Over the last four years we have seen occasional references to the Hungarian government’s interest in the Slovenian Port of Koper. In January 2016, at a Slovenian-Hungarian summit, Viktor Orbán indicated that Hungary would be a ready partner in the modernization of the port and the railroad leading to it. If Slovenia decides to embark on the project, said Viktor Orbán, Hungary would be happy to join in the effort.
More than a year later, in April 2017, Foreign Minister Péter Szijjártó held negotiations with the Slovenian top brass and announced that “Hungary is ready to take part in the project in exchange for a long-term lease on the Port of Koper.” One of the Hungarian requirements was that Hungarian companies would be able to participate in the development of the rail connection.
At the beginning of 2018, Magyar Nemzet triumphantly announced that the “end of the negotiations over Hungarian investment in Koper is imminent” since the Slovenian parliamentary committee on foreign affairs approved talks about the details, which included a €200 million Hungarian investment in the refurbishment of the port and the railroad line. In return, Hungary would get a five-hectare parcel in the industrial park. The European Union promised €109 million in assistance. Hungary’s €200 million would give the country a 49% stake in the Divača-Koper railroad.
After new national elections were held in Slovenia and Viktor Orbán’s friend Janez Janša was unable to form a government, the project was in jeopardy. The new government wanted nothing to do with the Hungarians. Alenka Bratušek, deputy prime minister, asserted that “not one centimeter of the Port of Koper can end up in foreign hands.” It was at that point that the Orbán government’s interest shifted to Trieste, a port in Italy, where at the time Matteo Salvini, Orbán’s hero, was the minister of interior.
At the beginning of 2019 Péter Szijjártó visited Italy. After a meeting with Salvini, he announced that the Hungarian government had purchased a 35-hectare parcel of land with a 300-meter waterfront for €31 million under a 60-year concession contract. The deal was praised by the government media, but experts were less sanguine about the acquisition. The area earlier had been used as an oil refinery, and the waterfront was too shallow. But that didn’t shake the government media’s joyous reception of the news. As Pesti Srácok put it, “Since Trianon it is the first time that we got to the Adriatic—Italians helped—instead of Fiume [Rijeka] and Koper it is Trieste!”
As usual, the Hungarian public heard nothing about the progress the Hungarian government was making with the companies that owned the parcel of land to seal the Trieste deal. It was only in a June 2019 interview on the Slovenian public television that Szijjártó claimed that they are very close to an agreement. Later, in an interview with Origo, the foreign minister said that, actually, “the contract of the sale is signed and will come into force in the fall,” at which time another contract will have to be signed, detailing the developments and their link to the Hungarian area. Yet, by January 2020, it was obvious that negotiations had stalled. In July 2020, Magyar Hang published an article titled “There is still no port in Trieste, but it has already cost many billions.” The paper calculated that, so far, the Hungarian government has spent at least €88 million (31 billion forints) on the venture. Moreover, this waterfront property, which will most likely end up being far too expensive in the long run, may not actually serve the needs of the country.
And so, Hungary tried to resurrect the Koper project. As Hungarian Spectrum reported on September 1, the Hungarian prime minister attended the 13th Bled Strategic Forum, which allowed the two friends, Viktor Orbán and Janez Janša, who became prime minister again in March 2020, to discuss some matters involving the two countries. After the bilateral talks, Orbán, in an interview with the Slovenian public television, listed all the common projects that could serve the interests of both countries, of which the most sensitive was the Port of Koper and the railroad leading to it. “Hungary would gladly participate in this project because, although it already purchased part of the port in Trieste, it is also interested in Koper, if that suits Slovenia,” he said.
A recent article by R. Gábor Szűcs, associate professor at Budapest Gazdasági Egyetem, which appeared in Élet és Irodalom, is the best piece I have read on the subject. He points out that there is no question that waterborne transport is the most economical way of moving cargo and that finding a port close by is thus in the economic interest of the Hungarian consumer. Hungary receives most of its imports via two ports, Hamburg and Koper. Hamburg is more than 1,200 km away, while the Slovenian port is only about 500 km from Budapest. It is in Koper that fresh fruit arrives from Israel and Egypt twice a week. Once the fruit is picked, it can be in Budapest in two days.
So, it would obviously be advantageous for Hungary to have a presence in the port of Koper. But, so far, negotiations between the two countries have led nowhere. Earlier negotiations between the Orbán government and the left-of-center Cerar government in Slovenia failed, ostensibly because the Hungarians, in exchange for the €200 million 30-year loan, demanded 50,000 square meters of space for the storage of Hungarian goods. Now Hungary is pinning its hopes on reaching an agreement with Janša.
But given the history of fraught negotiations over the Koper deal, I’m not 100% confident that Orbán’s scheme will succeed. Janša’s government is a fragile coalition, and Koper, Slovenia’s only port on the Adriatic, is a sensitive issue. Just as a reminder, the Janša III government is the 14th in Slovenia since 1990.

Very, very large sums had been paid and for what and to whom and why? What did the so called Government of Hungary received in return for all that money? It appears to be mostly corruption money.
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My understanding, that the land where the refinery was demolished is highly polluted and it would take a very large sum of money and a long time to make it legally usable. Even then, the length of the dock along the water is too short for regular size of cargo vessels.
Oligark laundering & whitewash = Post Soviet government prospecting & hogwash.
I think if Hungary can secure any of these ports it should ask NATO for authorization to create a Blue water navy. Possibly build several guided missile cruisers and seek the glory of the past. Clearly if Hungary is going to make such an investment in a port, then it must be defended! The first cruiser should of-course be named the Horthy.
Vast expenditures could be made by the Hungarian government with EU subsides, it all sounds delightful to numerous oligarchs.
Great humor Istvan.
Why not call it St István? I’m sure you would be proud … 🙂 🙂
Though Horthy’s battleship of the same name had a rather ignominous end – almost funny to be sunk on its first venture into the Mediterranean by a small Italian torpedo boat …
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_Szent_Istv%C3%A1n
This is a very good example for the Hun right wing’s tendency to be proud to spend a lot of money n nonsensical projects …
A retired Russian “pressure cooker”, parked on the sea-floor near the ports should do.
Far from me to delve into the nautical ideas of some who might wish to be pirates on the Adriatic Main. But like Split was to someone before that gives an idea to another modern emperor who could be eyeing other places for a retirement villa somewhere else overlooking a sea. 😎
We all seem to suffer from the Hungarian illness of
akasztófahumor (gallows humor or black humor).
Akasztofahumor … 👍 👍 👍 👍 ..learning a little something every day here…kosz szepen.
And just saying HS is a day in ‘language class’. I count myself lucky being able to pick up a little each day. You know not many people speak it outside of the country. Here? Fugghedaboudit! You know I’ll try to keep it out there to the best of my ability even if I have to talk in ‘Magyar mumbles‘ to myself. 😎 ☝️
This is what the English above was translated into in ‘Google Magyar’. Just had to see and hear the language. Always wondering in translation about the little ‘nuances’ when words flow. In any case for someone who really loves the language writing and seeing the words shows how magyar is such a beautiful language in the hands of a master and an idea.
”Tetszett neki stilus, az a fanyar akasztofohumor a mindentudas latszataval felfegyverkezve; a legininkabb hasznalhato stilus volt, a beavatott nyelvjarasa, megmedve oket csalodasaiktol, felelmeiktol, jol elrejtett gyermeki remenyeiktol”.
Italy? Slovenia? Someone should give them a map of the Adria. Our elite is used to sail further to the South in Croatian waters!
“not one centimeter of the Port of Koper can end up in foreign hands.”
Very nationalistic. Et tu Slovenia ?…..Why does it matter ? I thought we were one happy European family (Afghans, Arabs and Africans included).
“Since Trianon it is the first time that we got to the Adriatic…”
Yeah, a 300 meters waterfront for 31 million euro. The reconquest, in this style, of the whole ‘Karpat-medence’ would require the help of China. But maybe the Chinese are interested in using Hungary as a front.
Ovidiot, only a C- because you mentioned refugees but forgot gays and Greta T.
Does this mean any financial consequences for you?
If Crazy money cant do it, Orbàn may conquer the Slovenian seaside, with the new Leopards and Lynxes the Huns stand a chance …remember the posters with the bayonets …we’ll show them ..
It’s never too late for starting to learn a maritime culture.
51% of Luka Koper D.D. is possessed by the state, 3.14% by the city of Koper. No company has a stake of more than 5%. Largest foreign investment is 2.83% by (foreign!) Norges Bank Investment Management https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/LUKA-KOPER-D-D-6494725/company/
Extraterritoriality is what Slovenia doesn’t want. Why should they? For trade it is just useless. For state crime it is a great solution, but no country is waiting for that. Orbán abuses the question for nationalistic propaganda, which is by definition turning against other countries. Why should Slovenia allow Orbán propaganda at Slovenian expense?
The state of Hungary owning [in the future] a parcel of land being part of a port [with imports from outside the EU].
Please can somebody with economic and trade background explain what this could mean for:
–import taxes, could these be collected by the Hungarian Government [OV’s] or are these always going to the country in which the port is located?
–VAT, what “possibilities” could this give to the Hungarian Government [OV’s] for manipulations with VAT?
The taxes and duties are paid by the owners of the good to the state the latter are imported into, Hu in our case, regardless of the entry point.
The ports charge fees for services including cargo handling and storage, customs clearance, inspections/ controls, etc
This doesn’t seem like a channel to manipulate the VAT.
OT – political support in Hungary for Navalny
This morning independent MPs [Szél, Hadházy and Szabó] went to the Russian Embassy in Budapest to stand by the poisoned Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny.
Szél Bernadett: “We expect the Russian authorities to investigate the attack thoroughly, and the Hungarian government to disclose its position at the highest level instead of cowardly sneezing[!].
In Germany, the termination of Nord Stream 2 is on the agenda, we hope that our Western allies will be able to go down this road, and on the other hand we demand that the Hungarian government terminate the Paks2 contract.”
source: https://www.facebook.com/szelbernadett/posts/3195428523903401
Kudos to the independent MPs for their courage. Opposing Russia and exposing her crimes is dangerous at any level, as Navalny’s poisoning and countless innocents’ deaths have shown.
I am once again clueless about what a port abroad can do for the state? In my opinion, nothing but costs. If Fidesz or Orban has a hand in it, it can only be fraud. Something like the people pay the costs of the ports and Fides is cheating the EU with carousels. „Phantom exports and carousel business Around two hundred such tours are said to have brought in three million euros for the sugar manufacturer Beneo-Orafti, a subsidiary of the German Südzucker AG. The company does not comment on the investigations. Südzucker ranks with an annual turnover of nearly six billion euro among the largest sugar producers in Europe and among the largest subsidy receivers. In 2008, the group received more than 124 million euros from Brussels. A total of 34 similar suspected cases were reported to Brussels by the member states in 2008 alone, says OLAF spokesman Jörg Wojahn. Experts see this as only the tip of the iceberg. Fraudsters throughout Europe are said to have tapped export refunds for sugar. With this form of agricultural subsidy, the EU supported the export of sugar until October 2008. A total of 3.2 billion euros was paid out in the… Read more »
It’s not about the state – It’s about HU/Balkan oligarchs laundering money for sanctioned Russian oligarchs, through 3rd-party strohman-businesses and assigned banks.
Been going on for years. Probably the “easiest” money in and around Europe today. If some EU-money can be laundered on the side – What’s to lose?
If anyone with a career in intelligence are involved, in any executive or advisory capacity – you have gunsmoke.
Buying and selling tanks …
That could be an item. Or brokering cargo for the other kind of “tanks”, for the precious fuels that go into privatized and outsourced military operations.
The nice thing about tankers is that they can be registered by obscure companies, far far away from their real owners.
Don, I meant to say that present-day police intelligence people are the highest experts on organized economic crimes. Of course that includes knowledge about how not to get caught with the “smoking gun in hand.”
Hungary is #1 ! …in government-approved fraud
OLAF investigations closed with recommendations, 2015–2019:
Austria: 3
Slovenia: 1
Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Ireland, Luxembourg, Malta, Cyprus: 0
page 39, Table 6 in
2019 OLAF report
https://ec.europa.eu/anti-fraud/sites/antifraud/files/olaf_report_2019_en.pdf
Well done! Considering the competition – That’s no small feat, by any standard!!
Hajra Magyarok! Hajra the biggest fraud of all; Fat Vik!
OV Magyarországa Jobban Teljesít!
OV’s Hungary Performs Better!
… sort of…
Again, Hu is in the semi finals in the Worst in EU competition and here it scores another big point.
It would have made sense to close the border not on September 1, but on August 3. But Orban waited until himself, Szijjarto and the appointed oligarchs all finished their yacht cruises on the Adriatic.
blue: imported CoViD-19 cases
yellow: infected in Hungary
I’m sure that there is a huge underrepresentation of infected Hungarians in this chart. Many infected Hungarians will not take a test due to its high price (+- 30K). While most of the foreigners who enter the country most likely can afford the price or their employers pay it for them.
The vast majority of the newly infected are younger than 65:
As Usual, facts be damned is the mantra on this site. Eva herself cited last year, the depth of Trieste port is 13 meters in the section in question. I pointed out to her then that 13 meters is officially in deep-water port territory.
https://www.marineinsight.com/ports/what-are-deep-water-ports/
As cited here anything that is 30 feet or over is a deepwater port meant for heavy commercial transport. 30 feet is just over 9 meters. So the port will be adequate for Hungary’s needs. It will not accommodate every ship on this planet, but it is adequate.
So what of those repeated claims that it is too shallow? Too shallow for what? Yes it is not the deepest, but still!!!
OV Magyarországa Zátonyon Teljesít!
OV’s Hungary Performs Shallower!
… sort of…
Zolidiot, new container ships need up to16m (50 feet) and there aren’t too many “Tiefseehäfen” as they are called in German.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiefwasserhafen (sorry, only n German)
And wiki says:
“Damit werden Investitionen vor allem in Häfen mit Tiefgang von über 16 Meter getätigt. Das zeigt sich besonders bei den logistischen Entwicklungen und Investitionen in die Neue Seidenstraße und beim chinesischen One Belt, One Road-Projekt.”
So for the cooperation with the Chinese anything less is nonsense.
So what you are saying is that most US ports are obsolete?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_container_ports
Interesting!!!
Zolidiot, have you tried to read and understand that wiki?
It clearly shows that most of the larger ports have 50 feet i e 16 m …
30 feet or 40 feet (13 m) is not enough!
And it also says:
“Dredging of east coast ports are under way[2] because of the New Panama Canal expansion and the expectation of larger container ships.”
The ports with less than 50 feet are still fully functional. So why would trieste not be? And yes, the depth at Trieste can also be increased at some point. So what is the issue that is being raised? The absurdity!
Why not just build in Budapest if the regime is willing to dig at it
Wolfi, Orbán wants to repeat the past, so it is unimportant that in future ships will need deeper ports.
Wolf – Zoligor & friends have bought into the Fideszistic franchise with the Melanesian Cargo Cult (for which they might have a latent genetic disposition, through obscure mythical ancestry).
In this special maritime variety of Cargo worship investment cult, it’s believed that paticularly sexy and fertile looking seaports with tall and erect cranes, attract and lure pungent freighters into mooring, and once moored, the freighters will spawn their cargo of pregnant Chinese containers all over the seaport. The resulting orgy of material wealth, brought on by the all rare goods from China, will then make the investing followers very rich and powerful.
Michael, you really made me laugh this morning, not a simple feat in these times!
Thanks!
Of course making money by corruption in these projects is much easier than producing any stuff in Hungary.
Or does Fidesz expect that Hungarian wages will get lower than those in Vietnam or China so imports from there will be more expensive?
But wait, then the ports will stay empty …
Wolfi7777″So for the cooperation with the Chinese anything less is nonsense.” What do you mean.
Why is Hungary looking at Koper and Triest? They agreed to a $2.85 billion loan. And as per Eva’s article It will be built with the help of a 20-year Chinese loan at 2.5% interest, which will cover 85% of the cost.
https://hungarianspectrum.org/2017/11/29/is-china-buying-up-eastern-europe-on-the-cheap/
Is this still on. Or is something changed? what?
And of that loan probably 20% (or more?) will go straight into the pockets of the Fidesz billionaire money makers. I don’t have to name names …
No they agree to a railway line financed via loan from China from Greece to Budapest. See Eva;s article.
Oh please …
Ron, so Hungary needs two ports and a railway line for goods from China?
Have you ever heard names like Mészáros or Tiborcz?
The port affair has many sides and problems, draft and size are only two aspects.
https://nepszava.hu/1153017_habony-kinotte-a-magyar-tengert-exportaljuk-a-ner-t
if the Orbàn regime wants something one can safely bet its a corruption run, eg. he wanted to write the “tender” for the railway reconstruction, ie. wanted to give it to Mèszàros/himself.
Imo this is all about corruption and propaganda
, like everything else with Orbàn.
That’s one point for you!
There are few markets where the competicion is as fierce as the shipping-port market. Any profit depends solely on bulk tonnage per hour – in and out of port. This is a business where unloading and loading ships faster than other ports, are the only criteria for success.
2020.04.07: The government orders universities to confer university degrees to students without any certificate of foreign language knowledge.
Number of such “all-but-foreign language” students: 75,000
2020.09.10: 110,000 students have received their degrees this way since April.
https://www.alon.hu/orszagos-hirek/2020/04/nyelvvizsga-nelkul-is-jar-most-a-diploma
https://index.hu/belfold/2020/09/10/mar_110_ezer_diplomat_allitottak_ki_nyelvvizsamentesen/
The reason for this of course is very simple:
There’s not much of a danger that these Tiszta Magyar students who speak no other language will leave Hungary for greener pastures, better career prospects – and more money …
Really clever, those Fideszniks!
100k happy voters. It was probably the most cost-effective way to purchase voters ever.
OT, but media relevant.
https://balkaninsight.com/2020/09/03/facebook-shuts-russian-propaganda-network-based-in-romania/
The heavily photo-shopped picture of the prospective design of Hungary’s port in Trieste has been very significantly and imaginatively cleaned up. If you check out the satellite image with Google maps the abandoned industrial site south of Trieste lies close to the Slovenian border and will demand a huge investment in work and facilities to realize any completed “port”. Still, I suppose for our Stadium Builder becoming a Seaport Builder will not constitute a problem – he can work wonders with other people’s money and especially so if there is infrastructure to be supplied by STROHMANN Mészáros and his Kft.
Corruption city.
However, with Salvini’s standing in Italian politics about level with a toad’s belly, maybe the € 31 million is not too safe either. One is left with the impression that Hungary’s prospects for an “Opening on the Adriatic” still don’t look more rosy that the current dock for Lady MeRDe in Croatia.
The Italians also know what to do with money, no need to worry about that!
As an italian -hungarian family we would be pleased if the transport system between the two.countries could be better.
As for the ports of Trieste and Koper they are possibly going to be two diferent parts of the same portual area. Trieste hightly efficient Fincantieri made a big mistake in buying the french Chantiers de l’Atlantique instead of cooperating with slovenian and croatian authorities instead of building a new bigger shipyard with the othet adriatic neighbours.
And when Wizzair offered to buy Alitalia it was a big expensive mistake to refuse the offer .
Hey, amazing article
In Hungary, the type of government is a Unitary parliamentary constitutional republic. In Hungary, the legislative power is vested in a Országgyűlés. The head of the government is János Áder.
It’s true?
Thanks
I would say that behind the curtain of the State Theater is …
Hungary, the type of government is a Mafia State. In Hungary, the legislative power is vested in Orban as Führer. The head of the government is Viktor Orban. János Áder is the ink pad of Orban’s laws.
In front of the curtain of the State Theater is …
Hungary is called an illiberal democracy, that is an oxomoron because democracy cannot be illiberal. Orban and his fellow players pretend that the parliament decides and makes laws. János Áder pretend to be the President of Hungary by sending particularly bad laws back to parliament. Then there is some cosmetic and the law is passed as it was. Republic was deleted, as far as I know, a few years ago.