One of László Kövér’s favorite pastimes is to visit Hungarian areas of the neighboring countries. This August he was especially busy. On August 4, he was in Slovakia unveiling a memorial created to mark the 76th anniversary of the so-called Beneš decrees, where he referred to Slovakia as the Highlands. Slovak Foreign Minister Ivan Korčok wasn’t at all pleased. Five days later, he was in Ukraine’s Transcarpathian region to unveil a bust of Saint Stephen.
His most recent trip was to Marosvásárhely / Târgu Mureș, as the patron of the cultural festival Vásárhely Bustle, an annual tourist attraction. He gave a speech following an ecumenical church service at the Fortress Church (Vártemplom), built in the middle of the fourteenth century and remodeled in the eighteenth century. Judging from the photos taken at the occasion, it is a very impressive building.
Less impressive was Kövér’s speech, which consisted of the usual mad harangue the president of the Hungarian Parliament is known for. Practically all Hungarian media outlets published a summary of the speech, as it was related by the reporter for MTI.
Although Kövér covered several topics, the main message he wanted to drive home was the threat the autochthon European population faces as a result of “illegal migration and resettlement, in a devious way, disguised as a refugee issue.” Perfect timing while we are watching with horror what’s going on at the Kabul Airport.
What is this mysterious autochthon European population? That is, who were the original or indigenous inhabitants? Well, if we want to go all the way back, we might have to say that the first settler in Europe was Homo erectus from Africa or perhaps Homo sapiens, who settled in Europe by 40,000 BCE. But, more seriously, according to a study on the patterns of historical population movements in Europe, over 4,200 years 891 distinct ethnic units were identified. Moreover, most likely to the sorrow of László Kövér, population movements in modern times have been more frequent than earlier.
As far as the Hungarians are concerned, they were relative latecomers, arriving in the early Middle Ages, considerably later than, for example, the West Slavic ethnic groups. Given the waves of population movement over thousands of years in Europe, talking about an autochthon population is utter nonsense. What Orbán and his Fidesz paragons are really talking about is a Europe populated exclusively by Christians (and, reluctantly admitted to the fold, Jews) who are white, without a trace of black or any shade of brown. Middle Easterners and Blacks, Christians or not, have no place in Europe as far as Fidesz is concerned.
Kövér’s warning about the perils of immigration is slightly different from the thousands of similar speeches Hungarians can hear practically daily. Until now, I have not heard others, for example Viktor Orbán, claim that large numbers of immigrants will actually take over nation states so that the originally majority population will become a minority in its own country, which, by definition, will no longer be its own. The numbers, of course, don’t justify this prediction. Moreover, if being Hungarian isn’t defined by skin color or religion (admittedly, a huge leap for Fidesz) but by cultural criteria (speaking the language, becoming part of the national community, etc.), the track record of immigrants in every country belies this doomsday scenario.
Kövér didn’t exactly draw a large audience.
Kövér’s other claim is that “we are on the threshold of a ‘post-Christian’ and ‘post-national’ era [which is] defined by artificially created guilt” because “all Europeans should feel guilty about climate change, people living today should feel guilty about their ancestors, people about to have children should feel guilty about their unborn babies, white people should feel guilty about black people, men should feel guilty about women, heterosexuals should feel guilty about homosexuals, the elderly should feel guilty about the young, and Europeans should feel guilty about people on every continent of the world.” In his view, this new culture of guilt differs from the Nazi or communist ideology only in the sense that it does not label a minority with the stigma of inferiority and collective guilt. Instead, it turns everyone against everyone. By this point, Kövér’s soaring thoughts left me utterly earthbound.
Although Kövér allegedly wants to get rid of this “destructive culture of guilt,” when he was in Slovakia he said that “What was committed against the Hungarians in the Highlands between 1945 and 1947 was a sin against God and man.” And, he added, “the Hungarians could not forgive the crimes committed against them, because to this day they have not asked for forgiveness.” But “we have a moral basis to wait with gentle but steadfast patience for a gesture of apology and satisfaction for the crimes committed against Hungarians for the sake of peace for generations to come.”
Let me make myself clear on this issue. I think that the Czechoslovak government’s decision to expel all Germans and Hungarians was an unjust decision, just as was the expulsion of ordinary German peasants from Hungary after World War II. However, one cannot demand that people and countries shake off all feelings of guilt on the one hand and, on the other, require an apology and retraction from those who may have done wrong to you. But I guess for Kövér it is essential to distinguish between artificial guilt and real guilt; liberal guilt and illiberally-defined guilt.
In any event, Ivan Korčok was right. It would be a good idea to concentrate on the future. For example, to imagine a day when one doesn’t have to listen to László Kövér’s speeches.
August 29, 2021
Blog posts by Eva S. Balogh also appear in Hungarian at https://ujnepszabadsag.com/
Having been to Marosvasarhely many times, I was happy to see Kover’s “speech” playing to an empty church. The empty church is like his empty head. Since this fellow is so interested in defending “native” populations, I am sorry to inform this learned man that Homo- Neanderthals got to Hungary ahead of his possible Homo-Sapiens ancestors, but fortunately most of us carry some genes from Neanderthals. As the linguistic ancestors of todays Hungarian came late to the Carpathian Basin, I have to take this sad opportunity to remind Kover that Jews had already found their way to this piece of land since at least the Roman Empire, ahead of the ancient Hungarian tribes. And I save the “worst” for last, as Professor Balogh has commented in past, most Hungarian speakers show the closest genetic relationship with neighboring Slovaks. Not a bad thing, especially as Lajos Kossuth was of Slovak origin! Oh yes, there is still one other detail that may disturb the most brilliant mind of Kover, our first humanoid ancestors to Europe probably had very, very dark skin color.
Guess which NATO country did not sign the document?
https://www.state.gov/joint-statement-on-afghanistan-evacuation-travel-assurances/
Orban must have been instructed by his boss, Putin, not to sign.
Yes, Romania for instance signed but took in no Afghan helpers. Hungary did not sign but evacuated Hundreds of Afghans. Despite the fact that Romania had a much larger footprint there, therefore most likely made use of far more Afghan helpers as well. Hungary’s presence there was minimal for many years before this fiasco, therefore its responsibility to Afghans was also reduced. Many who worked with Hungary in past years most likely found employment with other contingents since then.
Given what we know about the status of evacuations I think Hungary did well by their Afghan collaborators that one can fairly argue that Hungary should have taken responsibility for, relative to NATO average. But hey!!! What is important is who signed and who did not!
Zoli, can you explain why O1G didn’t sign – if Hungary did so great there?
It would have taken less than a minute …
Simple! That signature might be used later to argue to push for accepting large numbers of Afghan migrant quotas.
Who says that – except the hateful mind of Zoltán the bigot multiple migrant and serial colonist and systematic liar?
“Romania for instance signed but took in no Afghan helpers”.
Denmark wanted them all (you know, “diversity is strength”) so the Romanians (reluctantly, with great regrets) yielded and shipped them to Denmark.
“Danemarca” might be on to something. Took in well-educated Afghans. Romania might end up being the dumping ground for the illiterate ones that will start arriving. I am sure Romania’s government will oblige in the name of its strategic Trans-Atlantic alliance.
As for your rape data, I am sure there are some reasonable explanations for it all. Either that or you are just a “racist” for pointing out facts that are just not very convenient.
Now the ones who will criticize you will proclaim themselves to be followers of the ideology of “facts”.
The Danes have a problem with rape offenses according to estimates there were 24,000 in 2017 of which 890 were reported 535 led to prosecutions, and 94 ended in convictions.
Denmark has about 5.9 million inhabitants according to your fake statistics that would be 25.1 times 59 because per 100000 people = 1481 Somalis in four years so 370 rapes by Somalis in one year. And that with 94 convictions and only Somalis 😀
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47470353
Óvoda did not relate to entire Danish population, but to the nationality living in Denmark. A single conviction in a group of several hundred or thousand persons results in extreme values per 100 000 inhabitants. A single case in a group of 1 400 persons results in 71 per 100 000. He wanted to present skyrocketing numbers and succeeded by picking hardly represented nationalities that had convictions. The many nationalities without convictions he left out of course.
Ovidiu did relate to anything? Funny 😀 ich glaube nicht einmal an seine Quellen aber wenn du erzählst wie er seine Quellen meint dann bin ich Beeindruckt. 😀
The source was included and is the official Danish statistic office. Should be considered trustworthy. Very accessible, easy to use, not as the KSH site. But the problem is in the presentation. So it is easy to know that for example in 2011 no Iranian has been convicted for rape in Denmark, while the graph suggests that many hundreds did.
Of course I don’t expect that the kindergarten boy is able to extract or even understand statistics. But he is able to find these things on the internet, his weird links prove that. The one who knew how to do did not include Syria of course, since there was no single Syrian during these years was convicted for rape. Just an abuse of the fact that low samples don’t allow a serious approach and reducing the nationalities to those where the numbers, regardless their meaningfulness, were sustaining the ideological claim and leaving out all the others that don’t.
I looked at the site and see what you mean.
Nice selection. 9 times a single conviction per nationality a year, several times 0 convictions a year for the named nationalities. In absolute numbers Lebanon is leading, record with 5 convictions! A single case within an extreme small group results in an extreme percentage. The larger group of Egyptians had exactly 0 convictions in all the years. Compared to that Danish men look like monsters!
Laszlo Kover was only doing his job. He is the Hungarian government’s
Trianonanist-in-Chief so he spends part of his time travelling around the neighbourhood ejaculating his petulant protests, in churches even. High time he exercised some linguistic hygiene. Unlikely, but then he runs parliament like a boot camp…
Shouldn’t Kövér (his name means obese my wife told me – fitting?) keep from talking about guilt in connection with WW2?
What about those people taken to Auschwitz by the brave Hungarians, mainly Jews of course, but others too?
And what about those wonderful houses and all the nice furnishings, clothes etc Hungarians plundered from these houses?
At least once a week we drive by the Richter Gedeon establishment and every time I have to think of how he was treated and killed – thrown into the Danube.
Has Kövér ever shown remorse about this? Maybe he owns a few shares?
A bit OT:
Has anyone seen an easily interpreted map/statistics of those “Hungarian areas” in the neighbouring countries that shows the percentage of the different ethnicities over time?
I only remember that Hungarians were a minority in Greater Hungary in the census of 1911.
When I see/hear a German complaining on a similar level about Versailles eg I immediately put him on my AFD list – Alle Faschisten Deutschlands.
@wolfi7777, 3:12 am
Well said! “Spot on” as one of our other commenters here might have said.
Köver would be in Germany for German an insult more one does not have to write about him. Oh maybe still that, the one they call the son of God was not white and he was not Hungarian.
“… for example Viktor Orbán, claim that large numbers of immigrants will actually take over nation states so that the originally majority population will become a minority in its own country, which, by definition, will no longer be its own”
He is right and in fact it is amazing how fast this happens once the gates are no longer guarded. Large scale migration in UK started only in 1997 with Tony Blair. White Britons are now a minority in London and Birmingham (2nd city), and are expected to become a minority in UK by 2060 or sooner.
The United Kingdom is on track to become the most ethnically mixed country in the Western world in fewer than 40 years….With rising immigration and declining birth rates, we are indeed witnessing a seismic shift in the ethnic and cultural makeup of many nations in the developed world. Racial and ethnic majorities are slowly transitioning toward minority-group status. In the United States, Canada, and parts of Europe, Whites may still comprise the single largest racial group, but their numbers are on the verge of shrinking below the combined populations of other ethnic groups.
https://www.psychologicalscience.org/observer/when-the-majority-becomes-the-minority
Do we speak from the British Empire that was composed of the dominions, colonies, protectorates, mandates, and other territories ruled or administered by the United Kingdom and its predecessor states?
The white are a race 😀 but only for racists who have nothing in the head. The one without brain race.
The minority of truck drivers is missing! 😀
Amazing? No, Éva just wrote about the facts. Another fact is that all those who migrated into the area of today’s Hungary after 895 were assimilated. And we should think about the fact that only a small group of nomads arrived compared to all the settlers that came after them. All Hungarians are heavily mixed, those who still know where their forefathers came from perhaps a bit less than the “original” Magyars. And the lesser mixed often speak only a single language, don’t know any other culture than the Hungarian one, not different at all from the “original” Magyars. Óvoda’s hate just tells us about his fantasy product he calls a white race. The kindergarten boy, who is considered by other racists as non-white.
Let me set aside the vile fantasies of a sickening bandit and bring a future-oriented and practical question in the discussion instead. Here is a recent summary of the population movements that were most decisive for contemporary European DNAs: https://www.pnas.org/content/117/16/8989 Clearly, the Carpathian Basin was a major thoroughfare for thousands of years and its contemporary population has very little to do with any single groups of ancestors that can be more or less legitimately identified with something like an ethnic label (though thinking of 9th century Magyars as members of a homogeneous group speaking one language, sharing a common bloodline – beyond the one connecting all of them to early humans in East Africa – and all that is also a laughable proposition). However, identities are created by political development and for a good reason: that is because of the centrality of political structures and institutions (like the kingdom of the Árpád dynasty and everything that followed) for the production of security, rule of law, wealth, culture and nearly everything that we value. So that centrality of political structures to identity gives some justification to contemporary Hungarians thinking of themselves as the children of Magor (one of the tribal leaders… Read more »
@Gabor Toka, 8:00 am
Huh? And how come Emese and the Turul didn’t get a look-in in your narrative? We’re not talking foundation myth here, dude, that was the real McCoy!
Secretary of State Blinken (March 3, 2021)
“we will renew democracy, because it’s under threat.”
https://www.state.gov/a-foreign-policy-for-the-american-people/
Renewed democracy under the friendly Taliban (August 2021):
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9-d5OZWUAcDY9N?format=jpg
So boiling down Eva’s message here, Europeans have no right to defend their distinct identities. Problem is, if we are to apply the same argument to native Americans, we should take their status away. And the rights that go with it. After all, I am sure that if we look at an ethnocultural map from perhaps 2,000 years ago, many of the current cultures like the Cree, Hopi might have not even existed. The proto-Hurons might have been found further West, and so on and so forth. What native? The refusal to admit to the fact that Europe is home to distinct native cultures is nothing less than hateful bigotry. It is demeaning, inconsiderate and arguably racist because I doubt Eva and most Marxists would go after the Tibetans in this fashion or many other cultures around the world. Therefore you all seem to think of Europeans as less than, less deserving of consideration. And yes, Europeans are gripped by a culture of self-loathing, which is what the Marxist academic elites labored to create for many decades now as a way to undermine European society, in order to destroy its unique cultural mosaic made up of distinct native cultures, in… Read more »
So boiling down Köver´s message here the deportation of half a million Hungarians by Hungarian racists to the national socialist gas chambers is not worth guilt. And you could have been unworthy of life so it is written in the book about racial hygiene.
A Hungarian government imposed on Hungarians by Germany did that. There are plenty of instances to point to where Hungary’s government till 1944 opposed such deportations. If you want to talk history, please do not distort it. There is even an episode where Hungary went to great lengths to repatriate Hungarian Jews living in the occupied Netherlands to Hungary in order to save them from being sent to extermination camps. https://www.jta.org/2018/10/18/global/dutch-jews-found-haven-anti-semitic-hungary Now to be sure, there are many instances where Hungarians were more than eager to do the job, which is shameful. I put that down to the general culture of antisemitism that was pervasive in Europe at the time. Its roots are found in the demonization of Jews as overly “privileged”, because too many of them owned a business, or were found to be among the professional elite class. It started in the 1800’s when Europeans moving to cities found a well-established community of a different ethno-cultural background that was already well-adapted to urban life because Jews were kept from land ownership and so on in the feudal period. Most Europeans found their opportunities lacking by comparison. Neo-Marxists who today talk of “white privilege” should sympathize with such notions.… Read more »
The hatred of Jews started with the Catholic Church, they have a long tradition. In Hungary there is a long tradition of blaming others, in this sense I take your contribution.
I am not denying that. But the specific hateful arguments against Jews that were prevalent at the time of the Holocaust and preceding, were mostly the ones I pointed to. The kind of arguments that Neo-Marxists of today are very familiar with since they are using those same arguments.
You mean the hateful arguments that you use.
You mean I call people “privileged” based on race? Please do tell!
Exactly!
“A Hungarian government imposed on Hungarians by Germany did that????“
Zoltán the bigot multiple migrant and serial colonist and systematic liar has no idea of history II. The Hungarian government remained the same except 3 positions in March 1944. Orbán exchanged way more than 3 ministers! Horthy agreed in deportations and a couple of months later he stopped them again, so dependent the Hungarian government was. Not to forget that Horthy already in 1941 started with deportations – and he wasn’t even asked to do so. So talking about 1944 is senseless. And after Horthy was removed anybody needed to tell a Hungarian to get rid of Jews, the masses decided that the Jewish property was way to nice to leave it to them. The only who complained was Eichmann, who was unable to transport the many Jews Hungarians brought him. Yes, the Germans were guilty, but the Hungarians were not less guilty.
The bulk of deportations happened after Horthy was deposed. Again, you try to distort, lie. So much for the facts-based ideology!
Horthy was a mass murderer, he started deportations in 1941. Period.
Hungarians handed over Jews and Eichmann complained about the high numbers. Period.
Blaming Germany for what Horthy and hundred thousand ordinary Hungarians did is distorting history. Period.
Zolidiot, more stupid lies?
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/holocaust-and-hungary-prime-minister-180964139/
Spring 1944:
Now, the Fuhrer demanded its Jews. That spring, with the Soviet army advancing on Hungary’s border, and Hungary’s own army largely destroyed at Stalingrad, Nazi troops first entered Hungary’s borders. They came without resistance. Horthy invited the Fuhrer’s troops into the country, and then verbally agreed to send what was initially 100,000 Jews to Germans for “work” in a bid to remain in power. Compounding that number, Horthy decided instead to send the workers’ families as well, ultimately sealing the fates of some 437,000 Jews.
And then:
with only some 150 Nazi Germans in charge of the deportations, it was left to officials of the Hungarian Interior Ministry, the Gendarmes and local authorities to carry out their orders. Rather than refuse to be complicit, Hungarians chose to cooperate. “The Germans pushed for concerted action against Hungarian Jewry, and Horthy not only did not resist—he put the government apparatus at their disposal. The well-oiled process of destruction of the Jews followed quickly: restrictions, wearing the Jewish badge, confiscations, the establishment of ghettos and systematic deportations,” Rozett writes.It took until July, with the Allies’ continued victories showing how the war would end, for Horthy to order a stop to the deportations and open armistice negotiations with the Soviets, says Shapiro.
Na Zoliboy, look how full of sad shame these countries in Europe are compared to Hungary and your momentary homeland Russia.
https://www.gfmag.com/global-data/non-economic-data/happiest-countries-europe
BTW how is the weather in Novosibirsk?
As always you are welcome to come over for a few days to see the happy illiberal Christian democracy in full action here.
Sad reality is that the leftist, progressive, Neo-Marxist movement tends to assume that such living standards are due to them, and their ideological dominance in the past few decades. In reality, this is the generation that is squandering 500 years of inheritance from a far more conservative past. Currently, the only thing keeping the zombified EU economy moving is the ECB infusion of energy into it. The ECB has been keeping it all afloat with negative rates for a decade now, and it will never return to normal again. When that will one day fail, the true effect of your ideological dominance will be shown to all, and none will be very happy to live it.
I hope you do not think that anyone takes this nonsense seriously.
Take it as you please!
I am afraid Zoltán the bigot multiple migrant and serial colonist and systematic liar is taking these lies for the one and only truth.
I know he does, a few years ago Zoliboy and I kind of discussed this, until that “discussion” I had never “met” someone who thinks that everyone who does not agree with him or thinks that statistics that prove him wrong is part of a worldwide conspiracy of Marxists, criminal elements, dirty liberals, and what more who want to destroy the white “race”.
Then after he said he would leave the HS after 5 mts. he was back, and Don Kichote or Bimbi immediately attended me to that fact. With a big laugh.
Zoliboys justification if he runs out of arguments is always the conspiracy and the question of who pays for the statistic or opinion. If proven wrong, like today, he doesn’t bother to react.
Must be a sad and fearful life he lives.
Unlike you, I have a life. One could spend a full 8 hour workday debunking all the BS that you are all spewing here. No one has time for that. But I guess that is the strategy here is it not?
I agree you have a life, but you must admit it is sad and fearful.
You are not debunking, you are adding more and more nonsense whenever you comment.
https://www.climatechangecommunication.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/DebunkingHandbook2020.pdf
A few days ago I asked you why the Hungarian army reduced their presence in Afghanistan according to the Hungarian government in 2014. A “wise decision” in your opinion. Never got an answer.
And the answer was in a link Prof. Balogh provided in that article.
I am sorry, but I can not take you seriously, and do not see you as a discussion partner who is open to opinions different than his own, and for who other opinions may need a thought before dismissing them as Marxist, or whatever stamps you have ready on your keyboard.
So consider my reactions to your “contributions” purely as a short-cut reaction to your nonsense.
I really appreciate other commenters here who make the effort to debunk your nonsense, I admit that I do have not enough historical knowledge to be able to do that, but on the other hand have the feeling they are feeding pearls to the pigs.
I just realized that Zoliboy is already spending 8 hours a day at least to spread his nonsense here(:
Today from August 30, 2021 8:36 am until August 30, 2021 4:21 pm
Not with debunking, however.
Well, is spreading hate the same as having a life? However, Zoltán the bigot multiple migrant and serial colonist and systematic liar declared that he has to debunk facts I listed. Of course he needs full time employment for that.
Sometimes I almost pity our trolls “zolovidiot” (that’s how I call them when reading their hateful screamings). They must be so afraid of everything they don’t understand – and there’s a lot …
Refugees, Jews, Black and other coloured people, LGBTQ, even strong women, heretics and Marxists …
And they are so afraid of them all taking over power!
They obviously often think about the good ol’ times of Horthy (or even the catholics 500 years ago) when you could kill all those people or at least chase them out of their own “white country”.
PS:
The fun part here is that a real German fascist eg would not even accept them as white ie Aryan, considering where they’re from …
Zoltán the bigot multiple migrant and serial colonist and systematic liar has no idea of history. If we compare how America was conquered to refugees arriving in Europe in the 21st century we shouldn’t forget that refugees don’t come with tanks accompanied by pursuit planes. The Spanish arrived with the most modern war machinery of their times. Since last weekend all Hungary knows how great our airforce is, everybody was invited for an inspection. Montezuma or Atahuallpa might have had more men, but way less techniques. Not to talk about the infections brought by Europeans and killed way more than every weapon. Again something where Europeans have more means against than refugees, let alone the indigenous Americans. Zoltán the bigot multiple migrant and serial colonist and systematic liar is not comparing apples with oranges, but apples with an airplane.
Do you need tanks to displace a shrinking native population? Demographic data says otherwise.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_London
So in London as of 2011 census 45% were Native Brits. Now Europeans overall still had a majority at almost 60%. I doubt that is still the case today.
Where did you come up with the theory that Natives can only be displaced through force?
“if we are to apply the same argument to native Americans”
Who started with comparing to native Americans? So I pointed out the facts why they are the minority. For a small extent to violence, much more by diseases, brought there without intention. In Africa this did not happen, the violence was the same, just that the native people weren’t killed by European germs (if the Europeans died.)
Distorting is the attempt to declare refugees to be the reason why population is not unchangeable. Johnson and his Brexit accomplices told the British that Hungarians and Poles are their end, that more immigration from the commonwealth is needed.
This article appeared today in Magyar Nemzet https://magyarnemzet.hu/ahelyzet/2021/08/bolsevik-szalonna-1 the long and short of that article is Ferenc Gyurcsány is preparing a coup of sorts if the joint opposition does not win. The article provides no proof what so ever that is the case.
Here is an example of the argument: “The elections are due next April, and according to surveys, the left is not winning at the moment, but the Gyurcsánys are already preparing for power. We know the tools, we have a wealth of experience in the interpretation and practice of the “democratic left” rule of law. Beating blood of protesters, shot dead, static sentences, prison, data collection against opposition politicians by secret service – to name just the most serious methods of “democratic rule of law”.
In fact it is much more likely the exact opposite of this article, historic Stalinist Hungarian security operatives who transitioned their loyalty eventually to Fidesz and its great leader are setting the groundwork for their own coup if they fail to win the election and this article is part of the active measures needed to set the stage for such a development. Of course the article begins with the picture below.
Actually we did see this movie recently, where Ukraine’s democratically elected government was deposed by the Maidan coup. It would not surprise me if a Fidesz win will generate a similar move by US, EU elites, where opposition forces will be used to produce a change on the streets, that failed at the ballot. Perhaps it will start with Nicky Nuland showing up in Budapest with a box of cookies?
Of course, Orban and his intelligence people (fed by Orban to the tune of tens of billions of forints through shady and less shady deals) won’t just sit around and wait. They will of course influence the events, naturally, that’s their job.
Magyar Nemzet is (just like Demokrata, Figyelő, Pesti Srácok etc.) is an outlet which various factions of Hungarian intelligence regularly uses (mind you Népszabadsag had its fair share of intelligence operators too) to create the necessary narrative.
As always with fideszniks (see with Zoli) the narrative is about the “Americans” (CIA/Jews).
Victoria Nuland is of course a Republican, was Dick Chaney’s personal advisor for years (and Robert Kagan’s wife) but it doesn’t matter. They are “the Americans” and such will always be just “Jews” (repulsive foreign intruders scheming against indigenous Hungarians).
The bogeyman for fideszniks (ie. pro-Russian operators) like Zoli is always, always the US. According to fideszniks (including my relatives) the “Americans” are way more dangerous than the Russians, no question.
“Victoria Nuland is of course a Republican, was Dick Chaney’s personal advisor for years (and Robert Kagan’s wife) but it doesn’t matter.”
In fact, it does not matter all that much. President Clinton supported regime change through color revolutions and other means, Bush through invasions, then Obama through Arab Spring, Maidan. The common denominator has been US support for regime change, including regime change against democratically elected governments, such as in Ukraine, regardless of D or R. Policies that led to millions of deaths, tens of millions displaced, much global destabilization. Much human misery all around the world.
As vor Vicky? She was H Clinton’s Protege and served in the Obama administration when she took her cookies to Kiev.
Great powers do these kind of things that Zoli depicts, Zoli’s great problem is generally the Russian plays in the great game are rarely ever discussed by Zoli. The Chinese also do great power gambits, in fact the Vietnamese are so threatened yet again that they are seeking constantly additional military armaments from the Biden administration (see https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/vietnams-request-for-third-ex-uscg-cutter-receives-support-of-biden-administration). The Chinese are also threatening Taiwan (along with its microchip industry critical to US advance weapons systems) and the US is providing even more weapons to the island nation (https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/04/politics/biden-administration-taiwan-arms-sales/index.html)
Because I am reasonably fluent in Vietnamese even at my older age I could be hired by one of many companies in the armament industry right now to help with sales to Vietnam, I have many friends in the Vietnamese community with military backgrounds here in Chicago who are in fact doing that. The world is not a simple place Zoli, as the very wise von Clausewitz wrote long ago “War is a mere continuation of policy by other means.” That applies to Russia and China too.
Never said its unique. Just pointing out recent historical facts that many try to deny.
I do think that the world will miss Pax-Americana once it will be gone and I do think it will be gone or at least diminished by the end of this decade, with Chinese hegemony on the march.
Although the episodes of the last few decades, with fiasco after fiasco, resulting not only in the steady erosion of Pax Americana but also much human misery created on the path of semi-good intentions will be less missed.
It is an interesting tidbit about László Kövér that he was the vice president of MISZOT (National Council of Hungarian Youth Organizations) in 1988 – together with two other vice presidents: Ferenc Gyurcsany and Ferenc Langmár. (There was no president, as those powers were assigned to a presidium type collective body.)
Of course the Afghanistan situation is as crazy as ever with multiple rockets fired at the airport and incepted. As I expected based on text messages and emails from US forces at the airport in Kabul it is highly possible that numerous Afghan civilians were killed by gun fire coming from US forces who rushed to the barricades following the bomb attack. In the UK this article has appeared https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9938569/British-Afghan-shot-dead-troops-opened-fire-panic-ISIS-suicide-bomb.html .I do not agree that the shooting was a panicky response to the bomb attack, rather there were ISIS fighters in the crowds below the US forces who immediately opened up on US forces with automatic rifle fire. My own daughter indicated that those forces under her command shot at people with weapons following the bombing who were shooting into the airport. Other retired officers and NCOs with children serving at the airport also posted on closed blogs similar short accounts. I have every reason to believe numerous Taliban in the crowd also armed were shot down by US forces along with ISIS shooters, at this point the only official comment on this is that there were multiple ISIS shooters in the crowd. The US based media have seen these… Read more »
What would have happened if you didn’t do what you did?
Only you and who was there with you in that situation can tell if it could have been different.
Nobody in my family was in the military, but both my brother and I served in the airforce.
So, please feel no guilt! Everybody makes their own decisions in life.
Your daughter sounds very sensible in all what you tell about her. Hopefully she and her collegues get sufficient psychological assistence. All best wishes to her! And a big thank you to all of them!
“So, please feel no guilt! Everybody makes their own decisions in life.”
And please include all the Nazis in the prayer in the world they have made their decision.
And because I cannot or will not kill a human being, I have refused. I have never seen why I should be a servant to a stupid politician who thought he had to show it to others. But I have already told this to Istvan.
Rightly he allows such thoughts it has a kind of wisdom.
We would have been fluent in Russian here in Europe, if we would not have armed ourselves in the cold war.
Most military people are committed to peace. Knowing, that civilised behavior is only a small upper layer of most humans.
All military personnel are beholden to their superiors, even those like Bush and Trump; there are and have been worse. It is worth thinking about.
Ofcourse, because otherwise the military could not work. And if you don’t agree with the commander in chief, you resign.
We are all different, that’s a good thing.
If I did not use artillery on a command compound in the middle of Panama City, literally firing in the street maybe 200 yards away, the Panamanian defense force soldiers would have not have surrendered and would have required a direct assault by infantry and the planting of explosives by rangers. Many more combatants would have died, but inevitably firing a 105 mm howitzer on a residential street with 30 and 50 caliber machine guns blasting the bunker with what is called “suppression fire” some civilians were caught up in the blow back from the shells which were designed to penetrate the hardened bunker and the heavy machine gun fire.
It would have been ever more dangerous for an air strike in such tight quarters. None of that really makes it all easier to be honest. I am also guessing the drone controllers who it appears killed 10 civilians when they hit the ISIS fighters yesterday are not feeling too great either.
My daughter had her hearing checked by the Army medical teams stateside and currently she has lost probably 40% of her hearing in her right ear and about 20% in her left ear. The Army doctor that examined her indicated that her hearing would return to normal in about one month. She was placed on medical leave from the US Army reserves for 6 months and has to go in for regular hearing exams. But she still has to produce an after action report for the Army.
She is applying at the University where she is a professor for a paid medical leave for 6 months based on the current laws protecting US Army reservists injured in the line of duty from any job actions by employers. She says she feels exhausted right now and is sleeping excessively. Her boyfriend is staying with her watching over her.
Istvan congratulations to you and to her for at least having no permanent damage – besides of course the psychic load that probably isn’t easy to manage as your story tells us.
You’ve been through incredible situations István!
Hope your daughter’s hearing improves fast and she recoveres soon from all that trauma she’s been through!
This is really funny, you think you like especially this kind of tejfől, and today you discover it is the same stuff as the brand you absolutely do not like.
https://444.hu/2021/08/30/az-alfoldi-tej-kft-altal-gyartott-tejfoloket-hivnak-vissza-mikrobiologiai-szennyezettseg-miatt
Even more OT:
My wife says that most of the tejföl/sourcream/Sauerrahm/Creme Fraiche sold in Hungary is just water and milk powder – especially that with 12% fat!
We used to bring lots of sour cream with 32% fat from Germany (also good cheese and Irish butter) – you couldn’t get this in regular shops in Hungary or it’s extremely expensive.
But some time ago Lidl introduced a new brand “Hazánk” and they have very good products like milk with 3.6% and tejföl with 25% fat etc – really nice and tasty!
US withdrew its last troops from the Kabul airport an hour ago. Taliban took it over. US military commander was complimentary to Taliban.
At the same time, Taliban started its assault against the only unconquered part of Afghanistan, the Panj-Shir valley,
where the caretaker president of the Afghan Republic fled.
The resistance cannot count on the support of the US, NATO, China or Russia. They are completely alone.
Taliban have captured 358,000 submachine guns, 64,000 machine guns, 42.000 SUVs, 22,000 Humvees, 65 airplanes, 66 helicopters.
https://www.portfolio.hu/global/20210830/itt-a-teljes-lista-elkepeszto-mennyisegu-fegyvert-kaparintottak-meg-a-talibok-498296
The Hungarian “Election Commission” (NVB), where the Orban regime has an automatic majority, permitted 2 referendum questions posed by mayor Karacsony to go ahead.
This means that Orban is willing to change his mind about these issues:
#1 Fudan university
#2: restoring the length of the unemployed benefits to 9 months from the current 3 months.
At the same time, the Commission did not permit referendums on
#1 Hungary joining the European anti-corruption prosecution
#2 the government giving away the toll roads for 35 years.
Remark:
Opposition figures have not been allowed to hold a single referendum since Orban’s takeover in 2010.
https://444.hu/2021/08/30/atengedte-a-fudan-nepszavazast-az-nvb
This is exactly what I thought, the Viktor gave an order to cover his defeats by his classical darling the referendum.
The good side of this is, that the Chinese university may be a thing of the past.
Just like Jon, this was my tip. That’s why I said that the Fudan University project is down the drain. I wrote about that in my post on chirping of the sparrows.
I enjoyed and applauded the closing remark about ” a day when one doesn’t have to listen to László Kövér’s speeches.” Kövér’s bone head is apparently also kövér. Insulting other nationalities is apparently a well-fattened specialty of his.