Government officials are not immune to a friendly visit from Pegasus

It was just a question of time before curious individuals would wade through the 300-odd telephone numbers and discover names they would never have imagined finding on a list of potential victims of the Orbán government’s illegal wiretapping. I’m talking about government officials who, for one reason or another, were suspected of possible antigovernmental activities or were simply not loyal enough to the regime.

So far, the most intriguing case is that of Attila Aszódi, a university professor at the Budapesti Műszaki és Gazdaságtudományi Egyetem (Budapest University of Technology and Economics), who for many years was involved, in various capacities, with technical matters related to the Paks Nuclear Power Plant. He always struck me as somebody who fervently believed that the world’s energy needs could not be met using only renewable energy sources and that therefore every effort had to be made to build more nuclear power plants. Unlike many others, he even believed in the necessity of Paks II and was ready to join the Orbán administration to oversee the construction project, which would be carried out by Rosatom, a Russian state company.

Aszódi didn’t have strong political attachments, and therefore, in May 2003, he accepted the post of ministerial commissioner offered to him by István Csillag, SZDSZ minister of the economy and transport in the Medgyessy government, to oversee the Paks Nuclear Plant. He held that job for a little over a year. Beginning in 2014, he once again became a government commissioner, this time under János Lázár in the Orbán government, and became the chief negotiator with the leadership of Rosatom.

By 2018, the Hungarian media was full of stories about the difficulties with the construction of the Paks II Nuclear Power Plant. Vladimir Putin was increasingly annoyed about the delays. At that point, Orbán decided that what Paks II needed was a separate ministry under an old Paks hand, János Süli, who became minister without portfolio responsible for the planning, construction, and commissioning of the two new blocks at Paks in April 2017.

Aszódi and his new boss rarely saw eye-to-eye. At the time of Aszódi’s dismissal, I wrote a post titled “Paks II power plant, a millstone around Viktor Orbán’s neck,” in which I noted that the clash between the two was pretty much inevitable because “Aszódi is very much of the academic who was in his element debating the benefits of atomic power in public forums” while “Süli is the kind of man who feels at home in a pub chatting with his former employees about the good old days.”

Attila Aszódi and János Süli

Thus, Aszódi’s firing seemed on the surface to be the result of the personal incompatibility between the minister and his undersecretary. Süli became tired of Aszódi’s objections to some of the decisions he made. Today, however, after the revelation that Aszódi’s government telephone number was found on the list of possibly compromised numbers, I’m inclined to revise my initial judgment on the matter. Although all media outlets emphasize that, as things stand now, there is no proof that any of the numbers was actually spied on, Direkt36 rightly emphasizes that those few telephones that were actually checked all showed signs of earlier penetration. Moreover, that the government would gather telephone numbers for no good reason is simply not a reasonable assumption.

A secret service probe using Pegasus or any other intrusive method surely had to be approved at the very highest level. I suspect that the idea may have come from Süli, who was probably suspicious of Aszódi, whose interest in the project was strictly scientific. As Aszódi said in an interview right after his dismissal, projects like Paks II are of very long duration spanning different governments, and therefore one cannot think about them in political terms. This may have been a naïve assumption on Aszódi’s part. Moreover, his openness with journalists and the interested public, in addition to his earlier position in the “enemy” government, most likely aroused suspicion on the part of Süli, who after his appointment as minister became an enthusiastic Fidesz supporter and a member of parliament after 2018.

The idea of some kind of investigation of Aszódi may have been born in the head of Süli, but surely he couldn’t have known anything about Pegasus, which the Hungarian government had just purchased. And even if he did, I don’t think that, merely on the basis of his say-so, the secret service would have obliged and would have begun working on Aszódi’s case. I suspect that the final OK came from higher up, perhaps even from Viktor Orbán, who was told by Süli that Aszódi’s constant caviling was responsible for some of the delays in the project. They may also have found his involvement with Paks before 2010 suspicious. As we know, Orbán and his team don’t tolerate any openness with their political “enemies.” Whether they found anything deemed suspicious or incriminating on the telephone that Aszódi had to turn in at the time of his dismissal we don’t know. They may well have, since any conversation with an expert outside of the Fidesz fold could have been flagged as compromising. And any conversation with a “green” politician, activist, NGO, or ordinary concerned citizen would probably have been seen as proof of turncoat behavior.

July 23, 2021

Blog posts by Eva S. Balogh also appear in Hungarian at https://ujnepszabadsag.com/

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Misi bacsi
Misi bacsi
July 23, 2021 11:32 pm

Thanks for the ongoing saga of Pegasus. I agree that spying on ones own citizens -in this case Hungarian citizens- by the regime is the real issue. What other countries including, but not limited to US do is a diversionary tactic by some to skate away from the main issue i.e. the Hungarian regime is spying on its own citizens. The AVO would have loved such a tool.

István
István
July 24, 2021 12:50 am
Reply to  Misi bacsi

Rákosi to Orbán: “Exactly this way I imagined the development of socialism”

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Misi bacsi
Misi bacsi
July 24, 2021 5:05 am
Reply to  István

Loved the cartoon Istvan.

István
István
July 24, 2021 12:48 am

This is the way Orbánistan is constructed: A single man in full control. All means are accepted for archiving this aim. Orbán only believes in Orbán. All others are his enemies, even when they are willing to serve as his useful idiots. Hungary belongs to Orbán and he only pays servants, but he doesn’t trust them. I wasn’t surprised at all that the regime spies not only on journalists but also within their own ranks.

Roderick Beck
Roderick Beck
July 24, 2021 1:28 am

Eva, for the record, pure renewable enegy means constant blackouts and brownouts. Renewable energy is random energy. Germany has spent hundreds of billions of Euros on green energy subsidies and they still get 85% of their energy from fossil fuels.

wolfi7777
July 24, 2021 2:42 am
Reply to  Roderick Beck

Roderick, that’s nonsense – or should I say a stupid lie?
Of course it depemds on which energy use you include – heating, cars eg, but:
https://www.bmwi.de/Redaktion/DE/Dossier/erneuerbare-energien.html
Der Anteil der erneuerbaren Energien am Stromverbrauch wächst beständig: von rund sechs Prozent im Jahr 2000 auf rund 46 Prozent im Jahr 2020.

Winston
July 24, 2021 7:04 am
Reply to  wolfi7777

I do absolutely not agree with Beck but anyway.
He speaks about energy and you about electricity.

Don Kichote
July 24, 2021 9:39 am
Reply to  Winston

Yes Beck writes nonsense as usual. Obviously he is talking about electricity “constant blackouts” is also a lie by the way in Germany I have not seen a blackout in the last 30 years in Hungary there is a blackout at least every two months. “Renewable energy is random energy.” This is also a lie or pure stupidity wood biogas ethanol bio diesel also belong to renewable energy just like run-of-river hydroelectric plants.

wolfi7777
July 24, 2021 1:59 pm
Reply to  Don Kichote

This reminds me of an example. Near Tübingen ist the little castle Einsiedel and nearby is a small lake. I was really astonished when I heard that this lake was artificial and used to deliver electricity to the nearby city of Reutlingen (which used to be the city with the highest proportion of millionaires …) and was filled up again in the night.
Nothing special you might say – but this system was built around 1925, almost 100 years ago!
That’s Schwab long term thinking!

Don Kichote
July 24, 2021 3:13 pm
Reply to  wolfi7777

I say this is special. 😀

wolfi7777
July 24, 2021 9:50 am
Reply to  Winston

“blackouts and brownout” are nonsense if you’re not talking about electricity.
And what else does a nuclear power station provide?
Can you use its energy to heat your houses in Budapest?

István
István
July 24, 2021 3:07 am
Reply to  Roderick Beck

In Norway 100 % of produced electricity is from renewable energy. Electric heating of houses is very normal there and of course the number of electric cars is fast growing. All without causing any problems. Germans are following their example and closing down their coal and lignite power plants. Largest limit is right now the grid, which still is being extended. Completely besides renewable electricity Germany is pushing now green hydrogen technologies.

Nuclear energy Orbán is so keen on is only usable for the base load, it can’t be put on the grid as soon as needed. If Paks will be finished it would deliver about 90 % of Hungarian electric energy – way too much for the base load. So it would be needed to sell energy across Europe – while on very windy days Germany already paid for purchasing their wind energy…. To do so once in a while is one thing, selling the (included all costs) most expensive nuclear energy constantly results in a financial disaster!

Ferenc
July 24, 2021 4:59 am
Reply to  István

Imho Norway has strange policies regarding sustainable energy:
–electricity 100% from renewable sources
–world wide #10 in export of oil
so basically their own renewable energy is run on money from “old” oil exports

Ferenc
July 24, 2021 5:21 am
Reply to  Ferenc

In oil exports per population Norway is even 3rd worldwide [behind Kuweit and United Arab Emirates].
Basically all high positions for Norway in comparing country lists, especially its better positions compared to neighbours and EU countries, is coming from its enormous income out of its non-renewable oil exports!
It may also be one of the main reasons why it does not really want to join the EU, but is satisfied with access to the EU market through its European Economic Area (EEA) agreement.

Don Kichote
July 24, 2021 5:41 am
Reply to  Ferenc

Speaking of Norway, they are in the middle of the pack with their electricity costs …

„Hungary loses Norwegian funds as rule-of-law concerns intensify
Hungary was unable to reach a deal with Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein over how grants would be disbursed.https://www.politico.eu/article/hungary-loses-norwegian-funds-as-rule-of-law-concerns-intensify/ 😀

HMcIC
HMcIC
July 24, 2021 7:24 am
Reply to  Don Kichote

Talking of energy costs can anyone tell me why a liter of gasoline is consistently cheaper in Austria than in Hungary? Is it just the 30% Orbán rake-off or is there a less plausible reason?

Don Kichote
July 24, 2021 7:40 am
Reply to  HMcIC

In my opinion, the difference from Hungary to Austria is not so big. But from Austria to Germany it is about 30 cents per liter. In Germany there is still a CO² levy. See > The current fuel prices in Europe

István
István
July 25, 2021 1:48 am
Reply to  Ferenc

That is not really connected. Hydro energy had in Norway already a long tradition when oil was discovered, things as wind or solar energy of course were not developed to a useful level those days. And a lot of their profits from oil are since a long time ending up in a funds to avoid an economic situation as in Saudi Arabia and to be prepared for the consequences of running out of oil production. And to look at it the other way round: As soon as all countries use as little oil as Norway does production needs to be reduced to a minimum if it remains a economically sensible undertaking at all. However that a nuclear power plant is needed to produce the energy needed is proven wrong by the Norway example.

Winston
July 24, 2021 7:09 am
Reply to  István

Norway is lucky to get a lot of energy from water plants which provides continues supply as opposed to Germany who get the renewable energy mostly from wind and sun

István
István
July 25, 2021 1:54 am
Reply to  Winston

Norway has wind parks as well as Germany has hydro energy and these plants are definitely not delivering as continuously the same amount of energy as burning coal can do, this is depending on nature as wind is as well. Fact is that Germany is able to shut down nuclear and fossil power plants the same time and is still able to export energy. Norway is further than Germany, but exactly this proves the comment about constant black outs to be stupid.

Ferenc
July 24, 2021 6:48 am

This is a good one from Weber [EPP-CDU]: 
“The Pegasus Spyware case is no longer a Hungarian internal issue. It has a broader impact on a European level, the Hungarian government must be ready to allow an independent investigation […] That’s why we need clarity on these points […] people all over Europe must be sure that we respect the principles of being Europeans.”

soure: https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/talking-europe/20210723-hungary-must-allow-independent-investigation-on-pegasus-spyware-top-mep-manfred-weber
Hungarian summary at https://telex.hu/belfold/2021/07/23/magyarorszag-pegasus-botrany-manfred-weber-fuggetlen-vizsgalyat

Michael Detreköy
Michael Detreköy
July 24, 2021 8:27 am
Reply to  Ferenc

The Pegasus case will escalate as sources of access to internet based communication involving Nato, Europol and persons in high offices in Europe and the US are found to be implicated.

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Istvan (Chicago)
Istvan (Chicago)
July 24, 2021 8:44 am

This Guardian article https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/20/pegasus-project-turns-spotlight-on-spyware-firm-nso-ties-to-israeli-state discussed the fact that the Israeli firm NSO became aware that the Pegasus spyware was used by Saudi intelligence to track Jamal Khashoggi prior to his murder and dismemberment and that Israel’s national security council and prime minister’s office where aware of that in 2018. For several months following the murder the Saudi’s were cut off from using the software. Then “was allowed to begin using the spyware again in 2019 following the intervention of the Israeli government.” This article https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-was-israel-aware-of-nso-clients-surveillance-targets-1.10022647 indicates that the Israeli Parliament is trying to understand if its own intelligence agency was getting access to the information coming from Pegasus spyware. From reading independent journalists in the media there seems to be little belief that the new Prime Minister  Naftali Bennett will effectively investigate any of the questions involving these issues. In 2018, Bennett said that if he were defense minister, he would enact a “shoot to kill” policy on the border with Gaza. Asked if that would apply to children breaching the barrier, the Times of Israel reported that he replied: “They are not children — they are terrorists. We are fooling ourselves.” Bennett served in the Sayeret Matkal unit of the IDF also know as or Unit… Read more »

Michael Detreköy
Michael Detreköy
July 24, 2021 9:07 am

Perhaps there is more to the renewed Israeli worries about possible US and EU economic sanctions against Israel, after a proposed lifting of the ICC sanctions on Iran, than the usual paranoid propaganda?

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john PATTAN
john PATTAN
July 24, 2021 7:09 am

Police state!!! Shame on Orban!!!

HMcIC
HMcIC
July 24, 2021 7:35 am
Reply to  Eva S. Balogh

Brave Viktor Orban! He his the very self-same christian who gives paedophile priests within his beloved cat’lic church a free Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free card for their activities in “youth education”. Then of course he whines at the EU about double standards!

Perhaps he needs to be aware of the mote in his own eye?

Misi bacsi
Misi bacsi
July 24, 2021 1:55 pm
Reply to  Eva S. Balogh

Thanks. Orban may be backing into a corner with his “threat” regarding funds from EU. As you probably know, Gay Pride Protest/Celebration today was attended by 30,000 and a recent poll in Hungary showed that 40% plus were in favor of same sex marriage. Hopeful signs.

wolfi7777
July 24, 2021 2:49 pm
Reply to  Misi bacsi

The Austrian newspapers already report on the Gay Pride – very positively:
https://www.derstandard.at/story/2000128433269/budapest-pride-starkes-zeichen-gegen-orbans-anti-lgbtqi-gesetz

István
István
July 25, 2021 1:56 am
Reply to  Eva S. Balogh

I can’t wait for the day that the commission is begging Orbán to take the money. Joke of the day!