History that does not glorify the nation is “stomach-turning”

During the summer, Magyar Narancs had lots of fun with a book launch in Felcsút, the village where Viktor Orbán spent a few years as a boy and where he now can admire a football stadium for 3,500. The occasion for the gathering was the appearance of a book titled Labdarugás és tudomány (Football and Science). I also devoted a post to this event and recalled a Guardian article about “Viktor Orbán’s reckless football obsession.” His addiction to this sport is especially glaring today when the rate of COVID-19 fatalities is on the rise and yet Orbán’s brand new stadiums are full of football fans.

As far as Orbán is concerned, football is not just a sport, it is also an art and, as the book title indicated, a science. The prime minister’s critics are convinced that Orbán’s interest in science stops somewhere on the football field and that he is “distressingly uninterested in culture,” as András Márton, an actor and theater director, put it in an interview a few days ago. “I suspect,” he continued, that “there are serious blemishes in his education and maybe that’s why he doesn’t like artists and scientists.”

One thing is sure, he cares not a whit about the damage his politicians and hangers-on are doing to the academic discipline of history. In fact, he seems to be attracted to pseudoscience. His very first undersecretary for culture, Géza Szőcs, apparently a good poet, was a total quack when it came to the reinterpretation of the pre-history of the Hungarian tribes. Interestingly, Miklós Kásler, a medical doctor who became minister of human resources, is also fixated on the same question, naturally without knowing anything about it.

In the spring and summer of this year, an intense historical debate began after the appearance of two new history textbooks. The Society of History Teachers asked the medievalist Nóra Berend, professor of history at Cambridge University, to critique the medieval sections of these textbooks. Anyone who knows Hungarian can read her article, “Little Hungarian Mythology,” in Civilhetes. The textbooks are designed to immerse children in the glorious Hungarian past, the result of which will be immense pride in belonging to this exceptional nation. The publication of her commentary set off the pseudo-scientific spokesmen of the Hungarian far right, who congregated around Magyar Nemzet, Pesti Srácok, and its new internet television station, Pesti TV.

The attack began in October, simultaneously on two internet news sites, which indicates that the editors of these government publications work hand in hand when it comes to vilifying “enemies of the nation.” The author of the Magyar Nemzet article, titled “She hates the Hungarians that much,” is Tamás Pataki, a young journalist, who claims that Berend’s article is “full of erroneous claims and professional mistakes.” It is unlikely that Pataki has more knowledge of history than what he learned in high school or perhaps as a university student. Therefore, any criticism of Berend’s professionalism belongs to the realm of the absurd. Soon enough, we learn what Pataki’s real problem is. It is that “left-liberal historians find everything that is Hungarian wrong.” But the left-liberal charge is obviously not enough for Pataki, who at one point calls Berend “Erzsébet Andics’s best pupil” and someone “who took careful notes at the propaganda department of the Soviet Union.” For those unfamiliar with the name of Erzsébet Andics (1902-1986), she was a Muscovite politician and a perfect specimen of the primitive Marxist historians of the Rákosi regime.

There is no reason to summarize Pataki’s “professional objections,” but perhaps nobody should be surprised to learn that, according to “our expert” on medieval history, “the aforementioned historian is in the pay of a certain billionaire.” What is Pataki’s proof that Berend has been the financial beneficiary of George Soros? “The author published a lot in Népszabadság and Népszava, and in one of her articles she admits that she sympathizes with George Soros’s theories about an open society.” Moreover, she wrote an article in Népszava about Sweden, in which she spoke highly of the country that gave a home to refugees. “The official scientific social science departments are full of people with such left-liberal conceptions, giving the false appearance that they are there because of professional qualities, but they are biased and bigoted.”

Hungarian warrior on a western “expedition”

The Pesti Srácok article was also written by a young journalist, Gergő Szabó. His criticism of Nóra Berend again centers around “left-liberals” who have an aversion to “national pride” and who express disdain for the Hungarian nation.

What bothers both Pataki and Szabó is that Berend sets the record straight about the frequent attacks by Hungarian warriors on West European towns and monasteries in the tenth century. The textbooks she was critiquing try to portray these excursions as planned offensives in the interest of an already existing Hungarian central power. But, in fact, they took place at the behest of foreign kings and princes. The Hungarian warriors were, in effect, mercenaries. “The foreign rulers paid good money for their help.” The second objection was her reference to “the acquisition of prey and prisoners.” Szabó writes that, “according to Nóra Berend, it would be good if everyone understood that the Hungarians were a rude mob who robbed, stole, and supported those who paid more. The ‘specialist historian’ must have received the bad news by now that this barbarian herd somehow survived here in the Carpathian Basin and this disgusting horde established medieval Europe’s strongest state.” In summary, Szabó finds Berend’s thoughts “stomach-turning.” They don’t advance legitimate debates but “draw them back into the swamps of socialism.”

Some people might consider these journalistic attacks on bona fide historians of stature not something to fret about. Just let them talk, so what? The problem is that by now scores of new “research” institutes, with salaries underwritten by the Orbán government, are busily working on a history that is brimming with national pride while truth falls by the wayside.

November 2, 2020
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Istvan (Chicago)
Istvan (Chicago)
November 2, 2020 8:59 pm

I will say I started watching the Hungarian television coverage of the terrorist attacks in Vienna once I heard it mentioned on the news here in the USA. Overall the coverage was much better in Hungary to be honest. We are all obsessed with the election tomorrow as is the media over here.

The level of tension here is astounding, here in Chicago most of the major business district is fortified with boards covering all the stores in preparation for rioting. From whom we do not know, Trump supporters? African American Black Lives Matter supporters? No elected public official will say.

The Illinois National Guard has not been formally activated here but they have been seen staging at armories in and around Chicago with armored personnel carriers. All police are on duty on 12 hour shifts too. All unnerving really.

1956
1956
November 2, 2020 10:35 pm

My guess is that apart of the journalists, most American will stay calm as the vote counting will not be settled by Tuesday night.

TVs will operate in a vacuum. As in vacuum tubes before the transistors.

Istvan (Chicago)
Istvan (Chicago)
November 3, 2020 11:43 am
Reply to  1956

Illinois Governor Pritzker announced finally he has deployed Illinois National Guard troops to Chicago along with additional riot units of the Illinois State police to prepare for potential election-related civil unrest. He did not say how many troops or what equipment was dispatched to Chicago.

Police officers in Chicago based on a blog they have where they post anonymously indicated there were social media posts from Chicago street gangs about looting the city yet again, which would be the third time actually. There is no way to confirm or disprove those claims and Chicago Police officials are remaining silent.

Bimbi
Bimbi
November 3, 2020 4:33 am

@Istvan (Chicago), 8:59 pm
Funny how just about every discussion these days rotates about President Trump, Washington’s latest Swamp Monster. Face it, guys, he just ain’t revelant to the discussion of Hungary’s glorious history.

tappanch
tappanch
November 3, 2020 4:54 am

November 2 poll averages.

State [electoral weight]: Biden – Trump; Senate: Dem-Rep

Alabama [ 9]: -19.0%; Senate: -12.3% (flip to Rep);
[…]
South Carolina [ 9]: -7.0%; Senate: -3.7%
Montana [ 3]: -5.4%; Senate: -0.8%

Iowa [ 6]: -1.6%; Senate: -0.4%
Texas [38]: -1.3%; Senate: -5.2%
Ohio [18]: -0.9%

Georgia [16]: +0.2%; Senate: +1.2 (flip to Dem); Senate#2: run-off
North Carolina [15]: +0.3%; Senate: +2.8% (flip to Dem)
Maine #2 [ 1] : +1.2%l Senate: +3.8% (flip to Dem)

Arizona [11]: +2.2%; Senate: +5.0% (flip to Dem)
Nebraska #2 [ 1]: +3.0%; Senate: -30%
Florida [29]: +3.1%
Pennsylvania [20]: +3.7%
Nevada [ 6]: +5.0%
[…]
Michigan [16]: +5.4%; Senate: +7.6%
Wisconsin [10]: +9.2%;
Minnesota [10]: +9.8%; Senate: +9.6%
Colorado [ 9]: +11.4%; Senate: +9.2% (flip to Dem)

Sentrooppa-Santra
November 3, 2020 4:59 am

Greetings from Vienna! (Outside the Inner City, nothing is happening.)

I also now took a look at what hirado.hu was reporting. Of course, “migration” is to blame… Austrian mainstream media are very wary of publishing any speculations about the number or background of the attackers. It is still not certain whether there were other terrorists in addition to the one man who was shot by the police, and how many there were, the police is still searching the area (says the spokesman of the ministry with a nice Hungarian name, Harald Sörös). The Hungarian news have less scruples, they also showed private videos of the incident (which the Austrian authorities had explicitly asked people NOT to publish on social media). The first information about the dead terrorist has now been published: an ISIS sympathizer of Albanian/North Macedonian extraction, already previously arrested for attempting to join the ISIS fighters in Syria but then released also because of his young age.

tappanch
tappanch
November 3, 2020 7:05 am

I had a beautiful summer vacation in Macedonia, at lake Ohrid a few years ago. On the way from Skopje to Ohrid, it was impossible not to notice the incredible amount of new mosques & minarets.

Every 10-20 house had a brand new, shiny minaret thanks to Saudi & Turkish largesse.

I did not see the same phenomenon when I crossed to Southern Albania.

The Albanians of Macedonia have been “radicalized” from abroad.

tappanch
tappanch
November 3, 2020 7:19 am
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István
István
November 3, 2020 7:40 am

The terrorist who was shot was born and raised in Austria. The regime media of course if full of anti migration talks, but not that double citizen just arrived in Austria by birth, not by migration.

Istvan (Chicago)
Istvan (Chicago)
November 3, 2020 11:04 am
Reply to  Eva S. Balogh

We have early voting in Illinois along with very large sports stadiums with voting facilities operating today. So I voted this morning at 6:15 am, no waiting and I was in and out in 20 minutes.

tappanch
tappanch
November 3, 2020 1:51 pm
Reply to  Eva S. Balogh

“Sources in the Republican Party, at both state and national levels, say that the campaign is considering a plan to “bypass” the popular vote results and install its own electors in key battleground states where the legislatures are controlled by Republicans.[…]

Republicans control both legislative bodies in the six closest battleground states: Arizona, Florida, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Of those six, both Arizona and Florida have Republican governors.

After the national election, the plan goes, the Trump campaign would cry foul about rampant fraud and demand that state legislators ignore the ballot tabulations and choose their electors directly.”

https://www.salon.com/2020/10/06/trump-campaign-discussing-plans-to-appoint-its-own-state-electors-no-matter-the-results-report/

Misi bacsi
Misi bacsi
November 2, 2020 11:30 pm

Since the regime is so obsessed with George Soros, perhaps Orban will pay Mr. Soros back for the money he took to attend Oxford. Worst investment George Soros ever made i.e. Orban learned nothing except how to steal.

Orban et al does not appear to have even learned about the actual medieval Hungarian kings, let alone details about their subjects. The manufactured history of the “Hungarian nation” taught in Hungary today is a tragedy and not just because there was no Hungarian nation in the middle ages. The construct of “nation” is of relatively recent origin, especially for Hungary as compared to say Great Britain or France.

Of course, the utter lack of humility among the regime leaders, let alone their stooges commented on tonight is appalling. Professor Berend has forgotten more than those ignorant individuals ever knew and/or will know.

Regarding the terror attack in Vienna tonight, my heart goes out to all the victims and their families.

I am hoping that our national nightmare in USA will start to end on Tuesday evening with the defeat of Trump, a complete and utter disaster who lies about everything including “and + the”.

Last edited 10 months ago by Misi bacsi
CCsomething
CCsomething
November 3, 2020 1:44 am
Reply to  Misi bacsi

Great comment Misi bácsi..

Sentrooppa-Santra
November 3, 2020 5:01 am
Reply to  Misi bacsi

A Hungarian friend of mine just told me that she is praying for Biden’s victory – simply because she wants to see Orbán’s face when the results are announced.

Michael Detreköy
Michael Detreköy
November 3, 2020 5:57 am

It could look something like this. (The woman in the picture is the Danish Prime Minister, a razor-sharp politician who in a short sentence can pull his underpants off, before he even notices.)

Facing the music in Brussels..jpg
Istvan (Chicago)
Istvan (Chicago)
November 3, 2020 11:14 am
Reply to  Eva S. Balogh

Do not count the chickens before they are hatched Eva. I worked a Lincoln Project phone bank calling anti-Trump US Army veterans over the last two days in Wisconsin. Here in Illinois the vote for Biden will be overwhelming I suspect.

Some of the veterans I called up in Wisconsin were depressed because they still can’t understand how some of their old comrades and fellow veterans can be voting for the draft dodging Trump. I think I ended up being more a therapist than a get out the vote caller. Many of the older veterans are isolated in their homes (and voted by mail) due to increasing Covid rates of infection, one told me in his county the seven day positivity rate was now just over 27 percent. He rarely left his home over the last two weeks.

Michael Detreköy
Michael Detreköy
November 3, 2020 5:47 am
Reply to  Misi bacsi

For lack of an isolated island, on which they can breed and groom their own unique and characteristic national population, Hungarians created an imagined virtual isolated island, on which they can breed and groom their own unique national culture.

Last edited 10 months ago by Michael Detreköy
Obse
Obse
November 3, 2020 9:35 am

Michael 😀👍

wolfi7777
November 3, 2020 2:54 am

I’m neither a history expert nor a history buff, always wondered in school why we had to learn that crazy stuff which town belonged to which duke or king.
Especially in Germany there were no nations or tribes, who you were a subject of depended on who had married whom.
My favourite examples:
In the midst of protestant Württemberg there were a few catholic villages and small towns, why?
Because they had belonged to far away catholic Austria and people were of course forced to take their ruler’s religion.
And there was a small part of the Rhineland which somehow belonged to Bavaria, a few 100 km away.
Fun fact:
The Trump family lived there, so we could call Donald a proud Bavarian …
You may have read that Trump’s ancestor fled because he didn’t want to join the Bavarian army (developed into a tradition in the family …)

theestampe
November 3, 2020 3:21 am
Reply to  wolfi7777

It must be congenital, maybe he had bone spurs too…

Istvan (Chicago)
Istvan (Chicago)
November 3, 2020 11:29 am
Reply to  wolfi7777

Yes Trump seems quite fearful of death, he really would not have done well in the Army with drill sergeants screaming at young draftees and recruits in the 1960s and 1970s. I had a former DI under my command in Vietnam part of the advisor team I was on.

He told me once something like this: “You have to hate recruits to train them. They get three meals a day, sleep eight hours. The more you hate them, the better you train them.” I had a DI just like him during what we called summer camp for ROTC in college, he was a short Chicano from New Mexico built like a rock and he called me names by the dozen and punished me for things I still have yet to figured out. He told me I would piss my self when I got shot at in Vietnam the first time, unfortunately he was correct about that.

István
István
November 3, 2020 12:12 pm
Reply to  wolfi7777

Did you know that grandfather Trump as US citizen wanted to return to Bavaria after he sold dead horses their owners (the prospectors of the Klondike gold rush – after preparing them) and having exploited a whorehouse in Canada? It was the Bavarian regent who denied grandfather Trump getting back his passport and threw the illegal immigrant Trump out of his country.

wolfi7777
November 3, 2020 1:09 pm
Reply to  István

István, of course I knew and found it funny really – it runs in the family …
Btw Donald’s father was born soon after the old Trump and his wife returned to the USA with a steamboat …
Even the really conservative WELT had to laugh about the affair.
https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article159664889/Bayern-hat-Donald-Trumps-Grossvater-ausgewiesen.html
PS and rather OT – or not?
In the same edition of the WELT you find an article by breitfart’s editor and Trump’s assistant (at least at thet time …) Steve Bannon:
We’ll rule for fifty years!

D7 Democrat
D7 Democrat
November 3, 2020 3:34 am

“His addiction to this sport is especially glaring today when the rate of COVID-19 fatalities is on the rise and yet Orbán’s brand new stadiums are full of football fans.”

Other than the fact that Orban is a sadist and enjoys immensely the thought of people suffering, the stadia are being kept open for one reason and one reason only.

He knows he might need his neo-nazi hooligan armies if things get ugly over the winter and has been seen in Czech, Poland, Russia and elsewhere these scum have no compunction in attacking the enemies of the state be they women, children or OAPs.

Michael Detreköy
Michael Detreköy
November 3, 2020 7:20 pm
Reply to  D7 Democrat

It’s very sad to witness this attempt at political poisoning and misunderstanding of a great and culturally rich international sporting legacy.
My two favorite football clubs, BK Frem (Copenhagen) and FC Sankt Pauli (Hamburg) share a 100+-year-old unbroken history of sporting culture, exchange and cooperation/competition, in spite of all the political turmoil during all that time. A deep mutual friendship between cultures, stronger than anything political. But humble.

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roquen
roquen
November 3, 2020 3:34 am

Coming from Austria, I remember a tour through the Hungarian Parliament. At some point the well-educated liberal minded guides proudly pointed at a wall fresco and explained how Hungarians had descended from various tribes. This archaic way of connecting to history was very bewildering to me. How come this nationalistic streak is so strong, is it taught in school that way?

Sentrooppa-Santra
November 3, 2020 4:44 am
Reply to  roquen

“Descending from many tribes” is a crude way of referring to what is known about the nomadic prehistory of the Hungarians. Pre-Conquest Hungarians, due to their mobile way of life, could not be organized on a regional/territorial basis. The nomadic steppe peoples consisted of “tribes” or “clans” held together by symbolic and ritual “relatedness”. These “tribes” had their names and (symbolic or legendary) leaders and ancestors whose names have been preserved in Hungarian tradition and also, for instance, in place-names (which may show how the lands were divided between these original “tribes”).
Of course, this looks very nationalistic in modern Western eyes. Especially how this tradition is still being used in a very Romantic-Nationalist interpretation. Being linguistically so different from all their neighbours, Hungarians still want to explain their “otherness” in this traditional way, seeing themselves as a kind of a super-family. And yes, this is what most Hungarians have probably learnt at school as well.

Istvan (Chicago)
Istvan (Chicago)
November 3, 2020 3:12 pm

Many of the practices of the early Magyar tribes were similar to the Native American practices of Animism. Forms of shamanism existed in both early cultures. Needless to say the Catholic church attempted to eradicate these pagan practices in Hungary and similarly among Native people in French Canada, also throughout North America by evangelical movements.

My own wife’s grandfather was a Methodist missionary to the tribes which is how her grandmother married a Christian man.

Bimbi
Bimbi
November 3, 2020 3:55 am

As the richly-funded historical research institutes supported by today’s Hungarian tax payers have incontrovertibly established, the Hungarian race stems from the loins of Emese (9th c AD) who was the daughter of Prince Onedbelia of Dentumager and the mother of dreamy little Prince Almos. And who, one must ask, sewed the seed for little Almos? The old chronicles tell us that it was none other than the Mighty Turul Bird himself. So far, so good. If one enquires into the mating practices of birds [Google ‘mating of birds’] one finds, “During mating, a male bird presses his cloaca against his mate’s cloaca and passes sperm from his cloaca to her’s”. It appears therefore that the origin of the Hungarian race lies enshrouded in the mysteries of the “Big Bang” theory when a joyous and cataclysmic coupling of anal intercourse took pace some eleven centuries ago. It is not clear whether this event, which might in the Fidesz/KDNP era be classified as an “unnatural act” has been adequately analysed to be incorporated into the context of the present government’s revisionist historical Origins Theory. However, any race that can trace its primal event as a glorious occasion of anal intercourse can’t be… Read more »

Michael Detreköy
Michael Detreköy
November 3, 2020 7:37 am
Reply to  Bimbi

If you suggest that the government funds a quasi-pornographic approach of the study of History – it’s very much the essence of what goes on.
Whether it’s called incestuous, sodomistic, or simply (porno)graphic, all accurately describe the levels of professional academic skills, the government awards Hungarian History.

Bimbi
Bimbi
November 3, 2020 9:45 am

Well, no. I was just pointing out that the Orban “historians” have a little awkward conflict on their hands…

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Obse
Obse
November 3, 2020 9:38 am
Reply to  Bimbi

Guys,
You are in a humorous mood today 😀👍

Christopher Dias
November 3, 2020 4:28 am

I hate Orbán as much as any of you. However, “when the rate of COVID-19 fatalities is on the rise and yet Orbán’s brand new stadiums are full of football fans.” – is a lie. It’s politics as usual. Hungary (Fidesz) gets big money for perpetuating the lie. The Corona Virus Scam: http://www.mediaaccess.hu/userspace/pdf_files/The%20Corona%20Virus%20Scam.pdf

wolfi7777
November 3, 2020 5:41 am

If you have time and want some crazy fun then look at this collection of idiocies that Chris D has linked to. Nice examples:
A video by (in)famous David Icke – sorry, deleted
Picture of Dr Fauci, Barack Obama and Melinda Gates in Wuhan – now you know who’s responsible for Covid, at least in some loonies’ minds …
But you’ve been warned!

shoopy
shoopy
November 3, 2020 6:06 am

Speaking for myself, I don’t hate Viktor Orbán or any other person. In fact, the hatred of minorities, immigrants, i.e. “the other,” is exactly what has caused so many problems in Hungary, and hating others is what we need to avoid doing. Your assumption that we all “hate” Orbán – and your open admission of hating him – says a lot about you.

Also, this website is not the place for you to promote your own crappy site, especially with insane conspiracy theories that insult the host of this blog by calling her a liar. If no one visits your site, that’s your problem – don’t link to it here and don’t be insulting.

István
István
November 3, 2020 7:41 am
Reply to  shoopy

I neither hate Orbán, just want to see him and his royal court where they belong. As a positive person I just want a better future.

Misi bacsi
Misi bacsi
November 3, 2020 1:13 pm
Reply to  shoopy

Good comments Shoopy. I also don’t want to hate, but like you, I want an end to this regime.

Regarding Christopher Dias and his “Covid Scam”, people such as Mr. Dias spread not just lies, but vast conspiracy theories.

István
István
November 3, 2020 2:02 pm
Reply to  Misi bacsi

I think we can leave hate to those who “need” it in their extremist ideology.

Is Dias here on HS now promoting his sick corona stories, because other sites have banned spreading this kind of posts seen their deadly effects?

István
István
November 3, 2020 7:36 am

The regime can’t act differently. They need to show how the special they are and the reality is just too simple. The science to investigate the regime’s inferior complex is not history, but might be mentioned in history as soon as it is restored from degradation to a pure subject of propaganda.

Don Kichote
November 3, 2020 11:12 am
Reply to  István

That was also my first thought Fidesz and his inferiority complex Orbán. Orbán has put Hungary in last place in all areas of European comparison and a third of the Hungarians support Orbán the clown.

stemcellres
November 3, 2020 8:28 am

Isn’t it interesting how facts always have a “left-liberal” lean to them?

Don Kichote
November 3, 2020 8:31 am

OT – Orban wants to buy an airport …
„Hungary Blocked Budapest Airport From Emergency Covid-19 Funds“

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-03/hungary-blocked-budapest-airport-from-emergency-covid-19-funds

Don Kichote
November 3, 2020 8:53 am
Reply to  Don Kichote

84 dead in 1 day – a further 3989 persons were diagnosed with coronavirus infection. The positivity rate is more than 27.2 percent and the World Health Organization (WHO) would recommend a maximum of 5 percent.
https://hvg.hu/itthon/20201103_koronavirus_magyarorszag

Bimbi
Bimbi
November 3, 2020 9:54 am
Reply to  Don Kichote

Thanks for the post. The article mentions that the emergency funding blockage was imposed to drive down the value of the airport as an asset so that the governing criminals could purchase it at a knock-down price. They could be right…

Don Kichote
November 3, 2020 10:37 am
Reply to  Bimbi

… if you want to fly to soccer games you need an airfield … is skillful if one thereby still earns.

Observer
Observer
November 3, 2020 10:31 am

The ignorant scribblers/scribbling of Orbàn’s propaganda machine are of no interest, but as a gauge of the political heat Orbàn wants to raise.
The style and level are Felcsutia all over, where there are not only “serious blemishes in his education” , but also a total lack of culture as Orbàn’s himself admitted 30 y.a.
Notably all new (coming from a different place or lower social group) dictators dislike science, logic and facts which may prove them wrong, something a dictator can’t allow. This is a major cause for the degradation/decline observed in most dictatorships.

Observer
Observer
November 3, 2020 10:42 am

Aida,
We just sparred on this subject in the last pos. While I insist on presenting both or all sides of the story, the dictators think they “History that [doesn’t narrate their propaganda] is “stomach turning”.

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Marty
Marty
November 3, 2020 10:48 am

444.hu just published its print magazine (2nd issue) called Makro which contains only one article, a long report on the opposition’s efforts to win the 2018 election (of course the opposition lost it badly). The article was written my Peter Magyari.

Ferenc
November 3, 2020 11:56 am

OT – more stomach-turning!
OV’s minions boycotted the “Népjóléti” Committee [People’s Well-being Committee], responsible for a.o.health care. On the agenda was the situation and measures in the ongoing Corona pandemic. So even MPs, who are voted by and represent the people, are not informed about anything related to the pandemic.
This is so disgusting! Do the people in Hungary really gave to wait till “important” football games are over before OV’s pandemic team and government take the very obvious urgently necessary measures against the fiurther spreading of the Corona-Virus? 
So that’s what OV&Co consider “transparency” and “work” for the people’s well-being…

source: https://444.hu/2020/11/03/a-fidesz-kdnp-nem-ment-el-a-nepjoleti-bizottsag-ulesere-igy-nem-lehetett-kerdezni-a-jarvany-elleni-vedekezesrol

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Aida
Aida
November 3, 2020 3:25 pm

I have been a contributor for some years,
I will continue to follow you and to contribute. However I think that the whole blog is a well funded scam.
I have raised a number of issues and from the feedback it is pretty clear that much of what is going on is just not real.
Contributors pitted against each other by well placed scams. There is a message that is orchestrated to emerge. What that is hardly matters. But I doubt if there is a real person behind each moniker. Sorry. Not very encouraging

Bimbi
Bimbi
November 3, 2020 4:18 pm
Reply to  Aida

@Aida, 3:25 pm
To what do you refer in this comment? I cannot understand it at all. Please explain the point you wish to make here. I am interested.

Jan
Jan
November 3, 2020 6:38 pm
Reply to  Bimbi

I support Bimbi´s post

Pantanifan
Pantanifan
November 4, 2020 3:34 am
Reply to  Eva S. Balogh

Éva, with all due respect for yourself and your valuable blog, I would ask you not to be too severe with Aida. I don’t think this comment was a true reflection of her views, but rather the result of frustration and anger from “The Russians took notice” thread.

Apart from the heinous crimes committed by the Soviet Union (in particular under Stalin) and the effects of those crimes on the countries that came under its control (such as Hungary), Aida obviously has some personal/family experience of brutality committed by Red Army soldiers in Hungary, which she feels is not recogized by other commenters here…

Of course it’s your work and your blog, just thought I’d give my 2 cents for what it’s worth

Michael Detreköy
Michael Detreköy
November 3, 2020 6:55 pm
Reply to  Aida

You sound paranoid!
Who is who? I am one and in the Yellow Pages, out in plain sight – Where are you?

Oyster
Oyster
November 4, 2020 12:04 pm

This person may not be the real Aida – the avatar is differently coloured.
Aida always used to post with the same green avatar.

Last edited 10 months ago by Oyster
Michael Detreköy
Michael Detreköy
November 4, 2020 12:18 pm
Reply to  Oyster

The Avatars change once in a while, but the disruptive change in A’s postings doesn’t go unnoticed!

Last edited 10 months ago by Michael Detreköy
wolfi7777
November 4, 2020 1:50 am
Reply to  Aida

I’ll have breakfast after looking for the US results – but I think (no, I don’t believe …) that Aida has been crazy for a while, really strange comments …

Don Kichote
November 4, 2020 8:03 am
Reply to  Aida

I think Aida is emotional and disappointed in us. Pantanifan is probably right. On the page “The Russians took notice” Aida wanted to tell us something we didn’t understand. Aida you can accuse us of stupidity bashing or lack of intellect but scam? I think this is an unfair judgement.

tappanch
tappanch
November 3, 2020 3:38 pm

Hungary.

Super-spreader event in Budapest tomorrow:
20 thousand packed, shouting fans to Orban’s delight.

FTC-Juventus.

The fans infect each other tomorrow. In two days, they will spread the virus all over Budapest.

Isn’t Orban a mass murderer ?

Aida
Aida
November 3, 2020 3:54 pm
Reply to  tappanch

They might instead mourn the death of our dash freedom in 1956 when the glorious Red Army returned to murder and to install good comrade Kadar over us where they kept him until he became a walking imbecile.

Jan
Jan
November 3, 2020 6:38 pm
Reply to  Aida

You have funny comments today.
The victims of 1956 are history, the victims of the virus spreading event tomorrow are in the future and preventable.
I honestly do not see any connection between the two events.
And to prevent your comment that I might disrespect the victims and people of the 1956 revolution; I do not.

Pantanifan
Pantanifan
November 4, 2020 3:52 am
Reply to  tappanch

Latest news on coronavirus in Hungary: there were a record 90 deaths yesterday and over 4200 new infections. Also Foreign Minister Szijjártó has tested positive for teh virus in Bangkok https://telex.hu/koronavirus/2020/11/04/szijjarto-peter-koronavirus-teszt

New restrictions have also come into place at last

Last edited 10 months ago by Pantanifan
tappanch
tappanch
November 3, 2020 6:27 pm

“USPS disregards court order to conduct ballot sweeps after more than 300,000 ballots cannot be traced”
Looks like Hungary 2018.
All right, only about 6000 “transfer” ballots (if I recall correctly) were missing, enough to guarantee Orban’s 2/3 majority.

tappanch
tappanch
November 3, 2020 9:38 pm
Reply to  tappanch

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