Ambassadorial tussle in Budapest: U.S. versus China

A change of pace is in order after so much discussion about the sad state of the Hungarian media. Today I’ll return to the illustrious U.S. Ambassador to Hungary, David Cornstein.

The last time his name appeared on the pages of Hungarian Spectrum was in early January of this year, when Professor Charles Gati made fun of him by calling attention to the ambassador’s unbounded admiration for Prime Minister Viktor Orbán. Perhaps Cornstein is vying for Zoltán Kovács’s job as communications director of the illiberal Hungarian government, he remarked.

Professor Gati wasn’t joking. Cornstein, who spends as little time as possible in Hungary, could be hired as Orbán’s P.R. man if he weren’t past retirement age (he’s 81). Hungary has had many mediocre American ambassadors, but Cornstein takes the cake, and therefore it is a good thing that his activities and pronouncements are limited. Recently, however, he gave interviews both in the United States and in Hungary.

Let me start with an interview he gave on July 5 to John Catsimatidis, the Trump-supporting, over-the-top American billionaire best known as the owner of New York City supermarket chain Gristedes, who started a podcast, “The CATS Roundtable.” I don’t know how many people tune in to his conversations, but Catsimatidis is quite capable of conducting more than ten interviews a day. Most of his interviewees are well known, especially to New Yorkers. Perhaps his highest profile recent guest was Roger Stone.

The interview with Cornstein was educational. We learned that Hungary is neither an Eastern nor a Western European country. It is situated in Central Europe, which a lot of people haven’t even heard of until now. Hungary is a country everybody loves, China as well as Russia, but one ought not to worry about the Hungarian government being too thick with the Russians or the Chinese because they suffered under communism for 40 years. One of the issues, he continued, that divides the people of the European Union is immigration. The forceful leader [Viktor Orbán] of the country wants Hungary to remain Hungarian, and “obviously” he doesn’t want any immigration from Africa. After rattling off some wrong numbers about Viktor Orbán’s political support, Cornstein confused Orbán’s anti-immigration policies and the Hungarian government’s closing of borders because of the pandemic. All, in all, Cornstein said, Hungary is the best kept secret in the world: a beautiful country, wonderful food and even better wines, happy and friendly people.

He gave a similar interview to ATV on July 17, from which we learned that the great admirer of Hungary had just returned from the United States after a four-month absence.

By contrast, his second interview, on MTV on July 22, caused quite a stir. Since he had spent the last four months in New York, he went into great detail about the wonderful work done in New York to contain COVID-19. He praised the discipline and cooperation of the residents, which resulted in stopping the pandemic in the city and state. But then Cornstein, a friend and supporter of Donald Trump, went on to repeat Trump’s anti-Chinese mantra, which upset Chinese ambassador to Hungary Duan Juelong mightily. Yesterday he wrote an opinion piece, which was published in Magyar Nemzet.

Duan Juelong wasn’t exactly diplomatic when he called Cornstein’s accusations “lies.” While China was battling the virus and many countries, including Hungary, gave much appreciated assistance, “the American government and some American politicians, setting aside science and professionalism, used manipulative racist epithets, calling COVID-19 the Chinese virus.” Yet China sent more than 4.4 billion masks to the United States, which means that, in theory, thanks to China, every inhabitant of the United States received 14 masks. During this time, the U.S. government did everything in its power to undermine international solidarity and to politicize the pandemic. Trump’s policy of “America first” ignores diplomatic dignity and all moral foundations. Duan Juelong  then lashed out at the anti-China policies of Donald Trump.

Péter Szijjártó confirms that Huawei will be building Hungary’s 5G network / Photo: MTI/Hungary Today

I assume that Duan Juelong couldn’t possibly have written this attack on the United States, in the course of criticizing the U.S. ambassador to Hungary, without authorization from his minister of foreign affairs. I also assume that David Cornstein received some instructions before he placed an answer on the web site of the U.S. Embassy in Budapest. Since the Chinese ambassador was not far off the mark on Trump’s ill-will and incompetence, Cornstein avoided all critical remarks about Washington’s handling of the crisis and concentrated on the evils of the communist system and the threat China poses to the democratic world. He criticized the medical equipment that came from China, which was overpriced and of poor quality. This, by the way, was the case with equipment shipped to Hungary as well. But “the people of Hungary understand clearly that companies based in communist dictatorships—such as Huawei or ZTE—are obligated to obey their government’s orders to cooperate with their intelligence services.” Cornstein said that he would let “the Hungarian public decide which friends are better for them and their country’s future. That choice is clearer by the day, between freedom and democracy on one side and tyranny and authoritarianism on the other.” He is confident “which side Hungary and the wonderful, freedom-loving Hungarian people will choose.”

So, as is obvious, this exchange was not really about the Chinese and American handling of the pandemic. What is at stake is Huawei’s building out of Hungary’s 5G network, which apparently the not so freedom-loving Orbán government still supports.

July 31, 2020
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Misi bacsi
Misi bacsi
July 31, 2020 8:21 pm

David Cornstein is an embarrassment to any intelligent and informed person. We might have to replace the “Peter Principle” with the “Cornstein Principle” i.e. he has been promoted to his maximum incompetent
status, ambassador to Hungary.

Thanks for reminding me of Charles Gati’s prior funny comment about Cornstein i.e. he would indeed make a great communications director for Orban. Cornstein has 3 qualifications, he can not speak Hungarian, he does not read any serious books and he loves Orban.

Ovidiu
Ovidiu
August 1, 2020 2:05 am
Reply to  Misi bacsi

“David Cornstein is an embarrassment to any intelligent and informed person.”

He is 81, at such age what more can you expect from him ?
With aging, cognitive decline is unavoidable and with so many geriatrics (+70) at the top of the US-politics the issue is becoming a problem in itself. US (its political class) begins to look as USSR in its twilight-years.

“Senility is becoming an overt line of attack for the first time in a modern U.S. presidential campaign.
Why it matters: As Americans live longer and work later into life and there’s more awareness about the science of aging, we’re also seeing politicians test the boundaries of electability. Biden is 77; Trump, now 74, already is the oldest person to assume the U.S. presidency.”

https://www.axios.com/trump-biden-cognitive-decline-senility-2f034be5-53d7-4b93-b4be-c833ac40a8d7.html

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shoopy
shoopy
August 1, 2020 4:34 am
Reply to  Ovidiu

“He is 81, at such age what more can you expect from him ? With aging, cognitive decline is unavoidable”

You clearly have not spent any time near Cornstein and are making an unfounded assumption based solely on his age, which is quite shameful.

Along with many other readers of this site, I spent 2 hours or so with Cornstein at the town hall in the embassy last year and I can assure you that he is still quite sharp and on the ball for his age, and even has the capacity to be thoughtful and charming.

Of course, Cornstein is awful though because of his unwavering support of Orbán and Trump and dishonest potrayal of their policies, so I am not defending him by any means. But to blame his many faults on cognitive decline is simply ageism unless you have some specific evidence for this.

Bimbi
Bimbi
August 1, 2020 5:00 am
Reply to  shoopy

, 4:34 am
Alas, three words give the game away: “…for his age…”.
Yeah, right.

Bimbi
Bimbi
August 1, 2020 4:58 am
Reply to  Ovidiu

@Ovidiu, 2:05 am

Egad, Sir, you are right again. We should not have to wait for the 80s for “cognitive decline” to set in.

Here in Hungary our Distended Dictator is halfway out of his gourd most of the time and with true Magyar Pride, he doesn’t mind showing it.

Hajra Magyarok.

Observer
Observer
August 1, 2020 11:20 am
Reply to  Ovidiu

Reminds me of many “young fools” who just grew old.

Ovidiu
Ovidiu
August 1, 2020 1:39 am

“Cornstein, a friend and supporter of Donald Trump, went on to repeat Trump’s anti-Chinese mantra, which upset Chinese ambassador to Hungary Duan Juelong mightily.”

With Trump we finally see an American president doing something to check China’s expansion.
What then is the problem (“mantra”) with that ? or the snarky comment is merely a knee-jerk reaction simply because it is Trump who has started this fight ?

“What is at stake is Huawei’s building out of Hungary’s 5G network”

Hungary has no reason yet to take an anti-Chinese stance. No need to get in front (and hurt yourself economically) of the anti-Chinese drive while the much bigger western players continue to do profitable business with the Chinese.
Indeed UK has just folded under Trump’s pressure but there is still Germany (i.e. “EU”) which hasn’t decided yet. If Germany follows too then Orban will have to change as well.

27 July 2020 “Observers say a German decision to ban Huawei would be a diplomatic win for the U.S. government. The Trump administration is seeking to persuade more countries to take Britain’s lead.”

https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/after-britain-could-germany-be-next-to-ban-huawei-5g-technology-/5518762.html

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Observer
Observer
August 1, 2020 9:32 am
Reply to  Ovidiu

Ovi
You’re saying that
Trump is good for checking China’s expansion and
Orbàn is good for buying Chinese ?
Two opposites and both good in your book, isn’t it a bit confusing?
No, not from our hardened crook and liar… you say?

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Ferenc
August 1, 2020 3:55 am

“[US ambassador] rattling off some wrong numbers”
To make clear the “knowledge” of the current US Ambassador, this is what he literally stated:
“OV got 2/3 of the votes [in 2018]”
Well this mistake is made by many, thinking the election system is giving fair representation. Unfortunately this is NOT the case, and on top it’s made more unfair under OV’s regime!

So with herewith the real data of the 2018 elections for OV&Co:
47.36 % of votes inside Hungary
–96.24 % [!] of votes outside Hungary
49.27 % of all votes
66.83% of seats
 
One can define the [un]fairness of an election system by dividing % of seats with % of votes [the higher above 100%, the less proportional and more unfair], in this case:
66.83 / 49.27 = 136% unproportional representation*
if we consider only the votes inside Hungary this would even result into:
66.83 / 47.36 = 141% unproportional representation*

PS: afaik this unproportionality [or unfairness] is the current EU record…

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Ferenc
August 1, 2020 4:06 am
Reply to  Ferenc

Another thing the US Ambassador considered important to mention: 
“cost of living in Budapest is roughly a third [1/3] of other major European cities”
He must have experienced this himself [together with his wife], so that can be believed. 
He “forgets” the main consequence and conclusion, which is that [Hungarian] people in Budapest must be roughly 1/3 less rich, i.e.poorer, than people in other major European cities.
But why should a former US businessman care for that… 

wolfi7777
August 1, 2020 4:13 am
Reply to  Ferenc

It is no coincidence that the countries/states with the most unfair election systems are ruled by right wing loonies:
As well as in Hungary Trump and BoJo in the UK got less than 50% of the votes but still rule as if they had the support of the whole country …
Anybody who doesn’t agree with them is no real member of the “Nation”.
The idea of a compromise as in real democracies is totally unacceptable to all of them …

TrianonTrianon
TrianonTrianon
August 1, 2020 4:38 am
Reply to  Ferenc

“Well this mistake is made by many, thinking the election system is giving fair representation. Unfortunately this is NOT the case, and on top it’s made more unfair under OV’s regime!” It is indeed made by many – ordinary folks who lead lives well away from the rough and tumble of politics trying to make a living and enjoy a bit of life. And in many cases victims of the ruthless, continuous lies and mistruths pumped out by state-controlled ‘news’ channels. But the US ambassador to Hungary is paid – or is at least behoven if he is not paid – to know these sort of things and understand them. Furthermore, he has 100+ staff at the embassy to do his every bidding and find these things in an instant. The fact that he didn’t learn of this bias from BEFORE even coming to Budapest is horribly telling. It is shameful. And if he’s 81 and his brain is giving up, then why the bloody hell was he sent here in the first place? It is another case of a leader putting his friendship first over his duty to ensure that the USA is properly informed and can make considered,… Read more »

Bimbi
Bimbi
August 1, 2020 5:03 am
Reply to  TrianonTrianon

@TrianonTrianon, 4:38 am

Welcome, Welcome, another brother Trian-onanist.

Hey, that ain’t bad. A hunert years and still swingin’…

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Ovidiu
Ovidiu
August 1, 2020 5:07 am
Reply to  TrianonTrianon

” It must be heart breaking, and very damaging to the future of State ”

With money you buy the politicians (election costs, media, etc.) and then you use the politics/politicians/ to steer things (laws, political decisions) so as to make more money. That’s the fabled American “democracy”.
It has become corrupt to the bones, really it is an oligarchy :

Princeton Study: U.S. No Longer An Actual Democracy.
A new study from Princeton spells bad news for American democracy—namely, that it no longer exists.
Asking “[w]ho really rules?” researchers argue that over the past few decades America’s political system has slowly transformed from a democracy into an oligarchy, where wealthy elites wield most power.
Using data drawn from over 1,800 different policy initiatives from 1981 to 2002, the two conclude that rich, well-connected individuals on the political scene now steer the direction of the country, regardless of or even against the will of the majority of voters.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/princeton-experts-say-us-no-longer-democracy

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Don Kichote
August 1, 2020 11:03 am
Reply to  Ovidiu

Ovidiu you sound like a hysterical leftist.

In the 2019 Democracy Index, the United States ranks 25th out of 167 countries, making it an “incomplete democracy”.

But why are you complaining when in Hungary the dictatorship is already dictating. Asking “[w]ho really rules?” The citizens should govern, right? Or should Orban also govern the USA … because he is so social?

Ovidiu
Ovidiu
August 1, 2020 4:59 pm
Reply to  Don Kichote

reposted it after my reply to Aida

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Observer
Observer
August 1, 2020 11:11 am
Reply to  Ovidiu

Ovi
Now seriously:
– Do you believe all these Princeton liberals ? They also say that Hu is an authoritarian (fascist) state, not a rule of law place.
– Then if the US is no democracy with so many congressmen and senators losing their seats on various issues, with Congress passing laws the President has to obey, with independent judiciary and media, etc
What is Hu now without any of the above?
A fascist regime by all accounts, no?

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Observer
Observer
August 1, 2020 10:45 am
Reply to  TrianonTrianon

Ovi
But what about Botswana? Who would have thought Botswana?

Aida
Aida
August 1, 2020 6:09 am

The US is in serious trouble and has been for decades. The Trump presidency exacerbated and highlighted it, but it is not the cause. The system operated there is made for a different world long since dead. When I had contact with both British and American diplomats in Hungary it soon became obvious that the Americans don’t really have a diplomatic service in Budapest. It is a crypto colonial set up run by amateurs and malevolent nonentities. The British always ran a tight ship with each ambassador a fluent Hungarian speaker. Peter Unwin, the late Sir John Birch and Christopher Long all first class, until the appointment of a hapless and rather prickly more appointee. i am therefore not at all surprised that Trump’s man in Budapest is in the same mould, if somewhat older, as his predecessor. They are potentially colonial administrators not diplomats. Just look at the language Cornstein uses. As for China, it is very naive, to put it as charitably as I can, to think that Huawei can be trusted with involvement in any area without compromising national security. The same applies to virtually all Chinese “commercial” undertakings. Monolithic tyrannies don’t promote any culture or system… Read more »

Ferenc
August 1, 2020 6:41 am
Reply to  Aida

“The British always ran a tight ship etc.”
Can you enlight us what the British Ambassador[s] and Embassy staff have done so far in the case of OV’s regime since 2010?

Aida
Aida
August 1, 2020 6:47 am
Reply to  Ferenc

My involvement ended before 2010.

Ferenc
August 1, 2020 7:34 am
Reply to  Aida

I didn’t mean your personal involvement.
Just if you know about anything done by British Ambassador[s] and Embassy staff.
I’m not aware about such… you, with better connections, neither?

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wrfree
wrfree
August 1, 2020 9:21 am
Reply to  Ferenc

Re: American diplomacy in Magyarorszag Crypto colonial setup? That suggests having an influence which in most cases is nil with the Magyars. Cornstein as ambassador would seem to have about the same influence there as a fellow who if he was a waterfall in the desert a near dead and dehydrated man would head for the next oasis. The ambassador is there simply to represent the will and the personage of his President. And with a President who more and more appears ambivalent to American democracy as his vile rhetoric instigates by undermining its practice. Cornstein now is doing yeoman work to ‘represent’ that aberration of the great American ‘experiment’. Such American irony in this age of the 21st exacerbated by Trump and ‘his’ Republicans. In the Magyar diplomatic precincts Orbán looks to be Trump’s diplomatic wingman’ in Budapest: ‘toxic US Republicanism flying over the Donau’. Cornstein , if speaking on ‘agitators and anarchists‘ , no doubt would be talking music to Fidesz ears. Where else would they get to understand how America prefers to deal with ‘agitators and anarchists ‘ and possibly disregarding the second amendment to the Constitution which promulgates a ‘well-regulated militia’? On that the ambassador would… Read more »

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Aida
Aida
August 1, 2020 9:38 am
Reply to  Aida

Ferenc, I expect the U.K. has done nothing diplomatically or any other way. When I was involved we tried to achieve two things, The first was to give knowledge how the U.K. system of democratic accountability and fairness worked. The second was to increase the British influence by making friends and helping people to help themselves. We were quite successful and we had a good time doing it. The ambassador and his staff were there to help our efforts and we had good relations with them. Our time was before both countries lost the plot. In present circumstances I would not want to be involved. I would not want to represent anything the Johnson regime stands for. Quite to the contrary. As for Hungary, for the time being it is a basket case.

Bimbi
Bimbi
August 1, 2020 11:55 am
Reply to  Aida

@Aida, 6:09 am
Unless I am mistaken it [a new Democratic administration] will produce more nonsense but next time from another bunch of incompetents.”

I for one hope and expect that you are mistaken. Yet, with the current lobbying system in power in the US Congers, one may rightly be skeptical as to just how deep and comprehensive reforms will be allowed to be. Trouble with Big Money is that it likes to hold on to what it has got…

petofi
petofi
August 2, 2020 7:14 am
Reply to  Bimbi

Correct.
And, in the background, the Military-Industrial Complex. Money rules.
When the US abolishes lobbies and puts a term limit on congressional seats, then you’ll have reform. Don’t hold your breath.

The ‘system’ feared Sanders. So they went all out to make a ‘miraculous’ Biden recovery. If Sanders had won and beaten Trump, he would’ve had a sudden heart attack…After the Kennedys, the ruling class takes no chances.

Ovidiu
Ovidiu
August 1, 2020 3:26 pm
Reply to  Aida

“The US is in serious trouble and has been for decades. The Trump presidency exacerbated and highlighted it, but it is not the cause. The system operated there is made for a different world long since dead.”

Yes. ..Looking the events unfolding these days in US is watching again the fall of USSR. It is watching a slow moving catastrophe as it builds momentum. Catastrophe is never averted and each time it happens it grows out of a decadent elite consensus. The post-World War II era (the postwar consensus : liberalism, antiracism, cosmopolitanism and modernism) will combust and end in a similar civilization wide catastrophe, sometime in the next 10 years. The outcome will reset the West for the rest of the 21st century.
The Chinese are worried about Trump starting a war with China to distract attention from America’s rapid political, economic and cultural decline. For good reason, the whole world could see how this country has gone insane over the past two months as basic governance has collapsed

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Ovidiu
Ovidiu
August 1, 2020 5:11 pm
Reply to  Ovidiu

wolfi7777
August 2, 2020 1:38 am
Reply to  Ovidiu

To anyone who’s interested in this pseudo-science “generation theory”:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss%E2%80%93Howe_generational_theory
Almost funny – they can explain everything! 🙂 🙂

wolfi7777
August 2, 2020 1:41 am
Reply to  Ovidiu

So are you happy with that “development”, ovidiot?
Like with the populist loonies waiting/hoping for the self destruction of the EU so they can return to the good old times of Horthy’s class society where “people knew their places”.
Would you be a member of the aristocracy? 🙂 🙂

wrfree
wrfree
August 1, 2020 10:05 am

Re: China, Magyarorszag and cybersecurity The fact of Huawei to be operating in Magyarorszag brings up many questions relating to implications for communications, cybersecurity, media operations and civil liberties. Will this mean the government will be more repressive or more open in communications? And will they learn through technology how to interfere with dissent or block certain information from appearing in the light of day? What really is the future of digital tech in the country considering the country is in the anti-democratic throes of illiberalism? China is very versed in all as they gather millions of gigabytes of information on its population through digital technologies. In that way they better control the behaviors of that population. Point to ponder as the world constantly and inevitably moves to a cybersphere where democracy will have great challenges to meet. And it will be a challenge in Magyarorszag. Would it be very possible to have the population asked by Fidesz in the cybersphere , ‘So what do you think of us?‘ Will throw that out to others to ponder the realties and implications of all that. The more tech savvy perhaps the better the analysis. Tech to some is just unfathomable because… Read more »

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wolfi7777
August 1, 2020 3:19 pm

Not too much OT:
A very interesting article on what measures should and could the EU propose against the undemocratic governments, especially of Hungary and Poland:
https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/did-european-leaders-cave-to-hungary-and-poland-to-reach-a-deal-a-55f60cd9-08e1-430b-8474-1fa0115e1785?sara_ecid=nl_upd_1jtzCCtmxpVo9GAZr2b4X8GquyeAc9&nlid=bfjpqhxz
It clearly describes how the PISsers eg abuse the independence of the judiciary and how the different EU institutions should react to this.