the rest of the world is ashamed of Hungarians. Please apologize to your mother.
Thanks Eva for this post. I found it very illuminating. The video was an excellent addition and, as someone who has been in a few argy-bargies himself, I pay tribute to the reporter’s skill and courage.
” the white, Christian, heterosexual males” -The Hungarian parody versus the American tragedy.
Niedermuller mindlessly parrots the shibboleths of the Western Left and Orban/Fidesz replies with a masquerade. The whole incident is grotesque, a distorted image, but it is an an image of a reality which is way away from Hungary and where it slides toward tragedy.
A review of two recent books : Ezra Klein’s “Why We’re Polarized” and Christopher Caldwell’s “The Age of Entitlement” – I posted here their individual reviews by Francis Fukuyama and Steve Sailer respectively.
This is a review of both of them at once since they are related, one deals with “why” and the other with “how” :
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/01/andrew-sullivan-america-needs-a-miracle.html
@Invidious, 11:59 am
“The Age of Entitlement” – what a good title for the current Hungarian situation where the ruling party has deemed itself “entitled” to stealing on an industrial scale from the Hungarian people.
While you are expounding on the topic of “entitlement”, please explain to our readers how Orbán’s strawman has accumulated not less than Euro 1,500,000,000 in less than 10 years (that is ~5×10^11 Forint). Of course, “lesser” people got less, like Rogan ripping off the State by selling “residencies”. But set that aside, Mészáros will do for now.
Na rajta!
Zoli – Go easy on that vaseline! Your phobe-decals fall off faster than you can post them!
What is going on in China?
2018 August: swine epidemic
2019 December: human epidemic
2020 January: chicken epidemic
“deadly bird flu among chickens in Hunan province, close to coronavirus epicentre of Wuhan”
60% mortality rate.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3048566/china-reports-outbreak-deadly-bird-flu-among-chickens-hunan
Corona virus map (data updating hourly):
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Tappanch you known the answer to your own question, massive rapid urbanization, incredible leaps of industrialization, and a very limited human services budget for China equals disaster. In saying that I don’t hold up the USA as the model country either because of our own problematic health care system. Chinese grassroots health care providers, what we call in the USA general practitioners have supported themselves by charging for giving injections and selling medicines for years now. This has led to a serious problem of disease spread through health care as patients received too many injections and injections by unsterilized needles. Corruption and disregard for the rights of patients have become serious problems in the Chinese health care system. The Chinese economist, Yang Fan, wrote as early as 2001 that lip service being given to the old socialist health care system and China was deliberately ignoring and failing to regulate the actual private health care system was a serious failing of the Chinese health care system. Fan argued that China’s welfare health system supported by public funds essentially exists in name only. People have to pay for most medical services on their own. Considering health to be still a “welfare activity”… Read more »
And even to add statistics: The pure size contributes to the accumulation as well.