Before June 6, 2020, there were 195 statues of the mythical bird of prey, the turul, in Hungary. The turul is regarded in some circles as the symbol of Hungarians. Now, with the unveiling of a new, rather strange turul statue in Sátoraljaújhely, a town abutting the Slovak-Hungarian border, the country has its 196th. It was on this occasion that Prime Minister Viktor Orbán delivered a speech which his loyal followers considered historic while his critics called it bellicose and even threatening.
Although an English summary of the speech was posted on the government’s website under the title “Hungary is on a winning streak again,” those in charge of Orbán’s internet site opted to omit certain passages that might be offensive to friends and foes alike. Furthermore, by excluding background information necessary for a full understanding of Orbán’s message, the summary became incoherent.
Orbán began his speech with the following two sentences: “We know the stations. We also know the painful stations of the Hungarian Calvary of Sátoraljaújhely.” To understand what the prime minister was talking about, we must go back in time to 1934, when the “Hungarian Calvary,” consisting of 14 stations, was erected on a hillside just outside of town. Each station symbolizes an important city or region lost to Hungary after World War I. Visitors begin their walk at the station depicting Kassa (Košice) in Czechoslovakia. Following the route, they visit cities and regions in Austria, Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia, and Romania, only to return to Kassa, encircling present-day Hungary. In brief, this was and still is an irredentist monument, one of the many erected between the two world wars.
The latest “Centennial” Turul Statue
Orbán delivered his speech after he and his wife, along with other dignitaries, walked the 14 stations. This may explain in part the elevated style of his delivery. The opening motif of the speech, common to many others he has delivered, was the vulnerability of the Hungarian nation. If we took his interpretation of history seriously, we would be convinced that in the last one thousand years all the other nations in Europe and beyond have wanted nothing more than to destroy Hungary, to wipe all Hungarians off the face of the earth. Over the centuries the country was attacked from the West, the East, and the South, but Hungary was unbeatable, and “we entered the gate of the 20th century as a partner nation of a great European empire.”
But then what happened? Trianon, he said, was not the result of a lost war and the non-Hungarian population’s desire to abandon the Kingdom of Hungary in which they considered themselves to be second-class citizens. No, “the one-thousand-year historical Hungary was stabbed in the back by Budapest conspirators.”
Repeating the old Horthy-era narrative, he resurrected the “stab-in-the-back” myth (Dolchstoßlegende). Orbán claimed that the unpatriotic leftist political forces were responsible for the destruction of the army, which otherwise was strong and disciplined. The same evil liberals and socialists assassinated “the only statesman capable of rescuing the homeland.” They handed the country over to its enemies and the government to the Bolsheviks.
Only recently several books, some written by conservative historians, have appeared on the 1918-1919 period, and none of them accepts this fictitious narrative, inherited from the counterrevolutionary period of the Horthy regime. It is hard to believe that the current prime minister of Hungary can accuse the “Hungarian left” of the assassination of István Tisza.
Once he finished with the treasonous left-of-center, he moved against the “West, which raped Central Europe’s thousand-year-old borders and its history.” The Great Powers squeezed Hungarians into an area with indefensible borders and deprived the country of its natural resources without any moral compunction. “We will never forgive them,” he promised. And after Hungary suffered all of these atrocities committed by the West, “we were thrown to the communists without any pangs of conscience.”
The enemies of Hungary wanted to destroy the country, but “Hungarians are stubborn” and “were not ready to assist at their burial.” Hungary is alive and kicking, while “there is no Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, or Soviet Union. There is no British or French Empire. What remained of them are wrestling right now in the multicultural grips of their vengeful colonies. The justice of history cannot be avoided.”
It is duty of the Hungarians, he continued, “to preserve the Carpathian Basin,” in which “every new Hungarian child is also a new guard post.”
Orbán claimed, introducing his vision for an ultimately triumphant Hungarian nation, that “only states have borders, but nations do not.” He declared that “there are those who understand this law and those who do not, but those who do not would be better off if they hurried because their time is running out.” Running out? Whom is he threatening? Perhaps Romania or Ukraine, because they were left off the list of those neighbors with whom Hungarians are glad to build a common future.
“By today,” he went on, “we are again the most populous country in the Carpathian Basin. We haven’t been in a hundred years as strong as we are now. We are building bridges and railways—all the way to Belgrade and superhighways all the way to Košice. Our political, spiritual, economic, and cultural gravitational force is growing day by day.”
Finally, Viktor Orbán outlined the future in these words. “Let’s understands the depths of the change that has occurred in the last ten years. Let’s not be afraid of what we see. Yes, we are the ones we have been waiting for, those who will change the future of Hungary. We can hope that our generation, the fourth generation of Trianon, will fulfill its mission and will take Hungary to the gates of victory. But the decisive battle must be fought by the fifth generation of Trianon that will follow us.”
I am rarely at a loss for words, but this speech has left me dazed and mute. Orbán may not aspire to redraw state borders, but he is a national irredentist. He views the nation’s future in frighteningly expansive, apocalyptic terms, with the decisive battle (against whom? for what?) yet to be fought.
I suppose the basic prerequisites for making any kind of sense out of such a sunstricken address, is the grooming via the Hungarian school system and a solid dose of pálinka.
It looks as if the Viktor has overdone the playing with his cucumber…
You know, the more one looks at HU politics, the more it appears like a common quest for pleasure through pain – acts of national fetishism so to speak – the collective “cucumber”.
Like an exotic sado-masochistic cult with semi religious traditions of self-damage, people seem drawn to ritual worship under their dominant Patriarch, who masters the art of spanking, tickling and branding the bloody images of collective fantasies onto their submissive and voluntarily bonded “slaves”, with the required mixture of agonizing pain, stigmatizing curses and distant but pathetic prayers for a happy end.
Cheers!
Absolutely spot on Professor Balogh. It has been clear for a long time that Orban and this regime traffic in national myths, harmful not only to Hungary’s neighbors, but Hungary as well. Your analysis commented on a number of these myths i.e. Orban’s invention of liberal/left wing stab in the back attacks such as blaming the assassination of István Tisza on the liberal/left and the pernicious amnesia- forgetting the harms -done to non Hungarians by the old dual monarchy of which Hungary was the “equal partner” of the Austrians (only!)
Little Viktor is preparing for war against his neighbours with Trump’s blessing and with Putin’s help. Putin has always wanted to dismember Romania and Ukraine and so has Orban.
The Russians are assembling local militias in the Odessa region to stir trouble.
https://gagauzyeri.md/v-syolah-odesskoj-oblasti-formiruetsya-vooruzhyonnoe-opolchenie/
@Oyster, 10:48 pm
The only “enemy” Viktor is preparing for war against is the somewhat strengthened Hungarian opposition. He is simply preparing for the 2022 election and this speech is just part-and-parcel of the necessary propaganda to keep the supposed “plight” of Hungary as a hot topic before his faithful voters. This way everything is still A-OK. He can continue to steal from Hungarians and he can continue to get his jollies by issuing decrees (it makes the cock-on-the-dunghill feel good). Why rock the boat? His thievery is entrenched, he is entrenched. He would be crazy to go to war anywhere and he knows that perfectly well. He has Hungary and the EU by the short-and-curlies. Basta.
Which Viktor are you talking about? The one I know does not mean any quotation marks when he talks about the enemy and the one I know sees enemies everywhere at home and abroad.
“The only “enemy” Viktor is preparing for war against is the somewhat strengthened Hungarian opposition.” C’mon DK (love that abbreviation) 01G is not preparing to go to war with any enemies abroad (except in a rhetorical sense and that doesn’t count) but he sure would be happy to put an end to any resurgent internal political opposition. Otherwise your claim that he “sees enemies everywhere”, really is only for home consumption. Just one Viktor, same old b-s.
I take Orban seriously and I am pretty sure that if there is a favorable political opportunity in Transylvania to “save the Hungarians” he will provide all the equipment possible. Why does he let the Nazis march in Budapest … if they are be a slave to Orban they will march where Orban wants them to. Orban is a bad guy.
“if there is a favorable political opportunity in Transylvania”
Yes, indeed! I am just more afraid that Orbán might see that “favorable political opportunity” in Transcarpathia. He would do Putin a great favour to damage or even to destroy Ukraine and would get any Russian help needed. The question is how bad the political situation in Kiev needs to be to do so. But if Romania would be in such problems Transsylvania would be his target as well, it is just less likely.
Believe if or not, my information is that most of the population of Transcarpathia would welcome living in the EU rather than on its border. And not just the Hungarians.
“I am rarely at a loss for words, but this speech has left me dazed and mute…”
It is easy to understand Orban’s tone, mood & choice of words if you simply assume that Orban, just as most people, has been following (and is emotionally affected by) what has been going on in the West in the last two weeks.
One gets the feeling that the world will never be the same, in the social media the apocalyptic metaphors abound (though not here at HS where people live in denial about the political realities of the present West and focus on unloading on Orban).
How will all these play out in the end for Hungary as well, who will bury who, remains to be seen but Orban could not but end his apocalyptic speech with a positive spin.
Yes, but also maybe no, or not quite, Ovidiu. VO might have borrowed from the most recent international events the tone of his speech, but certainly not the content. For the sake of the exercise, do compare this speech with VO’s last speech in Tusnad (RO): you will find the same themes and the same reasoning. Should I say: enjoy?!?
As I understand it the content is generated by the context. He merely adapts, interprets/reinterprets, conveniently the Hungarian history so as to fit the present political moment
and make it appear as historically preordained, anticipated, recurrent, etc.
It is typical for Orban’s speeches going back to 2000s.
It is not Romania who has to fear Orban’s irredentism and his “half-dozen tanks and 10 borrowed planes” HU- army.
That’s a joke and a HU cultural fetish used here to signal
something else but quite important. But the HU (Left) opposition (which is within Orban’s reach, whatever may the West squelch about it) will have form now on to fear for good ( not feigned, for the propaganda value) Orban’s state and system.
The content, understood in the dramatic context, clearly emotional for Orban who departed from his typical calculated style, signals that Orban sees this as ‘existential’ for HU.
He isn’t toying this time.
Sometimes traitors within are more to be feared than foreign armies at the gate, as history shows us.
Also propaganda playing on people’s emotions (and making them believe that a former ruthless KGB torturer suddenly becomes a great Christian leader) reminds one of the Trojan horse.
Since the protests against racism started around 2 weeks ago team Ovidiu is trying to grab every possible even non existent clue (like today) to tell us democracies are lost and have failed.
Nothing is less true, these protests are an example of people in “the West” practicing democracy.
In my opinion “people at HS” understand that and are sick of this wishing for doomsday philosophy from team Ovidiu from Moscow, situated in the East in a country where democracy never has been given a chance.
“democracies are lost and have failed. Nothing is less true, these protests are an example of people in “the West” practicing democracy.”
I thought they were practicing it when they voted ( for Brexit, or for Trump, or Orban..you choose). Now this practice has
greatly expanded to looting, beating, setting buildings on fire, defacing and demolishing statues, etc…I guess they are catching up with the Taliban standard for what “democracy” means. The future West is going to be great.
FO fascist AH.
practicing democracy, one global corporation at the time
6/9/2020…Hollywood Reporter
Gone With the Wind, the Civil War epic considered a classic of American cinema, has been removed from HBO.
The move comes as media companies reappraise content in light of nationwide protests over police brutality and systemic racism after the death of George Floyd,
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hbo-max-removes-gone-wind-1297806
Some real and interesting background info on this:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/confederate-monuments-across-country-coming-down-180975052
Interesting that many of these monuments were erected during the early 20th century aka the Jim Crow area?
And protests against this have been going on for more tha a hundred years …
@wolfi ..
June 10 at 7:43 AM
Christopher Columbus statue torn down, thrown in lake by protesters
https://www.nbc12.com/2020/06/09/christopher-columbus-statue-torn-down-thrown-lake-by-protesters/
it is the beginning of a war against the White-Americans (Euro-Americans, the historical American nation, whatever you prefer).
A struggle for whitelessness.
Ovoda, you really should learn history – maybe read a book?
Columbus was one of the worst traders of children as sex slaves – from America to Europe obviously.
Now are you proud of him?
And of course the killings, destructions and stealing of gold, ok that’s how an invasion usually went in those times.
Christopher Columbus statue in honor of indigenous people. Columbus as an honor to the indigenous people, good thing it was torn down.
Team Ovidiu, here is where your heroes are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memento_Park
FO fascist AH.
And we also demolish monuments. In the inner city of Budapest:
Jan, that people take a thoughtful decision based on facts instead of his ideology of hate is a crime in the eyes of that kindergarten boy. Suppressed people are not allowed to demonstrate, he loves it if Brexit voters decide based on a hate campaign and outright lies, if Trump gets 2 000 000 million votes less than Clinton and gets into office anyway or Orbán gets 2/3 in parliament with 44% of the votes. He is an Orbánist who denies the principles of democracy and rule of law and needs a strong leader.
To István, I agree.
Orbán’s wet dreams of “big..strong …historical…struggles ..victories..” have been to compensate for his earlier life which was nothing but those. Orbàn has always been out of his debt away from Felcsutia and his reading of the world beyond is wrong as always.
In the mean time Hungary has been dropping behind, by now to the bottom by most indicators. Again, to compensate for this the speeches are growing more triumphant, belligerent and false, a la North Korea. The bedraggled faithful get the circus victories, if only virtual or imagined.
The west shows what Orbán is afraid of: People not accepting limited rights the state authorities allow. But Orbán threats countries as Slovakia, Ukraine, Romania or Serbia….
“Orbán may not aspire to redraw state borders, but he is a national irredentist.”
All mouth and no trousers is Fearless Leader; a truely “heroic” irridententist patriot would be massing troops on the Romanian border.
Kossuth Lajos azt üzente,
Elfogyott a regimentje!!
Ha még egyszer, azt üzeni, Mindnyájunknak el kell menni,
Éljen a magyar szabadság,
Éljen a haza!!!
Mindent Visza!!!!
“a truely “heroic” irridententist patriot would be massing troops on the Romanian border.”
Not yet, kameraden. Not yet….
Orban is indeed prone to daydreaming and grandiose flights of imagination but he is realist enough to leave the actual battle with the Romanians to be done by “the fifth generation”.
He knows that the present “4th generation” of Hungarians are of no use, and their elites no better.
“Trianon” (irredentism, etc.) is not a real issue today in Hungary. It was real 100 years ago but today it is more of an erotic fetish than a trauma. It is a cultural fixture, subject for a pleasant, self-aggrandizing talk and not much else. Entertaining theatrics but empty of substance and motivational power. Orban pretends, plays his mandatory part in them, but he knows the truth as well.
Invidious, 1:35 am
“…it is more of an erotic fantasy”. Yes indeedy!
Finally someone who understands what Trian-Onanism is all about. Trianon and on and on and on. Hü, de jó!
Ovi
What would that next “fifth generation” be?
With the edu system dumbed down, the tertiary educated leaving, the economy dropping behind, etc what is ragtag Hu going to do? Send Mèszàros and co to conquer ?
It’s a sorry joke!
„What would that next “fifth generation” be?“ Evolution in the sense of Orban means a Darvin reversal back in time. You surely know the sequence of pictures from the primate to the upright walking modern man who forms himself back to the primate. This is then the “fifth generation”.
Presumably a hyper-nationalistic one. What else he could had in mind ?
“What else he could had in mind ?”
Decomposition of Romania from the inside out. As he has been trying for decades.
Only that? And the rest?
OV sounds like he should be selling something useless on one of these shopping tv channels! Rule of thumb, I guess, is that if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. In this case, if it’s too outrageous to be true, it probably is. Sadly, just like the shopping channels, people are buying it.
Btw unusual to hear OV hit such an emotional tone. Makes me think of Szijjártó peeing his pants when walking the streets of Brussels. An equally ungenuine piece of theatre. Hungarians pride themselves on the quality of their theatres though. Time they recognized this for what it is, bad acting that is trying to play on emotions.
Will finally the European political leaders realise that they are dealing with a madmen, and a very unstable and dangerous one that threatens the EU itself as well? …Just keep financing his regime, appease him so that he can survive until the funeral of the EU that he can attend to and laugh all the way to the bank…
O1G and Hungary are irrelevant, the real danger is Trump – and already last year many Germans agreed!
I’ll try to find the numbers but one result right now:
40% of Germans think that Trump is the biggest danger for world piece, compared to around 20% for Putin and the Chines and North Korean leaders each.
I think you are correct about Trump i.e.”the biggest danger”.
Germany is now the leader of the free world, but unfortunately the steady moral leadership of the current German government can not compensate for the terrific decline of the US under Trump
Orban is like the dwarf planet, Pluto. Far from any warmth and light, the mafia regime continues to take Hungary down.
The fake military antics of this would be Mussolini are largely for domestic consumption i.e. the myth of the nation state etc. detracts Hungarians from the real and important issues. Nevertheless, as the “Guns of August” reminds us, even a fake nation state of “all” Hungarians inside and outside current borders may stumble into conflict.
Wolfi, I can understand that. Putin, Pi and Kim are way more realists compared to Trump. None of them is a pretty fellow, but only one is mentally enormous disturbed.
Just another fuss that is meant to distract us from talking about his large scale theft of public assets.
nailed it!
ON DAY 72 OF THE IRREDENTIST PUGILISTIC PARANOIAC GRRRRBÁN DICTATORSHIP
… a message for our times from the disturbed dictator himself
Imho these ideas are suicidal for Hungary – if the EU or Hungary’s neighbours go down the “Greater Hungarian Turul Empire” will go down even faster.
And again re the reaction from outside:
When German friends ask me about the “Hungarian Trianon Crazyness” I tel them first:
It corresponds to Versailles for us Germans and then most go:
Hm, Versailles, what happened there? Heard about it, but don’t remember …
And when I explain it and tell them that Hungarians were a minority in their part of the KuK empire they go like:
Really? Those guys must be crazy!
Now, I don’t agree with Orbán at all, of course, but Trianon was indeed an unjust disaster for Hungary with huge consequences that continue to reverberate today. Maybe you could have a little sensitivity and understanding towards Hungarians instead of always putting them down and talking about how inferior they are to Germans.
But injustices imputed to the Trianon settlements cannot be imposed on individuals now; all retrospective changes in citizenship must surely be based on individual consent/choice/application?
Shoopy, what?
My point is that Hungarian politicians in the last 100 years have always used this to excuse their activities – just like the Nazis. Get over it!
Fair enough Wolfi, but calling Hungarians “crazy” is quite demeaning. In nearly every comment of yours you mention how stupid Hungarians are compared to Germans – your comment above is a good example of that.
Please …
my wife eg laughs about the Trianon hysteria (I wouldn’t have started something with. her if she were one of those clerical fascists) and the same goes for all her family.
So what is the reason for so many Hungarians whining about Trianon?
Hint:
Education? Information?
And the same goes for their activities in WW2 and the Vienna (or was it Paris?) treaty.
PS:
As I’ve written before Austria wasn’t better treated but they don’t care either
In my years in Hungary, Serbia, and Macedonia, I have found the chief pleasure of Balkan peoples is….
The Transmission of Misery!
Good observation. Well, there’s a lot of it to transmit … so why not?
However, in my considerable experience in the region, the Huns are the most negative.
Germans (and Austrians as well) learned it the hard way before they approached their neighbours in peace. Hungarians went through all the same, but the lesson is still not learned yet. And yes, the Trian-Onanism (© Bimbi) it is crazy! Anyway, there are enough people that went into the historical facts and understood why things happened. So we aren’t all crazy.
„… but Trianon was indeed an unjust disaster for Hungary …“ No, it was just, it was just like the unjust war that Hungary fought and lost. Anyone who demands justice after a lost unjust war can only be smiled at with pity.
I think it was mostly just, with some exceptions. A different solution could have been elaborated for some areas with an overwhelming Hungarian majority.
princess no, if you start a war and you lose, then you have lost. You can’t rape, attack, and kill and then demand justice from those you wanted to destroy – it’s absolutely ridiculous.
Yes, I agree. But on the other hand the peasants in the overwhelmingly Hungarian areas didn’t ask for the war and the discrimination of their non-Hungarian neighbours. I think that for at least 80% the repartition was just.
„… the peasants in the overwhelmingly Hungarian areas didn’t ask for the war …“ The Hungarians today do not ask for poverty either – they choose an Orban system in which they automatically become poor. You can say that the general education is underground, but that is not the fault of the neighbouring countries.
Hungarians could call themselves lucky after WW1 and WW2 – others were chased out of their country (like the Germans in Hungary in 1945) or just killed like the Jews.
The only positive aspect I see there is that Hungarians in the neighbouring countries haven’t (yet …) resorted to terrorist activities on a large scale – unlike some crazies in South Tyrol two generations ago.
VO looks as if he is following his eminence POTUS. Both are veering to the deranged and lunatic. Their heads with conspiracies upon conspiracies are filled with high octane fuel. Matches in their pockets.
Clausewitz:
‘War is the province of chance. In no other sphere of human activity must such a margin be left for this intruder. It increases the uncertainty of every circumstance and deranges the course of events’.
Does Europe have to go through all ‘that’ again? Magyarorszag’s turuls really are ‘for the birds’. The more they hang around the more they’ll be like haunting albatrosses on Magyar and European necks. That cackling Orban aviary has to seed danger.
Next up, Orban bringing in the viziers of clairvoyance and their seances and prophecies for the Magyar future. Magyarorszag gone bonko because of turuls. That has to be something walking through bird turd.
WW1 was unjust on both sides in my opinion, essentially an economic war, where the working class were sent to die in great numbers and terrible conditions so that the wealthy could maintain or increase their prosperity. As for the settlement, I guess history is written by the winners but it could have been better in respect of Hungary, as detailed by princess below, and also in respect of Germany, where the punitive reparations may have contributed to generating the conditions that allowed for WW2.
That is correct, firstly a war is always an economic one even if an increase in territory is claimed. And it is always so that innocent people who never wanted to kill anyone have killed or been killed. Also that the decisions after the first world war paved the way to the second world war is right. But it is also true that almost nobody who took part in the wars was innocent, except those who were killed in the KZs and those Forced Laborer who were killed by German industry or was jewish Worker Soldiers.
WW1 at least had one positive result:
Almost everywhere the crazy kings and emperors were thrown out – or even killed.
I followed that in school but soon got tired of it – all of them were related (just think of Queen Victoria’s inheritance, the blood sickness) but still they fought like crazy children – and of course their poor subjects had to pay for this.
King by the grace of God, the kings, with the help of the church, enslaved the citizens. The women were the worst off for a long time and were not even allowed to inherit. When the man died they were on the street, this oppression is still active today. Today women can inherit and vote but they are still worse paid for the same work that men do. Do you remember the program “the seventh sense”? totally misogynistic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=968o1jem0Yo
Wolfi, the democracy index lists 22 “full democracies”. Best in the list is the kingdom of Norway. 12 of the 22 are republics, 10 have a monarch as head of state. In the higher rated states within the full democracies only 4 out of 11 are republics. A monarchy doesn’t mean having a “crazy king”, it is even more that the countries having a monarch today means these countries didn’t loose WWI (read winners or neutral) and had time to develop democracy. And throwing out the 3 emperors during and at the end of WWI didn’t bring peace and democracy either. The winner Italy remained a kingdom and was even the first where fascism abolished the democracy Italians had before. So there is neither a positive nor a negative link between monarchy and democracy.
“firstly a war is always an economic one”, sometimes more than others, if one country is invaded by another, the country that has been attacked might not be motivated mainly by economic reasons (e.g. Bosnia-Hercegovina against the Milosevics regime).
“But it is also true that almost nobody who took part in the wars was innocent, except…”
If you lived in the Soviet Union and tried to avoid conscription, you might have faced a worse fate.
Also, back in 1914, it was a different world, probably not many people even thought they could disobey the orders of their government…
Trianon is not about individual innocent people who did not want to know about a war. It’s about how an idiot like Orban thinks he’s better than others. War is not a digital event either. A country is evolving towards something you can read and see and feel … like today in Orbanistan. And all those who remain silent today are partly to blame as it once was.
In the compromise that led to the formation of the Austro-Hungarian Empire in 1867, the Slavs, although constituting the overwhelming majority, were sacrificed by the two major partners. Croatia fell under the domination of Hungary, and Slovenia under that of Austria. The Austrian chancellor, Friedrich von Beust, declared that “the Slavs are not fit to rule, they must be governed.” The first Hungarian prime minister, Count Gyula Andrassy, told Chancellor von Beust: “You look after your barbarians and we will look after ours.”…July 24, International Herald Tribune
Not sure what VO wants to do with this
T&T business , Turuls and Trianon, but if his orientation swings to something like what Andrassy said to von Beust back with the ‘Ausgleich’’ of 1867 CE ethnic-linguistic states will be revved up like a beehive with a revived Magyar ‘empire’.
The mouse that roared, or all hat, but no cattle, as they would say in Texas. Another pathetic and thoroughly nauseating piece of evidence of the horrific impoverishment of Hungarian political thought, which appears to have got frozen in time sometime in 1938/39. Meantime notwithstanding four decades of communist brainwashing, the Horthyst restoration is well on its way in Hungary, and is step by step slowly but surely nearing completion. Indeed, the ideology and proportion of parliamentary representation of today’s Fidesz/Fidelitas/KDNP resembles nothing so much as those of the prewar Party of Hungarian Life (A Magyar Élet Pártja or MÉP), just as the respective ideologies and levels of popular support of Jobbik/Our Homeland (Mi Hazánk) resemble nothing so much as the widely popular Hungarist and Arrocross (Nyilas) factions in and out of parliament at the time. The two biggest differences between Fidesz and the prewar MÉP are (1) that a marriage of convenience exists between the covertly antisemitic Orbán regime and the right wing nationalist regime run by Israel’s Netanyahu, and that (2) while today the overt and vicious antisemitism of the Jew Laws of 1938-1941 would not as yet fly (though it is of course… Read more »
Correction:
. . . . (2) while today the overt and vicious antisemitism of the Jew Laws of 1938-1941 would not as yet fly (though it is of course early days yet in the Horthyst restauration in Hungary, and who knows what the future might actually bring).
Incorrect and unnecessary correction. Please disregard. I have no edit function and no way to delete.
You do have editing function. Click on wheel that allows you to edit.
Apologies, Professor Balogh, but which wheel and where do I find it? Sorry to be so slow on the uptake.
The mouse pointer must be over your post and only then the gear wheel appears in the lower right corner.
@Don Kichote
June 10, 2020 8.23 am
Thanks for your very kind help! :-)))
Of course edit is only available for a short time – though I haven’t measured it yet.
What I really miss:
In the old system new comments were marked in yellow, so easier to find.
And though I’ve been a member for many years wp declares me still to be just a guest.
But of course all this is irrelevant compared to the quality of dear Eva’s writing on HS.
PS and not too much OT:
A short article on Trianon by Paul Lendvai was published just before June 4 in the Austrian newspaper STANDARD (soory, only in German) – and the almost 500 comments are crazy and/or funny!
https://www.derstandard.at/story/2000117822529/ungarns-todesurkunde-von-1920-das-trianon-trauma
It starts with a picture of O1G and says a few not very nice things about him and his revisionism. 🙂 🙂
Dolchstoßlegende and admiration of Horthy …
Orban’s militarism is totally the mouse that roared. I have my doubts that the existing Hungarian Army could defeat the Slovenian Army in conventional combat. But it would be a close contest because the only Slovenian combat aircraft are 9 Pilatus PC-9 is a single-engine, low-wing tandem-seat turboprop aircraft manufactured by Pilatus Aircraft of Switzerland.
Hungary has homemade 5th-generation jet-fighters.
That’s a good one! Tnx.
“But the decisive battle must be fought by the fifth generation of Trianon that will follow us”
Don’t expect any results from us, we will battle, it will cost a lot of money, there will be lots of conflicts, but the results will be attained only in the future, meanwhile rest assured that you are on the winning side.
Is that sarcasm ?
Translation.
Not at all. It is politics in Hungary.
Have a look at Thomas Morus book „Utopia“. You will find the same nonsense about happiness, Uniform look and golden toilets. O1G lives in this world
The “Evaluation Committee” of the EPP could not agree whether to expel FiDeSz or not, so it dissolved itself.
van Rompuy:
https://twitter.com/EPP/status/1270369837903118338
Net result: Orban’s FiDeSz is still member of the European People’s Party, not expelled.
Remarkable state of indirection: Is this EPP the rudder of the EU ship of states?
It would very much like to be and exactly because of that, they hang on to every vote they can get, especially from Right-sympathisers. Much of EPP is composed of S. German (Bayerische) Konservatives and it is surely their influence that has prevented action on Orban-the Awful.
Even more to the south, Bimbi! The 3 “wise” men didn’t agree about further steps and it was Austrian’s “wise” Schüssel who protected Orbán. Van Rompuy ended the commission, since he saw a lot of work to get Hungary back on the rails of democracy and Schüssel wanted FIDESZ membership restored immediately without any further changes in Hungary. Next step Tusk has to take now.
The EPP isn’t the rudder – it’s a port side plug at midship. As long as it sits firmly, the threatening port side list of the vessel is manageable in calm seas.
LOL ! Rompuy ! ..one of “the three wise men”… “could not agree on was to happen in HU”….I still vividly recall the debates here at HS which were raging a year ago or so, around the time of the EU elections.
Óvoda, I predicted that EPP will get a lot of votes less for its democracy deficit and it happened so. Voters in democratic countries don’t want to vote on a party that is in bed with the dictator. They choose another democratic party instead. Any democrat can “agree on was to happen in HU”. Just that you understand: conservatism doesn’t mean destruction, but Orbán is the master of destruction. If you’d ever been to Hungary before and past 2010 you’d seen that.
Just or not the borders of Hungary are as they are. It would require an upheaval of monumental proportions to achieve any significant change that might favour Hungary. It is not guaranteed that the battle that Orban predicated for the fifth generation, if fought, would result in his preferred outcome. He predicates some sort of restoration of the status quo ante.
The cities and regions he contemplated have undergone and are still undergoing sizeable ethnic changes. Orban’s tone, repeated time and time again, clearly shows that Hungary and Hungarian society is not and would not in the future be in a fit state to absorb and to manage successfully the restoration of areas with significant and maybe majority number of people of non Hungarian ethnicity.
“It would require an upheaval of monumental proportions to achieve any significant change that might favour Hungary.”
The little guy’s only goal is to make Hungarians feel humiliated, abandoned and besieged by the evil others (liberals, Brussels, refugees, non-white people, non-Christians…). Because those who feel besieged will request a “strong” leader.
Not really: people demand a strong leader because they are anxious, impatient, alienated, and already angry at the “elite”. They have no patience for “democracy” (neverending deliberation, legal processes, out of touch expert opinions) and so they want deciders, real leaders who waste no time with committees, readings, proposals and so on. Most people in their lives already experience these bullshit obligations made up by educated experts in Budapest or Brussels. If you are a teacher, or a doctor, or a nurse, or a farmer, or a entrepreneur transporting freight or selling any widgets, there are tons and tons of administrative obligations you have to comply with, so you basically cannot actually do your real job; and you get new systems, new forms, new software etc. etc. all the time. It’s insane how much bullshit formalities one has to comply with. Attorneys now basically have to be IT experts too, it’s really madness. Which is why most people hate “experts” and “managers” in suits and the “elite”, in general. They want leaders who understand them (at least can communicate understanding to such folks) and who are “deciders”. Unfortunately Orban provides that character perfectly. It’s… Read more »
Marty, what you wrote may well be valid for “the Deplorables” but not for sane people with a certain intelligence.
They could/should remember how things were in Europe before – every country having their different laws and rules, checks at every border …
I still remember how long it took us to drive to Spain, Yugoslavia or Greece on holidays – sometimes the waiting at the borders took almost as long as the driving …
PS and a bit OT:
Depending on what BoJo gets done the Brits are in a for a kind of surprise soon.
Not at all; a lot of educated professionals with degrees don’t understand why they have to do all these administration (always backed by some expert papers). Like I said, I could talk a lot about the legal profession which was almost entirely transferred onto state-managed proprietary computer systems (there are many of them of course, to make life more complicated) in the last few years and all financial accounting now must go onto state-managed billing systems. Things got much more bureaucratic, lengthy and more expensive (as a lot of IT people must be hired, secretaries who can handle system are more expensive etc. etc.). And so on.
Working people (not working class, but people with jobs) are frustrated and impatient. Plus of course the salaries of many did not follow real inflation. Frustrated people want quick decisions.
Marty for me, who is living in the reality of Hungarian bureaucracy, it is very clear that our problems are not made by the EU rules, but the Hungarian ones. After working in Hungary with foreign companies for 25 years I experienced a relief past 2004 and again a hard growth if bureaucracy thanks to Orbán. Everybody having to do with Hungarian bureaucrats knows that! Often difficult to explain to EU customers. We even have an expression: Hungarians invented bureaucracy.
For most voters they are the exact same people (“the elite experts in suits who know nothing about real life on the ground”). Whether in Budapest or Brussels they are alien to most voters (working people) who are uneducated and simple.
They would just want to do their jobs but cannot as there are so many papers to fill etc.
I could talk about the legal world (indeed all of them local obligations) but the point is that most people hate these “far away, invisible elite experts”.
It’s a huge waste of time and energy and people are impatient; they want leaders who can decide without much bullshitting.
By the way David Graeber’s Bullshit Jobs is a good book on the subject.
And that beholds the ‘Grand Betegseg’..
Ironically degrade the country and things in it and then stir the fire sticks. If its war the country will want to immediately ‘look up’ to its ‘strong leader’. An old , tired and sick script in the modern age after two devastating world wars. More than troublesome this kind of thinking within the EU.
Europe should hope some people are watching very carefully. Possibly again they may have to go on clean up duty in an unhealthy environment.
[Revenues of all local governments]/GDP
2010: 12%
2019: 6.5%
This is what Orban wants to cut further next year.
https://www.portfolio.hu/gazdasag/20200609/csuf-vilag-jon-az-onkormanyzatokra-es-ezt-az-emberek-is-megerzik-436208
The people will feel the cuts but will of course blame the municipalities.
Tnx Tappanch
This is the creeping fascism, turning the screws, heating up the forg’s water. Hajra…( just wait a bit more until I leave).
Just a note. I live in southern Slovakia and I know only a handfull of Hungarians who are nostalgic of the greater Hungary. There might be more who are quiet but some are pretty outspoken and they can talk freely, no-one persecutes them. There are even cars in SVK with great Hungary bumper stickers like in Hungary. Some people told me that they want just the Vienna award territories, including my hometown,thats enough for them. Well, 1. Those territories were not all hungarian-majority back then (now there are even less hungarians here, in my hometown less than 30 %) and 2. Hungary claimed more than awarded in Vienna, it waged a war against Slovakia to conquer it all right before the WW2 and stopped only on an order from Hitler. Still they managed to get some areas in the east and some ore-rich regions in the center where there were almost no Hungarians living. But on a more optimistic note, I know a former fighter jet pilot of the Slovak army, active in the 90s and he told me that they were constantly drilling defense of Slovak airspace from the attack by Hungary. So I think we can rest safely… Read more »
One must not forget the Hungarian own-goal committed in 1944 by sending the Hungarian-speaking Jewish population of southern Slovakia and northern Transylvania to Auschwitz.
Mother tongue of the Jewish population of Hungary in 1910 [1880]
Hungarian: 76.9% [58.5%],
Yiddish & German: 21.6% [34.6%],
Slovak: 0.6% [ 3.5%],
Rusyn: 0.3% [ 1.7%],
Romanian: 0.1% [ 1.4%],
Croatian & Serb: 0.1% [ 0.7%]
Source:
p.578
http://www.ksh.hu/statszemle_archive/all/2020/2020_06/2020_06_573.pdf
Please notice that the percentages add up to 100.7% in 1880.
I have found some very interesting data in the 1880 census.
A.
Self-professed primary language in greater Hungary (including Croatia-Slavonia & Fiume):
Hungarian: 39.68% = 6206872/15642102
Self-professed primary language in Hungary (excluding Croatia-Slavonia & Fiume) among the civilian population:
Hungarian: 44.91% = 6165088/13728622
Romanian: 16.93%
German (including Yiddish): 13.10%
Slovak: 13.04%
Croat & Serb: 4.79%
cannot speak: 3.64%
Ruthenian: 2.49%
Gypsy: 0.55%
Slovenian: 0.44%
In Croatia, there was no “cannot speak” category for infants and for the mute.
B.
Men and women were roughly in equal numbers among the ethnic groups.
But there were two unbelievable exceptions:
German women/men: 1.081
Slovak women/men: 1.095
Compare this with
Hungarian women/men: 1.031
Romanian women/men: 0.970
Total in Hungary [w/o Croatia], women/men: 1.034
Possible solution: a lot of German & Slovak men were not counted in the census !!
Source:
https://library.hungaricana.hu/hu/view/NEDA_1881_01/?pg=257&layout=s
https://library.hungaricana.hu/hu/view/NEDA_1881_01/?pg=258&layout=s
Hungarian speakers in 1880, without the Hungarian-speaking Jewish population:
including Croatia & Fiume: 37.29%
excluding Croatia & Fiume: 42.24%
To me it’s revolting, unthinkable, in AD 2020, in the European Union, neighboring countries supposedly having sorted out all their issues (otherwise not being in the EU in the first place) are still measuring their military power, are still imagining war type scenarios of one attacking the other one. This is not how things are supposed to be. Not inside EU.
Catalina
In addition to reading the info here, listen to private talk among Fidesz faithful, you will be stunned by the aggression and hatred they spew and the delusional daydreams they reveal. I’m often flabbergasted by their nonsense.
Who supposes all the issues are sorted out? If you cant imagine that someone might attack you, you will end up like Ukraine. Note that those drills were defensive not offensive. I am not happy that some Hun. nationalists want a part of my country. But what can I do about it? Only treat all the people in SVK fairly, including hungarians and hope the big countries around us wont have bad plans with us (we are smaller than any of our neighbors.)
Btw. both Slovenia and Croatia and also Portugal and Spain have official unresolved border disputes among themselves. and all are in the EU.
Wait! Border disputes are a very regular thing even among good neighbours. Don’t forget the dynamics nature has, so borders aren’t forever. Most of them are solved in friendly agreement. But what Orbán claims here has a very different quality, at the very end he denies the existence of member states!
I was just reacting to Catalin. Is it really the case that he “denies the existence of member states”. Has he actually stated that, even implicitly? I always thought that the nationalist part of Hungarian society wants just the ethnic borders, i.e. all the municipalities where there is 50%+1 hungarians willing to vote for secession (or first autonomy, then secession). Is there really a politically relevant drive to restore Hungary in pre 1918 borders?
Orban needs a new psychiatrist appointment or he’s off his meds. He should take his troops with him so that the monkey Hungarian behaviour becomes more understandable … for EU politicians. Get well soon O1G.
I really like Ovidiu’s “cultural fetish”! Nevertheless, VO’s speech it is meant to throw a curtain of smog on his inability/incapacity to deal with the recent COVID-19 outbreak, or the rising critics from the EU. After all, “to preserve the Carpathian Basin” translates into “I still need the votes of the Hungarian ethnics from abroad”.
Another interesting element of VO’s speech, was the omission of Austria, Romania and Ukraine from the row of the neighboring countries called to “enjoy building a common future”.
“throw a curtain of smog on his inability/incapacity to deal with the recent COVID-19 outbreak”
Actually Fidesz is gaining in polls (see “Marty” bellow) hence the public judges favorably how Fidesz dealt with the crisis. No need for such a smog.
“was the omission of Austria, Romania and Ukraine”
None of these countries are interested in Orban’s “post-EU” plans for a “Central Europe”, with HU at its center of course, and its own space-program.
What baffles me constantly is Poland’s tolerance, even friendship, given Orban’s constant pro-Russia positions.
Poland is walking on a tight rope. The Poles’ religious and conservative feelings are real, as opposed to Orban’s fake opportunistic drama. They would also like to derive some benefits from being in the EU, like being able to work abroad.
And they would no doubt like to continue being as religious and conservative as they want to, without being under the wing of the self-declared worldwide leader of the Christians, Putin. History has taught Poland to beware of the Russians even when they bring gifts – something many other nations forget.
“None of these countries are interested in Orban’s “post-EU” plans for a “Central Europe”, with HU at its center of course, and its own space-program.”
That’s the difference between thoughtful politicians and Orbán….
Quebec, Canada, proposing an Orban law
In the Orban/Trump era I didn’t think anything could shock me any more. But here it is:
https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/caq-creates-website-to-promote-bill-61-following-spread-of-false-information-1.4977549
And if you understand French here is a law professor making the obvious connection with Hungary
https://www.facebook.com/journalmetro/videos/1352980761563477/
And it’s Donald Trump’s wet dream too…
Why should anyone read this? Don’t we have enough on our plate as it is? No, I am not tempted.
Bimbi, please don’t get upset, but some of us believe that Orban acts in concert with other country leaders and sometimes even on instructions from them. Like for instance he toned down his irredentist rhetoric against Vojvodina so as not to upset Putin’s plans of having the Serbs as allies.
And that his intentionally despotic behaviour at home and brazen interference abroad and defiance of the EU rules is meant to embolden other countries to also defy the EU and speed up its demise.
The French in Quebec have always had parties with nationalistic tendencies, just like Hungarian minorities in the countries around Hungary. So the comparison with Orban is spot on – from extreme nationalism it’s just a step to authoritarianism.
And the professor’s comparison with Donald Trump is also correct because he too dismantled some environmental protections just like the Legault government will be able to do under the new law.
Having experienced that French nationalism during the 70’s it was an eye opener how other cultures outside of Canada were swept into the maelstrom of the time. There was no escape from being affected by it.
Being an American at that time in Quebec was an experience to be used as some illustrative political and cultural education in times of great turmoil. We as onlookers could hear and feel the nationalistic blasts. If it was up to some it would have been preferred if we just stayed downstream on the St. Lawrence . Nationalism does that.
A Quebec picture made ‘on the spot’ hangs on our wall: ‘Vue de Eglise de Notre Dame de la Victoire’ …..Richard Short, the artist , shows the church partially destroyed as it was in 1759. But it was eventually rebuilt after the war.
Not surprisingly – given the complete muteness and impotence of the opposition (and that includes all parties) – Fidesz is now gaining in the polls. Median, which is the most reliable pollster, says so. Gabor Török, Hungary’s most famous politologist (political scientist), probably saw unpublished poll data when last week he claimed that the government made a 180 turn politically and was now owning the situation and that if the opposition continues to do nothing as it had been so far, it was surely gonna lose big time in 2022 (as no government in 30 years has ever been so popular at half time as Fidesz is right now). This particular poll was made via (mobile) phone so this may even overestimate the popularity of the opposition since the reachable set of people are more likely to be urban and educated. Every day, I wake up naively expecting some shrewd, popular move by any of the opposition parties, but every day the parties continue to disappoint. The last idiotism being MSZP’s stupid video by a strange women which blew up in MSZPs hands (ie. the message is clear: MSZP is just hapless and stupid, they can’t possibly… Read more »
To present an article behind a paywall is not helpful.
“Not surprisingly – given the complete muteness and impotence…”
It is really foolishness. They can’t accept that Orban has been right all along about few things and then start for there. They are trapped in waiting for cues from, and then slavishly parroting, the West. Figuratively speaking, the best that they can come with is to put some Kurdish flags on the city-hall in Budapest and wait for the “wise men” to visit them so they can vent off and complain about Orban.
Óvoda, you have a problem with your understanding again! The “wise” men (among them Schüssel has proven to be an idiot again) are not interested in the democratic parties of Hungary. They are sent by the conservative EPP to check whether the Orbán regime fits into the conservative values of the EPP. 2/3 said that Hungary has to change a lot to become a full member of EPP again (changes that can’t happen at all, since under democratic circumstances Orbán would be voted away and under the rule of law he would be sent to jail). But Orbán is not interested in 2/3 this time. And since Marty just listens to the stories Orbán media tells about the opposition and a lot here have proven him wrong about “muteness”, quoting him shows you’re just ignorant.
I follow politics more closely than 99% of Hungarians. If I don’t see the opposition than they – for all practical purposes – don’t exist (especially for people outside Budapest). There is no new story, new narrative, new vision. Putting up serious posts onto FB to be “liked” by a few dozen contacts will not do, I guess we can agree on that.
I try to overhear conversations at the greengrocer’s, when waiting at the doctors, going to the pool =to be honest, I haven’t heard any opposition leaning comments this way
for years, and a ton of pro-Fidesz, anti-migrant, anti-gipsy etc. talks.) etc. etc. also when talking to in laws, over the fence to their neighbors, their friends etc. etc. and I absolutely did not detect any change in the moods politically.
People are not upset, not angry at the government, no change in the mood so far and this is in line with the polls. It would be the opposition’s job to make people upset and angry but they are not. Certainly no sign of flipping any fideszniks to vote for the opposition.
No, this is very simple. The opposition is like a corpse.
It’s one of the big misteries of life. There are so many opposition parties and none of them can do anything remotely interesting, attention-grabbing, humane (funny, cute, “he is like us” moment), let alone anything which would send the subtext message that they care, that they undertand the problems of the average joes, that they are “leaders” who can be trusted “to lead the nation”.
You can give 10 interviews in HVG (printed in 30k copies, or any individual articles ready by 30-50k readers on the internet at most) or appear on ATV every day (with its 300k daily viewers) etc. etc. millions of rural people will still give shit about you.
Orban keeps tightening the informational, legal and financial noose around the neck of the opposition and “Marty” just keeps braying that the opposition hasn’t got a winning slogan for the o-joes. Try this one from the master:
Magyaroknak Adj Gazdagságot Azonnal (MAGA)
Marty
Your habitual BS is like saying how weak, clueless, etc was the victim ambushed by some thugs. And you never revealed your recipes for what is the bound and gagged opposition supposed to do against the baseball bat wielding thugs.
Several years ago i went on a road trip with some cousins from Esztergom to Slovenia and visited extended members our family living there. All of the ones I met were retired and spoke Hungarian and Slovene interchangeably. Those I met they lived in areas near Dobrovnik (Dobronak), but at least one of the children from that group of my extended family lived then in Esztergom and apparently some also lived in Germany. In general those older members of my extended family were not very interested in Hungarian nationalism, but since then Orban has effectively taken over Hungarian Self-Governing National Community (MMONK). There was a good article not long ago on this take over of MMONK by Fidesz which has its focus on the Slovenian town of Lendava https://balkaninsight.com/2020/01/30/in-a-hungarian-corner-of-slovenia-a-homegrown-orban/ . I have had no contact with that part of our extended family since Orban has consolidated his control over MMONK. But I can’t imagine there are too many younger Hungarian speakers left near Dobrovnik, the population is pretty old there. See https://www.total-slovenia-news.com/lifestyle/4068-population-ageing-shrinking-present-serious-problems-for-slovenia-s-future . In general I agree with Eva this Orban greater Hungary stuff seems out of touch with the realities of Hungarian language groups in post Trianon areas of what… Read more »
“Not in Orban’s Hungary” news :
Britain is in the throes of a Cultural Revolution. Statues are being tumbled, past art erased, people cancelled. Wide-eyed Woke Guards, heirs to Maoist-style intolerance, are compiling lists of monuments to target and individuals to humiliate. They are remorseless. Nothing old that runs counter to their newthink can be tolerated. Tear it all down.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/06/10/this-has-become-a-neo-maoist-war-on-the-past/
some details from UK ( but then Thomas Jefferson owned 600 slaves)
.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8405641/Now-130-Labour-councils-draw-hit-list-statues-colonial-ties.html
Yes Óvoda, we need more slave traders!
A Christopher Columbus statue in Boston was beheaded overnight
https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/06/10/christopher-columbus-statue-beheaded-boston-massachusetts/
Compared to the number of people Clumbus and his men killed on their journeys this is insignificant …
Team Ovidiot is getting funnier and funnier … 🙂 🙂
PS:
This site is about HUNGARY!
Sounds like mayhem over there in the UK, Invidious, but think about it. Even if half of the friggin’ Turul Madarok were tipped into the Danube, there would still be nearly a hundred left over after that! What is this obsession of Magyarok and birds anyway? Geeze, you’d think that they wouldn’t let the old woman go out to feed the geese by now without an armed guard…
Ovidiu can´t you Ovidiududasni how many slaves Orban has besides you?
This one with Bela never gets old. Caution to the EU..watch that ‘Borgo Pass’.
Timely advice from the fellow of the fearful falu:
‘Nyuksik le a nap’. 😎☝️
https://youtu.be/sbz_Xq2aEQQ
On the eve of the centenary of Trianon, wished to be “magnificent and tragic” by the Hungarian government, Stefano Bottoni analyzes the role of this event in the political rhetoric of Viktor Orbán.
“What he actually does is rather using the past to emphasize the key role of Hungary in Central Europe in the post-liberal age of disillusion towards the West. When he ostensibly cultivates good relations with the economic and political circles of the neighboring countries, Orbán not only counterbalances his own nationalist rhetoric, but also sets its pragmatic illiberalism as a new pragmatic model for handling a troubled past and settling down bilateral issues. “
https://www.institutmontaigne.org/en/blog/beyond-trianon-place-history-political-discourse-viktor-orban
A really naive “analysis” of O1G just concentrating on a few “facts”:
As usual in these reactionary/right wing circles important info is left out
a peace treaty that reduced the new country’s territory by two thirds, and made millions of fellow citizens of the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy second-class minorities in the successor states.
The fact that Hungarians were a minority in Greater Hungary isn’t even mentioned – which gives a totally stupid image of Trianon
And don’t even think of Magyarization …
Eva when you mentioned in your post new histories on the 1918-19 period Peter Apor’s study on the Hungarian Soviet Republic as it was understood by the Hungarian Stalinists post WWII comes to my mind. The party initiated a revision of the history of 1919 according to the work of Peter Apor due to its problematic implications of Béla Kun’s elimination during the Stalinist purges.
What other histories were you thinking about when you wrote that passage Eva?
Books by Balázs Ablonczy (Trianon legendák, Az ismeretlen Trianon), Pál Hatos (Az elátkozott köztársaság), Tamás Révész (Nem akartak katonát látni). In general the historians of the Lendület Trianon 100 Kutatócsoport.