Orbán’s high school pal, who taught him the little history he knows, is worried about his profession

The following dialogue is from László Kéri’s book on the prime minister, titled Orbán Viktor (Budapest: Századvég, 1994), pp. 16-17.

As a student were you a reader? Yes, I did read but not enough. I was lucky because Robi Hermann and I shared a desk all through my four years. He was a genius when it came to history. He already knew that he was going to be a historian and he became one. He is a researcher now in the Institute of Military History. He was already doing research on Görgey, and in the 12th grade he won the nationwide history competition.

Was it the presence of this friend that enabled you to know enough history? Yes, he told me to read this or that. At one point, he was working on a lengthy study on Rákóczi, and he suggested a few books about him. I had to read a lot about Görgey because he expected it of me. I also went to the movies, but I preferred action films and not so much the artistic ones. Fighting, chases, excitement, cars. I’m a late bloomer.

Do you still keep in touch with some of your schoolmates? Of course. I regularly meet my friend Robert Hermann, and occasionally I ask him for help when it comes to topics where historical accuracy is important.

Just as Viktor Orbán told László Kéri in 1994, Hermann always wanted to be a historian, and today he is considered to be the leading expert on 1848-1849. Indeed, he started his career in the Institute of Military History and continued as a researcher at the Veritas Institute, established by the Orbán government. He has been serving as president of the Hungarian Historical Association since 2015.

And yet, Árpád Nagy, editor-in-chief of the online edition of Magyar Nemzet, didn’t spare Róbert Hermann during the ugly debate on the Freemasons and Trianon, which is still going on. Hermann had dared to point out on his Facebook page that of the six “professors” who supported Árpád Szakács’s attack on professional historians, only one is a historian, but her field is the political history of the Rákosi and Kádár periods and not the history of the Freemasons and Trianon.

Nagy argues that Hermann, as the scientific deputy commander of the Institute of Military History, should be mindful not to discredit himself. As it is, Hermann is a suspect character who writes articles in such publications as Mérce, Index, 444, Népszava, 24, and Vasárnap. “Anyone who is just a bit familiar with Hungarian public life will surely guess what Hermann is all about. We can rightly ask what kind of heavyweight left-liberal (ballib) propaganda he is spreading in the Hungarian (!) Historical Society and in the doctoral school of Károli Gáspár Calvinist University. He as a civil servant should pay attention to at least the appearance of impartiality.”

Róbert Hermann conducting a walking tour to commemorate March 15, 1848

In response, Robert Hermann gave an interview to Valóság Online a week ago. From the interview it is evident that he considers himself to be a man of conservative views when it comes to current politics, but I suspect that he disapproves of his old schoolmate’s sharp ideological turn to the far right and is disgusted by Magyar Nemzet, whose “founder and editor-in-chief, Sándor Pethő, would be watching today in despair at the thought police who have taken over his newspaper.” He compares the style of Magyar Nemzet to that of the gutter press of the 1930s and the Rákosi period. “After 1956 the press could be considered civilized” in comparison to what’s going on in some of the pro-government papers today.” Moreover, he is convinced that “we are still not at the end of the attacks on historians,” but “the profession expects respect from those engaged in the debate. Those with whom we disagree cannot be the enemy of the nation, the spoiler of the youth, and God knows what else.”

Our conservative military historian recognizes the same dangers as the “libernyákok” do when politicians want to make decisions about “questions of science.” There are people “who, after reading three books on any given topic, are the self-styled equal of experts on questions of history.” Hermann doesn’t see a planned attempt to tear the historical community apart, but “it is becoming clear that a certain group of people has managed to get into a position which tries to compensate for its lack of knowledge with aggression.” He fears that politicians will interfere with the freedom of research by withholding financial resources from topics not favored by them.

Hermann is trying to be optimistic when it comes to the future of his profession in the current political climate, but I had the distinct feeling that he shares the forebodings of his interviewer, Barna Borbás of Válasz Online, who pointed to the large sums of money that are being given even to “alternative” historical research, like Minister of Human Resources Miklós Kásler’s “research institute” on the origins of Hungarians. Because Kásler, only two days ago, said in an interview that “the ancient writings and the Hungarian folk tradition must be reinterpreted.” This is not Róbert Hermann’s opinion. He lauded the tremendous work that has been done on pre-historic Hungary, the Hungarian Middle Ages, Mohács, the Turkish occupation, the Hungarian Reformation, and so on by academic historians.

Finally, Orbán’s high school class will hold its 40th reunion next year, and Viktor always attends. Perhaps Hermann will have an opportunity to inquire from his high school pal what he has in mind as far as the future of Hungarian historiography is concerned.

July 27, 2020
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dos929
dos929
July 27, 2020 11:32 pm

I very much doubt that Orban has read any literature, historical or otherwise, since he grabbed power in 1998. He, compared to your average ‘libernyák’, is an illiterate bore, whose energy and mental efforts spent on staying in power by any means possible. He is by no means stupid, but whatever brainpower he has is concentrated on topics that in a normal democracy and in normal times would land him in prison amongst likeminded criminals. Perhaps history never been void of characters like him, but in modern times it seems there are spreading like weed. It is mind blowing how people en masse can be fooled, taken for a ride and falling for fake propanda like Orban’s, Boris Johnson’s or Trump’s. But similarly unbelievable that learned politicians, ‘leaders of the free world’ are equally naive, stupid and indifferent to those characters that are very well on their way to drag humanity down to the abyss. One can argue that Lincoln’s famous lines about ‘You can fool…’ are no more than wishful thinking, and just the opposite is true, that is you can fool all the people all the time, except those of us who (alas too fast) becoming a minority… Read more »

Observer
Observer
July 28, 2020 3:01 am
Reply to  dos929

Pls, Orbàn’s is just a generic fascist regime of the current crop, with those of the mid Asian -stans ie. a type of dictatorship closest to the classical Mussolini (or Franco without the army) one. The main difference is the retention of the gutted facade of democracy, ie. fig leaves.
And Orbàn is not “robbing his country’s youth of real education…” only, but literally robbing the whole nation of thousands of billions during his reign.

Michael Detreköy
Michael Detreköy
July 28, 2020 3:16 am
Reply to  dos929

Those states, currently subscribing to national conservative and populist ideas, all share unresolved issues rooted in a 19th century nationalist mindset.
Irrational claims and demands inflate projected feelings of national dignity and craving, which are expressed in self-percieved images of physical size and cultural rank. These emotions flourish and grow without limits, in the manipulated educational and virtual electronic media-world.

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Misi bacsi
Misi bacsi
July 28, 2020 12:38 am

I am glad that Professor Balogh regularly comments on conservative historians such as Robert Hermann, let alone Krisztian Ungvary. These individuals are committed to truth and facts. Miklos Kasler, Viktor Orban and Marie Schmitt (none considered historians; even Schmitt is only considered a historian-by some- and then only in Hungary) are not committed to truth and/or facts. They have an echo here in America in the Trump administration and in Putin’s Russia.

Kata Marton
July 28, 2020 8:15 am
Reply to  Misi bacsi

Yet they ridicule the application of the methods of archeogenetics. Not very scientific, is it?

Misi bacsi
Misi bacsi
July 28, 2020 12:34 pm
Reply to  Misi bacsi

I want to edit what I wrote above as Hermann’s association with Veritas was/is the opposite of truth and facts. I apologize for ignoring that detail.

wrfre
wrfre
July 28, 2020 1:06 pm
Reply to  Misi bacsi

Regarding ‘truth’ in history…

You know if we think about that it is really impossible to determine absolute truth when interpreting past historical events. Historians really can only ‘approximate’ to the best of their ability when using their analytical gifts to describe and provide interpretations taking into account what occurred, who did them , why and how.

It’s very easy to alter history. Anybody can just do it. And that is why only individuals of particular character should engage in it. History associations in Magyarorszag today might want to make an assessment of the crippled social science. Why? The study of history now appears as if it is something to be sold by salesmen. It is none other than engaging in scripted ‘selling’ of a nostalgia infested past. Really ‘advertising‘ belongs to business not the subject of histories.

And from that we know that what’s on sale today could be different from yesterday or tomorrow. A country could go crazy flittering through all those history sales.

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Ovidiu
Ovidiu
July 28, 2020 2:29 am

Basically he is whining after being rough handled by Arpad Nagy…Though not as much as the article attempts to convey. In the absence of evidence, the impression is ‘helped’, magnified, by interspersing self-serving “I suspect that..”, “I had the distinct feeling…” mind-reading forays.

Hermann will have to come to terms with the reality that a new generation of historians, raised in a different political context, is up and coming. In turn this means that some of the historical interpretations (dear to him, into which he has invested himself during his career) will lose preeminence.

Last edited 1 year ago by Ovidiu
Observer
Observer
July 28, 2020 3:08 am
Reply to  Ovidiu

Ovi
I agree that historians, and scientists for that matter if we look at MTA’s faith, “will have to come to terms with the reality” of living and working in a dictatorship. Herman’s friendship with Orbàn will not save him, if he doesn’t tread the party line and forget about science.

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Lutra lutra
Lutra lutra
July 28, 2020 3:24 am
Reply to  Ovidiu

Seems like you’re conflating two issues. First there’s the change in historical interpretations, and whether the relative peace and near-universal rise in global standards due to social and technical progress is irreversible or an aberration in the bloody and self-interest driven history of mankind; second there’s a belief that a lack of tact and good manners is a sign of self-confidence and “authenticity”, not that one was necessarily raised in a trailer-park.

Bimbi
Bimbi
July 28, 2020 4:00 am

Robi Hermann, historian, is worried about his profession? We should be more worried about his erstwhile pupil who with the full power of ignorance tells us that history is what he says it is (or should be). Orbán the Trian-onanist – in – Chief is convinced that historical ‘truth’ is trumped by political conviction and uses his huge money-laundering machine to generate the faux theories and certainties of his (yuck, yuck) “research institutes”. Right Dr. Kásler?

That is the way the pumped-up portly PM operates. Eat it. 

wolfi7777
July 28, 2020 4:19 am
Reply to  Bimbi

When my friends ask me about Hungary’s history because they’ve heard or read the term “Greater Hungary” somewhere I always tell them it’s similar to “Großdeutschland” – and explain that Hungarians were just a minority in their Empire.
Then no more discussion about Hungarian historians and Hun history is needed.

petofi
petofi
July 28, 2020 5:31 am

I have discovered in 72 years on this hapless planet, that con artists like Trump and Barr…the louder they speak, the more they lie.

Marty
Marty
July 28, 2020 11:27 am
Reply to  Eva S. Balogh

The person was Lorand Ternesz and he was apparently on Vkontakte, the Russian FB. Why would somebody be a member on that site? He is also active on a number of obscure extreme right-wing sites.

Ivan V
Ivan V
July 28, 2020 7:22 pm
Reply to  Eva S. Balogh

Dear Prof Balogh, in deleting hateful comments, you may have overlooked petofi 5:27 am: galloping off again on his racist hobby horse.

Ivan V
Ivan V
July 29, 2020 3:46 pm
Reply to  Ivan V

Deleted!
Thank you!

Kata Marton
July 28, 2020 8:12 am

We need more discussion about the masons, their actions, and their sick pervy sub-cult.
It’s rather funny when an academic tries to suppress the free gathering and flow of information and then acts scared when caught at it.

wolfi7777
July 28, 2020 8:37 am
Reply to  Kata Marton

But we don’t need loonie Martons, their actions, and their sick pervy sub-cult. 🙂 🙂
Go to a site that’s as fascist as you – like haereticus.hu.
Enjoy!

Misi bacsi
Misi bacsi
July 28, 2020 12:23 pm
Reply to  Kata Marton

My grandfather was a mason:-> No “sick pervy sub cult”, just businessmen having a good time. It sounds like you could benefit from fun your self. Better than hatred and resentment.

Ferenc
July 28, 2020 1:57 pm
Reply to  Kata Marton

don’t be a…
watch it at
https://www.facebook.com/agostonlaszloartist/videos/1212051398898956/ [with Hungarian subtitles]

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wrfre
wrfre
July 28, 2020 10:19 am

Re: the rise of far right Magyar historians Carlyle was a famous British historian in the 19th who was not a flag raiser for democracy and embraced the ‘great man’ as hero in the theory of history. His view on the construction of history ranged as he called it on ‘distillation of rumor’. Considering the clashes now occurring in Magyar historiography it cannot be out of line to note that in some of its ‘schools’ writing histories not only incorporates rustling rumor but prevarication, mendacity and finally addIng a buffing type of shine to all that lies in the ‘obscure’. In this way then the assemblages of events in history are written and explained in context of the essential narrative. All that has become virtually an exercise in writing histories as ‘ex cathedra’ . They come as tome upon tome of mighty obfuscations. Indeed this is all signifies the writing of ‘military’ history. It has become a battle of pens and ideas marching with furious aggression to batter the democratic center and overwhelm its flanks. Orban, Magyarorszag and Pannonia. So far the only to be always considered in a ‘Western’ atmosphere is the last. Roman West, yes. Brussel’s West, argh.… Read more »

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Don Kichote
July 28, 2020 11:50 am

„Indeed, he started his career in the Institute of Military History and continued as a researcher at the Veritas Institute, established by the Orbán government.“

The “Truth Institute” Veritas Institute is a historical forgery institute and whoever works there is certainly not a historian, not even a hobby historian!

The massacre by the Wehrmacht the SS and the Hungarian gendarmerie in Novi Sad in 1942, two years before the German occupation, was, according to Veritas institute head Szakály, was a foreign police measure. Does this confused “historian” still exist?

comment image
https://444.hu/2014/01/17/lazar-szerint-a-zsidok-deportalasa-nem-idegenrendeszeti-eljaras-volt
444.hu „A Miniszterelnökség intézte a Veritas Intézet létrehozását. Úgy tűnik most nem annyira örülnek, hogy Szakály Sándor igazgató hülyeségeket beszél.
Többek között azt mondta, hogy“

And now someone is worried about his profession? That’s a laugh riot!

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Misi bacsi
Misi bacsi
July 28, 2020 12:31 pm
Reply to  Don Kichote

Thanks Don. Sadly, you are correct about the nonsense written about Novi Sad by another so called “historian”. Hopefully, Hermann has learned an important lesson as his past association with Veritas was a huge blunder. If still involved with Veritas, Hermann should resign.

Don Kichote
July 28, 2020 1:13 pm
Reply to  Misi bacsi

If I understood Eva correctly, he still works there. I have understood the article ambiguously once from the “historian” who sees a mistake and wants to be purified or a total stupid idiot who considers himself conservative.

That is why “Veritas” was the hanging point.

Misi bacsi
Misi bacsi
July 28, 2020 2:41 pm
Reply to  Don Kichote

Thanks Don. Yes, if Hermann still works at Veritas, that is an offense against scholarship and fact based research. I apologized at top of this chain for not catching the Veritas connection earlier. I hope that Hermann will evolve further given the rest of what he is quoted as saying in “Hungarian Spectrum” today.

Observer
Observer
July 28, 2020 7:46 pm
Reply to  Don Kichote

The Hu narrative is that the 1956 uprising was quashed in “unprecedented revenge” “mass shootings”, “bloodbath” etc https://www.origo.hu/tudomany/20120525-kadar-janos-1956-sortuzek-brusznyaiper-nagy-imre-peldatlan-megtorlasbol-szuletett.html
The cruelty of the Soviets and the communists during the street battles and the following executions are also part of the narrative. The official figures of the sentenced and executed, however, vary between 230 and 450 approx, of the total victims around 2500.
In comparison 3200-4000 peaceful civilians were killed within 3 days by the Hu army and gendarmes in a Novi Sad in January 1942.
And later came the 500 000 or so shipped to be exterminated in 1944/45 by the eager Hu fascists and even to the cheers of many https://www.google.com/search?q=racija+1942+novi+sad&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari#imgdii=O0qudFgunDBQIM&imgrc=Xy8T8qUZvNBUFM.
The Hu fascists, officials and civilians, basically got away with these crimes against humanity.

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Don Kichote
July 29, 2020 5:41 am
Reply to  Observer

„The Hu fascists, officials and civilians, basically got away with these crimes against humanity.“

This is Hungary’s problem nothing is discussed of the atrocities committed by Hungarians. Neither before the wars nor after the wars. The Hungarians made nothing in history to be proud of. The future looks no better.

wrfre
wrfre
July 28, 2020 1:24 pm

Big quote of the day:

’Histories make men wise; poets, witty; the mathematics, subtle; natural philosophy, deep; moral, grave, logic and and rhetoric, able to contend’. Francis Bacon..

The country in all its ‘sciences’ could be losing something. Arguably superstitions abound as reason gets twisted all over the place.

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D7 Denocrat
D7 Denocrat
July 28, 2020 1:35 pm

My only comment is that he looks to have taken much better care of himself, healthwise, than his erstwhile and portly classmate.
Do us a favour and keep thinking Kolbasz Viktor, think Kolbasz.

Exhack
Exhack
July 30, 2020 9:22 am

Rewriting history is a hallmark of a dictator.

Nicke
July 30, 2020 10:36 am

Hey
Currently Hungary faces various issues, including waste management, energy efficiency, and air, soil, and water pollution to meet EU requirements will require large investments.
Thanks